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January 4, 2021 5:30 am

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January 4, 2021 5:30 am

Have you ever wondered who wrote the books of the Bible and how they ended up together? Dr. Timothy Paul Jones will join Janet to explain why you can be confident in the Bible s reliability and accuracy. His DVD series is called, “How We Got the Bible.” That and more on Monday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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That's 855-402-2229 or Janet, our confidence is in Christ alone, I saw no time is the most translated book and it was the Gutenberg Bible that was the first book ever to be printed on a movable type printing press. Yet, as Christians, we know the Bible is more than just an important or an historic book. It is the book because it is the very word of God. His special revelation to us of his own character and divine nature, and his revelation of his law and ultimately his gospel.

The saving work accomplished for sinners to the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. But if somebody would ask you today. How did we get the Bible out of the 66 individual books written over a thousand year period by more than 40 authors become the Bible or the Bibles that we have today. What would you say were going to talk about it today with Dr. Timothy Paul Jones, Dr. Jones is professor of Christian ministry and associate vice president at the Southern Baptist theological seminary. He's out with a great new DVD series that's just been released called how we got the Bible Dr. Jones.

It is just so wonderful to have you here today. How are you doing I'm doing great. You're damn well it's great to have you back what you think it is critical for Christians to know how we got the Bible, not just Christians. Everybody but particularly Christians.

Why do we need to know this in the past decade or so when I pick them up into COBRA relief from the popularity about a few years ago. Really, what kind of a threshold marker in our culture in which skepticism about the Bible went mainstream.

And today we've got to deal with question that we just didn't even have to deal with people want thinking about them.

20, 30, 40 years ago and yet people on the street will ask about you.

If you're talking to them about the gospel will will ask about the lost gospel supposedly were excised from the New Testament will ask you about to do a bunch of books that should've been in the Bible and are cut out later about things like that that wouldn't of been asked in the past and so we live in a culture in which there is an increasing skepticism toward Christianity, but also sometimes with skepticism. Pick a specific focus on issues of how we got the Bible because of that, every believer in Jesus Christ needs to be able to answer basic questions about where the Bible came from and why we believe it and why we believe the particular books are indeed the word of God. I love that you're exactly right. Thank you Dan Brown for making life that much tougher for us, but that's good. We need to be able to tell people why the Bible is the word of God and you know a lot of people will look around and say, well, we've got the Koran we got the Bhagavad-Gita.

This is a multicultural world. Why is the Bible so special. What you think. Apart from the fact that it is the word of God.

But what is special about the Bible we as Christians believe that the Bible is simply one revelation among many revelations, but rather with the Bible point without error points with absolute authority to God's revelation of himself in Jesus Christ. And so we want to we can say with complete integrity. The Bible matters because Jesus matters the Bible is testimony to Jesus Christ. And when people ask why we believe the Bible. One of the answers that I think of a completely valid and helpful answer for them if to say, I believe the Bible because Jesus is alive and what I mean by that is, Jesus believed that the Old Testament was true and so if Jesus believe the Old Testament is true and that in he was raised from the dead than I should trust him. I should agree with that. If I orient my life toward Jesus Christ and what we have in the New Testament are writings from people that Jesus sent out. But Jesus authorized the witness Jesus alive or close associates of those people and so in those instances, it's text, but testified directly to Jesus.

In the case of the New Testament, and so we believe the Bible matters, but the Bible is special because we believe that Jesus Christ is is special. That is to say he is God's revelation God in human flesh raised from the dead, and we believe that and because we believe that the Bible is a special book excellent. He is risen indeed. Absolutely. So when we look at second Timothy three as everybody will know the passage about Scripture, all Scripture is given by inspiration of God is the first phrase in that passage there when we talk about the Bible being inspired to being God breathed, what exactly do we mean by that. We have to be very particular in explaining that I know right because people wonder what you mean aren't a lot of different inspired or inspiring text, and so why is the Bible special in that regard. I think we have to help people understand the very phrase to use just a few seconds ago and that is that what's really in that text does not switch inspired by God but we can take that as meaning God believed and so when we say that the Bible is inspired of God breathed for what we're saying is that the Bible comes from the innermost essence of God.

