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April 19, 2021 4:30 am

The King James Bible -- it is beloved and a perennial best-seller. But it also can be hard to understand. So what place should the KJV have in our churches? Mark Ward joins me to discuss it and his book, "Authorized: The Use and Misuse of the King James Bible." Plus: Robert Dickie III will share some helpful advice from his book, "Love Your Work." We'll talk about that and more on Monday's next JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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This Janet Mefford today podcast is brought to you in part by Bible league international. We want to send 1500 Bibles to Africa through Bible leaves open the floodgates Bibles for Africa campaign. Five dollars sends one Bible and a matching grant will double your gift call now 800 yes word 800 yes word is our confidence is in Christ alone, I saw you know you'll bestseller but for many Christians today. It's also seen as archaic and hard to understand which makes for some contentious debate with other Christians who believe the King James Bible is the only one that Christians ought to use my next guest makes the argument that the English Bible translations actually should be readable to the man on the street, author and blogger Mark Ward is joining us now to talk about it in his book authorize the use and misuse of the King James Bible.

Somebody had to hear Mark thank you very much for joining us and thank you for having me. I curious because we all have a history somewhat.

I would say with the King James Bible, to one extent or another, but watch your own history with the King James, how have you used it or what has your opinion been throughout your life on the usage of the King James. My opinion has changed a bit over time, but I have used it for my entire life and not continue to this day. It is among the number of Bible translations in English that I checked on a very regular basis as part of my Bible study and teaching and writing. I did grow up using the King James. I memorized hundreds of verses from. I spent a brief period of my high school years being pretty strongly hopefully not a jerk about its King James only you and the school I was attending that time they were very gracious about that view and I picked that view it from them by trust in what I was told.

But over time, my viewpoint has changed so that I now see the King James as one among many good English Bible translations that we have very good. Well this is interesting because my instances of interaction with King James only people can be quite intense at times, and I'm curious for those who didn't grow up being taught. King James only what the basic arguments that are made in favor of saying we should only use the King James. Well my parents happy to clarify that they were never King of the national radio need to make sure to say that my home right at what the fall and again I had the very best of King James only of them. I really think I did and so I got the very best argument that they haven't. And personally, what I would call the best argument is let's all be really careful and shaking up the church, when everybody uses a common standard Bible translation.

There's a certain level of healthy trust that everybody shares and in my book I write about the benefits of Scripture memory by osmosis. When everybody's using the exact same wording you start to just pick up phrases from the Bible. I think that's a great thing. I think however mainstream King James only use them today has recognized that it can't make exclusive claims necessarily. For the English translation. It instead tends to focus on the textual critical issues. That is, which Greek and Hebrew texts did the King James translators use and in and further they focused really on the Greek New Testament the text disrespect is that the is the text that was used by the King James translators and what the King James only movement today tend to say is that the very best text. It'd be traditional and preserved word of God and we should only use translations based on it and pay it just so happens that the King James is the only good translation based on their typical argument right now. This was the Texas receptors when you're talking about.

This wasn't this the one compiled by Erasmus back in the 16th century.

Originally there were different editions of the Texas receptors, but yes basically it comes from the actual critical work of Erasmus okay so now what is the argument in favor of saying we actually have better bases for the newer translations than we do for the King James because I've heard a lot of discussion about that discussions about dynamic equivalence translations versus the and word for word. How do you deal with the text issue of the accuracy of modern translations of the Bible as opposed to the King James because that's what it comes down to for a lot of Christians now say you know they took this out of the modern Bible and this was in the King James so clearly if you're taking it out your tampering with God's word and the other side will say we took it out, because that's not in the earliest manuscript. So how do we delve into that issue and understand it better fantastic question and I chose to take a new tack on that question in my book, which was basically this okay if you want to argue and this is an important argument to have about you know which Greek text you with which manuscript of the Greek New Testament best reflect the original writings of the apostles, the how can you have a responsible view of that topic. Well, of course, like anything you need to read up but anybody who doesn't read Greek necessarily is taking their view on that topic from an authority or multiple authorities.

