Kingdom Pursuits, where you hear from ordinary people instilled with an extraordinary passion. Together we explore the stories of men and women who take what they love and let God turn their passion into kingdom pursuits.
Now, live from the Truth Booth, your host, Robbie Dilmore. Wow, do we have a lineup for you today on Kingdom Pursuits? I just have to tell you, it's more than amazing. We have. A pottery slinging biology teacher.
Yeah. We have uh a word to song ministry that comes somebody is taking it's gonna blow your mind taking scripture uh with um With artificial intelligence creating the most amazing songs. I got to tell you, you will be blown away. At each break, we're going to play that music. And then we got Jim Klinger.
He is a faith resource community. He's got all sorts of different ways. And he's kind of a Kingdom Pursuits web purchase. Person that just helps people of that God's taken their passion and used it to build their kingdom to make a whole community. And so to jump right in there, Jennifer Taylor Duncan, Master Potter Simple Clay.
I love. I mean, you could see things I imagine as a biology teacher and what. What do you call somebody that spins clay? A potter, I guess. A potter.
Yeah. So y you're sitting there spinning your clay one day and you're like Oh, you know what? How did God put this idea on your heart to write this book? Yeah, actually this book is an extension of a ministry that I take to churches. and to women's groups because there's just so much to share.
That I can't fit it all into just one a one or two day retreat. But really, the way that this all started was one night. I was you know, I was I was still teaching at the time. I'm now retired, but One evening I was working at the Potter's Whale frantically getting ready for the summer festival season and getting pottery caught up. And I had this one little pot at the wheel that just was not cooperating.
And it was just doing this wonky little hula dance on the wheels. And I just got to a point that I just said. What is the matter with you? Don't you see what I'm trying to do for you here? Why are you fighting me on this?
And at that moment, I realized, wow, those words may have come from my mouth, but they really came from the heart of God speaking to me and that I was the wonky, disobedient little pot on that wheel. And at that moment, my My Christian walk. And my and my life as a potter. changed and I have never been the same since. And not quite the same hola dancer either, I imagine.
No. That word picture is so beautiful. I immediately picked up on it. Like, I've been on that wheel, no doubt. And I bet you've been on that wheel too, Jim.
And when you start out of this idea of working with AI and music, oh my word, what a ministry. Amen. It's been a a pursuit, a passion and a fun learning time. And so I can hardly wait for our listeners to get a hear from, again, I think a lot of folks. Favorite scripture, you know, John 1.
Right at the very beginning, you know, kind of cool. And so. Where where are you going with that currently? I mean, how do you see this? Moving forward.
So as of today, Very good. Yeah, I'm talking to Jim Corbett. Yeah, go ahead. No, you're talking to Jim you're talking to Jim Klinger, yeah. I'm doing the word the song.
Jim Corbett does the He does music as well on Liberty. I got my gyms. I was in gym class. You have a problem in the fact you got your host nightmare with two gyms and they're both incredibly attractive, you know? You guys have a face made for radio.
I see that. Completely. And so, okay, Jim Klanger, that same question. I'm sorry. No, you're good.
So as of today, we have about 300 songs on all major streaming platforms and our website. There are hosted site. And eventually I want to do You know, every book of the Bible and the books that the chapters that can't be done into songs.
So. We currently have all of Proverbs completed in five different genres.
So, if you don't like country, Folk rock. gospel or Christian contemporary. I can make another one for you, but we have all five of those on And Proverbs concluded. And they have some of John, I think John 1 through 10 is done. There's multiple.
Some chapters because they're so long. We've done part one, two, and three on some. If you go to. No. The word the song dot com, you'll see the wow and so and so what's the connection, Jim Klinger?
How did you get into this like faith communities you did.
Well, you're going to ask Jim Corbett that. That's me. I'm sorry. I'm going to get it right. I'm going to take my notes and scribble all over them.
All right. Jim Corbett, same question. Should get my notes right. I don't know. Let's see, I've been in ministry for 42 years.
came to the Lord one day before I was going to kill myself and a doper alcoholic and found the Christ and just following hard after him.
So we've just been involved in the things that That honor God, and Jim Klinger has become an incredibly good friend. He's an amazing man. He's an always there, forever friend with a brain. And uh I am in a heart that loves Jesus. And so we are melding together two, yes, two hearts that love the Lord.
