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March 23, 2021 4:30 am
This Janet met for today podcast is brought to you in part by Bible league international. We want to send 1500 Bibles to Africa through Bible leaves open the floodgates Bibles for Africa campaign. Five dollars sends one Bible and a matching grant will double your gift call now 800 yes word 800 yes word is our confidence is in Christ alone is the word of God says that I sort of an Albert Einstein once said, education is not the learning of facts, training of the mind to think that why is it that the American educational system isn't turning out more critical thinkers. It's a very important question were to talk about it today with Dr. Stephen Perlman. He is a critical thinking expert and educator, has worked in higher education for 30 years and is cofounder of the critical thinking initiative as well as the author of the book will be discussing which is called America's critical thinking crisis, the failure and promise of education and welcome Steve.
It's great to have you with us.
Yes, I know that it's difficult sometimes to give a really perfect definition of this phrase, critical thinking, how do we best define this when were discussing critical thinking, what are we really talking about the great question. One of the challenges with so many tutors whacked functional, but because it is so good I think. For purposes here today. Any mix of things like problem-solving and logic, decision-making, evidence-based thinking, and so forth are grid cognates for an overall conception of critical thinking of the challenges. By the matter how we define it in terms of research schools are not thoroughly producing well they're not and I think many of us who've gone to the educational system can attest to that. I don't remember ever having a course in logic. For example, but I can see why people would need to have a course in logic, especially today when you're watching the news. But why is it that we need better critical thinking education in our system.
What is the benefit of having critical thinking skills when you get out of school will open up Forbes magazine or the Wall Street Journal without seeing some executive, some CEO who is clamoring for colleges to produce students who can think critically because they need right now in the corporate world is rolling. The military talked about our graduates who can think critically and pick on their feet boat child who no longer the acquisition of data which it used to be. 10 years ago in 20 years. It was getting an update. Now we will have people to know to do with how people can identify with the next problems are going to be himself for those problems at a time and to make matters worse. This is not true. Globally, there are other countries in the world that are far ahead of the United States in terms of starting to train their students from grammar school in critical thinking skills like yeah you're right and I know there are many many people in America who do value critical thinking education and skills.
Why are they getting at, what is wrong with the education system such that were lacking that kind of critical instruction to coin a phrase. Great question and for so I want to say very importantly that we never blame educators.
Educators are often want to want to change and be able to adapt to new ways to teach critical thinking. The central problem is that first role the technology in but I don't mean to be little technology in terms of methods for teaching critical thinking can really exist for very long time people and figure out what that really involved and what mechanisms actually teach it for the brain of your Dell figuring that out. The second problem though is that really we have an educational system that's predicated on the acquisition of knowledge that we learn our facts.
We learn information we read things to understand what they say not to question what they say so on and so forth. As a result of that we have a whole populace of people who are not trained how to critically analyze things that are going on the world how to anticipate problems because they have been habituated to accepting knowledge within them that given to them by the school system and that's not healthy.
It's not this is kinda strange how is it that we came to believe that it's just the transferring of facts are sitting there for an hour and 1/2 and listening to a lecture.
Maybe if your neck at academic setting at a college or university and that is what we call education rather than teaching people how to think. Why are we not understanding this, I mean certainly cultures way before ours understood this fabulous question and I felt are two factors directly from one of the factors that it educational system started from a dramatic tradition of lecture. There was very limited knowledge to be no right have been building up books on it, so there was a literal someone who knew those things you could lecture them out to a group of people and those other people would learn them and I was the only way to do it and there was only a very limited amount of dollars to begin with, so could you learn everything about a field through a series of lectures by an expert on around the turn-of-the-century the previous one. The Industrial Revolution on.
