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June 15, 2021 4:30 am

Heaven is our promised inheritance as Christians, but what can we expect when we get there? Dr. Robert Jeffress, senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Dallas, joins me to talk about his latest book, "A Place Called Heaven: 10 Surprising Truths About Your Eternal Home." Plus: Dr. Dave Beckwith with Standing Stone Ministry discusses the lessons Jonah can teach us about our own wayward hearts. His book is called: "I Love the World - It's People I Can't Stand." That and more on Tuesday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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In fact, are we prepared to go there.

That's what really talk about today with Dr. Robert Jeffress, Dr. Jeffers, senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Dallas is heard daily on his radio program pathway to victory as well as on his weekly television program, and today will be talking about his latest book which is called a place called heaven and 10 surprising truths about your eternal home. Dr. Jeff was great talking to back. How are you finding great to have here are you've asked this question, what difference does a future heaven make in my life today. So throw that to you. Just as an opening salvo. What difference would you say that heaven makes for you as a pastor while I think your perspective on this like to realize how long eternity is now brief, why on earth did and I think the paradox about this like an eternity is that even though our years are very very few here on earth. What we do in these few years God granted us on this earth affect our eternal destiny forever as I say in the book what we do on earth reverberates in the halls of heaven forever and so I think there's something about being heavenly minded that actually makes it more effective for God on this earth, you know, see aforesaid, if you look at history you will find that the people who did most for this world are those who thought most about the next world that's true that's great and you know, we recently passed the anniversary of 9/11 Dr. Jeffers as you know, and I think of those people as I mourn for those people, even though I didn't know them. It's just so striking.

And I think one of the reasons people grieve is much as we do is not just because of the nature of the attack because of the sudden shock of it here with these people walking into the World Trade Center walking to the Pentagon that day, they had every intention, people getting on airplanes trying to go on a business trip. They had no idea that their lives would soon and I wonder how much we really spend time thinking about that that we are not guaranteed 85 years on earth are more know you like somebody said on death are very impressive one out of every one. Every second that you move toward that inevitable conclusion of life here on earth, and it just makes sense that we would want to be prepared for the next life, one that last for eternity. You know, Janet, a lot of people have a hard time and I know I do. Getting my mind around eternity. 103 shall use in the book is this. I imagine there's a bird that comes every billion years to sharpen its beak on Mount Everest once every million years.

By the time that word is bond like that I demolish Mount Everest eternity will only be God. We can't conceive of that but that is what forever never is all about. His sister is staggering.

It's like little kids and I can't even understand eternity as it doesn't get any easier when you get older you still just is boggled by the whole concept.

So let's go over a little bit what the Bible says about heaven. There are many different religions. The talk about places like Mulhall are Paradise or what have you. But what is the truth about heaven as the Bible describes it well in my book a place called heaven. I'm entering the 10 most frequently asked questions about heaven, you know, one question that I talked about at the outset of the book is it having a real place in the state of mind and in John 14 Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you and if I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again well uses that Word Pl., Topock in Greek, three times in two verses in John 14 and the word Pol Pot literally means a geographical location.

Heaven is just not a figment of our imagination. It's not a state of mind.

It is an actual location that were going to inhabit for all eternity. If we know Jesus Christ yelled.

The other thing people want to know about heaven.

It is what we gonna do when heaven (old chapter answering that I think Janet one reason Christians are more excited about heaven is they harbored the secret fear that they're going to be bored for all eternity. They thanked her and happened to be one talking I'm in the church service, which sounds more like held all heaven. We are going to worship in heaven worship like we never have on earth, but where to do more than worship will work and haven't got you have assignment scores without the usual impediments to enjoying our work like tired bodies are strained relationships or government regulation. All of those things will be removed and will enjoy work like God originally intended for us to enjoy it. Yes it's it's almost impossible to imagine what it will be like because we are so looking forward to something that got me new point this out in your book. God really has only given us a glimpse. Hasn't he hasn't described in extreme detail everything were to be seen doing saying and I and and involved in when were in heaven and what is God's purpose in keeping that hidden from us to think. Imagine you were child dinner at the plate filled with roast beef, mashed potatoes and spinach and over the side you put a bowl of ice cream with chocolate syrup on it what what is the child going to do what is any adult going to do one for the ice cream first and I think it's the same way with information about heaven. I think Janet if we do everything that God had prepared for her. We couldn't do the work you signed for us here on earth are good be mass suicides as people try to get to the other side as quickly as possible so he hasn't told us everything but he's told us just enough to what our appetite and I think people are going to be surprised in my book a place called heaven. Actually, how much information there is in the Bible about this very real place.

