The Battle for Heaven and Earth

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Now, live from the Truth Booth, your host, Robbie Dilmore. Have fun today. We're going to go on a battle, a battle for heaven and earth. It's a story of scripture novel written by Mark Yarborough and Jerry Jenkins, and so we're so blessed to have you guys both on with us to day. And so I'll let you start out, Mark.

Tell us about your project. You betcha. It's been a fun project, obviously. It is biblical fiction. And so we're following a biblical storyline that We believe covers kind of pre-creation, where the Bible gives us insight into the fall of Satan, this heavenly battle, and then Genesis 1:2 and 3.

So it covers the rebellion, then the creation, and then the fall. And it ends with Genesis 3, where Adam and Eve are. Kicked out of the garden because of the consequence of sin.

So that's what our storyline is. That's amazing. I'm very excited because there's so much in that, in the idea of the larger story, and a lot of folks. Take this. Uh You know, Genesis 1.1 is being the beginning of the story, but actually in in John 1.1 it it says in the beginning was the word.

In other words, there's a fellowship before God started creating the heaven and the earth. And it sounds like you guys jumped into that aspect if you said. Prior to Genesis 1, right? Yeah, that's what intrigued me about the idea. This was Mark's idea, and of course, he's a theologian and scholar, which I'm not, but I love telling stories.

And so just realizing that I hadn't seen anything. I mean, you see a few novels about angels and that type of thing. But we often look at angels as our guardian angels, which I know is true. But sometimes people, I think, romanticize and say that our dead loved ones who've gone on before are now looking down on us and they're our angels. The fact is the Bible is pretty clear about what angels are, what they do, and what happened.

And Mark was saying, let's put this in fiction form and imagine what things would have been like. in eternity past so that really attracted me that's why i'm involved in the project All right, it's so cool and so clear, right? Ephesians 6: our battle isn't against flesh and blood, but spiritual forces. In high places.

So you you're you're right on. But I mean, everybody listens is they gotta have the same question I do, Jerry. Jerry Jenkins, are you related in any way, shape, or form? There's pretty famous Jenkins that are writers. Yeah, I um I know a guy.

Dallas Jenkins used to be known as Jerry Jenkins' son, but I'm now known as Dallas Jenkins' father. And in fact, we just returned from a week on the set. They just wrapped shooting for the entire series of The Chosen. And you can imagine how proud we were to just see him in his element and doing his thing. And my wife and I watch him work and wonder if he was raised by wolves.

We don't remember. And so for those who don't know, Jerry wrote the Left Behind series. Right. Am I correct? And it's a good thing.

Go ahead. And yeah, that phenomenon kind of hit our family back when I was in my mid-forties. And that's many years ago. But Dallas's phenomenon with the Chosen hit him in his mid-forties.

So there's a lot we can share there. And I think he learned a few things from what I went through. But it's been fun to watch this phenomenon. Yeah. It is kind of funny on all sorts of levels from my standpoint that.

Of course, left behind is, like you said, eternity future. And here comes this book: it's eternity past. And you know, the very first time I worked with Dallas, he and again, he may have done a lot of movies before this, but he he did um a movie called What If before long before The Chosen came out. Yeah, that was sort of another look, almost like a Christian view of It's a Wonderful Life. Right.

It was one of those. Yeah. Yeah, it's it was one of it still is one of my favorite movies, I can just tell you, as are all the Left Behind series. And so, you know, when I saw you guys. Had this book.

I mean, what a project. I mean, how amazing that. you know. You guys got a chance to work together. How in the world do you approach a Jerry Jenkins with your story idea?

I'm just wondering.

Well, it's uh it's it's funny you should ask that,'cause there's always a back story to everything. And uh we had a common friend that uh Introduced us to one another, and we do something called the story of scripture. This is a story of scripture novel. And it's where I'm real privileged to help people understand the grand arc of the Bible, the grand narrative of the Bible that starts in Genesis and ends in Revelation. And we do that around the country and around the world.

And so Jerry came and attended one of those conferences. We call it a story of scripture experience, and that started a. A dialogue and a relationship. And in essence, we started talking about a whole lot of material that's coming out of the Story of Scripture initiative. And he, in essence, asked, What are you going to do with that?

