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Can the Southern Baptist Convention be saved from its internal corruption, lack of transparency and progressive drift? Randy Adams, executive director of the Northwest Baptist Convention, will seek the presidency of the denomination in June. He'll join me for a conversation on his plans to address the crisis in the SBC and help return the denomination to the Bible as its sole and final authority. That and more on Tuesday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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If your freedom loving American looking for contract free healthcare call now 855-585-4237 or go to liberty, health share.org/GMT for more information liberty health chair.org/GMT Javid River. Today, our confidence is in Christ alone, the word of God says that soy is as we discussed last week, Southern Baptist convention resident JD Greer really stirred up a hornets nest with that speech he gave to the pensions executive committee not only did he call his conservative critics Pharisees who are can in some way apparently to terrorists, but he stated without revealing any evidence that there are closet racists and neo-confederates and SBC churches. It was just outrageous and points out exactly why the Southern Baptist convention needs new leadership and coming up in June that is going to happen when the Southern Baptist convention gathers to elect a new president, among other things, at its annual meeting and that new president may well be my next guest who is being nominated for that position. Randy Adams is a former pastor now Executive Director treasurer of the Northwest Baptist convention, and he has rightly said that the Southern Baptist convention is in crisis and now he's calling for the walls to come down in the denomination which he refers to as walls of secrecy walls that enable corruption and prevent transparency walls that conceal failure and walls that protect abusers and wrongdoers from accountability. So we are just really glad to have Randy here to explain more about his serious concerns with the state of the Southern Baptist convention and the plans he has both for accountability and for its renewed mission with the Bible as the sole and final authority on all matters. Randy so good to have you with us today. Thank you very very much for being with us. Thank you Janet it's a pleasure to be with you the opportunity. Well, it's my pleasure to have you here. First of all I I am curious for your reaction to what JD Greer had to say before the executive committee last week. A lot of conservatives are very upset. I know the conservative Baptist network called his remarks needlessly divisive. What was your reaction to that speech yet. I was sitting in the room listening to live and I have much the same reaction that they had in any time you make an accusation like that you want to back it up with specifics, with actual evidence. You know, broad generalities in guiding a group of Turkish nominated denomination of churches without specific evidence of strips uncalled for and divisive. So yes I I I agreed with their consensus opinion on that is interesting because one of the things you've written about is the email here Greer was calling for unity. There was a lot of talk about gospel unity and that sort of thing. But you said that calling for unity without rebuilding trust is manipulation and I said that's a perfect description of what I think that was for a lot of us who aren't Southern Baptist watching that speech. One of the questions I had. Watching it was why do this at a time when the Southern Baptist convention is just torn asunder in so many ways.

Why stand up and talk about unity but spend a lot of the speech kicking your critics without any evidence for what you're claiming I don't even understand the motivation there will I really don't either. In fact I wrote those words before his speech because of notice that a lot of our leaders are calling for unity and it is apparent that we are in crisis. And when you're in crisis and in your you're saying things splinter you know often band between leaders those in power call for unity in the course.

What they really mean is, follow me all my leadership and interest struck me that if you're going to call for unity or plea for unity without rebuilding trust.

I'm in unity requires truth requires trust and without that it is manipulation trying to silence voices when you call for unity is what you're doing some critic. You're right about that.

You are absolutely process and I think you're right. We have a lot of those calls for unity. Can you talk a little bit about the crisis in the SBC as you said will thing that really motivated me to allow my name to be thrown in the hat is for the last decade we've experienced the worst decade in our hundred and 75 year history in terms of advancing the mission of God, and that's really what my concern is on the past Roman evangelist.

I lead out in planting churches and in and I've been involved in gospel work all the world so really it's the mission of God in advancing that mission that most concerns me and that's what Southern Baptist were founded to do was to take the good news of Jesus Christ to the nations and throughout our country and were not doing so well at that end in 2010 we made a choice to become more top-down, more centralized hierarchy in terms of how we do our work in North America and it's been it's been a colossal failure.