They by definition cannot look at the evidence, because as everybody on all sides of the issue agrees that evidence is all written in Greek, so just as if I for example took a strong view on which ancient Chinese texts of Confucius were the best manuscripts of Confucius. I think I'd I'd like to think I could distinguish my view from that of the scholars on which I know whom I'm trusting it and and therefore when when lay people to whom God has not given the opportunity you're calling to learn Greek are arguing back and forth online about which Greek texts are best. I want to say hey stop stop minute. This is actually an argument about which authorities are worth trusting, you know, is it DA Carson you know who wrote a book on plea for realism.

Back in 1978 about the King James only movement or is somebody like DA waiter Peter Rockman on the other side and that's a very different discussion and I think you know that such a hard discussion how people's emotions are so inflamed about this. Let's set that aside and for the purposes of my book. I said let's talk only about something that all people who can read this book, understand, and that is English my book authorized the use and misuse of the King James Bible focuses solely on this issue. Should we be reading a vernacular English translation of the Bible, a contemporary English translation of the Bible. That's the issue.

Well, that's a very important issue because the degree to which we can understand the Bible is the point of reading it. If we can understand that we can't very well and we can memorize it.

But if we don't understand it.

It has limited effect.

So what where do you come down on this issue of the vernacular of the man on the street being able to read the Bible and his own language. That's understandable and how that fits into the King James Bible debate well I think that this is the way to sort of shortcut the emotional debate you know I understand. I love the King James to I think that some of the King James only folks out there may have trouble believing that if they hear that I'm criticizing their view at all because this is such an emotional issue, but it's emotional for me because these are the words I grew up with.

I associate them with God's speech I get it, but where I come down on the issue. Vernacular translation is where Paul comes down and for me.

If there's one thing that you know I learned the most from my own studies to write this small book. It was this insight that first Corinthians 14 ties ratification to intelligibility. Now Paul is speaking about speaking in tongues and those would be totally different languages. However, I think that they, the principle applies here because there are many words in the King James that everybody recognizes. We don't use anymore be some be bold, be Ray, those are just some bees know all throughout the alphabet. We got different words that are just dead, not in English anymore.

I and should we have a translation that uses unintelligible words I say. According to Paul well know. And then there's this additional problem.

What about words that have changed their meaning in the last 400 years words that I call my book false friends. So for example you have to read the book to get the insight on what this actually means. But when the Bible says remove not the ancient landmark remove doesn't mean the same thing you did 400 years ago or but God commended his love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, etc. the word command doesn't mean what it used to mean or the word halt how long halt ye between two opinions of things of change so I'm able to encourage the use vernacular translations without blaming the King James translators. I'm not saying they did anything wrong. I'm saying only that language has changed in 400 years in ways that modern reader should not be expected to keep track of yes and that's a very interesting point because if you are reading a word.

For example, and I especially like what you said about these false friends when you look at a particular word and you immediately go to the 2018 interpretation of that word. You may not even recognize that that's not what the Bible is saying, in which case it's really messing with your understanding of the tax lot more to talk about what to do so with Mark Ward when we come back talking about his book authorized use and misuse of the King James Bible you're listening to Jennifer today will be right back. When Julia ended a bad relationship she found out she was pregnant after the father told her to get an abortion. This mom was confused and didn't know what to do or who to talk to. I just got an abortion broken.

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We are back on exam after today. It's great to have you here. Great to have with us author and blogger Mark Ward authorized is the name of his book the use and misuse of the King James Bible were talking about the us of this great translation but should we still be using it as the only version of the Bible that we read and memorize. He is arguing now because when we look at what these words sometimes in the King James Bible indicate to us, we may have a misunderstanding down the other issue Mark, here's a question for you when you talk about words that are contained within the King James Bible. For example, you say there a lot of words that have just fallen out of favor we don't even know what they mean for the King James only defender. Sometimes the response to that will be well then you should look it up now.