It comes from God himself. And so what we believe about the Bible is first and foremost, all Scripture is given by inspiration of God, or it is God breathed. It comes from God himself. Right now, there has been theories on the particulars of how the Bible is inspired but a general question, people attend to ask is if this is the word of God. How can it be his word and yet be written by human beings.

In what sense did God inspire what these authors put onto parchment.

We believe about that is that God inspired this, that is to say, it comes not merely from the human authors but from God himself, and that God inspired them in such a way that they wrote these words in their own styles of writing in their own ways in their own context, but that God superintended the words that they written input wrote in such a way that what they wrote was without error. It was that exactly what God himself intended. The big theological words for that. If plenary verbal inspiration. They were choosing words that they knew they were aware of that were part of their culture and their style of writing, but God was working in that too in a manner in which the words that that you chose were the very words that God himself wanted to be down on that parchment and preserved for his people. Exactly. Now it's kind of interesting that you should mention this because I was reading an old book by James Mikami Boyson everybody will know that most people know who he was.

He was when the International Council on biblical inerrancy back in the late 70s. One of the things he mentioned was how many words we have continued to have to bring out to describe the way in which the Bible is inspired and you mentioned it right there that it's verbal. Every single word. It's plenary. It's all inspired not just parts of it, and it's also infallible and in errands and this is so important because each of those words describes the word of God and did not raise some of the claims by others that the Bible is just some of it is inspired or this may seem inspired but it's really it doesn't mean what you think it means. Why is it so important to be so particular in saying it the way you said it will in every age, new challenge is important for us to recognize what we believe about the Bible change.

In other words we start using the word inerrancy which wasn't being used. A couple of hundred years ago. If not, but suddenly we decided something new must be believed about the Bible or what was happening and that is new challenges arise and as those new challenges arise, we have to rise to meet those and come up with new terminologies at times to affirm that which the church has always believed about the Bible. So when we say that the word, the Scriptures are inerrancy that comes the importance of that term comes in some sense as a response to a diluting of the word infallible, infallible from person would begin using that not in the sense in which it is intended, which is unable to deceive. That's what the word infallible should be taken to mean is that the Scriptures are incapable of deceiving us and some people diluted those that that terminology and started thing will it just means the Scriptures will fail that the distal accomplish their purpose and so word inerrancy gets kind of hold up as ever, is a term that we affirm and and that we recognize is important to say no. What is intended. If the Bible is without error. It is inerrant because it comes from a God who is the God of truth. These words are words of truth and you know what 100 years from now will probably be more words that we need to come up with new challenges arise and that's okay. We're not coming up with new ideas about the Bible but rather we are in response to challenges we face having to come up with a kind new terminologies so that we can affirm that which Christians have believed all the way back to the earliest stages of church history, and indeed back into Jewish history about the Scriptures that is such an important thing for people to understand, and I think you're absolutely right as we continue to get new challenges and have new words twisted that once meant something else. We continue to have to clarify what the Bible is really saying when it's when we say is inspired. What we really mean by that were to come back.

Dr. Timothy Paul Jones how we got the Bible is our topic will return after this hi this is Janet Mefford. In January we are honoring the pre-born and the more than 60 million babies whose lives have been tragically ended through abortion. The ministry of pre-born is the direct competition to Planned Parenthood, and the largest provider of free ultrasounds in the country by equipping pregnancy centers with free ultrasounds. Pre-born is able to meet abortion minded women at their darkest hour and shine the light of Jesus. You see, when a young mom considering abortion walks into a pre-born center. It's a divine appointment where she encounters the love of Christ and the opportunity to meet the beautiful life growing inside of her. I feel like it was meant for me to head this is something I need for a reason.

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Now one of the things Dr. Jones that people will mention sometimes his point of clarification is someone will say what you say.

The Bible is inerrant and yet I have this version of the Bible that had mistakes in it or added in some things that shouldn't of been added in. And then I have this other Bible that doesn't include that particular section of verses. So how can it be inerrant if this translation is one way in this translation is another way in this particular area.

This particular book of the Bible, so we will say sometimes it's inherent in the original autographs would you tend to include that when you are speaking about the inerrancy of the Bible. We need to include.