So, for example, our baptisms have decreased more than 100,000 per year were baptizing roughly 350,000 a year in all of our churches combined, and now we drop to 235,000. As recently as 2019 five lowest years in baptisms and Southern Baptist churches since 1947 have been her last five years, the same way with church plants were planting far fewer churches and spending much more money to do it in our giving through the cooperative program or cooperative mission giving is way, way down from where we were even 10 years ago and of course we had 10 years of economic growth up to the Kobe crisis and yet are giving to our mission.

Enterprise is down from where we were 10 years ago. So those were the things that really motivated me and I felt I saw what some of the reason for the client is what what some of it is and really assist centralization approach taking charge from the national headquarters and basically dictating to those on the field how the work to be done is that affected your convention. In particular, will it affected us greatly at its affected all of us. So what would happen is North American Mission Board has reduced get reduced spending through state conventions and local associations hugely. So we've lost all will probably 1,000,000 1/2 dollars something like that in the last eight years giving the money is one thing but what what it really representatives New Testament missiology always puts the emphasis on the implementer so the person on the field and then the person closest to that person on the field we we developed overall hundred and €75 a network of churches, 47,000 churches and a network of associations so that up until the last decade every church, no matter how large or small, no matter where they were in the United States. They had a person that they could go to sort of representative. Southern Baptists are and that person was a local director of missions and then beyond that it would be in local, state convention employees.

Almost nobody knew who the national leaders are at least you didn't have a personal relationship with them that has been dismantled that system of local relational relationships, especially outside the South. We no longer have the state record submissions like we once did in the local associational missionaries like we once did.

So we sort of dismantled that that whole system, which means we have far fewer boots on the ground to serve our churches to start churches and so that really and that's cutting it in the weeds little bit but but that centralized Pro if it's sure to be like if Washington DC dictated all 50 states how to run their state and then normally the states, but the counties in those states.

It just wouldn't work very well. We believe states ought to call the shots as much as they can. And I think that's the way it should be in the Southern Baptist convention that the national entity should resource the work of state conventions, but the decision-making ought to be kept as close to the field as possible.

Seducing decentralization if you were elected president would be a difficult process to implementer. Do you think that there is no support within the convention and people would support that idea that you're proposing is making sure that the state conventions have more local control. I think there's a lot a belief that we need to go back more to local control.

I think I think the majority would say that the vote was close in 2010 to centralize as it was, and I think at the boat been divided back than that part of the recommendation would in the past so I do think we can we should do that and we can do that and I think we would have the votes to do that and to give us an example. For example, I'm in Washington state and are convention territories, Oregon, Washington and North Idaho will when people think of Washington they think of Seattle. Seattle definitely controls the politics in Washington state. Spokane is not Seattle and Wenatchee is not Seattle. And so it's the people who live here know best, where God is at work and you know what's happening in it and and for example we have towns in Washington state. Strangely enough, that are more Christian than towns in Texas is that so yeah I'm a week we go with that one small town of 750 people in which the first Baptist Church of sport has 400 people on Sunday 3:470. Unbelievable.

Truly remarkable.

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It's a very interesting situation, especially in light of the speech that was given last week by the current president JD Greer who really was very very divisive and there are some very big divides. As you know Randy in the Southern Baptist convention. There are a lot of Christians who are concerned about the progressive draft about the promotion of critical race theory that culminated in the passage of resolution nine and all of the fallout from that you even begin to go about potentially addressing the divide ideologically in the Southern Baptist convention and in you also have along with that, I should mention a lot of people who are really upset with the ethics and religious liberty commission in the leadership of Russell Moore what what are some of the proposes that you might have to deal with that will financially I think we need greater transparency and finances, and performance. We need accountability when our bylaws are violated, and when our guidelines are violated in one harmonious, misspent, and we need to expand participation in the Southern Baptist convention so that more of our churches can participate. For example, right now, annual budgets and the trustees, and everyone's voted on at a national meeting a lot of our churches have four churches 170 and below, and so on. So one thing I'm proposing is that we have off-site remote locations in which to participate in the annual meeting a lot of powers would behave that idea because you can't control it as much right, but I think if we expand participation toward smaller churches in our churches more distant from the annual meeting location that will get a better idea of what Southern Baptist really believe and that will bring into line. Some of the discordant and left-leaning things we've seen happen in recent years, so transparency. For example, get you that you in money, if you look at our church planting budget. For example, last year we spent $69 million in church planting. That's the only number we receive $69 million.