And I said, Well, I've dreamed about writing a novel series, but I've never written a novel. I've written other books, but I've not stepped into that genre. And we started talking, and he was gracious to say, Hey, how can I help you, you know, move this on and to consult with you on it? And so that went on for a couple of weeks. Finally, I hem hauled around and I said, You know, what if we wrote this together?

And I think he said something like, Well, it took you long enough to ask. I was scared to death. You know, I was like, This is Jerry Jenkins, he's a master writer, and I'm a rookie in a novel area. And so he, well, he rolled the dice. He still may be regretting it.

I absolutely love it. I do. And you know, that's the beauty of Really, what the Left Behind series is, and now what we have here. 'Kay. Is it it whets our appetite to dig deeper into the scripture themselves to say, wow, what what does the Bible say about Satan's fall?

How can we put this into perspective in Genesis one and two? Um And some of those things that were clear That again is fascinating that there's so much Jewish history. on that whole story. Did you guys dig into any of that? Yes, we jumped into LBC, you got to make some decisions, and look, this there's a mystery to all of this, and we want to acknowledge that.

we believe that, you know, curiosity Often opens a door, right? And that's what we're really praying for. Our greatest prayer is that this is going to send people back to the book, right? To God's word. But But you know, narrative literature, which is a huge portion of how God chose to reveal his written word to us, it asks us to narrative literature, it asks the reader, the hearer, to step into the scenario and imagine what it must have been like.

I mean, pastors for, you know, since the beginning of the church have done that and said, can you imagine what it was like getting into the boat with Jesus and getting out into the Sea of Galilee? It's what we do. We try to help people visualize the text. And that's what narrative literature asks us to do.

So, yeah, we had to make some decisions because obviously the Bible doesn't give us all of the details, but it gives us enough to. Wonder and to pique our interest of what it was like.

So, one of the decisions that we made, and this does go back to Jewish history. I mean, there's, you know, it's when was the angelic world created? I mean, you've got to make some calls there. It's not mentioned in Genesis chapter 1. A fascinating verse in the book of Job talks about the fact that the angels.

Marveled and rejoiced at creation, so they were there certainly by then. We took it that in Genesis chapter 3, when the serpent, who is clearly Satan, Shows up on the scene, he knows this backstory in the language that is used in tempting Eve and ultimately Adam. And so there seems to be a backstory.

So the further you go in scripture in Isaiah chapter 14, Ezekiel chapter 28, it seems to insinuate that this happened before creation. Oh, I hate to go to the story. This is such an invitation into so many different things I'm dying to talk to you guys about. Plus, we get to play shenanigans, which you haven't been on my show before, but we always got to involve the listeners an opportunity to. call in and win and so we're going to be right back with a whole lot more Kingdom Pursuit.

You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom so fun today. We have Mark Yarborough and Jerry Jenkins with their book, The Battle for Heaven and Earth. The battle for heaven and earth, probably a better way to say that, a story of scripture novel. And so, man, you guys are so tempted.

I've got so much I want to ask you, but I see my producer's. Oh, there he is. And so. Apparently, he's got something else going on, so we'll just get into the question I wanted to ask you.

So. Oh, he's back and he's gonna play shenanigans.

So. Alright.

So, we got to ask a few questions, see if you guys can answer before we give the audience a chance to call in and win. I apologize for the clunky opening there, Mark and Jerry. But if you guys have answers, these are very much dad riddles, and they have to do with battle since that's the subject of today's show.

So. And my producer, Nick, is very good at this.

So, what do you call a battle where the only weapons are truck horns? What do you call a battle where the only weapons are truck horns? You got any ideas? You guys are quite good. That sounds like a granddad joke, and I have no idea.

I don't either. It's a fight to the death. Fight to the D-E-A-F-D F. All right, so. All right, well, my producer apparently is.

He might be back. He's coming and going. Anyway. Here's really one of my favorite on the list today is why do Norwegian battleships have a barcode on the side? What do you think, Nick?

Why do a Norwegian battleship have a barcode on the side? He is popping in and out.

So. You're gonna love this.