Yes, and one of the things that you mention when you're talking about the benefits of being heavenly minded is that thinking of heaven and prepares us for the certainty of judgments.

A lot of Christians understand, I am say because of what Jesus Christ did to me it's not my words. I'm not in trouble anymore because Christ is paid for my sin and justified me before God giving me his righteousness.

I'm okay, but what about the prospect of judgment or everyone in the world.

How does that going to work. One of the great myths that Christian embraces the idea were now that I'm a Christian. I never have to experience God's judgment long we will face God's judgment. It's a different judgment, the nonbeliever space they face the great white throne judgment described in Revelation 20. It resulted at a judgment that infant condemnation being thrown in the lake of fire forever never but we Christians are also going to experience a judgment. It's called the judgment of Christ. Second Corinthians 510 Janet, this is not a judgment of condemnation, but it is a judgment of evaluation pulses were going to appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one of us talk about Christians may be rewarded for what we done in the body, whether it be good or worthless as I talk about in my book heaven will not be the same for the body. There are rewards in heaven and God.

Those rewards will be based being based on our faithfulness to Christ in this life and you kind of alluded to this as evangelicals. Sometimes we talk about how good works are of no value will good works or no value in securing our place in heaven. But good works.

After we are saved. Have a great deal to do with securing our rank in heaven. The kind of heaven we will experience yes and yet I've heard Christians make the remark, but if I start doing things simply to earn a crown. Doesn't that cancel out the good work that I'm trying to do because I'm being proud about it and then you get into this weird cycle of I'm doing something, but I'm doing it with the wrong motivation and the Lord is good to be more mad at me for trying to do something good for him because I'm trying to take credit. How would you ease the conscience of somebody who is truly trying to obey Christ. I would say obeying Christ were awarded probably the highest motivation. There is Hebrews 11 talk about that without faith it is impossible to please God and then he says he who comes to God must believe that he is and that he is a walker of those who diligently follow him a talk about Abraham obeyed God because he was looking for that distant that future city Moses who was willing to endure the ill-treatment with God's people because he wanted the treasurer of Christ, and he was looking for a war the Bible says that the really faint when you think about it, think about my obedience to God in this life. I believe what God says is going to result in a reward in the yes, well, there's so much to talk about in that regard, and especially when you're talking about those who have a very mixed up view of who goes to heaven who doesn't go to heaven.

The other thing I want to get into and will do this when we come back from the break.

Dr. Jeffers is we have had a slew of books in the last decade on I know you know what I'm about to say on heaven tourism. This idea that you and I had some little kid, are you had some woman or man who would take little trip to heaven and then came back and wrote a book about it except for those who recanted those testimonies were to get Dr. Jefferson's take on that when we come back. His book a place called heaven will be right back. Hi this is Janet Mefford here in need of a new healthcare program that you miss the open enrollment deadline in December. It's not too late. The special enrollment period is taking place now through August 15. During this time you can enroll in the healthcare program of your choice without the need for a qualifying event. This means you can now enroll in a healthcare sharing program from liberty share with memberships for individuals, couples and families. You can find a variety of options to best of your medical needs. Plus, you really can choose the doctor and hospital of your choice. Best of all membership options start for as low as $199 a month more than 200,000 Americans trust liberty healthcare for their healthcare needs. What are you waiting for discover more about the power of today for more information call 855-585-4237 855-585-4237 or liberty help fellow Christians are suffering in Africa. This is Janet Mefford, pastor Luma ministers in Mozambique near the Indian Ocean. He's been beaten and jailed. Many times, not merely for what he believes but for how he lives out his faith is a luminal has been quietly and faithfully sharing the gospel with Muslims and many are coming to Christ, but extremists have assaulted luminal his family and many in his church, but they're not asking for an end to the persecution they face. Instead, they're praying for God's word to endure and persevere as new followers of Christ seen people being changed by reading the Scripture giving a Bible to somebody's at greatest gift you can give somebody through the ministry of Bible league international you can send God's word to a new believer in Africa. Five dollars sends one Bible $100 sends 20 call now 800 yes word that's 800 YE asked WORD or there's an open the floodgates Bibles for Africa banner to you are listening to you today glad you're here and glad to be chatting with Dr. Robert Jeffers from first Baptist Dallas. He is out with a new book a place called heaven.