How that how that number is broken down in terms of how it's actually applied. We don't know we have very little transparency and finances. You may know that we have a entity leader of likely Christian resources who when he left his position.

He was given $1 million going out the door by the trustee chairman. Yes, and a vice president of life way no other trustee was even informed that the trustee chairman gave him $1 million going out the door now. That kind of I would say malfeasance.

Evidently they've done an internal investigation which they say that there's been no illegality but it's just not right doesn't pass the smell test.

And so we need transparency and we need accountability for things like that that we just don't know have and I think those two things and then expanding participation tomorrow. Churches will help keep us clear up some of the leftward drift because the average Southern Baptist person out there is not JD Greer.

You know, nor is that average person. Some of the others are calling the shots. Right now they just don't have much of a voice and you take vacation you have spent a lot of money to travel to Washington or Maine or Texas even to go to Nashville which is where annual meeting is this year so I think that's a great idea.

I've heard a lot of people say they would really support the idea of having off-site location so more Southern Baptist could participate in the annual meeting and still it makes no sense in the age of zoom why you couldn't do it. I think that's that's a really really good idea about things that have been launched.

I'm thinking in particular of something like the caring well initiative and this was supposed to be the big effort to deal with sexual abuse and then people were commenting all of her social media. Hey wait a minute, then you had JD Greer hiring this Brian Lauritzen now this can be an investigation because of how he handled sex abuse and was this whole thing just a façade come down on that issue of dealing with abuse in the church, and sexual abuse and and victims who are really feeling like the churches, some of them at least to have been involved in some of the stuff have betrayed them yet another reason for them to feel that way. The situation with bridal written JD is just baffling to me because JD sort of took the point where it seemed he did on trying to bring some correction to our churches, but that had sexual abusers and man in his own church, they attempted an internal investigation, and quit bit failed and they admit that was flawed and after seven months. Never have an external investigation. So I think we one thing. What if we learned anything in the last couple of years with sexual abuse and sexual scandal.

It's the churches cannot investigate themselves. We need to have outside investigations when there is wrongdoing.

The other thing was Southern Baptist.

All of our curtains were autonomous and so requiring the reporting of a church is very difficult, especially if there's not laws broken, but I do think that one thing we can do is establish a system in which not only Southern Baptist churches but all churches voluntarily submit information on on abusers and I'm thinking of soap. So for example I had a situation among staff.

The first time this ever happened a few years ago in which I had a person was committing acts of immorality was nothing illegal, but it was immoral and so what I did is I informed every pastor and every church in our convention of what happened.

We put it in on her online publication in a print public publication because I don't want that guy going to another state and and we know getting on staff in a church without them having some opportunity to discover that through a Google search or something such as that I wanted to exposed as widely as possible and II think we have to do that. I think the days in which pastors or staff make a mistake you know commit an act of immorality in one church and are allowed to secretly leave that church so as not to create scandal in that community. For example, and then they go and abandon another state or even another denomination. You know sometimes we have guys who migrate between denomination.

Some of these abusers do, so I just think we've we've got to do better, to establish a database of abusers and then we have to establish a culture that out when it happens yeah doesn't allow abuse to be kept secret and silent theme.

It seems with everything that you're aiming to do if you are elected president.

You just want transparency you want to deal with the corruption open openly and honestly and something else I wanted to ask you about. I know we don't have a whole lot of time to get into all the details of the North American Mission Board. One of the things that came up recently and I know you know about this was the North American Mission Board came under fire for some of its church plants that were revealed to have had women pastors on staff, which is on biblical and also a violation of the stated beliefs of the SBC that faith Baptist faith and mission. What what is your reaction to that what the world are they getting away with this, the North American Mission Board is planning churches with women pastors in violation of the stated beliefs and it has to come to light through bloggers.