Just because you don't understand a word doesn't mean that we shouldn't use that Bible translation that we might have to look up a word that appears in in another translation of the Bible. Why is that an argument what you say to those people. Well, I would first say that I said the very same thing without thinking years old and I am not arguing that we should come everything down in our cultural heritage.

I think that Bible study is hard work, and that I work for an e-book company I work for face life makers of logoff Bible software and I look things up all the time and I meant.

I encourage the people in my church when I teach Sunday school and preach to do so as well.

But I my heartbeat is derived from that of William Kendall. I was William Tyndale in a school play at my King James only high school back in the late 90s and I got to see these words here many years I will cause a boy the driver with the plow shall no more the Scriptures and found us and hear you speaking to some Roman Catholic cleric and that is still my heartbeat. I want the common man to understand. So the question is not should we put a burden on and understanding of the Bible does put a burden on people. Peter said that some of things Paul wrote are hard to understand whenever to make the Bible easier for you to be faithful but are we adding unnecessary difficulties and burdens to Bible readers by insisting that the that they read the Bible in an English that no one in the world speaks or writes anymore. That's my argument right now know what the thing so I'll throw this into the mix. Just because it's something that comes up in my life on a daily basis.

I get frustrated I use a lot of online Bible passage look up during the course of the day when I'm preparing for my radio work and one of the things that happens to me. Often times, as I'll end up with a translation, in which there into the gender neutrality, which drives me crazy and and this tends to me.

Another argument that King James only people will say you know what, you don't have to worry about that stuff when you read the King James.

You don't have to worry about bringing the gender madness into the translations and you know making sure that you say they instead if he or or you don't.

Making things more gender-neutral. What about that issue. Well, how it is that how you deal with that.

Are there better translations of the Bible that you think are better than the King James in terms of understandability but are not messing with that particular issue there faithful to the old way of speaking as the Bible originally did I think there are two question wanted a simple yes I mean you pick up your new American Standard Bible, and it's a translation into contemporary English and it still uses the masculine gender pronouns just the way the King James would I think I think the second answer is that we really do need to ask ourselves, we need to understand not only what God originally said in the course of the most important thing we need to place those words an actual contemporary English. There are some instances in which if you specify a masculine gender pronoun people are genuinely confused when in doubt because English has changed over time. Maybe that is because gender revolutionaries have changed it, but I've been carefully observing even conservative. You know, Bible believing people like myself for complementarity and how do we use English and I want to give the opportunity to trusted teachers of the church to make a careful assessment of that and if it if English ever does change. We do need to keep up with that I don't Bible transition should be on the cusp of that change and I think it should be trendy or faddish. I don't think the Bible should say I know right you know like Scott 118, but I do think we want people to read it and and note and not notice the language at all you know they don't want to. I want them thinking about when to the sling which come from. I just want them reading and focus on the content you I think that's a separate issue.

It deftly needs to be discussed, but I think the big issue for the my King James only brother. The brother and sisters whom I love is can we use a vernacular translation into contemporary English of whatever Hebrew and Greek text you prefer, yes, but now her to the other issue. The deeper issue on that one question which is is it tampering with God's word to come up with all these new translations because they'll say there are all these new translations in their these thought for thought translations and there are some word for word translations and those are better, but then you have some that are just awful because there just put in story form or what have you. At what point are you tampering with God's word.

How would you deal with that issue of this fine line between doing a translation that's in the vernacular versus tampering with the original text I have used all of the major modern evangelical English Bible translations are going on about 20 years. In my personal Bible study. When I was 18 or 19. I can't remember now.

I bought a comparative study Bible that have them all laid out in a four different translation. The big book I just got in my office now and what I found was over and over and over again checking the multiple translations from the more formal or literal to the more functional or dynamic helped me understand and I do. I'm a very conservative Christian. I went to Bob Jones University and got a PhD there I try to live a holy life.

I'm not a gender revolutionary by any means, and I've always felt like a lot of the issues that people bring up to complain about the new translations just they feel like red herrings to me because I just go back to the many times when the new international version of the new living translation the English standard version American Standard Bible at all times. They helped me understand so do I think about educated do I think the Christian should be educated about gender in translation and about the basic differences between dynamic and formal literal translation. I think they should be.