10 surprising truths about your eternal home.

So I go back to the story. Dr. Jeffers from a few years ago from NPR nearly 5 years after it hit the best-seller lists a book that purported to be a six-year-old boy's story of visiting angels in heaven after being injured in a bad car crash is being pulled from the shelves because the young man at the center of the boy who came back from heaven.

Alex Mullarkey said this week that the story was all made up what you make of these sorts of tales Dr. Jefferson. As we seen this kind of boom is a genre in Christian bookstores that are great. What Mullarkey yeah at his mother's wonderful. I became friends with her.

She was very concerned about the book not being true. And she's a fine Christian woman. I was glad to see this happen and you know I quoted confession in which he said was warranted and everybody should learn from this is the Bible is sufficient to tell us everything we need to know about heaven and look, you know, one of the questions I answer in my book a place called heaven. Some people already visited heaven course will talk about the so-called near-death experiences were somebody supposedly dies they take a tour of heaven come back and write a best-selling book about it.

I want to be real clear God can do whatever he wants to do, but if these experiences that people ought about actually coincides with what Scripture teaches about heaven, then these books are redundant, you know, say good night did not in the Bible right if these books conquered what is in the Scripture that your eager, delusional or demonic in their origin and so we want to stay away from that as well.

The fact is Janet. There are no near-death experiences like we have the day, none of those are recorded in the Bible.

I know I was shouting right now but what about what take the case of Lazarus. God raised Jesus raised lancers from the dead girl kind of occasions in the Bible where God raised people from the dead.

The key when they came back to life.

They didn't report what they had sitting on the other side exactly call integrity is what was called up and look forward heaven, but God told him not to speak about those things that he saw. So I think we need to view these experiences with a healthy degree of skepticism and understand the Bible really is sufficient to tell us what we need to know and love that you say that and you know my listeners. I'm sure sliding you for saying it because it's not necessarily very popular to go up against a a brand of tourism fiction that people really enjoy because they like the story of it. But is this sort of a problem within evangelicalism altogether and we like sentiments sometimes more than we like what the Bible actually says that Dr. Dryden honestly, we think we need the assurance that all of this is real but we don't get our assurance from experience we get it from the unchanging truth of God's word and Doug you know Paul will mean for he was talking to a group of Christians concerned about their loved ones who had died, had they missed the second coming of Christ and Paul gives this detailed explanation about the resurrection of the dead in Christ, he said.

Therefore comfort one another with these words.

I've seen Jan, I've been a pastor for more than 40 years I have seen as I've looked in the face of those who have lost loved one cannot read John 14 or for special needs for how the word of God has the power to comfort people like no other work absolutely. Now when you are going through and talking about these 10 surprising truths about our eternal home. One of the things you also address is the question of after I die as a Christian, do I immediately go to heaven. We think of what Jesus told the thief on the cross.

Today you will be with me in paradise is the promise that Scripture gives us about how quickly we go to be with the Lord to be surprised by my book a place called heaven what second Corinthians 5 date the passage you referenced. Second Corinthians 5861. A Christian dies to be absent from the body is to be at home with the Lord. The moment we shut our eyes here on earth we awaken in the presence of Jesus Christ. There's no soul sleep. No purgatory. We go immediately to be with the Lord were awake were conscious we know what is happening. But the question is where is the Lord right now. Well, you can the bird happen. And while we go to be with the Lord immediately. That's not our final destination. That's our intermediate destination, not purgatory. It is a place were awake experiencing the bliss of heaven, but our ultimate destination.

Janet is going to be right here on this earth newly re-created the new heaven and the new earth. You know right now Jesus is in heaven. John 14 seven preparing a place for that place is the new Jerusalem. I call it the ultimate in prefab house.

One day John says in Revelation 21 he saw the new Jerusalem, coming out of heaven down to earth were to be right here on this earth that we were originally designed for the earth without justice. Adam experienced it before the faults.