I'm not really sure how that works. Well, that's a great question, Janet, and that's why I appreciate people like you because honestly Baptist grass is the PR organization of Southern Baptist. Yes, we do not have a press at the national level there a marketing arm of SBC either PR and so we need others to act to report on things like this and how to get away with it. I really don't know. We found a church just recently also that had a brewery in California have their own brewery. Now it was claimed that there were not receiving funding from them.

And that's probably true, because are not a church plant. However, they do have the houses that Mam purchased for them that church planters, their training can live in, and they do training advanced with their church and whatnot. Well when that was discovered just a few weeks ago Nam scrub their website. I understand of any information about that church, but I just hate it just blows my mind that things like this keep popping up seemingly without accountability rights well into way and quickly to another incident that came up in the last year or so and there's been a lot of upset about it, rightly so, was what happened at first Baptist Church of Naples, Florida, and how there was supposed to be this effort to elect an African-American pastor and the congregation rejected him, not because of his skin color but because they did not think that he met the qualifications that were listed for the senior pastor's position which was true was objectively true, but they were labeled as racist and people were thrown out, and I guess even some leadership in the SBC had tried to influence the hiring of this pastor. How would you clean that kind of situation up well again that a local church and so local churches were autonomous they can do what they want, but the way it was reported and and there was some involvement again by denominational leaders and I'm going on memory now far enough back. I don't remember all the details. I do know that a staff member with the North American Mission Board history, interim pastor and there was some involvement with Nam and that church but I don't remember the details.

I do recall, however, that the pastor that was recommended to them. The African-American gentleman. He wish he actually had some social justice type you just did not meet up with what the church what many in the church believed this and that was the issue they had with him.

It wasn't the fact of his skin color. It was it was his viewpoint to political and theological viewpoints that cause them concern and so is a story was told it was made to sound like they were. They were racist and what I remember and recall it wasn't a racial thing. It was what his actual views were on subjects that concern them. That's right.

And and and his qualifications. You're right about that and I think you know the time has really come Randy, I think, to have somebody come in and clean house in a no not not in a heavy-handed way obviously but to call for this kind of transparency all because as Christians it's about following the word of God and living godly lives, and it seems like that's a lot of what is just driving you to take these positions as you seek the presidency. As I've said betimes, we don't need a president who is a cheerleader for the SBC. We need a president who represents the churches of the SBC to our national entity and hold them accountable to do what we've asked him to do to live by the governing documents to working in cooperation with our churches and our inner conventions and so that's really what I think is needed now and that's why I threw my hat in the ring or my hat will be thrown in the ring because I think we need a reformer and we need someone who bring these kinds of changes very exciting will be very, very interesting to follow what happens from here. Randy Adams.org you can read his great blog Randy, thank you so much for being with us. God bless you.

God bless you Janet, thank you so much is my pleasure. Thanks again Randy.

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I want to talk a little bit about where the equality act is headed. It was no surprise obviously late last week when the House passed this although it was kind of interesting. Fewer Republicans voted in favor of it this time around, as opposed to the last time has passed it to me. We don't want any Republicans we don't want anyone in the Congress passing this thing. It's a monstrosity it's horrible I don't have enough adjectives to adequately tell you how horrendous this piece of legislation is that will criminalize Christianity get into that moment but maybe you had the opportunity as I did to hear what representative Greg studio, Florida had to say when he was addressing from the house for this equality act, legislation, and I really appreciated how bold he was inciting the Lord, but boy did this thing go terribly wrong at the end when representative Jerry Nadler weighed in. You gotta hear this for yourself, listen to cut one is not clothing or personal style that offends God, or rather the use of one's appearance to act out or take on a sexual identity different from the one biologically assigned by God at birth and his wisdom, God intentionally made each individual uniquely either mail or female.

When men or women claim to be able to choose their own sexual identity.

They are making a statement that God did not know what he was doing when he created them. I'm going to quote directly from Dr. Tony Evans commentary Bible in this passage of Scripture. Men and women equally share in bearing the image of God, but he has designed them to be distinct from and complimentary toward one another. The gender confusion that exists in our culture today is a clear rejection of God's good design. Whenever nations laws no longer reflect the standards of God that nation is in rebellion against him and will inevitably bear the consequences over jumbos. The house will be in order.