Yeah, it's beautiful. you know, the way that I came across The gym twins here was through my friend Andy, just to throw another name in there, who does ministry with me a lot. And Andy was like, You got to meet. Um Jim Corbett. Um Um You know, as a result of that, I found out more about Jim Klinger.
And I'm going to get their name straight with their ministries here. Real cool. But you can see, again, Kingdom Pursuits kind of comes to life as people have. The passion, as obviously Jennifer Duncan Taylor did with making pottery, and then all of a sudden God begins to show you, like, my goodness. And my guess is that Jim Klinger.
You must have had some passion for AI, and then all of a sudden, or music, which was it? How did that. start the process. It I was actually listening to a Um product called the Salms Project. And they really they're taking each psalm From the book of Psalms, 150, and putting them to music.
And they're musicians, and I have no musical talent whatsoever other than listening to it and enjoying it. And it's like, I talked with them and I said, Are you guys going to go outside of the film project? And they've spent the last, I believe, 10 years or so. Um Creating, I think we're on Psalm 61 now. You know, it takes a lot of work to do, truly, God's work on creating.
Songs from songs. And he said, No, they were going to stay with, you know, They figured it would take him another five or ten years to complete all 150 films.
So it's like, well, I plan on doing this with AI as long as I'm not stepping on your toes. And I said, I'll stay out of the book of Psalms because you have those covered. And he's like, oh. Shane was like, no, we're staying here for now.
So my love for music. And if you listen to it, you'll see I'm kind of the southern rock slash even hokey side. Of music, but I still create other genres for other people. And it just all came together. And John Won.
Chapter one was one of the first ones that I did, and that's still one of my favorite songs that I've. with God's help obviously composed Uh using AI. There's some people that hate it because it's like, oh, that's not, you know, the spirit of God. It's not as simple as just saying, you know, make me a song. There's a lot of work that goes into the.
AI part. as well to bring us on to life. And it is Spirit-led and so you'll get a chance to hear that as we come through the break. And we're going to hear a lot more from Jennifer Dunker-Taylor on the master pottle, the simple clay, and of course. Um Jim Corbett and his faith resource community.
We haven't heard much about it at all yet, but very fun. And of course, we're going to play shenanigans when we come back. You got to do a little of that.
So it'll be a wonderful hour today on Kingdom Pursuits. Stay tuned. A whole lot more coming up. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. In the beginning was the world The word was with God.
The word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made. Without him, nothing was made. In him was life.
The light of all people Shine in the light. Shines in the darkness. The darkness has not overcome it. The word became flesh, made his dwelling among us, full of grace and truth. Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, the one and only Son.
He came to make him known, God's chosen one. Wow, there it is. It is the word to song from Jim Klinger and his website. Again, all that's at kingdompursuits.com. Today we're so blessed to have with us Jennifer Duncan Taylor, her book, Master Potter Simple Clay.
And of course, we've got Jim Corbett, who is with the Faith Resource Community.
So we are loaded with all that. And, you know, so you would imagine Nick, and again, these guys are all rookies to shenanigans. I don't think any of them ever played it before. Have you ever played shenanigans, Jennifer? Nope.
Nope. Jim? Neither of the gyms? No, you've never played well. Here's our chance.
Speaking of clay. But now the fun begins.
Now it's time for nine Oh yes it is This is pretty simple. I ask a dad joke riddle, and you guys try to answer these first three or four, and then we ask the audience with a Bible riddle of the same. Kind of idea. And so, you know, as we were talking about it, and I was thinking about this idea of clay, as you might imagine, my producer, Nick, is an expert. He has done this for years.
And so he has a feel for where I'm going before I even get there.
So. The question to begin with is why did Aristotle believe men could mold themselves through their actions like clay? Why would Aristotle Thank God. Is this for me? I have no idea.
It's for anyone. Anyone who wants it, take it on, Jim. Jim or Jim or Nick. I'm thinking about it. It's coming to you, Nick.
Have you got it? I'm s I'm thinking about it. He's thinking about it. All right, well, I'm gonna take you all off the hook. You know, his mentor, the man he learned everything from was Plato.
Oh no. Is it time to hang up now? Oh no. Okay.