Now that's interesting you jog my memory because there was a survey that came out not too long ago I was sharing this just recently that said something like, 1/4 of modern-day American Protestants, which would also encompass the mainline and evangelicals believe in purgatory. I thought that even possible. I don't even know of them. Any mainline church that we teach that what you think. There is even a temptation for those with such a rich heritage oscilloscope Torah would believe in purgatory when it's not in the Bible. Well, I think shortly.Hope maybe there's a second chance. Maybe if people were in the waiting station they can get out of it by something somebody else does here on earth, and of course we know that was just a fictional idea created by the church to extort money from people and get them to be more appearance to the church and it just absolutely completely contrary to Scripture. Luke 16 Jesus told the story about the rich man and Lazarus, who died the rich man immediately was in Haiti being in format Lazarus was immediately in paradise.

Abraham's bosom with the Lord there was no in between. They were in one place or the other. Jesus said we would go to everlasting righteousness or everlasting punishment, no in between. Will we know one another in heaven, Dr. Jeffers, that's a question that comes up quite a bit. It comes up and I think behind it is also the question what our relationship continue in heaven. And the answer to both of those questions is yes.

You know, one of the great myths Janet people have about heaven is that when we die we become somebody else and have no as we go to heaven when working on names. For example, Moses and Elijah.

After being dead, hundreds of years came back to be with Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration, they were still laying Moses and Elijah, and even our new resurrection body. We retain some of the characteristics of our old body that make us noble recognizable to other people think about Jesus and his resurrection body, which was a prototype of our new bodies.

His disciples knew him not immediately all the times I want expecting the stadium, necessarily, but they did recognize him. I think will know one another in heaven I think will enjoy our relationships with Christians that began here I think will enjoy the more because will be no painted fan in those relationships I think will know our mates in heaven were not.

You have to think on a marital relationship we have here on earth. Jesus said to me, will fellowship with them and maybe enjoyed them in a whole new way as together we can look back on our life on earth and see how God used the good the bad the horrible to bring us to the present place. Very good. Well, the starkest reality of all, as we both know is that not everybody goes to heaven. Jesus talked about the narrow way versus the broad path of destruction. And I go to this passage where Jesus says in I don't think that I have come to abolish the law of the prophets. I'm not come to abolish them but to fulfill them and then he goes on to say, for I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Those Dr. Jeffers who will read that passage and say Jesus is preaching a gospel of works. I have to be better than the Pharisees and the teachers of the law. What is the truth about how you get to heaven and what Jesus was really talking about their delay shouldn't hurt every man who does not obey all things in the law. God doesn't grade on the curve you desire.

It demands 100% perfection.

And by that standard, we all fall short. You know I use this illustration.

The final chapter of a place called heaven. Just imagine that you're moving to a foreign country.

That's what were all doing when we go to this place called heaven, but if you gain entry to a foreign country. The only what you do so is by having the proper passport you cannot get into a foreign country without the right passport and you know a lot of people asked me you know will Be in heaven will Jews be in heaven. Will Baptist be in heaven. Nobody goes into heaven in a group we go one by one. Based on our relationship with God. The only people who are going to be allowed in the heaven are forgiven people and that's why for your spiritual passport you're going to have to have the stamp that sales forgiven by Jesus Christ. He is the only way to heaven. Jesus said I the way the truth and the life no man comes to the father except through me dilemma Scott's also I think when you're talking about that I was thinking of Jesus saying that I am the door. And I love that image that he is the one we must have to walk into heaven without Christ, we can't get there and you know this really drives home for me. The point Dr. Jeffers that God so loved us. He so loved the world that he gave us his one and only begotten son, Jesus Christ the gospel itself is such a miracle in so many ways that we don't earn heaven, we could never earn heaven. God did it for us.

It's just astounding and provide a way of escape. You know about firemen awakened you in the middle of the ninth. The draft is on fire, follow me. There's only one way out and accuse him of being hateful.

Only one way out right you would thank him and you would follow him. Jesus said there's only one way out of this burning planet and it's too trusting in him percent of patients. Well it is and when we consider what is coming when we go to heaven. We may go tomorrow we may go in 50 years.

Who knows how long the Lord his will for us to live. What would you say to Christians right now about preparing for heaven. I would like make sure you got the right passport that you been forgiven by Jesus Christ but also I want midnight regrets that you have your on earth you know Abraham died. Genesis 25 shows an old man satisfied with why is a pastor but nothing satirizing been Christians approaching the end of their life regretting relationships they wish they had reconciled goals. They were state of cheap don't do that.