I think pastors should do what I did in my church and that is to jump in theology in Sunday school and therefore equip people to take up the riches, the embarrassment of riches we happening with Bible translation okay once you know about these gender issues. The vast majority of what the even the today's new international version does have nothing to do with gender.

You can still get benefit from the work of these Bible translators who are just trying to teach the Bible to the church. I do think you will need to be educated but I don't think they should be scared.

I think that they should take up all of these riches now.

Do you think so when were seen all these different translations we all run into this problem. Going to church.

Some days where you have maybe the NIV in the pew, but you brought your ESP. The guy next to Brett then asked me the guy next to him has the King James and the pastor has the common English Bible. Let's just say that to throwing out there so everybody open your Bible to first Corinthians chapter 1614, let's say I wait a minute, we all have different words and so the King James only people say see you need one because the Bible has its authority chipped away when you have all these different translations you can all come together and read the same verse. What about the practical use of the Bible in the church when you have so many different translations that seems like an argument that's at least worth responding to that. It is frustrating when you have so many translations that everybody has a different verse to to look at when you're reading the Bible and church sure this is a Prudential question that I would want to leave up to pastoral leadership. However, if you know what the pastor gonna do nowadays. Check people Bible translations at the door to bring their phone and have all the translations and partly of my companies fault. Okay, a lot of Bible software can give you dozens of translations on your phone and I use them while I'm in church listening to my pastor and yes I mean can confusion happen. I think so. The very few times when I've seen confusion happen by the fact I love this. There's a lady that was a very faithful Bible student.

Just a quote on quote Sec. of my office job I used to work out, but she would come to me with these great questions.

How come the Spanish Bible says this English Bible says this and every time it was a great learning opportunity. I think that if you come across differences like that. It's a great opportunity for your curiosity to be a roustabout Bible study and for gifted and train pastoral leadership to help you. Another thing I'd say is that my good brothers and sisters in the King James only movement the mainstream.

They are trying to distinguish themselves from the views of the Peter recommend that you may be familiar with say that the King James itself is inspired yes you know and and perfect. However, if you insist on the use of only one English Bible. What tends to happen with only people who haven't been given opportunity to study Greek and Hebrew in God's providence is that they associate God's authority. His ultimate authority with these English words and are they God's word, yes.

But we do have to add in so far as they are accurately translated the ultimate locus of authority in the Christian church.

Are these inspired Greek and Hebrew originals and using multiple Bible translations in church is a way of reminding people hey were not claiming the Bible never claims of any translation is perfect.

In fact, throughout the history of the church of Dustin Miles Coverdale, who finished William Tyndale Bible translations have said the same thing the King James transited the same thing they would provide multiple translations in the margins or people I covered it with a check multiple different translations and in the checking of the mall you'll you'll get all the meaning that the inspired writers of Scripture had to give you. I think it's healthy to use multiple translations.

I'm not worried about the confusion. I think the confusion can easily be answered and that will help people Bible study very good. Well obviously you take advantage of all these different translations to learn as you said and cross connect and compare and contrast what about your favorite Bible translation. Do you have one that the 12 $54,000 question of sound very impressive anymore due to elevation 64 to billion dollar question. Okay, so I wrote a blog post for the logoff blog couple years ago which Bible translation is best and the subtitle of that post was my answer all the good ones. I tried when I was early in seminary to figure out okay, which one is best to ESP which had just come out or the new American Standard, you know, and those still are two of my favorite and I made this careful chart you know comparing them and contracting them and reading them different readings all over the Bible until I finally got to point where realized their neck and neck. And why would I want to best ones when I'm using them both and profiting from them both wrong question we need to get a useful translation sounds good. Will the name of the book authorized Mark Ward with us.