So, you're going to like this one, I'm sure, Jennifer. Why do clay items. There you know. cups, etc., make bad employees. What do you think, Nick?
You probably get that one. It's pretty easy. They break under pressure. Yeah, that's not bad. But the chances are they always get fired.
I'm going home. I'm going to go home. You could make great AI music out of these riddles, I'm telling you. Uh So You know. I really, really did like this one.
Why did the potter give up on the mug? You may have had this experience, Jennifer. Why did the potter give up on the mug? I'm thinking Hula Dancer right here. But what do you think, Nick?
It could hold as much as the bottom. It was very similar.
Something like that. He couldn't put a handle on it. He couldn't get a handle on it even. And just to show you how bad my taste really is. Um what's the most difficult potter?
to get cleaned up. If you got all these potters out there, you got to clean up one of them, which would be the most difficult? Hmm. That would be Harry Potter. There you go.
Just pictures. There you go. And so with all those shenanigans we have done, we will now ask the audience and they could Um answer this particular one. What? As clay pots of the master, what makes us shine?
There's your riddle today on Kingdom Pursuits. As clay pots of the master, what makes Or, how is it that we shine? 866-348-7884. If you can answer that riddle, what makes us shine? 866-348-7884.
And if they can answer that riddle, Nick, tell them what they'll win. Absolutely. Yes, we'll be winning a prize from our Kingdom Pursuits Prize Vault. If you know the answer to Ravi's riddle, you can win an action Bible. We have Narcan, we have a backscratch.
So we have so many prizes that you can win for. 866-38864. This list is so amazing that God has provided us, right? Narcan. Like, we didn't know until we started to get these guests talk about drug abuse that how important it is that you have some of this stuff around.
And then the ever-popular and I'm seeing them more and more around. That you know, that we've been giving these out, these gospel back scratchers.
So they have all the beads on them so you can scratch somebody's back, share the gospel with them all at the same time. 866-348-7884. What? as you know, as clay pots, what how is it that we shine? I love the answer to this.
And I'm guessing, Jennifer, you've got some lessons like that that you teach. Which don't answer it for everybody because I bet you know. But no. Um I think probably the best thing I can think of is that we have a glaze of glory because of our Lord and Savior. How about that?
That's fortunately not the actual answer, but it's still absolutely true because he fires us up, right? And um And and through his um heat. W I guess to some extent we've been uh made pure or in the process of it constantly. Yeah. And so Yeah, that's a big part of it is that The kiln fire purifies the clay.
It burns out all of the. Impurities and all of the muck and the stinky stuff and the the leaves and the twigs and everything, all the impurities that are in the clay. And it actually fires it and purifies it. It makes it strong. It actually transforms it into a new substance.
It goes from being From being a sedimentary rock into an igneous rock, into a ceramic, we call it ceramic change. And so, you know, we're we're we're turned into new creatures. Wow, it's like a butterfly. Right? It's a whole new thing.
I had never thought of that. Yeah, it's a whole new transformation. It's a new, completely new material. Absolutely. I used to.
Back in the day, I lived in Albuquerque, and everybody in Albuquerque makes turquoise jewelry at one point in their life. And uh we used to I used to work with silver. And you had to solder it in order to do that. It had to liquefy before it would run, right? And you had just a moment.
And the way they told me this, and they weren't Christians at the time, is they went, they said, when you can see your reflection in the silver. Turn the heat off. Yeah. Wow. Then it's right.
But if you if you. And again, I would solder these. They were cones that go on the back of a squash blossom necklace. And if you held that fire another half a millisecond longer than you could see the solder run, that you could see yourself in it, then it would burn up. And so I'm I'm guessing Um That As you have noticed, Jim Corbett, in working with different ministries, is a resource.
Um That a lot of times you're you're under the fire. Oh man. Yeah. That is so true. I'm still trying to figure out how the back I can read the back scratcher when he's scratching his back behind him.
So you gotta forgive me. No, getting to your point, we live in a community, in a society that is in such desperate need. And there's so many, many different potter's wheels that they're on. And so I think the gospel and the presentation of the gospel in the many forms we're talking about even this morning. Is powerful and it's wonderful to see what God is doing and how He's meeting the needs of His people.