We speak of inerrancy we are speaking of inerrancy as it was originally written and help them in terms of apologetics in terms of talking to people to help them distinguish between a copying variant and an error error is something that was something of bond in the original text that was all an error would be, so we fight inerrant were saying in the text as it was originally written in the autographs, but in that text. There were no errors know what that doesn't mean is that somehow but there's been something where every copy of the Bible have been protected from error.

There have been errors in that but those are really errors those are what I would call copying variant or variations in the text, such that we see in any text that is copied by hand over hundreds of years there point at which there are copying variant copying variations that we see in those text very good get Schnell. The other thing that we need to also discusses that the Bible is sufficient. This seems to be an area in which modern Christians are falling short in really holding to the sufficiency of Scripture. What are we talking about their we talk about the sufficiency of Scripture were talking about two different things, but both of which are very important. Number one, you have been copied with sufficient accuracy to preserve the message that God inspired with copy with sufficient accuracy.

But even to say there are some copying variations but it is copied with sufficient accuracy to have the message in it.

Still there that we can be able to read and understand. But God originally inspired but sufficient is also in another sense as well. But if that is efficient to tell us what we need to know to live the life that God has called us to live it sufficient for that. We don't need to form for our spiritual lives for our our health and wholeness in terms of our relationship with God. We don't need to draw from a whole bunch of other sources in that we, the Scriptures are patient to guide us in the life that God has called us to live that we don't obviously need to learn from other sources or look at other sources but none of those other sources are more creative and sufficient for off to live the life that God has called us to live in Christ to trust him to follow him. Scripture alone is shouldn't in that wonderful one of the things that you get into is how the Bible actually got to us.

Starting with the Old Testament. A lot of people look at the Old Testament and even say why do we even need the Old Testament's were not the Israelites were Gentiles.

We been grafted in. We just need the New Testament because that talks about Jesus. But why is the Old Testament important and how was it that it from God to us. As you say what we really need to look at the Old Testament.

I asked them something to affect when you watch the Lord of the rings.

You start with fellowship of the ring or do you start with the return of the King? There which one are you going to start with. At that point in a person with dual core should start with ownership of the ring because if you start with something later than the rest of it's not going to make any sense and my point is exactly you look at the Old Testament. What you're seeing is the necessary and essential back story for the coming of Jesus and so you start trying to jump straight into the New Testament, we recognize that the New Testament is packed with just all the way through references to the Old Testament and may not simply bear Avenue, always nice with something that points back to something in the past, but they viewed the story of Adam and Noah and Abraham and Moses in the end all the way through the Old Testament as the necessary way of understanding what Jesus was up to in his work, and so we've got to understand number one but the Old Testament is absolutely necessary to understand the story of Jesus Christ. So how we got the Old Testament. The Old Testament, but it's an amazing thing over.

Over a thousand years are more than a thousand years, but the Old Testament is being pulled together being written being inspired by God and being brought together hundreds of years before the time of Jesus and brought together into this text, but is preserved accurately adequately sufficiently for us still today to get the message that God inspired through his prophets and through cues in Psalms, from poets, of all of that, all the way through the history of the Israelite people right now. What's interesting, I had mentioned about the writers and mention parchments but the Old Testament writers you say sometimes would write actually on a rock. How was the word of God written down throughout the Old Testament was written to a variety of ways we find one of one of the earliest references to actually writing is, of course, in Exodus work.

God himself wrote on the stone on the stone tablets.

We know that only forms were written on stone we find examples in the ancient world of sometimes we would even for we don't know for certain that the Old Testament was ever done this way, but sometimes text will written by putting plaster on a rock and then putting the writing into the plaster and sometimes even painting it at that point it was written on whether it was written on a variety of different forms, but we find it very quickly ends up in scroll form in the part of the reason for that is that the it's portable sound and so that wasn't put out the word of God was not something that was to be only in one place in Jerusalem or wherever it might be, and the people had to go there to read it, but rather it was copied for people because it was intended to be heard to be understood to be memorized to be learn to be obeyed, followed by all the people. It wasn't something that was simply the domain of a property of a priest and in the temple somewhere or something like that. It was something that was copied and circulated for full writings in the ancient world circulated relatively widely for such writings is that yes now when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered.