Go ahead and take care of those regrets now and make sure you're living for that final evaluation by God at the judgment seat of Christ, the broadcasting what we do on earth reverberates in the halls of heaven forever and that's why we need to start tearing for that trip so that place called heaven a place called Dr. Robert Jeffers, thank you so much Dr. Jeffers absolutely got last. This archived broadcast of Janet Mefford today is brought to you by Liberty health, share liberty, health share is a nonprofit healthcare sharing ministry that allows you to control and manage your own healthcare and choose any doctor or hospital in the nation. If your freedom loving American looking for contract free healthcare call now 855-585-4237 or go to liberty, health for more information liberty health today and here's your host Joe welcome back.

Well, if you ever doubted that our God is the great missionary. All you need to do is read what he asked Jonah when he called them to preach to Nineveh. The Lord asks in Jonah 411. Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between the right and left hand. Now of course we know how Jonah responded to God's missionary directive.

His work first response was to run from his calling, but why did he do that and what can the book of Jonah teach us about our own wayward hearts were to talk about that today with Dr. Dave back with the former lead pastor at Woodbridge church in Irvine, California and now US Western regional Dir. for standing stone ministry which cares for spiritual leaders today will be discussing his book.

I love this title.

I love the world, it's people I can't stand Joan his attorney of brokenness and yours, Dave. Great to have you with us. Are you doing all our new art will remember the final rebel global world yeah will will live there, absolutely absolutely encompasses the book of Jonah. It really some summarizes it doesn't it is Jonah sure in theory wanted the Lord to save wicked people. He just didn't want to go to Nineveh and yet you about that a little bit what was it about Nineveh that bothered Jonah so much world are warm all wonder what happened maybe a family member. All work, no rational from rationality to terrorism will notify them people alive.

I now all you want me to put 000 right, well, yeah, exactly. If you're called to go to the city where these can people alive. You might not want to go immediately, but you know you see something interesting and I think very true about Jonah because when you contrast him with the other Old Testament prophets. His suffering was the only suffering among the prophets that was self inflicted. It's true that how would you characterize Jonah as being different from the other prophets that we read about in the Old Testament word called form where people would work.

You know what go go go. More will go all the other problem yeah the word talking about so blocked story of story.

Well it is when you talk about his fear you, you mentioned a minute ago that not only was his fear irrational, but there was some rationality to it. When you look at how morally evil the people of Nineveh were, can you talk a little bit about the fear though, and how you really think Jonah can be somebody to look at and consider some of our own fears and how we can deal with our own fears. In a similar way to go but were bought with terrible care. Give our life how Mark so all we have to build for the people, so rubber metal are controlled yeah it it's absolutely essential regardless of your circumstance, you have to employ all of those things and the stubbornness angle. This is something I know you breakdown Jonah the book of Jonah. According to the chapters that you mentioned in chapter 1 we see this real stubbornness from Jonah. He flees, he gets on the ship and then all these miracles take place.

I haven't really thought about it until I was reading your book and your mentioning that in the book of Jonah. You actually see 12 miracles was very interesting because I hadn't really kept them up before, but can you speak to that a little bit, not the intervention of the Lord in his life despite his stubbornness is quite astonishing story about group for overdrive or go do all the miracles. The drug grace drug law. The darker the prophet that would've been willing to do what God's will do blocked. Out of all the work will be able to form what you want to build your yeah so when you see the calming of the sea begins with the great wind. The storm on the sea, the casting of lots and in the storm's columns and conversion of the sailors. This is one that's almost, I think lost over a little bit when you look at the man on the ship who said all you know and and they end up recognizing this God is great Jonah. This God is great handset being pitched into the sea. But what you make of that angle that the Lord intervenes to bring people to himself in spite of Jonah stubbornness, not just the people in Nineveh, but those sailors on the ship are no more Robert were more good points all God through prayer, so, so sure.