Mark, great to have had you here. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you all right take care this Janet met for today podcast is brought to you in part by Bible league international. We want to send 1500 Bibles to Africa through Bible leaves open the floodgates Bibles for Africa campaign five dollars cents one Bible and a matching grant will double your gift call now 800 yes word 800 yes word, and here's your hold Joe back and it is a difficult thing when you're stuck in a job you don't like your job, you don't want and Christians have aspirations toward a better career or better opportunities but don't worry, know how to get there so working to get some help on that today. Joining us now is Robert Dickey the third. He is the president of crown and a career advisor has also served as a decorated Air Force officer and he is here today to talk about having a biblical worldview on work as he offers us some advice on how to have a more satisfying career. His book is called love your work for practical ways you can pivot to your best career. Thank you for being with us. It's great to have you honor to be in your program. Absolutely, you know, I think this is so important and I wanted to start with a very important aspect that you dress in the book and that is the biblical worldview of work. I think there are a lot of Christians who say one of my work has any meaning I'm out of work really matters. Work is a curse, if you go back to Genesis. But what would you say about how to approach the biblical basis for evaluating your work like to go all the way back to Genesis and remind folks that there was work before the curse. Before the fall. Yeah, take a look at it you know it's very clear in Genesis, God was the first worker. He took great joy and pride in his work.

He rested from his work and then he was the first employer. He hired Adam to do a job or he created Adam to do her job and he made him a steward in the garden and gave Adam great responsibilities and work was very much a part of Adam's identity in his relationship with his creator God work changed. Obviously, after the fall, but it still very much the work that we have even to this day the work that you and I and everyone enforcement that we have that we do very much a part of our identity and part of our relationship with our creator God. So I believe that we are called to love our work and do our work joyfully under the Lord through the work of our hands. It's when we are in alignment with God were doing what we've been created to do that we can have impact in the world. We can have impact in our communities. I think the world needs more people who are fully engaged and excited about what they're doing and realizing that what their work. Their job is bigger small. It's all important.

God lives and that we all have an impenetrable deployed in the world around us yet. That's very, very good. So when you look at the job prospects that people have now obviously we have an economy that is shifted from agrarian to industrial now or in the global economy what sorts of challenges would you say are out there right now for people, especially young people getting out of college and trying to start out and you know I used to be. You'd wait around for the gold watch and work.

One place for 40 years. That's not really the case anymore challenges are meant to highlight many of them as possible in the book what would happen if we have an old economy.

As you mentioned about dying in a new economy that is being completely reborn right in front of the world is changing at a rapid pace while more quickly than ever, ever have in human history. What's happening is it's making folks feel uncomfortable. We were seeing the pensions when I asked whether I speak in Hong Kong and Taipei or them over in Europe are, no matter where I'm at globally people on Main Street in those communities have the exact same issues and what what we need to do is we need to understand old economy may be dying but as the new economy is being born.

There's all sorts of new opportunities for us to take advantage of.

We just have to pivot those right streams, those right areas of opportunity there's a way to do it. But if we cannot consistently try to play the game by the old rules were to fail and so some of the new rules in this new economy is we have to be willing to multiple times in our career all young, millennial's coming in today do not have one job and retire after 40 years that General Motors or GE have been yours from 8 to 14 different careers in their lifetime, and some of those careers may not overlap.

There may be gaps in employment resolve during the last recession. Some people were out of work 36 months all the way up to a year before they were able to find work against we have to engineer our life different. What we have to look at things differently so that we can have success in this new economy.

They said something very interesting there, because normally when people talk about how many different jobs you have, you know may be saying you'll have in a number of jobs over the course of your career, you use the word careers. So is that implying that in the course of working a lot of millennial's will slip different industries or possibly two completely different types of jobs, not necessarily all in the same industry absolutely you'll find watching people who work in the automotive industry better pivoting into technology of people who been in sales in one particular industry. They're moving into the healthcare realm.

So what's happening.

If there's underlying skill sets leadership abilities.

The ability to problem solve and think critically but there's underlying skill that can transition into a multitude of different industries. So just because you're the automotive space and you hear about automotive jobs that are being moved overseas are companies that are downsizing.