Jonathan, I'm going to read that line again. Whenever nations laws no longer reflect the standards of God that nation is in rebellion against him, and when will inevitably bear the consequences. And I think we are seeing the consequences of rejecting God here in our country today, and this bill speaks directly against was laid out in Scripture our government through this bill is going to redefine what a woman is and what a man is, it can be anyone who identifies in the gender. Mrs. still be what any religious tradition ascribes is God's will is no concern of this Congress Jerry Nadler everybody God's will is of no concern to this Congress.

Yes, representative Nadler, we noticed that's the entire reason why somebody needed to stand up and say exactly what Greg still be just said the congressman is right. The fact that we are now to a place in this nation where we no longer can tell the difference between male and female, and you have people from box like I mentioned in yesterday's program saying that Trump claims that transgender males are by our transgender women are biological males claims. We lost our minds and it isn't just the fact that we have congressman needing to say that we are in rebellion against a holy God.

It's the fact that we have to grapple with this whole losing our minds think it's way beyond just being in rebellion with our minds.

I can't think of any other comparison in the history of mankind, where you have had seemingly intelligent adult speaking fluent English saying things that are so dumb and and asserting things that are so provably false and then trying to do cancel culture on people who will dare to speak the truth. I can't think of any comparison to where we are now in terms of this kind of rhetoric, Oberg fell. I still haven't recovered from Huber to fall decision because it is beyond just wrong. It is senseless. It is anti-biology.

It is anti-reality. It is to fists in the air to the Lord, not just one, and I'll tell you what what really needs to be read in the halls of Congress is Romans chapter 1 and I'm in a start with verse 18.

I never tire of reading this passage by the way, so I hope you will listen to it for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them. For God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made so that they are without excuse. When he pause for a moment, God made male and female. If you were to sit down at the dinner table tonight with 20 people you didn't. Now you would be able unless things were really off the rails to go around the table and say male female male male female male fiend. Why because it's clear and obvious, almost always, who's male and who's female because that's the way God made them an hour in an age where sometimes you have to pause and say not sure looks kinda like a man now mammoth hair llama to could be a woman who just had her hair, and I don't about the lipstick is that the now what were getting confused because people are doing so many things surgically to themselves that sometimes you have to do a little bit more investigation, but you are without excuse if you're looking around at what has been made and you are suppressing God's truth in unrighteousness. You are without excuse going on for even though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchange the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures image. What is a transgender woman or a transgender man but an image. This is Gnosticism folks. Make no mistake about it, the idea that the body isn't what counts it your spirit that counts to any time somebody talks about my truth, my identity, I'm on a higher plane.

It isn't my body that is revealing to you which sex I am.

It's my own inner sanctum that is revealed that inside deep down in my sacredness. I am a woman not your dude your man what you talking about see this is when you start worshiping an image you've exchange the glory of the incorruptible God for an image going on. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity so that their bodies would be dishonored among them, for they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the creator who is blessed forever on then, and for this reason God gave them over to degrading passions. For their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural and in the same way. Also, the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper in fields with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil. Boy, that takes on a new heel doesn't it disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful, and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

That's where we are. That's where we are living out. Romans one. How in the world to reverse this. I don't know, but for the grace of God you can't you just can't.

And all you can do at a time like this is tell the truth and be insistent about telling the truth. Did you know I was reading this article here how to pass the equality act in a tide Senate and the good news, at least for now is they don't have the chance of getting this to the Senate because they need 60 votes which we were discussing last week, but this piece over the hill by Tyler Deaton, who is not necessarily a household name. But Tyler Deaton is Senior advisor to American unity fund, a national conservative organization advocating for LGBT Q and religious freedom can have both Tyler Tyler's whole thing is one maybe we need to do this freedom for all legislation we need to have this kind of compromise where you will give reasonable religious freedom. He actually says the word reasonable reasonably reasonable people and reasonable religious freedom. No Tyler were not doing that.