This was a big development in the trustworthiness of the Old Testament. What what was the significance for us as Christians in the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls scroll got to about only back into the 1940s, in which before the time that the Dead Sea Scrolls began to be discovered in 1947, following the oldest, the oldest portion of the old testament that we had was from almost a thousand years after the time of Jesus.

And so, you think about this, but that even though the Old Testament was from hundreds of years thousand years before the time of Jesus that the earliest copy was from almost a millennium after the time of Jesus and so many, especially among liberal scholars had come to the conclusion, while there was no subtle consensus about anything in the Old Testament, even the text itself wasn't settled until long, long after the time of Jesus. What happens in the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls is the for example, the Isaiah scroll from the Dead Sea Scrolls. It differs did it almost as normal.

No different to put off a minor spelling differences from things like that and that scroll was copied before the time of Jesus, the one that left the snow is with the copying process of the Old Testament was a stable and reliable profit on some of the other books of the Old Testament.

There are, it's clear that there were different forms of different text and some variations, particularly in force and second Samuel, and some things like that. But even with all those very dams we see in the text, it is clear that the process by which the Jewish people preserved. The Scriptures was a reliable process that they were following and that the text as we have it from them is a trustworthy representation of the original text is really important for us to recognize that the theft was significant. One of the many areas of significant of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Yet now, when we talk about the New Testament canon, which were to get to. Most people will discuss weld the letters of Paul had circulated to the churches and you had the gospel writers etc. etc. but what the Old Testament how was the canon of the Old Testament determined that topic of discussion might become one of the things we have to recognize if Jesus gives us a glimpse into some important things about the Old Testament and if we look at the Old Testament we need to take our canonical cues, we might say, from Jesus and was a couple of different examples will give one of them of how we know what Bible Jesus was using human Luke chapter 24 mentions the law, the prophets, and the Psalms. Now that report, the vision of the Old Testament in the Psalms included more than just the forms but forms were dominant in the third section that points to that represent the Hebrew, Aramaic text of the Old Testament as it is come down to us through the Jewish people and have been preserved out over the ages, and that lets us know that Jesus was using a settled text with his way of referring to the whole Old Testament and in it he was using a text that was, not flocks, not a whole bunch of different people with different cannon variations or anything like that but there was a settled text that he was using that he viewed as the word of God and this is the same set of books that he would've been using but we have and what we might call Protestant Old Testament today Hebrew and Aramaic canon, but he'd inherited so to speak, from over the ages, and that he viewed as the words of his father and he trusted as being a trustworthy text that he could believe that he could proclaim that indeed he said all about himself whole pointed forward to him and what God was doing through him.

That's excellent.

And how many ancient copies.

Do we have the Old Testament of the Old Testament. It is a variant number and, in the sense that there are so many of us about your scroll just the Torah scroll just albeit different things like that but about words so there's or intuitive scrolls or so in the Dead Sea Scrolls about 1/3 of those, some roughly being fragment portions of the Old Testament as well as several excellent scrolls in the Middle Ages. Very good King on just about to go to another rate, Dr. Timothy Paul Jones with us explaining how we got in the Bible will be back stay with us this archived broadcast of Janet Mefford today is brought to you by pre-born for $140 you can provide ultrasounds to five women in crisis pregnancies. Call now 855402, baby.

That's 855-402-2229 or Janet Janet Mefford today and here's your host Joe Mefford. We are back on Janet Mefford today. Thank you for being with us. My guess Dr. Timothy Paul Jones is out with a great DVD series called how we got the Bible and we were discussing particular the Old Testament's knowledge about the New Testament a little bit. Dr. Jones because the New Testament got to us as well. This was in some respects a different scenario than the Old Testament, but how did the New Testament come to us looking at how it starts out with the apostle Paul's letter for some of probably Galatian in force and pick up a polonium for some of the earliest portions of the New Testament. So Paul begins writing those not too much to teach people about the Christian faith, but rather to remind them of, and to apply the truths they already known what that lets us know is that the proclamation about Jesus begin as an evangelistic proclamation as people go throughout the world. So another words we don't start out writing it down right off the bat, which was only normal in an ancient setting such as that in the in the culture which very few people could actually read but begins to be proclaimed to call people to trust in Jesus Christ and then some of the earliest writings of the New Testament. Are these the whole rights, in which he is helping them to apply that which they've already learned about Jesus.