Unfortunately, our government made the conscious decision to go back and read what Secretary of Education had to say about me because conscious decision to have our schools train people to become and factory workers, and so that's how the times are regimented. The subjects are distinct, but what they said was that we teach people to have creative, interesting thinkers and so forth and not train them to listen to authority and follow the clock will be very unhappy lives when they go to work in the factories so they decided to actually create what is relatively oppressive system of education as a result of that loan that is disheartening when you put it that way because of course that's that's for a lot of us to hear. That makes us think will wait a minute were not robots were not trained animals and certainly would come along way since since that time. So what, now what do we do now when that mindset is still with us, not even turn around or begin to turn that around. It's very challenging to change it because educational structures are built so deeply at my colleague and I tried very hard to adjust those structures so that educators have the capacity to teach differently which many educators very much want to do but then they will say things like, well, wait a second I have to get through this amount of material this semester. The street have to learn the number of things in the high number of things this semester and then we have to have a conversation with. They will do two things on that first told why do they really need to learned how much of that they really need going forward because we know, for the most part I don't recall most of what school none of us to the second question is why is the presumption that there is only one way to learn it and there are other ways to learn things that we learn things through a critical process we learn, the more deeply that information persists for a longer period of time, and so on. So we can just change the process of actually achieve stronger outcomes in terms of how much students learn how deeply we learned it's just that people don't perceive it that way, they think of.
There's a battle between your teaching them knowledge or teaching them. Yeah, right about that. So you know what immediately comes to my mind is the Socratic method, and people will go back to that where you ask a question and the student is actually thinking through it by having to answer the questions and I've seen that employee here and there when I think back on my own education but can we go back and learn from people like Socrates or other thinkers in education, you know, going back to the trivium for example with grammar and rhetoric and logic and those sorts of things and employ those kinds of methods because I know in some circles, you do have a return for instance of classical education because people are dying for more rigorous kind of curriculum that would employ critical thinking and I think some of those moves are steps in positive direction.
Something like Socratic to them in the classroom does get students to think about what we want everyone to understand what's so critical for us is distinction between getting used to think teaching them how to think, yes, and that's where we do our work is that we don't just encourage faculty to get students thinking which they might have done already in terms of presenting your Russian or you in class is actually teaching a process for how to think through any problem and how to and we teach faculty how to assess it so that were not assessing them based on how much they know were sitting on how well do your thinking well that's good and would you have different parameters. For example, when you're talking about younger students versus University students. Clearly there on the not on the same level bite when you when you're talking about teaching a student how to think, is that is important in your mind and should it be as rigorous when you are young, as when you are older and about to get out of college actually should be what we will find the complexity of the task or the situation. Obviously changes when were younger or older were not people have very young kids reading Plato or Shakespeare dealing with this complex business problem, of course, but what my call you. I discovered ultimately is that the thinking mechanism is the same no matter what age we are.
We have a neurobiological method for thinking of our brains that works and that we apply to every situation that were to become aware of what train it and refine it in order to improve it much likely might have a natural ability to run and become an athletic runner the mile or or or sprinter you train the same thing happens with respect to our process. We all have a natural method for how to do it. We just barely aware of what it is training. What, let's pick it up on the other side. Dr. Steven Perlman with us America's critical thinking crisis is his book will come right back. I disses Janet Matt for on a 100░ day in Ethiopia Africa.
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He is cofounder of the critical thinking initiative and author of America's critical thinking crisis, the failure and promise of education and Steve we were talking right before we went to the break about the fact that now we have these methods that didn't exist for a long time pertaining to critical thinking and teaching people how to do the critical thinking skills that they're gonna need in life. What you learned in one of the statistics and then you know the research what is it all say about critical thinking and how to impart it will perspective the outcomes are horrible. Can't find any studies that show that colleges college students more than 1/3 of them some critical skills but most favorable study that we can find some larger studies show that 5% of college students graduate with legal thinking skills and yet very horrifying and some studies even show the critical thinking skills diminish over the course of college and improve which is the most terrifying idea of all is so in terms of how to teach it really what it requires is a shift to some different teaching methodologies really involve using problems as incubus for the learning experience from start and assessing students not on what answer they come to exactly about because most of these problems that we could confront students with don't have direct answer to how we solve racism. While there is no one simple answer to solve racism and it's not about just how much you you know about it is about. However, learning to assess them on the thinking process on how well they presented idea on the complexity of that idea on the logic of that idea and so forth, and therefore we have a way to standardize that and we have a way to assess what naturally occurring in the brain as well as for them to improve so moving to different teaching methods that can occur in the same settings that we have nevertheless also improve critical thinking skills.
Now this gets back to something that you address which I think is very important when you talk about what our definition of education is and you discussed. For example how education suppresses critical thinking. There are so many things going on in different schools.