You don't have to be looking for work and that Dr. how you could be looking for work and leveraging your skills leveraging your abilities but think we know what I shoot.

The technology sector is booming. I hear that green energy is booming. All these areas would be great growth for the next 20 years out of a dying industry into an industry that can have a lot of growth and were watching people do all around us. And so that's one of the things that I recommend and kind of from the practical principles I try to highlight in the book. Yet now you talk about the different points at which she would pivot if you pivot early in your career if you pivot late in your career. It depends obviously on the individual and the situation. What would be some of the different circumstances in which you would advise pivoting early as opposed to pivoting light would be no matter where were at with in our career. I've seen folks help folks who work baby boomers who were in their 70s had to make a pivot for aunt encore career audit have the enough retirement savings and they made adjustments and changes I see young millennial who picked a college degree or they pick the career path based on what mom or dad, you know really pushed them into all this is going to be exciting work on, but I love it. They didn't like.

All I hated a misaligned I'm not doing really what I'm gifted at I need to completely change my watch and I've seen of millennial's work in the legal career field and pivoted into ministry work and vice versa annulled by pastor. What a large church in Michigan and he was like you know I feel it God's calling to serve in the legal profession.

He pivoted and that so regardless of age, we have to be ready and willing for those opportunities that come our way. A lot of times it requires us to add some new skills to get a little bit of retraining but one of the things that I share with folks is that when we are in that phase. A lot of times people have this understanding, deep down that they need to make a change, but they're so afraid to do it in the most important thing is to take that first step. Once we got a good game plan had wise counselors. Don't be afraid to make that step because the people who do the folks who make that's definitely it assures that all sorts of new opportunities and new chapter in their life and I have not met a person yet who has made a career pivot boy that was a mistake. I wish I hadn't done it.

What you think you need to keep in mind though if you're going to take a leap for example, you think about some of his, maybe 40 and says I'm kind of in the middle of my career. Now do I make a big leap.

Do I dial back to.

I try to find an applicant an opportunity within the company where I am working right now and try to move up high you advice on many to make those sorts of decisions stay put or make the leap of faith into a new opportunity very first thing I asked folks when they approach me up about making wanted to sleep. Why do you want to leave the motivating factor here hear something that's very important.

It is important not to run from something, but to run to something. And a lot of times people who were in the midst of a career transition if you really drill and do it like I hate my boss right don't like my job or I wish I was making more money. Others source of conflict that those are things that people are running away from as opposed to there being a great opportunity that's in front of them that the running to and so sometimes one of the best pivot that we can make the pivot this day I have a whole section in the book regarding that.

Like sometimes the greatest opportunities for us are making slight adjustments in staying with the organization but opening up new opportunities right where were at Mel.

Sometimes we might be in a career field that is dialed Satan industry. We know that it's on the downward slope. We know that with regulation or things are happening those jobs are going the way we want to move into a different sector sector of opportunity and growth with those individuals that will first of all specific with your midcareer. If you have a spouse, your spouse has to be on board with you. This is not a decision that you make a black box by yourself. Make sure that you are you that is just a second. We have more to talk about what we do need to go to a very quick Frank Robert to get the third love your work is his bus and will return right after this, this is Janet Matt for it for Bible league international engaging the world with God's word for more than 80 years, believers in Africa are hungry to read their very own Bibles hear from Pastor Jeremiah in Zimbabwe. The charges clean very fast in the north part of the country where it's on the speaking people in Zeus became pupil and then you know we find that is the movement of the wood is the way that hung all around us. Pretty much the support if you can imagine 10 Christians right now in many places in Africa. On average, nine have no access to the Bible hears Lillian in Mozambique went to the house because of him. Up until they tête-à-tête about 100 people and the possum Bible was the pasta but everybody else had never seen a Bible and that fuses motivation once more to do more to reach as many people as we can know where going to go there. Just take the letter .3 Bible studies and resources that introduce people to Jesus Christ by the leak is faithfully discipling new believers in Kenya, Donna, Ethiopia and many other African countries hears an evangelist named Joseph in South Africa. We were even the lead they is about 66 to treat as a soul clients it melts down and she tried she didn't have 60 she never had a Bible so much food feeding just to see people like dressing. When the Deb items you can be the answer to a Christian praying for God's word through open the floodgates Bibles for Africa. Five dollars sends one Bible $50 sends 10 and a matching grant will double your gift and help us reach our goal to send 1500 Bibles. Call 800 yes word 800 Y ES WO RD or there's a banner to you're listening for today talking about some practical ways that you can pivot into your best career. It really is the case that we have meaning in our work as Christians, and the name of the book were discussing his love your work by Robert Dickey the third we're talking about making career changes and especially those who are in midlife. Do I leave just because I hate my boss or I hate what I'm doing. One of the things you mention is that if you leave you want to go to a better opportunity but you definitely want to make sure that your spouse is on board wanted to let you pick up on that side. The very first point that I counsel folks to make sure that you have a spouse make sure they're on board as a team effort when you're whenever you're making that a career adjustment.