Very good. So so when Bart Herman and those who follow him. This is this North Carolina enough scholar that people will often refer to it in debates on whether or not they Bible is reliable. This idea will come up that really the canon was corrupted because the people who were in the majority were the ones who really determine what it was. What is the truth about how the canon was closed and the process by which books say like the Apocrypha were excluded. Excellent question one. Every Christian needs to be able to answer right now because we do here this over and over. And here's the most important thing that every believer in Jesus Christ needs to be aware of needs to remember every text in the New Testament is traceable back to an eyewitness of the risen Lord Jesus Christ or close associate of an eyewitness of the risen Lord Jesus Christ and so we could go to all of them are just a few of the Matthew.

Of course being an apostle Mark being somebody who traveled with the apostle Peter and translated his stories about Jesus, to audiences throughout the Roman Empire and am Luke being an associate of of the apostle Paul and John being a disciple of Jesus himself when every instance, when Christians are asking the question of is this writing authoritative. The terminology they would've used Ben was is this something to be read publicly in the church with the terminology they would've used for authoritative writings. But is this writing when they were looking at these. They are asking do we like it. They are asking is bothersome for political reason that we should accept or not accept this writing. They are asking can we trace this back to an eyewitness of the risen Lord Jesus Christ or close associate of an eyewitness, and if they couldn't, but rejected that writings all of these writings so that are supposedly the lost Gospels and all of that, they were cut out if it were cut out all we were never part of the canon to begin with, but they weren't rejected for any reason other than they could not be reliably traced back to an eyewitness, or close associate of an eyewitness of the risen Lord Jesus on other words, the resurrection of Jesus and his proclamation becomes the authoritative standard for the text in the New Testament from the very beginning. Excellent. So when we're talking about the preservation of the text throughout the years. Certainly we had times in which the scribes and the scribes were topping it all down and there are those who say the scribes would make mistakes sometimes they would spell things wrong word would be left out or support.

How was the process conducted throughout church history in preserving the tax exactly rights. I know it wasn't always exactly right, but generally speaking, what were the guidelines that were used. First we have to understand the Christian inherited from level a and importance on the copying and preservation of the text from the Jewish people. Remembering that the earliest Christians were Jews and there was already the strong emphasis among the Christians early on.

Coming from that background on preserving the text rightly and we see very early in the text that there are various times in which it clear that there are some rules begin to emerge for the copying of the text because we start to see different patterns of, for example, abbreviations of the Lord Jesus are abbreviations of the word God, things like that that start occurring not simply in one area or one place but a variety of places all over the Roman Empire.

Christians are having using the same abbreviations. I think what different event make will mean that what emerges very early is basically a set of shared rules for how we do what we do with the text. At that point, and that lets us know that and here's what we have to recognize as well is that the New Testament had so many copies made of infected well over 5000 copies or fragments of copies will survive to this very day from the ancient world more than any other text in the agent will compare that well over 5000 from the New Testament to 210 copies of Plato's writings. For example, more than any other text in the ancient world and because of that we are able in almost every instance to be able to use those to compare those to look at these many copies that were carefully copied and the comparables to one another and to determine what the original reading was of the text in and that handful of instances and it is a small handful compared to the text of a hole in that small handful of instances in which it is uncertain what the original wording of the text was there's not one of those questionable little fragments or peer bits of the text that affect anything that we believe about God or about his work in the world. And so in almost every instance, the text is recoverable be able to figure out what it originally said in the few instances where it isn't recoverable based on annual spots in the text of a verse. Your verse. There were few words here and there.

Men of those affect what we believe about God or about his work in the world. Very good.

When we talk about the Bibles that we have nowadays in their myriad translations. Obviously, probably all of our homes.