Nowadays you think of in the younger grades teach to the testing now and that doesn't really leverage critical thinking or look the lecture system in college but but education it's self. Can you speak to that issue of what education ought to be, in general, that we need to wrap our heads around what were doing here in the first place to be a matter of moving away from information and moving towards complexity problems, fuzziness, greatness in the world and contending with that and that means that we need to have a standard by which we can assess how well humans can reason through those thing and not by the outcome again this early, but by the process we have to allow students. This is actually critical to allow students a mechanism whereby they can create bad answers and incomplete solutions we call would call this falling forward or failing forward and enable them view capacity to fail to regroup and come back again because there's an interesting little part of our brain called the amygdala when the amygdala gets scared shuts off our prefrontal cortex and switch controller higher order and one fortune. What happens when we are confronting students with high-stakes situations where one failure can have great consequences were actually shutting off their capacity to thinků They don't want to. If there were actually literally cutting off their brains capacity serve a fight or flight. We need to relieve that pressure from our students and we need to give them the opportunity say look your billing confront you with this issue. You come up with an idea and is knocking to be enough, it can be great the first time ever to go back and give you some advice. I want you Going again to be okay if I can affect your grade and that is one of the key things that we need to do to start to allow the brain of the student to function in the academic environment that you read a lot of stories these days because were living in us cannot cancel culture mentality. A lot of political correctness that sort of thing you see stories all the time of students like in college is saying I I you know express my opinion and I got marked down because the teacher was of a different political persuasion and didn't like what I had to say to me when you have that kind of environment, at least in some schools.
How do you change the mindset how you deal with the underlying mindset that at least some educators have that if you don't agree with the teacher on the teacher's opinion then you're going to get Mark down that it would seem that fight or flight would kick in and that circumstance absolutely America great question and there is some about that happened in classes and learning just that future expressing a different political opinion or something like that. It's very often that we don't echo what the educator said about you how to interpret this poem or what have you that were going marked down as well. And students truly know that there are some about that happens out there and most don't want to do it, and sometimes they do it unconsciously and some spackle. Do it intentionally and very know a lot, don't do it at all, but, but what we can do with faculty.
When we train them as were able to save them. Here's the standard by which of the means by which you can assess what you know how the caliber of what somebody said and their thoughts on this issue and it enables them to step away from that sort of subjective scale, but they have in their head that might even be implicit in the subconscious and start using something that's more objective so that not everyone knows what those rules are so that the students feel freer to communicate their ideas know the basis on which to write you going to be examined as it should be right and so that takes the pressure off every body in that scenario. In fact, one of things we talked about making a distinction between opinions and thoughts and we tell students that no faculty member really cares about their opinion at all it should work defining opinion estimates of personal preference, personal taste right.
And so personal traits might be your favorite color.
No one cares about your opinion on any given subject matters in the port but thought it thought of something that always comes out of evidence says you're able to make a logical step out of evidence, then you have something relevant that we try to keep the game going down. Would you actually recommend having logic courses taught in schools. We recommend critical thinking courses be taught in school.
We think logic informal logic should be portion of those larger classes but critical thinking is a lot more than just logic.
Unfortunately, that section where one of the missteps you spend out a lot of institutions or educators feel as though if they just teach logic taught students how to think, which is necessarily true. Might've taught them how to spot or avoid some logical fallacies but not thinking of teaching them how to solve problems that make sense that make sense.
So when you are teaching those who are educators to incorporate critical thinking and impart critical thinking skills to their students and in what form should it be taught it.
As far as which classes because there are lots of different subjects out there and it's hard to imagine in some classes you know it being a little, it would be a little bit harder than in others.
So for example like if you're in a in English class. How do you encourage critical thinking, how would you teach your students in a different way than often English students are taught to get their critical thinking skills up to speed, great question and there's actually some debate in the field of research and critical thinking that field so you can be different in English to be in the chemistry class in the classroom but what we determined the breakthrough that we made is realizing that there is a neurobiological foundation for thinking and all of us and it doesn't matter what class are the matter. If you're an English class or drooping that what does change courses is the content changes context changes right examining the Shakespeare play is not the same thing is looking at the moment in history was a different context, but the process doesn't have to change and we know that we can get students to practice the same process, whether they are in English class, or whether they are in the class of the class.
After that, then we know that there thinking skills can really elevate because now are not confronting them with different intellectual challenges every time.
In terms of different kind of thinking we confronting the same one and they can practice and practice the track to get better at it and educators like that because imagine if you were teaching juniors and seniors and they had already had two full years of critical thinking training. By the time they reached your course.