Uh And it's neat that that God um kind of has you there as a hub, right? Yeah, you know, it really is. I was thinking about like Jennifer and Jim, the man that I know, and well, all of you, all of us. We have been given very specific points, and we reach specific people. We don't reach them all.
But we can reach the corner that we've been put in, which is really exciting. It just goes to show how incredibly magnificent our Father is, that nobody has missed out. Right. And I. I can't help but note myself that Wow, how beautiful it is that I get a chance every week to see The same kind of thing you see, Jim.
Um Is God taken? different people what they love. What they're and sa I've had people that taught sailing and or all sorts of different things. And whatever that passion was, it it's it's it's spectacular. And I can tell you, um, Uh Jim Um claimer That As I was listening to your song this morning, I was like, man.
How, what a time for such a time as this, right? give you the tools to create such beauty. Um in a way that never would have been anywhere even remotely possible. even six or seven years ago. Yeah, it's really came full circle.
uh it's kind of funny how it became about I just wanted to do a couple of songs and you know use them for my workout time or whatever it may be to listen to and after hearing Shane and the song project it's like well If he's not going to do the rest of the Bible, I think that needs done because it's never been done. I mean, there's songs here and there. Psalms one has been done a lot. You know, people will use different scripture. For daily devotionals or things, or parts of songs, but never the entire song.
It's like, what better way to get the word in you than listen to it while you're working out or on the drive to work or whatever it may be. We have another lady that she's been on here a couple times, and actually, she's on a project. Herself to make a song out of every piece because, again, you can memorize the Bible through song. If the word gets in there with a tune to your heart, it's an absolutely amazing thing, but as you think about it, You know, every song, it just adds to the equation. I love it.
We'll be right back. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. But you are Believed in his name, he gave his grace. Say, the light shines in the darkness. The darkness has not overcome it.
The word became flesh, made his dwelling among us, full of grace and truth. Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, the one and only Son, he came to make him known, God's chosen one. That is the word to song that's from Jim. Klinger, as I'll get this eventually straight, I wish I hadn't made these notes to be anyway. My mind would be not so confused.
And so we're so blessed to have with us today Jim Klinger, who's been doing that word to song, and apparently he's got a whole lot of the Bible there. If you go to kingdompursuits.com, you're going to see a link there where you can go to his website, see all those things, as well as a link to Jim Corbett's. Ministry, which is the faith resource community. And again, Jennifer Duncan Taylor in her book. And again, her whole ministry, actually, the Master Potty Simple Clay, she speaks at churches.
She would love to come speak to your women's group, anything like that. As God has given her such insight because she was a biology teacher until she retired. And so. As a biology teacher, I can imagine that for years You saw all sorts of connections from there to God. How did the clay part add into the equation?
Well, the clay part was pretty much just that I needed a creative outlet. I'd done a little bit of pottery when I was in community college and was encouraged to take a a pottery class later on and the second time that I took it it just kind of clicked. The first time was terrible. I made just childish things. But there's actually a lot of science In pottery, everything from the centripetal force working with the wheel to the chemistry with all the glazes.
To the way that water interacts with the particles of clay is a Vanderbaals force, as we call it, that holds it together.
So there's a lot of science in working with art. And I think it's important to remember that God The very first line in Scripture is In the beginning, God created. God is a creator. He's an artist. He's an artist and a scientist.
And so I am very honored that one of my big path that my big passion in life. is to be both a scientist And an artist. because I get to follow in some of those same things. that the Lord has we're made in his image.
So he has made us creative. And he's made us curious about science and about the world around us. He's put that imagery in us to be creators and to be scientists. And I get to live it out. Yeah.
That is beautiful. And I couldn't agree with you more that Um He is the master artist, and he is painting in our lives. Like, not just did he paint the original world. But but w we do boot camps, Andy and I do, the friends of the two gyms there. where we talk about God as Father, and a lot of people You know, think of God as the backup plan, like, well, his father died when, you know, and now God's the backup plan.
Well, actually, he has been painting fathers into our lives. That not only your earthly original father, but there might be that uncle or that grandfather or that guy that taught you how to fix cars or that coach. And he is like this master artist that has been painting people into our lives. Um like actually you guys are for me today as I get to hear you know, what it is and how you do it. And so Um Going back to you, Jim.
Thank you. Corbett I'll get this eventually. That See that in your own life. Did you have mentors that helped you begin this faith community? project that you're on?