We have a number of different translations of the Bible, we take it for granted. I think a lot these days that we can pick up the Bible that were literate and we actually can read the Bible, but it's interesting to go back in church history and and look at what it cost men like William Tyndale and John Wycliffe to get the Bible to us to explain a little bit about the history of the Bible and how controversial it was really back in the 15th century to be able to get a Bible into the hands of the people, particularly in the English-speaking world. It was a costly thing to bring the Bible to us if we got a man such as Wycliffe, John Wycliffe, who oversaw a translation of the Bible into English, and that he had the dubious distinction of window in the late for late to 14th early 15th century the Bible got declared illegal in English. And so as a result of that in part into both the mother think John Wycliffe was decreed by a Roman Catholic council that even though he was already dead he was to be burned, dug up and burned up a fake distinction of even after he was dead. Been dug up and burned foot for his faith and for his translation of the Bible into English in his ashes were thrown in the river Swift and according to one later chroniclers of Becca and they were carried out into the ocean, spread around, and thus this became an analogy for what happened with his teachings of the ended up spreading throughout the world. And so that you think you get one little example of the degree to which you pull of all English Bible off of our shelf and don't realize that there was a time when it was considered to be subversive for Plain English Bible to exist. There was a time when it was feared because we did not want to put the Bible in the hands of ordinary people because they feared if the church lost control of the Bible, but the church would would be the review the supplanting of the churches authority and power.

All of these things were very real things and cost people their lives hundreds of people their lives to get the Bible into English and cut off today incredible. So yeah, when you talk about Wycliffe. The fact that they dug them up again just to burn him again. That's a lot of hatred over over the Bible for sure if you think about that today how we look at that and in every Bible we how Wycliffe and Tyndale.

In particular, they didn't really shape and influence of even the Bible we have today and that we can treat it so flippantly and I assume you're having a Bible and that was a precious thing. The people were willing to die for.

To get the Bible into English and into the hands of ordinary people also server and and you know that that's a really important point I think to look back into church history to see these great men of God who are willing to pay such a high price just to get the Bible to us. Translated and into our own hands were to come back.

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And I realized why don't what about writing something that is going to be positive to prepare people before they hear these things so really wanted to write something that would be readable. That would be easy for a high school student even to be able to read before they go to college and so that's why packed with pictures of packed with altar charts and things like that because I want to be able to equip people both or they face the challenges so that even if they don't remember everything I've written what they will remember is that there is a good answer.

The challenges that their hearings excellent.

So we were discussing what class and how it was a very dangerous thing. Many centuries ago to possess a Bible. As you mentioned in 1408 in England.

It was illegal to translate or to read the Bible in common English without the permission of the bishops, so by the time we get to around the 16th century. You have the Gutenberg Bible is the very first Bible printed on movable type. This was a breakthrough speak a little bit to the significance of the fact that for the first time there was a movable type printed Bible that was available over time over the next several centuries is that the Bible became increasingly accessible and so it went from something that was kept an inch to very few places the people didn't have access to, and been by the time you get to that the middle of the 1500s. You have a decree coming down from the king of England to place a Bible in every church, and it was chained in the church not because they were trying to keep people from precisely the opposite. It was to keep it there so nobody would take it away and anybody could come and page through the Bible for themselves and so think about that.

That's over the space of the century. Suddenly the Bible goes from being just in a very few places and him him church is not even having a complete copy of the Bible. In some instances, and even if they did, it wasn't accessible to the people to suddenly over the space of just a century. Then, if available in every single English church for anybody to go and page through it and into look at this Bible and I ended it in. Kit includes an increase then off people desire to become literate in over over the centuries that the Bible has a profound effect as it becomes more and more and more accessible to people, especially in the English language absolutely and it's neat to see the tenant trace how we got the Bible we got today were we have a Rasmussen, for example, publishing this Greek edition and then dad's use later.

You kind of forms the basis for Luther's translation when he's in the Wartburg Castle which leads to 10 Downing all of these you know markings in history that were so significant in being able to bring us what we have in our homes today. It's just it's incredible when you look at it all in detail and interact with one of my favorite people. So there's a painting of a Rasmussen Hank and my diamond is one of my heroes because he brought first New Testament into the published New Testament in Greek made it available before that, of course, the New Testament have been simply scattered it always fragments that many of which had been discovered to me when I did a Rasmussen had a few copies in Greek of the of the New Testament when he assembled this, but he brought together and and develop this text.