Think about how much more you could do with somebody would be doing the mother what that would be great. Does that necessitate a lot more interaction with each students when you were up in front of the classroom.
It does we we really encourage students to become the more active voices in the classroom as we try to tell educators and it's essentially true. There are some exceptions to this, and so forth. The more they're talking the left. So certainly requires giving students the agency to engage the problems to engage the ideas to try to figure things out and the teacher serves as a different role rather than during the song and dance in front of the room all the time.
The teacher serves as a resource and support system for those students that occasionally no teacher something more directly and identically, which is also important at times, but the percentages shift erratically in the other direction.
SOMETHING else you said in your book Steve, which I really appreciate it if you stress the importance of writing how important writing is to actually developing critical thinking skills talk a little bit about that. If you would because I think people can really wrap their heads around a little bit better when they realize you know they're putting their thoughts down and and codifying them rather than just having a mishmash in their brain writing really helps that process we have no better system for assessing how will thinking and for teaching writing because are required in order use evidence are able to anticipate what their audience might think about what they're saying and all those concerns of objection complexities as well as real way to look at what somebody thought and considered ourselves for a long period of time, not just off-the-cuff is my conversation, so writing is such an essential tool for us and being able to teach students to write how to think critically, provided that the right for a method that the thinking method and not right. Is there typically taught to write which is often now to regurgitate you about your five paragraph essay. It's an idea it's three pieces of information or three sub ideas man there out, but none of that's really dating a bunch of information usually or summary yes very good. While great book America's critical thinking crisis by Dr. Steven Perlman. It's been great having you here. Thank you so much Steve for being with us. Thank you so much. All right you take care you listening to this Janet Mefford today podcast is brought to you in part by Bible league international. We want to send 1500 Bibles to Africa through Bible leaves open the floodgates Bibles for Africa campaign. Five dollars sends one Bible and a matching grant will double your gift call now 800 yes word 800 yes word today and here's your host Joe well it was wonderful over this past weekend to be with the great folks over at answers in Genesis, at the women's conference where I was privileged to be able to speak and talk about biblical discernment combating the father of lies and to all of you who are able to calmly just so enjoy the weekend of fellowship and being encouraged at you. It's kind of funny because when people come to a conference. Generally, you think you're the only one. His can be edified, but in fact I always find every conference I go to is a speaker, I get so fed not just by you know having fellowship at the other speakers and being able to interact with them and be able to pray with them and and encourage one another but also by talking to the attendees so is just a wonderful time and were kind of playing catch up a little bit on some of the news. Just because I've been out of pocket for a few days but I just want to again thank the great people and answers in Genesis for wonderful weekend.
That arc is something else to tell you that Ark encounters really something else wonderful time but I want to catch up on one particular story actually coupled stories, but I'm to get into as much as I can during this time that we have here and I want to talk a little bit about this gunman, this Robert Aaron long 21-year-old from Georgia who is now charged with eight counts of murder and you recall that he was the one who went to these Asian spies and as it turns out he was a member of Crabapple First Baptist Church and Milton, Georgia according to the Washington Post that church has now excommunicated him. They say that he is no longer considered a regenerate believer in Jesus Christ certainly understandable why they would say that and they voted to remove him from the church's membership following an hour long service dedicated to the eight people.
He is charged with killing at three Atlanta area spies last week.
Now our hearts are filled with so many emotions with grief, anger, sadness, emptiness, confusion. This was from the associate pastor Luke Folsom in a prayer before a crowd of about 100 and no other appropriate remarks. What really bugs me about this story is, is the murders first and foremost clearly, this is just unconscionable what this person dead. But what really is bothering me. After that is how I am seeing people even who are professing Christians on the leftward trajectory.
As you can imagine going around and saying that because this young man had apparently struggled with sexual temptation and sex addiction and pornography addiction and his motivation for going into the spies and murdering these eight people, most of whom were Asian women was because of purity, culture, and the church that somehow purity culture in the church, the teachings of the church, not just his church, but evangelicalism in general trying to say that you should flee sexual temptation that somehow that was what sent him over the edge, utterly reject that.