Secondly, you know the Bible says that there's a wisdom in a multitude of counselors and I've counseled multitude of people where they've had this idea, and it makes a lot of sense. But one day when they start to ask other people why what you think your mentors and advisors people have different perspectives so make sure that you have counselors that are giving you some wise counsel in helping you make this very important decision another another step in the process is truly understanding how God made us and wired a lot of times will have people that are midcareer and are unhappy with their job or they may need a better opportunity for their family and their picking job that they think are good be exciting titles and positions that they think they're going to bring fulfillment careers that might offer more income and when we make decisions based on those metrics alone. A lot of times work and end up being miserable and not being fulfilled.

That's fine for not living in God's alignment, but if we truly understand how God made us and created us and we pick a career that submit in alignment with that. Now we know we can have ultimate success like I encourage people to take a career direct assessment and truly understand the unique skills and passions and values that God's given you, and pick a job and a career that's in alignment with those those things you touched on something that I think is worth talking about a little bit.

One of the things that they can often make somebody want to leave or absolutely leave is having a lousy boss somebody who's either incompetent or just has a horrible personality or is mean or tyrannical are all these boss were stories that you can hear but on the other hand, if you're working in a company of any size boss is coming going. You could maybe go to another area of that same company do the work you like and escape that one person how much do you encounter people leaving jobs because they didn't like the boss happens all the time I hear a weekly basis story was like I got a leave because of this personality conflict. A lot of times it's what the boss many times it's with a coworker. One of the things I always remind him of what a relationship is 50-50 if you're involved in a relationship. Your 50% of the problem or your 50% part of the solution but look at if you don't learn how to deal with those of those conflicts running away from it, especially early in your career, you can end up running into those exact same situation somewhere else so look at sometimes we we need to look at those those conflicts are those obstacles that might be in our way and realize hate this is an opportunity for me to grow. This is an opportunity for foot for me to be reflects my muscles for me to be able to learn some emotional intelligence people skills, especially for young people.

If you can learn those skills early in your career, your to be leveraging them through your entire career. It really is a make it or break it aspect for many careers as you rise in leadership and influence within the company.