So when they get back to port, They can scan the Navy Inn. Oh my god. Mm-hmm.

Well, pharmaceutical producer, I'd be leaving too. Yeah, he's he's he's obviously dealing with some crisis'cause he's he's coming in and out. But anyway, Scandinavian.

So, uh, you know, speaking of those southern Norwegian sailors, where does southern Norwegian sailors go when they die? Shm. I'll just tell you. Y'all hollin'. Y'all hauling.

Anyway. These actually may be great granddad jokes. I'm not positive. They're not that great, but they are grand jokes. And the last one, before we give the listeners a chance, is why did the African band wind The Battle of the Bands.

Why did the Afghan band win the Battle of the Bands? They were Moroccan. They were Moroccan. And so you knew at the end of those shenanigans. We would have a chance for the listeners to call in and win, right?

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in the garden, right? And here's these famous words that I have studied I love Hebrew, and so I've studied in Hebrew, and studied it, and studied it, trying to grasp. Because Kind of what he says, you know, it's translated in English, you will surely die. Right? Mm-hmm.

But what it actually says is Death, death. Right. It it it repeats the word death. Which Of course, would certainly in Hebrew normally mean that you're emphasizing something.

So you could say, you know, you're going to really, really, really die, or you're going to die the death, as the you know, Pilgrim's Progress would put it. You're going to die the death. But The interesting thing Of course, Jews translate this completely differently with the question of well why didn't Adam die when he ate the fruit? And then Well, a lot of people say, Well, he was separated from God.

Well, It won't be long, and he'll be talking to God.

So he wasn't completely separated from God. And so, how does that connect to this idea? of death. And so I'm I'm curious if you guys dug into that one. We didn't really dive deep into that one.

I would argue that, that is part of what is answered after this account. In other words, by God's grace, we're going to write other novels where we will carry this series out. And part of the emphasis, and by the time you get to chapter four, so they're removed from the garden, right? And then the very next episode you get is Cain kills Abel. Right.

And then in Genesis chapter 5, as Rabbinic Heritage frequently referenced this, it was a genealogy of death. Everybody lives and everybody dies. That's Genesis chapter five. It gives these. very ten distinct moves of these the line of Adam that follows the line of Seth in particular.

And as everybody lives and everybody dies, they die, they die, they die. It's a genealogy of death. And so I'm going to argue that death is coming into the scene there. And so going all the way back, when God says the day you eat of it, you're going to die, it's going to bring something into the human heritage That is the consequence of sin. And that's the lie that the serpent says, right?

So, in your understanding there of what you're saying, there, you're not, you're the NIV phrases it, a lot of English versions do, right? You're certainly not going to die. That it is, you know, there's where the lie comes in. You know, there's part of it, the part of the serpent's words are true, but in that context, he's saying, Oh, yeah, the the Death isn't really going to come. And the reality is: chapter four, chapter five, it comes.

That's beautiful. I love that. That is really well said. I'm fascinated by that.

So, in your novel, when you enter into that part of the story. Where did you go?

Well, Jerry, you want to talk about really how we kind of started describing what happens after sin and even the physical ramifications of Adam and Eve. You want to make reference to how we tried to write that up? Yeah, once it it happens, they know immediately that they've failed and they feel their shame uh in their nakedness, which is, you know, bizarre because they felt nothing like that before. And um You know, I I think and and then of course they blame each other. Eve blames Adam and blames God.

You know, you're the man that you and Adam does the same thing: the woman that you gave me. He's blaming her and he's blaming God himself. That sounds remarkably close to home with how we deal with our own sins. We're always pointing at the other person and deciding it's their their fault. But we had a lot of I hate to use the word fun in a context like this because it was so dark at that point.

So many things happen all at once as soon as that they they've both partaken of the forbidden fruit. You know, everything has changed. And you know, we try to tell this story from the perspective Of Michael the archangel and Gabriel and one of their friends.

So they're viewing this, they're seeing this. And with all the questions they have for God, You knew this was coming. You planned this. Or and you allowed this, why would you do that? We want readers to be able to identify.

with those characters because they're asking the same questions we all ask. Yeah, like Robinson Caruso's Friday, right? Why God no kill devil? I love that. I absolutely, and what a beautiful scene, right?