This Novum instrument and it will all mail was called it which was a text that had the Greek New Testament alongside the Latin actually, and in his original addition of it. I had the Greek New Testament there for people to be able to read the Scriptures in the original languages and this is something that Martin Luther was reading this and this is one of the things that triggered his understanding and shape his understanding of salvation by grace through faith alone version that comes later on from a Rasmussen's version is what a William Tyndale interview think I have what one of my most prized possessions. I have a copy of this was used in one of John Calvin's classrooms in Geneva Greek New Testament that was once used in the classroom in Geneva. It comes from and it is a descendent of a Rasmussen's Greek New Testament and so all of the warmers what they are going back to the original source of their going back to the New Testament reading it in the original languages and it shapes and reshapes the world at that point in terms of their proclamation of the gospel in their understanding of the goodness of God in Christ tells us are now correct me if I'm wrong, but my my recollection is that it was a Rasmussen's text wasn't it that allowed Luther to see the correct translation of justification, that it wasn't infusion but imputation right it was that in reading Romans and Galatians and him when he saw that in this power at your. Could he have if it bit that he understands this, remembering that he was a child ever. He was in the context I would be a better way to put it of the Renaissance which everybody singled back to the source of go back to the source as well. He goes back to the source of me find so much of what you've been taught by the church did not represent what Scripture itself said in the part of what shook what he is thinking and end, and drove him to mail the species onto the Wittenberg chapel door that the signal event that brings about her begins, triggers the Reformation right now. It's interesting when you keep going and you see a course Tyndale, the father of the English Bible you know is translation really form the basis for the King James version, which last email lasts into our own day.

What do you say though on the issue of the King James Bible and that been the most accurate translation versus some of the more modern translations. What should we understand about older being better okay great question on that many people have a question the King James version.

Of course be translated from a descendent of a Rasmussen's text that he abused and around with only had a handful of very small number of Greek manuscript in a Rasmussen did a great job the best he could, pulling together an accurate Greek New Testament from what he had, but the fact is that in the centuries after that time. Many, many more manuscripts have been discovered and older manuscripts than a Rasmussen and there are times when it's clear that a Rasmussen was using Greek texts that were not the best of the Greek text now when I say that it recognize that after the salute the Greek New Testament are more accurate. That is to say there are more representative of the original first century text of the New Testament, but I think with most important in that is to recognize that even between a Rasmussen's Greek New Testament and be the best and the newest one that I have right here on my desk between those there is only a minuscule set of differences between them comparatively well over 90% agreement between these different New Testament insults important for us to recognize that yes there are variations between irascible suspects that he collated in the text that we may be using today to translate Bibles today, but the overwhelming agreement of them should that that should overshadow any of the differences Luther stands between them. Yeah, very good, but we have different translations of the Bible. I know we have a lot of different ways that the bad Bible is translated. We have the dynamic equivalence in the formal equivalence of mankind.

The paraphrase version ends. What do you tend to believe is the best form of translation translation some sort of kind of interpreting of the text.

We go to recognize that there is no such thing as a word for word translation of the Bible because if it was word for word. We wouldn't understand it in English because of the fact that good grammar and and everything is so different.

In Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and in English. And so we go to recognize that this is no such thing as a word for word translation that brings it over exactly but I think it's important that we get as close as we can to the text as it originally was. And so I encourage people do your study from a what would be called a formal equivalent translation and into your study from a text, but that really is trying as close as possible as much as possible to represent that original Paxton and or several of those that that are out there. The new American Standard.

The English standard version of the Holman Christian standard Bible. Several of those really work very hard to get as close as possible to the wording of the original text and in and in that were not pretending but somehow if you use one of these is word for word from the original text. But it's so important that we put every little between us in the original text as possible. And that's what a a formal equivalent translation that if it tries to put as little as possible between you and that text so that if something is ambiguous from the original text rather than trying to fix it and interpreted it leaves it ambiguous for us to wrestle with that in English.

Just as we would have to wrestle with it in Greek or Hebrew, Aramaic very well. Such a great series as I've been telling this DVD series how we got the Bible's most publishing Dr. Timothy Paul Jones joining us this hour, and it's gone very quickly but so informative. Dr. Jones. I really thank you for being with us. It was great to have you here today great to be with you.

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