And by the way, you're not conservative you not conservative. Game over.

We are not going down that road. We better not go down that road because all they will do is say okay will give you a little bit of religious freedom in exchange for everything we want for big gay and then what are they do they turn around and then they strip you of your religious freedom.

After they get there equality act passed no way no how. The time is now for the United States and this you were the really clear thinking Christian and and moral citizens of this country to say no way is this legislation to pass no way do we want this law in this land. No way, and were not compromising the answers now stay with us will be back on Jennifer today fellow Christians are suffering in Africa hi this is Janet Mefford, pastor luminal ministers in Mozambique near the Indian Ocean. He's been beaten and jailed.

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And this is the power of the Internet, you can watch people's cell phone videos of what actually happened.

You don't have to just rely on the news organizations to write it up in such a way that you will miss all the good parts watch the videos for yourself. Here's what happened.

You had a his city Jewish family. I guess there were there was a big group of them but there was one particular Hasidic Jewish couple with a baby and they got on a Frontier Airlines flight and they were kicked off and this whole thing was found. You can watch this online I would play the audio but there's just a lot of noise. It's not really. You can't really hear anything there in the back of the plane and all of a sudden there turned around and you're here clapping, and you hear laughing and they get off the plane and then people are yelling there's all this chaos and here's what happened multiple people on the record and I'm gonna play some of their comments for you said that the Frontier Airlines staff on the airplane applauded and exchanged high-fives and one allegedly said a job well done to those Jews that they were happy to kick the Jewish family off the airplane.

Now it's all being sorted out a little bit what the issue was apparently at least part of the issue had to do with the fact that their 18 month old in the baby carrier was not wearing a mask, which makes me so angry he makes me so angry even to think about that. First of all, the policy of Frontier Airlines says you don't have to wear a mask if you're under the age of two. Second of all, none of those people should be wearing masks in my opinion because they don't work anyway so give it up.

I'm tired of all these ridiculous rules that have nothing to do with science. If you don't feel comfortable flying on an airplane or in the waning days of the pandemic than stay home, but your mask is not can help and if you're not sick why are you having to wear a mask anyway. I know I've made these comments a million times, but it does apply in this particular case, I want you to hear though from some of these passengers who exited this flight and then commented on the fact that hey wait a minute, this couple. They were wearing masks when they were wearing masks and why does this matter because Frontier Airlines put out a statement on the Internet. Here's what they said they said members of a large group including adults refused to wear masks as flight 2878 was preparing for departure from Miami repeated requests to comply with federal law, necessitated the removal from the flight. The issue did not stem from a child under two and then you had this group who wrote back to them.

This is a Orthodox Jewish Public affairs Council is the name of the group and they said I witness is not part of the passenger group and who are also not part of the same ethnic group dispute your claim Frontier Airlines. In addition, video indicates that the initial order to leave was only given to the couple, not to the larger group. Besides, none of this addresses the applause that you here, clapping and whooping when this Jewish couple is forced off the airplane with their little baby and here's what some of the passengers had to say after it happened. This is cut to saw them high-fiving each other how to find a job well done as to whether this is hard for each other at his job well done telling the child that they don't have math family and I told him about one in the back and I will coming on board with that and started to scream at me down a little as is. What is so high-fives and I sold out also was made chief rolling them absolutely disgusting. Disgusting that Frontier Airlines would tolerate that sort of thing disgusting that they put out the statement that isn't true before they even had time to do any investigation, and I don't know all the details, but these passengers were there and the video footage exists and you can watch it for yourself and you can see these people were causing any trouble. And the parents were wearing a mask and the baby doesn't have to wear a mask because she's too young or he's too young to be required to wear a mask, even under the website outline that you can find on the Frontier Airlines site so what in the world and you do hear the whipping and you do hear the clapping and I guess that there will need to be further investigation and others are calling for further investigation.