And, and, I I would totally imagine. That The archangels would have that discussion, and the angels. And so you had said earlier that. Um You guys kind of fill in the gap.

Okay. And I often wondered myself, Because it says, and obviously Genesis 1:1, that God created the heavens and the earth. And so when he created the heavens, you know, you might make say, okay, well, at that point in time, he did the angels, etc., etc. Would you go would you follow that or w did you go before that and say it actually happened before it even started? We we went with that.

Go ahead, Gary. Yeah, I was going to say, you know, what what I got from Mark's sequence was the creation of the angels in eternity past. And Yeah. And they went, you know, of course, there's a different economy of time in heaven. to God, everything is happening all at the same time.

To us finite beings, we have to kind of think of when did this start and where is it going and when will it end? and that type of thing. And but the angels had seemed to have existed for eons Before Lucifer decides that he wants the praise that goes to God. He wants the worship, he wants to be God. And um Yeah, that's fascinating.

Yeah, that music tells me we've got to go to a break. And so you can see this is going to be a great conversation. With again, the book is The Battle for Heaven and Earth. You can go to Kingdom Pursuits and see it there. Get it on Amazon.

They got a wonderful website too, The Battle for Heaven and Earth. Again, we'll be right back with a whole lot more Kingdom Pursuits. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion. and uses it to build the kingdom and I I gotta tell you this These guests I have today, so exciting.

Their book is The Battle for Heaven and Earth, a story of scriptural novel. And it's by Mark Yarborough and Jerry Jenkins. And I was thinking about this: that here you have one man that has this unbelievable passion for story, but you know, stories of the Bible. Jerry Jenkins wrote the Left Behind series, how amazing God gifted him to write stories like that. But then, on the other hand, we have Mark Yarborough.

the phenomenal theologian and with the with the With a heart and a and a passion for the Word of God. And so I was thinking, you know, as fun as it is, Mark, that you got Jerry to be on your side, I bet, Jerry, was it fun that, like, To start writing this story, and you got this unbelievable theologian just to throw the stuff by. Like, what do you think about that? And actually Have somebody with his insight to help you with your story? Yeah, I feel like it gives me borrowed credentials.

As I mentioned, I've never been mistaken for a theologian or a scholar, but I feel like I've been to the Yarlborough Seminary over the last more than a year. And I do find it fascinating. I mean, this whole story of uh realizing that angels were created with free will. They had to be because Lucifer chose pride and chose, you know, wanting to be God. And And uh and as I'm trying to to write this and and working with Mark and getting the theological part of it, I'm realizing I can identify, and that's a scary thing, I can identify with Lucifer because I've caught myself saying in the past Now if I were God, I would have done it this way.

And what is that besides pride in thinking I should be the one the one in charge? Um but as I mentioned, the the ancients weren't eons. Where everything was wonderful and happy and bright in heaven. And then. Lucifer Collins and and And the other angels are saying.

Where did this come from? What is sin? What is pride? It's the very things that we ask in our everyday lives. And it yeah, unfortunately, we we see the result of in so many different ways.

And so You know, I d I I'd love that.

So As you you know, we're and again, I don't want to ruin the the book for anybody because novels obviously have an ending. But what were you guys hoping the end game would be for the reader to an extent? What were you hoping the result of them having experienced this novel? I think we'd hope that, number one, they'd get back to God's word. That they're going to re-wrestle with the text, read it over and over again, and imagine.

What it must have been like. I think that we hoped that they would wrestle with the sovereignty of God. You know, that issue shows up. and all over the place and Genesis 1, 2, and 3, and how we cover that in the novel. And, you know, when you see God's greatness, evil shrinks to its proper size.

And even though there is a challenge for authority that clearly takes place That God never loses control even when creation rebels. And so it surfaces all of these Huge biblical theological themes that we hope that readers are going to go back and And wrestle with. And we want to push those forward in the novel. And hope that they stumble onto them and it makes people ponder. That's what a good read should do.