Oh, we did. There were so many men that were just the fathers that were there. My dad died well, I came to the Lord and he I knew him for a while before I Before he died, but yeah, there were a lot of mentors that came into our life. Jim Klinger, as a matter of fact, is very instrumental in my life right now. He has ideas for projects that deal with foster children and building songs for them that we're working together on.
And we also are putting together a A church that that's called Church Child and and oh what is it? Church child and I forget Jim, church child and uh uh family. And we're also putting together songs that we are making as part of just a life outreach. He's instrumental in having me start what we call Liberty Music, where we're doing the same digital kind of music, but we're dealing with the hearts and the souls of individuals. We've written about 50 songs that that are now very current and really designed to help the individual that's searching.
Well, you know what's cool? This has such applications, it's unbelievable. That I have some members that You know. Actually, you know, had some issues within their marriage. Not bad, but they're just trying to find a way to, you know, put the romance back in.
Well, he wrote her a song through this technology you're talking about. And Mm-hmm. When he wrote, of course, he has no musical ability, but he wrote his lyrics based on how he felt. And it made this unbelievable song that really spoke to his heart about his wife. But then when his wife heard it and saw the joy in his heart from reading it, I mean, what it did, what I think it was aimed to do, and you just can't help but say, oh, my goodness, look what God did.
He took this man's creativity, as you're talking about, Jennifer, and creativity in a different way than people have ever had a chance to be creative in their whole life. And like give them tools to enhance their life and really show one another how much they love each other. Isn't that beautiful, Jennifer? Yeah. Yeah.
And the ability to express your creativity.
So part of creation. Is a gift. Just like God creating, He gifted it to us. And so we as artists. And those of us who create things, and by the way, everybody does create, whether you are just cooking or building a house or arranging flowers, everybody is creative because, again, we're made in his image.
But We We take the most joy. when we give it away. Just like the Lord. That's so true. Wow.
Yeah, and Jim Clay, you're giving it away, right? You can listen to every one of those songs on his website. But I I can't imagine the hours you have invested in all that. But what an opportunity for you to be an artist without the Musical gifting that would have required, right? Yeah, it is all free.
It's God's word and he said, you know. Freely you receive, freely you give, and that's been the motto from the beginning. And Jim Corbett does the same as well. He's written several books, but two of them, the first one that really brought us together is called A White Stone, and it's free on his website along with the others. Uh it's an incredible read.
And it was about twenty years ago that I read it from a friend. And then I shared it with Andy, your friend. Right. And it's been, it's been, you know, an incredible. I probably read it 10 times throughout the years, just to go back to it.
It's that good. It's an easy read. And you can download it from his website that's linked on your site. And The Elect, which is part two of it, is incredible as well. But have you made a song to that passage in Revelation?
Yeah. There's lots of stuff in the works. I'll let you know.
Okay.
All right. Well, I think you should because, you know. That's such an amazing thing, and I'm sure Andy shared with you how we work with that, with the Masculine Journey team, on the new name and what's on that stone. And the replication of all that stone represents, I imagine. Jim Corbett, you you You're the one who wrote the book, right?
Yes. Yeah. Well, my wife and I did. What a journey. Yeah, um we've written well we've written twelve books so far.
And uh uh my wife and my wife is so instrumental in that, that uh she and I pray together. She's the one that uh that makes it right. I I I splash out the words and she puts them together in a book form.
So yeah, we've really discovered, not only with song, but every three-minute song is a three-minute sermon and a three-minute lifeline. Music is so, so important to touch people. Yeah, it really is. Between the writing and the music and what Jim is doing.
Well, that music means we've got to go to a break. I'm sorry, Jim, to cut you off, but we don't want to miss out on somebody's opportunity as clay pots. You know, what makes you shine? You just picture this clay pot. You may have heard this.
To me, it's one of the most beautiful things I can describe. We want your calls: 866-348-7884. You may need that backstretch. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. In the beginning was the world The word was with God, the word was God.
He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made. Without him, nothing was made. In him was life. The light of all people Shining the light, shines in the dark.