It makes me really mad actually matter than I thought I would be because I'm kinda used to the leftists and evangelicalism doing every thing that they possibly can at every turn to try and slam conservatives or anything related to conservative biblical theology date they never miss a moment or an opportunity to go off on conservatives. Somehow it is the fault of conservative Christian churches for teaching that you should be pure until you're married and they should flee youthful lusts and that you shouldn't fornicate you shouldn't commit adultery and you should stay away from pornography. I like to ask some of these people who are complaining about this exactly how would you have solved it in your church. Should we just not talk about those things in the church is that didn't really work very well either did it and it just a lot of bitter people. Unfortunately, there are some people who had bad experiences in their churches or their mad at their men may be mad at her father Amanda and ex-boyfriend are mad and an ex-husband and some man did them wrong, and so I just it makes me a little crazy makes me a little crazy because I really don't understand what it is they expect churches to do, you're really in trouble. Either way, aren't you as I'm imagining for myself. If this church had not done enough to talk about the evils of lost since sexual immorality, then with the same people have turned around and said you call yourselves Christians and you didn't do anything to try to correct his thinking and Bob above about luck. Here's how it goes in churches today. Churches are very much into many instances a come and go scenario where you don't necessarily know everybody that well and you can only know somebody, to the extent that they're involved in the church and you are interacting with them on a regular basis such that you can get a grip on what kind of mindset. They have anybody can go forward in a Baptist Church receive Christ and be baptized anybody can say yes I'm transferring my letter from another Baptist Church or whatever it is, and most churches will just take you at your word and some churches will have an examination by the pastor or maybe some of the elders or church leadership.
Let's make sure he's really Christian or she's really a Christian, but it's not a perfect system.
Folks, it's not a perfect system and for those who just immediately jumped to it was the church's fault. Oh yes, we do believe it was really the gunman's fault, but it's just in some way the churches fault I think are off the rails. I think you're off the rails. I'm looking at this one article here. This is from a Notre Dame professor because who understands this scenario better than a Notre Dame professor's name is Michael Ray and the fact that he's writing over at salon tells you a lot about them to salon is about as far left as you can get. Listen to this headline evangelical theology. The poison of white male supremacy and the Georgia spa killings right conservative American evangelicalism he says is steeped in the male supremacist ideology of complementarity and is him a worldview that, among other things, asserts male privilege. Val rises male aggression and identifies males as the ones most fit for leadership and authoritative teaching that this represents a corruption of Christian ideals and that many of its recent excesses are a faithful reflection of what one might call the evangelical cult of masculinity has been amply documented in this book. In that book and the other book in some of the ways in which these same ideals of masculinity are deeply intertwined with white supremacist ideology are documented.
Traditional Christianity neither preaches nor condones acts like those perpetuated by the Robert long's of this world, nor for that matter.
Just conservative American evangelicalism blocks. There's always a but it is both historically and philosophically na´ve to ignore the conceptual links between the white male supremacist ideologies that have long permeated the evangelical tradition and a wide range of atrocities committed against women and people of color. Actually, I utterly reject it because what I see is we have double standard in the leftist world where when you talk about the slaughter. Let's say in a gay nightclub in Florida a few years back under Pres. Obama. Back when we had more terrorist attacks.
We were not supposed to talk about is some because we didn't want to pain Islam is somehow being anti-gay that would ruin the leftist narrative because only Christians are anti-gay and it was somehow Christian saw there were people at the time who are blaming that on Christians to the Christians at the Christians had nothing to do with the gay nightclub slaughter, but still there were people trying to link that slaughter that mass murder to Christianity there is nothing these people are shameless. There is nothing that they will do that surprises me. Here's another one. This is from religion news service for all your leftist evangelical bashing go to religion news service how pleadings sexual addiction protects evangelical men. Given Long's exposure to Christian porn addiction recovery rhetoric, it likely contributed to his claim that his out-of-control sex addiction fueled his atrocious violence eight which is making it up this point just making it up so even if he went to try to get help, which he apparently did for his loss in his temptations. Somehow that's evangelicalism's fault to the recovery center where he went to try to get help. It's their fault to you can't win with these people and even Rachel Dan Hollander who came to everybody's attention because her testimony led to the conviction of that serial abuser Larry Nasser the gymnastics doctor.
She spoke out about the objectification of women in evangelical spaces and she tweeted out as they point out over religion news service again that the suspect in the killing of the eight people, a white Southern Baptist male.