And so, Jerry, as you were writing this and Uh you know, I Often you know, when you start a project like this, You have some sense of what it's going to be, whatever. But God comes along and just surprises you, just kind of like takes your breath. Like, I did not see that coming. Um, did you have that kind of experience somewhere in this process? Yes, I tend to write as a process of discovery.

In the writing world, we refer to some novelists as outliners and some as pants. We write by the seat of our pants. Yeah. Uh even even Steve Even Stephen King says, you know, you should you should put interesting characters in difficult situations and write to find out what happens. I've had people ask me, why did you kill off my favorite character?

And I can say, I didn't kill him off, I found him dead, and I was surprised to do that. And so, if it's not predictable to me, it's not predictable to the reader.

Now, in this case, Um the you know, the rough graph, the sequence, the story comes from Mark.

So we know where we're going, we know where this thing's gonna gonna end. But along the way, you invent characters and you invent dialogue. And some people, there's a criticism. People say, Why would you want to fictionalize the Bible? We we believe the Bible is true and is the word of God and is inerrant.

and doesn't need any help. Pastors do this every week. When we sit under our pastor, they're saying, imagine yourself with Jesus. Imagine how would you have felt if you heard him say this or if you saw him do that. We're doing the same thing now with Old Testament, with eternity past, and just saying.

If you were an angel and one of your friends was Michael or Gabriel, And they're asking this question, how would you feel?

So that's why we want readers to identify with these characters and say, and they'll give us the literary license to say there might be something in scripture that's only two or three verses long. And we want to say, look, let's worry about what could have happened to lead up to this. And that forces people to their Bible to say, Where did they get this idea? How much of this is actually in scripture and how much are they just imagining? And our goal is to be absolutely true to the scripture.

So that's. That's the end game for us. That's absolutely beautiful. That is so cool. And, Mark, you had said previously, and I think it's so true, that one of the.

ideas is To bring out the grand narrative, the larger story that a lot of us, especially me, unfortunately. At times, live in this little bitty story that, you know, this guy just cut me off in traffic, and this is a big deal. Versus this like huge story where God is trying to accomplish, you know, things and He's given us a chance as junior partners to do stuff with Him. And so this is a larger story project, right? That's the.

really what you were helping people see that there's so much more going on there's than than we have any idea of. Oh, yes. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't end with Genesis 3. In fact, that's where we wrestled with how far to go in this first novel.

And somebody joked with me the other day. I was on a show and they were like, well, you made it to chapter three. Are there going to be like 9,000 volumes in this series? And it's a big Bible out there. But it sets the scene of how to frame the grand narrative of the Bible, and that's a beneficial thing, and it's good for any of us.

certainly as believers to see that we are All in God's grand narrative. And this is our story. I mean, Genesis 3 tells us why we are the way we are. Why it's uh it's This world is broken, and Paul says that all creation is groaning, waiting for the day of redemption. In the book of Romans, he says that.

And so it's good for us to even see that in Genesis chapter 3. In humanity's worst moment, there's hope. God was already on the move. If we can steal from C. S.

Lewis, Aslan was on the move already. And it is it's a great thing for us to begin to see and wrestle with the grand narrative of the Bible. Yeah, absolutely,'cause Genesis chapter three, you know, clearly has this picture and I and I love the saying Um that no matter where you cut the Bible it bleeds. Yeah. Genesis chapter 3 certainly jumps out at you, right?

as you say, the here's the the hope of everything is that, you know, he's gonna crush his head. Yeah, that's it. challenge, especially of fiction, is you know, you you want to tell the truth and you want to In this story, it ends on a dark note of them being cast out of the garden. And yet, we want readers to feel hope. Our world view is hope.

We don't believe in sad endings, and so at the very end of this novel. we you know, God is basically saying it's not over.

Someone's coming. And we all know who that is, and that's the hope. All right, well, we got one more segment. How exciting! Again, the book is The Battle for Heaven and Earth, a Story of Scripture novel by Mark Yarborough and Jerry Jenkins.

And you can go find it at Kenya Pursuits, or you can go to their website, The Battle for Heaven and Earth, a story of Scripture novel. Or, again, just go to Amazon, easy enough. We'll be right back with one more segment. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion, uses it to build the kingdom.