Darkness the darkness Artist has God overcome it, the word became flesh, made his dwelling among us, full of grace and truth. Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, the one and only Son, he came to make him known, God's chosen one. The word to song with. Jim Klinger. If you go to his website, you can go to kingdompursuits.com or you can just look it up, the word to song, and you can find lots and lots and lots of songs that he's done.
And again, as I was talking about this lady that I wish I could remember the name of her ministry, but she's putting the entire Bible to music as well. And the idea that if you find a catchy tune like these are, and you put them in all sorts of different genres, you find something that strikes, and all of a sudden those words get in your heart. They don't come back void. It's a promise. Absolutely beautiful stuff, Jim.
I'm so grateful. I want to give you guys one last chance to answer this question because I've got to get it out. Like, as Clay Potts, Right? How is it that you can shine that would make a difference like this particular type of shining through your clay pot? Believe me.
And I may have given you just a little hint right there. You call us 866-348-7884. I may have worded that in a bad way. We didn't get any answers, but I would love to hear from you. 866-348-7884.
And so we just have. A couple minutes left. Jennifer, if you would I would love for you to share what you wanted to get shared today that you had a chance to share.
Well, one thing I wanted to share with people is that. Man looks upon the outward appearance, but God looks upon the heart. And the inside of a pot. It's called its heart. And when a potter is sitting at the wheel, That's all that the potter sees.
is the inside the heart. of a pot. Everybody else looks from the outside. but the potter is looking and working and shaping the pot from the heart. That's beautiful.
Absolutely beautiful. And I don't think a lot of people even would recognize that, that verse in First Samuel is a pottery. But the Lord has an amazing thing with Scripture. There are so many scriptures That are about pottery that no one would recognize unless you had been sitting at a potter's wheel for thirty years. throwing twenty-five tons of clay.
Right. And so since nobody called, I'm going to give the answer to my riddle. Yeah. Pots crack And since we are on the potter's wheel, we tend to crack and break. And interestingly, the light shines through those cracks.
And when you admit where you're cracked, then whose light is shining through? That would be God's, right? Because he's the hero of the story. And his people can see God shine through your cracks, right? The ones that you fill with wax.
That isn't the real thing. Those can make a huge impact. And so. Jim Klinger, I want to give you the same opportunity to share anything you wanted to get shared today that you had a chance to. it's hard to follow those two things, honestly.
Just for people that are not up on AI or Interested in AI at all, and I've met a lot of people who are like, no, that can't be of God. It's just another technology. And how you look at it. It's not the Antichrist, and it's not anything. It's another tool that God's given us.
In film in the film industry, they've been doing CGI for tens of years, right? And the same way with music. People they've taken a lot of things. You know, at one point in time, you know, film was. really advanced technology.
A lot of people thought that they were, you know, what is this slop you're doing? Or in music, you know, at one point in time there weren't guitars, and that was new technology.
Somebody learned how to play them and and and make beautiful music. And like you said, it's it's a tool. And I love that God's using it to bring people together, to bring people into worship, to people to understanding. Like how much have I understood better because of computers of God's word? It's unbelievable, right?
Um it's just beautiful.
So, Jim, uh, Corbett, we'll let you Get in your work, by all means. Yeah. Well at the faith resource community, which is what we've done. It really is resources. We believe that everybody, and the word says that everybody is really supposed to go out and minister.
And so we provide tools that people can use to be able to use, to be able to proclaim the gospel. And I just, I guess what's on my head is that God is waking up His church, and He is the Holy Spirit coming to people that are sick. Stirred up, that want to be holy, that want to search for the reality and not business as usual. And I just want to encourage those people that they're going to stand alone. They may be the only one that they know that is really trying to sell out and everybody else is wanting to play games or their circle of friends wants to play games to just be encouraged.
You are not weird, you are not dumb. You are hearing the voice of God. He is calling his people. to um to become what What we've always said we were supposed to be. And so I just want to encourage those that are feeling alone.
There's all kinds of tools available. Our songs are designed for that. To be able to encourage people to become all they can be in Christ. That's beautiful. Again, we just thank you guys all so much.
If you go to kingdompurce.com, you can see all these ministries and see their links. I'm so grateful for you guys sharing with us today. I really appreciate it. I really do. It's amazing.
And now, for you listening, I really appreciate you as you get to hear encouraging prayer coming up, followed by the Mike Zwick Show if you're in Winston. Thank you for listening.