But I'm telling you folks decide to terrify you really. We talk about cancer culture. All of the time but when people are being pointed out, and pointed to in an marginalized in a way that at least looks on the surface like it was related to their religion and especially of its anti-Semitism that is terrifying to me because the Holocaust was not that long ago and I'm not saying that there is a Holocaust in the offing anytime soon, but it's very, very close to you know it. Lotta people were alive during the Holocaust were still alive today and remember all the horrors of that that when you begin to target people because of their religion.

Things can go completely off the rails and nobody is saying there's gonna be a Holocaust. I'm not trying to make that point when I'm trying to say is you nip it in the bud.

When you start to see hatred toward religion hatred toward people because of their religion.

If in fact that was the case you nip it in the body and you have zero tolerance for it especially bothers me because they were Hasidic Jews because I know exactly how the left was treating those people when they were trying to just gather in New York and what de Blasio did to those poor people. We should be concerned. Really concerned.

Here's another example of religious hatred and this all ties together. By the way, with the equality act is just religious hatred.

It really is.

It's like oh well, it's all about ending discrimination against LGBT key people you guys have all the power in the world who are you kidding you guys are the least discriminated against and the least targeted of anybody because you guys have the most political power.

The left does absolutely everything that big a wanted to do. We all know that nobody is losing their job. The only job I've ever seen anybody lose for being homosexual or being in a so-called same sex marriage was at Catholic schools and maybe a stray evangelical school here or there that sets nobody is firing anybody for being gay. I they would be trumpeting this from the rooftops. Trust me, if they had all kinds of evidence of this taking place it so it really is about a reversal of morality and I think for a lot of these people there's personal animus toward Christians. You made me feel bad you.

You are haters here homophobes in your getting in the way of what I want to do and and making me feel bad in and yelled so working to have our day and so now no religious freedom for you and if if there weren't some twins share of animus they would never have stripped religious freedom out of the equality act in the first place that she tell you everything you need to know. Here's an example of what's going on. This is from Christian news network three Christians in New Jersey have now been charged with violating the state's anti-bias intimidation statute did you know they had such a thing in New Jersey.

What was their crime allegedly it was specifically for shouting homophobic rhetoric directly in front of allure salon. This is based on the citing officers wording after the trio preached to the salon owner and an employee for both homosexuals, basically. Now, Daniel, Stephen, Courtney and Lydia Ortiz were all charged under two different sections of the states bias intimidation statute during an outreach outside of an abortion clinic in Englewood, New Jersey. I guess the salon is pretty close by the allure salon. It's a facility where late-term abortions occur and in an exposé published by priests for life. A few years back. The facility was caught on tape explaining how they will murder healthy babies up until 24 weeks if it is something that you want quote unquote Christians as well as others have been gathering outside the facility for years to oppose abortion and to engage in other speech activities, and in January, these particular Christians had spread out on the sidewalks nearby to effectively communicate the word of God and the gospel to as many people as possible and according to one of the officers summons the Christians targeted the owner who is homosexual by preaching against homosexuality. On another citation a salon employee was written as the quote unquote target of homophobic rhetoric, their attorney told Christian news network that his clients were there to be a voice for the voiceless and to preach the word of God to all the people, not just the homosexuals. He explained that his clients delivered a message of love for their souls and that only by repentance and faith in Christ, can men be saved from the wrath to come, and then decided that their actions were legally protected First Amendment activity.

According to this attorney if they are convicted of this 4th° charge they can each be sentenced up to 18 months in prison. So what is it can be a it's a crime to be a Christian and preach the gospel in New Jersey is that where this is headed. So we have Hasidic Jews being kicked off airplanes for reasons unrelated to masks. What were the reasons why would a flight attendant seen no applauding an whoop when they leave the plane.

That's just rude. Even if you kick somebody off or cause why would you whoop and applaud that's just disgusting.

You should be happy that you kick anybody off your flight. I am now just the direction were going again as I was saying earlier we are really in Romans one situation and only the Lord can turn it around. Please be in prayer for this nation. I mean really.

Please pray and fast for this nation.

I want nothing more than for the Lord to be honored once again in this nation and he is kind and he is loving and he is holy in his very very willing to hear our prayers go to him and ask for his mercy but something that I'll leave it there will see next time here in Chama for today


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