Again, so fun today. Mark Yarlborough, Jerry Jenkins with the battle. For heaven and earth, a story of scripture novel. We've been talking about that this hour, and so. I'll ask the same question to both you guys here.

This segment is kind of short. It's only about six or seven minutes. But Mark, was there something when you... Knew you were going to do this show, or you've done apparently a lot of shows recently, that you wanted to get said that you haven't had a chance to say. Wow, thank you for that question.

Yeah, open question here. Yeah, I would say God's word is so good. You know? And the mystery of the text, God apparently wants us to understand enough and to marvel at what we don't understand. To to see him for who he is.

Um You know, the this story of creation is ultimately the story of the creator. And this is our story under his authority. that you know the battle between heaven and earth is real, but the outcome is never in doubt. And when we begin to see that thread that starts early on that moves forward, we see the greatness of God.

So yes, I pray that readers, students of the word, Theologians that wrestle with these things, all of us together, that we are going to once again, all over again, see the greatness of God. And be motivated because of that to trust him more. Isn't that cool? Because, you know, again, it's just to praise him and marvel. And he loves that.

Yeah. Right? I mean, there's no way we can understand. Really? And so it's pretty cool to marvel.

And by putting it in story form, that's the way you can do that.

So, Jerry, same question. You know, Robbie, this may sound like a strange answer to that question, but It strikes me that A lot of times You know lay people wonder how people get together to do projects like this. And I think it's important that we say You know, we're nobody special. Yes, we may be visible. I've had some success in the writing field.

Mark is president of a great seminary. Um but we're just sinners saved by grace. And if there's something we have in common, I mean, he's more than 20 years younger than I am, but it strikes me that what we know about each other's history, we were both raised well. We were raised by people who were consistent in their faith, consistent in their church attendance, their study of scripture. the worship of God.

They weren't one way on Sunday and a different way during the week. And I think that comes together for a certain kind of chemistry that works.

So if there's any encouragement to listeners. You know, be consistent in your spiritual disciplines in front of your kids. and and see what happens. Yeah, that's it's it's uh Uh A never-ending quest is how do we abide, right? How do we get there and and mingle and and and and and you know, just spend time with the Lord to where we Aren't caught without him.

You know, like that's that's a that's a that's a gift, Jerry. And I am so grateful. For your ministry, but also for what your son has brought. Um you know, to the world as well. Like, man.

I mean, how neat. Oh. What it says in 1 John, where it says That you know, we experienced it, but now we want to share it with you so you can make our joy complete watching you experience it, right? Like, and so I. How how much fun was it as a dad to see your son?

um have that kind of success. Yeah, it's off the charts. I mean, you know, I've had people say, does it bother you that the chosen is bigger than left behind? And I'm like, bother me. I couldn't be happier.

I mean, this is the best. And you want to see your kids succeed. You want to see them do better than you did. But just we've got three grown sons. They all love the Lord.

And nothing could make us happier or more proud than that. It's so beautiful. It's so beautiful. I wish I had more time with you guys. I really do.

I've got questions. I'm so thankful for the way that God gifted you and these opportunities that you've had. Again, for our listeners, the book is The Battle for Heaven and Earth, a Story of Scripture novel. Again, they've got a beautiful website with all sorts of resources there. And again, from what you were saying, Mark, there's more story of scripture novels, right?

Well, that is what our prayer is. Obviously, it's If this resonates with an audience, you know how that goes. If people are fascinated with how to step into the world of the Bibles and we pray that there's going to be other novels to come, that's certainly our plan. There's a whole ecosystem that's going to go with this. You're mentioning it on our website, the battleforheaven and earthbook.com.

And there's teaching videos of Jerry and I teaching. We dive into the biblical text. We did a bunch of video recordings. There's going to be a soundtrack that is released of the novel. In the novel, there are 10 songs.

I mean, you step into the heavenlies, and the angels are worshiping God around the throne. And so songs have been written. We called in a lot of our artist friends. Hate this. Shows over the music saying that.

But guys, thank you so much. God bless you. Again, about the battle for heavenandearth.com. You can go there, find out all about it. God bless you guys.

Have a great weekend. Bye-bye.