She said, blaming women for men's temptation, she said, is a tried and true evangelical posture and she tweeted this is happening in your pulpits and your seminaries in your counseling programs. It is in your marriage books your books on womanhood and manhood. It is in your counseling sessions or he could be just crazy if you guys ever consider that he was a one off.
Do you see 99% of the people in southern Baptist conservative Southern Baptist churches doing what that man did or is alleged to have done no is it possible that everything is not an instance of a bigger narrative.
That's the problem with all of this journalism so-called that is being put out there all the time. We also will always have to find the bigger story, sometimes the bigger story isn't there.
It's just one evil man, one really evil man, and potentially crazy man who is now going to be tried for murder as he should be. Don't blame the church. The church was teaching the right things and if somebody sends what's the church supposed to do about that.
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It was all having to do with his struggles with sexual temptation and in a moment of insanity. He just thought well if I get rid of the temptation then that'll solve my problem.
Well, I really doubt he's evangelical church was teaching him that just go out in dual way with the women yet that's what purity culture teaches not at all and and like I was saying before, I don't have no idea what these leftist evangelicals would like the church to teach it. They think that purity culture was somehow responsible for motivating this crazy person to do what he did in any case I go back to the Washington Post story about this excommunication of Robert Aaron Long from Crabapple First Baptist Church in Milton, Georgia, and they do mention that he had been at HOPE class. This was in both 2019 and 2020 and evangelical treatment facility specializing in sex addiction and pornography addiction as well as gay conversion therapy. There's no such thing as conversion therapy, stop that facility is less than a mile from this Asian spa which was the site of the first attack and they bring in all this stuff experts this week has said the mentality Bayless described this is one of the people in the article is common within evangelical purity culture which teaches that sexual desire outside of marriage is sinful and those who fail to control their lost are sometimes considered sex addicts.
Okay let me just point out for a minute.
Sex addicts are nowhere in the Bible. I'm not saying that there are people in the church will use that psychological term sex addict. I myself would be less inclined to use something like that and just call it what it is, which is sin. Everybody struggles with sin that the minute you try to turn everything into some kind of a psychological problem. You take away some of the moral responsibility and that you know there's a fine line. I'm not saying that there are some disorders that need to be dealt with but that when I have a little bit of a problem with so we'll see what happens with that. But white male supremacy.
Blah blah blah. I'm just not buying it. Just I'm just not buying it.
Sometimes people are just evil so it just gives the left another occasion to kick churches are right I want to get to this story to this is from Christianity today.
I try not to read it. But in this case, I gotta tell you the story to hear what they're doing over at Wheaton College. Oh my word, and a plaque in their chapel at Wheaton College honoring Jim Elliott and the other missionaries who were murdered in 1956 by the awk Indians in Ecuador very famous story through gates of splendor.
Elizabeth Elliott's famous book talking about how her husband was martyred in these other Christian missionaries by this tribe out in the middle of nowhere and then she went back in and with her daughter and eventually they were evangelized and many of them came to know the Lord and it's a wonderful wonderful tail, but now you know the woke have gotten a hold of it and we just gotta rectify all these terrible injustices. Here's the story more than 65 years after two of its alumni were killed in what became the most famous example of missionary martyrdom in the 20th century. Wheaton College wants to tell a better story to honor their work. Wheaton Pres. Philip Reich and announced this week that a plaque honoring alumni Jim Elliott and Ed McAuley along with Nate St. Roger you Darian and Pete Fleming has been taken down from the campus chapel while a task force meets to suggest new phrasing to remove the word savage. That's why they're taking the pack down Elliott McAuley graduated in 49 they were killed after making peaceful contact with this indigenous group in Ecuador and in the classmates donated the plaque. After that, in describing the tribe then called office, which means savage in the lowland language. The plaque reads for generations all strangers were killed by these savage Indians that's with the pensive contemporary accounts of the mission now refer to the tribe by the name they called themselves why Ronnie in his email statement Reich and said the term savage is a pejorative term that has been used historically to dehumanize and mistreat indigenous peoples around the world any descriptions on our campus of people or people groups should reflect the full dignity of human beings made in the image of cop you taking down the plaque to Jim Elliott because the word savage is in it to know what the word savage actually means. Look up the word savage look of the word savage. It's a completely good use of the word, and by the way, didn't Elizabeth Elliott write a book called the savage my kinsman guy just saying here you're gonna take down the plaque or were there people out in this tribe who were still living there today who were horribly offended by the plaque which is been there for now 70 years now know nobody from the tribe so far as I can tell cared at one whit it was about a dozen comments from students and members of the campus community. So apparently the woke on the Wheaton College campus were offended by this 70 years in and decided to make a big deal about it and they quote Joseph Moore who is the director of marketing communications.