More and more people are saying. IQ is not a determining factor in success is actually our EQ, our ability to deal with people to communicate to problem solve and so I really encourage folks early in their career grow those muscles grow your emotional intelligence and self your face with one of those problems. Don't look at it as something or run away from, but actually great opportunity that God may be placing in front of you to be able to grow that skill set right. You never know you talk about the four career quadrants, which I found to be very interesting, reinvent, reject, or repurpose, renew, what are you talking about their what I found. It chatted with people around the country and around the world that we all fall within one of those four career quadrants on what we aspire to what everyone aspires to be in the zone of renewal. This is where we have high opportunity and we have high probability of success at high passion. Passion for what were doing in high opportunity for achievement and success of within our career. Now if we find ourselves in that zone. If we don't do anything. We just can't sit there and we are or lethargic and were not continuing to add skills and increase in our value the world cannot pass that spot so it's really easy for us to fall out of that zone so it takes work to stay there now. There may be people in the other three quadrants of one of the ones that we find, especially around 2007, 2008 during the great recession was the zone of not renewal but it was that the that the zone of restructuring people found that they had a high passion for what they were doing but it was low opportunity like boy the world has changed. I no longer have this opportunity at this investment banker. This company their downsizing their off shoring. I really like what I want to do, but I'm just gonna have to move somewhere else in the economy. So there's an ever so slight or adjustment. So maybe move into a similar type of role or similar type job in a different place within the economy onto there's a whole series of practical application and steps for us to be able to slightly re-vector in our careers at the same time, people who there's there's folks that need to know repurpose themselves so maybe they have a great deal of opportunity where they're at but they're no longer passionate for theirs realize what God called me with something else that's called me something more to like I'm being called to do something different and so they completely all repurpose their life and in the in my book. I chronicle them.

A young man who was attorney and he was about ready to be made partner and in right you walked in that very morning of the know what I'm turning this down if you like God's calling into full-time ministry and he went into the seminary at Baylor University and that he is now a pastor having a great impact and so sometimes we need to completely repurpose ourselves end of the final zone is the zone of reinvention and risk sometimes can be the most challenging. But this is a place where people will find themselves or like there's not a great opportunity and there are no longer passionate for what they're doing. Sometimes people been fired from a job, or the company is going out of business and they wake up one morning like you know what I just need to completely reinvent myself. I want to go on a completely different direction, and it may seem like it's it's it's challenging. It's hard but there's a way to do it and it may take a little more work than the other two zones that we just talked about, but the folks that do. I've seen success after success where people of been in one sector and they've been able to move into a new sector that gone from the automotive space in the healthcare space.

They've moved into technology space as this is where you rebirth a brand-new career I've watched people even late in life, a late late stage baby boomers. I mentioned that earlier folks who want to have an encore career, so reinvention is something that we all need to know how to do because we may need to do that within our work in our life exactly the resilience factor is so key, so when we talked about this. Just a few minutes ago about you know having these transcending career skills. Things that you could apply in a number of different industries. For a lot of people say I don't know what the skills I have are. That would be something I could use in another industry.

In other words they don't see in themselves what might be valuable in another career. How do you guide people along those lines talk about it that you have to know yourself to be able to lead yourself and so if you don't know what those things are.

It is so important for you to sit down and take some type of an assessment of your abilities, your values, your passion, your skills and to truly know what your strengths and weaknesses are. It's one of the reasons why I highlight multiple times throughout the book for folks to get a career direct assessment that I think it's one of the best tools for you to take a deep dive assessment of your skills and your abilities and so now that you know what those are your able to say here are the areas here, the career areas where I can leverage my abilities and have the greatest opportunity for impact and for success, but some of the one some of the skills that is.

I've been interviewing CEOs around the country that are timeless that I think all people can be working on and add these to their repertoire of first of all its work ethic and hustle. We work ethic today is just not the same as it was an generation or two ago absolute and people who have a strong work ethic. Get to work and that they vacant their dependable their trustworthy and they prove themselves in that manner.

They rise to the top of every single organization and people are looking for people strong work ethic, a couple other ones problem-solving. There's a big difference between an employee who comes to work, sit down wherever they're at and waits for the boss to come and tell them hey here's what I need you to do versus an employee who has situational awareness and said I would start solving problems of the organization.

I would think a couple of steps ahead. I want to solve problems for my boss absolutely no such good tips and I think all of this is so important, especially as we're considering that whatever were doing is Colossians 323 says, working at it with all our hearts is working for the Lord for human masters with the name of the book is love your work Robert Dickey the third with us, it was wonderful to have you here. Thank you so much for being with us you so much can you take care. Thanks again and thank you for tuning in today to Jennifer today will see you next time last this hour, Janet met for today has been brought to you by by police international five dollars since 150 and a matching grant will double your gift yes word yes

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