And then of course the famous part of the book of Jonah is where you swallowed by the big fish he's in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights prefiguring Jesus Christ. This is really critical and and I'm wondering how much of that prefiguring of Christ is necessary to the story is unfolding as it dies, that this is God's grace is the overarching theme. Obviously, in the gospel as well. But how do you link together how God dealt with Jonah in the belly of the of the fish with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Wonderful word of all all war. The book of deliverable made up story book of Job, both historical and structural. Go several times to work so we checked out. Jonah number book will you use all of the work but worth a read work. So our story warm all grand personal broker and direction of life and that's it. That's such an important saying I know this is part and parcel of what you're writing about in your book is the fact that there is never a time when we can read Scripture, we can't understand something a little bit better about ourselves as God's creation and understanding that are said yeah our own sin, and in looking at the life of Jonah and looking at the life of some of the other people mentioned in the book of Jonah just gives us that greater insight as you mention into our own brokenness I want to talk about that some more. When we returned from this break. Dr. Dave Beckwith as my guest. I love the world, it's people I can't stand will come back talking about the book right after this you listening to Janet Mefford today when Julia ended a bad relationship she found out she was pregnant after the father told her to get an abortion. This mom was confused and didn't know what to do or who to talk to Julia was referred to a pre-born center where she was counseled and supported with the strength that she needed to choose life and he's here and pre-born centers provide hope, love, free ultrasounds in the gospel of Jesus Christ to moms like Julia pre-born truly is the alternative to Planned Parenthood. When you join pre-born in helping love and support young moms in crisis for $140 you can sponsor five ultrasounds and help rescue five babies lives to donate call now 855402 Beatty 855-402-2229 855-402-2229 or there's a pre-born banner to Many nations have no access to the desperately needed medical care. That's why Mercy ship Springs volunteer support on hospital ship, the Africa Mercy to give the world's forgotten for the free medical care they need. We have an immediate need for registered nurses, especially with specialty as a volunteer nurse.

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I love the world, it's people I can't stand Jonah's journey of brokenness and yours, Dave. One of the things that you mentioned in the book, which I think is kind of funny but also true is that Jonah really finds rehab of sorts while he's in the belly of the fish.

Can you talk about that a little bit rude though all related all God you'll know why I called you during the program are limited and I'm on all so I will leave a lot of emotional extraordinaire you more labor you talk about that a little bit what would be some of your recollections of your own stubbornness and what the Lord did in your life to that well all know what I don't murder your little realize that my own depression. There will open up approval problems. Now the pressure of the long word. I told God I want to be a lead pastor or send a brochure for difficult long and full, so I was called so from Northern California arrived. There were about to go for a walk so I flashlight all will look for your no bar was born to 40 feet below so all on are more backside about the shockwave go up card or bookmark my left shoulder of the ball will dark on board could be heard all this is really, do so far, so are more mobile, so our goal going on would try to get back to my all my fall back to the ground on 100 completely over there from how to start down that you probably work for about three hours would come home all.

After about three hour window. The world was about over.

No doubt. So with all of them will probably backup would then turned around for so with the world through letter on the ground more so Barbara about 2 o'clock in the morning will contact me warm, like a second call once you know what you're sure blog no.

While no. 01 25 was God's will that all that is quite a tale, a boy that that's incredible to look back on that. I'm sure now and say wow that amazing that you were able to do what you did three hours in a broken back can't even imagine what that was but I mean when you talk about what Jonah learned in rehab so to speak that God was shouting.

I love you to him in not so many words, but he was also learning to surrender his will to the Lord. Is that what she would describe as the aftereffects of your experience that you learn those things in a different way by remark from Robert Rew preserved her most people true, it's true. So Gordon also doing what my world go round was very important part of today would you say that that experience changed you from that point on. In terms of surrendering to the will of God. I would I would with the water I would a workable work.

I would try and our country.

That's incredible. You been able to communicate that when you're working with other people who have struggled in some similar ways and really can identify with the book of Jonah. How you translates what Jonah is teaching with the word of God is teaching and what you've experienced and and make that life-giving and and give that to somebody else to help them in their walk with the Lord where they might be going through some of the same things world work right now, along with a large group will work Walker Graham through Beryl Buford. The board through the crisis of the church.

Now, alongside people going through those flirt right well and that's that's really important and I think when you look at the end of the book of Jonah where the Lord is looking at how Jonah responded and got angry and that the makes the plant grow up over him and the worm comes in all the rest. Adding this really their parallels aren't there in our lack of concern for our neighbors who don't yet know.

Lord I think there's so much to learn their time (and colder person yes girl are going to burn you medically different word and also build. Part of my old which was verse of your wills, the terms how well will I was going through really important people can read about it in the book.

It's called I love the world, it's people I can't stand Jonah's journey of brokenness and yours by Dr. Dave Beckwith.

He's been kind enough to join us. Dave it was great to have you here. Thank you so much for your book and thanks for being with us today. God bless you too. Thanks a lot Dave and thanks for joining us here in Chennai for today. We will see you next time

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