They say that they received about a dozen comments about the plaque and he said the president released this statement because the plaque had been temporarily removed, and leadership.
One of the campus community to know about its review rewording and return the change comes at a time. Christianity today says when Genesee Christians are rethinking the church's historical approach to international missions.
Fantastic. Great. This generation is going to teach the old generation of missionaries how to be better missionaries to be kidding right because Wheaton is going to produce the next Hudson Taylor Jim Elliott okay I would love to see that last year Barna study found that 38% of the adults under 35 agreed with the statement in the past missions work has been unethical, compared with 23% of older adults missions work has been unethical. What's because it's colonizing y'all it's colonizing. It's horrible the rewording of the Wheaton plaque also reflects how the narrative around the Ecuador missionaries has evolved and they point out that through gates of splendor, was written in just eight weeks and submitted right before the first anniversary of her husband's death and in subsequent writings, a live Elizabeth sought to dispel the idea of the why Ronnie is wild savages and Americans is the great saviors through her third book, the savage, my kinsman, don't you have to cancel that book as it has the word savage and it I mean I think Christianity today should be picketed because you ran this book title in your story and pretty soon indigenous peoples around the world are to rise up or at least a couple dozen people on the Wheaton College will campus are gonna rise up and get offended by Christianity today.
Okay mean just carry on.
Then it goes on to say several evangelical institutions have taken the opportunity to quote unquote do better in the ways they remember their missionary past. He tired of this stuff so tired of the stuff and you always have to do these caveats. Yes, it's true that there were certain times in certain ways with certain people, where the missionary task was not fulfilled perfectly these people to stand in judgment of anybody when I think about some of the greatest missionaries I know when I served as a short-term missionary myself several times you're going out on the mission field. You have great expectations and in many cases when you're going on the mission field is a full-time missionary you're raising your own support you're giving up your home you're giving up your livelihood and you're going overseas in your sacrificing something tremendous because you are called to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ into church planting because you care about people on the other side of the world who don't know the Lord and so you're sometimes when you're over in some of these foreign countries, you're in great danger you're putting your life on the line. In some cases, some of these missionaries as we know have been arrested and thrown in jail and in their been all kinds of things that have been suffered by missionaries from the United States not because they want to colonize anybody but because they want to obey the great commission and who were these woke 20-year-olds sitting around and judging all former missionaries is a bunch of racists and out a bunch of colonizers.
We need to do better and we need to go back and we need to who these people to sit in judgment on any of these missionaries nobody's perfect and III just see increasingly with this woke movement that you have people who basically done nothing in their lives. Yet passing judgment on some really great people in the past who are not at all guilty of what they're charged with, which is your bunch of colonizing racists.
It's simply not true in most cases I can't speak for every missionary who's ever been sent to another place in the world but there's just such a premise of guilt that is put on everybody.
If you use the word savage, you're just being dehumanizing or there's another likelihood if you're using the word savage to describe tribes that are so remote that they're not at all civilized, because they been so cut off from the world.
That's actually a proper use of the nomenclature of the word savage. That's what it actually means.
Now if you don't like the word savage. You can petition the with the Webster's dictionary people and get it removed and put it was to put something in there, that's a little bit more palatable and in about five years, a new generation of students are to come along who are woke are then you are and decide that your chosen word is now offensive to them and we can just keep this up for a while and accomplish nothing now instead of worrying about one word on a plaque. How about you concentrate at Wheaton College on spreading the gospel. First and foremost to your students and then encourage them to go out into the world and spread the gospel all across this earth to people who do need to hear it. The main work that were about and whining about this word or that word just seems like a really big waste of time. Thank you for joining us to leave it there will see next time right here listening to Janet effort to this hour. Janet today has been brought to you by finally international. We want to send 1500 Bibles through Bible leaves open the floodgates Bibles for an Africa campaign dollars since one Bible in a matching grant will double your gift will now yes word 800 yes word