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In the midst of a dark world, how can we as Christians look to the future with both confidence and courage? On the next edition of JANET MEFFERD TODAY, Christian apologist Lee Strobel will join me to talk about it and his book, “The Case for Hope.” Plus: How do we win the battle for our minds when we still battle with sin and the problems of this world? Pastor Lance Hahn joins me to discuss it and his book, "The Master's Mind: The Art of Reshaping Your Thoughts." We'll discuss that and more on Thursday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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If your freedom loving American looking for contract free healthcare call now 855-585-4237 or go to liberty for more information liberty, our confidence is in Christ, on and on and on. But as Christians we know that we have hope and that is because of what Jesus has done for us. How can our hope in Christ change our lives and the lives of those around us, especially when everything around us tends to look hopeless while working to talk about it today with more atheist and Christian apologist Lee Strobel, who serves as Prof. Christian thought at Houston Baptist University to be discussing his book.

It is called the case for hope. Looking ahead with confidence and courage and Lee. This is great timing and it's wonderful to have you here. Water: what you think you want to.

You make right now of the state of hope in America. Well, George, 30 years ago I was called today that people in many nations appear to be searching with new intensity for spiritual moorings. One of the key factors prompting the search is a need for hope in these troubled that 30 years ago and I think that's true more today than ever that in these times as you mentioned some of the crises that are going on in our families and are in our nation and our world.

People are looking for hope and sold are searching for spiritual moorings for spiritual grounding and that's good news. I believe the gospel because Jesus does provide what Hebrews talks about an anchor for our soul. Moorings were sold absolutely and you contrast this with some of the other ways of thinking in our society we have people who have a lot of wishful thinking or they're just optimistic or they have hopeful dreams is really good that you contrast these things that with biblical hope. How would you best contrast. The first category against what Scripture says is our hope, well, you know, I think when people talk about hope. Often they mean wishful thinking, which is the kind of thing that you blot your birthday candles on your cake and you kinda have this this wishful thinking that all my year next year can be better than last year or or I hope I have good health. This year we hope our stocks don't plummet through whatever this all but our hope really has no power to change reality is just gotta yell things we wish for is wishful thinking is blind optimism, which is sort of putting on rose-colored glasses and seeing everything in the purely positive light, which is good thing to see things positively bought. Sometimes we go overboard and we kind of avert our eyes from the trouble of the world to stick her head in the sand doesn't change anything either. And then there's these hopeful dreams, which is when we have ambitions for the future. We goals for the future but those are limited them either limited by our own abilities of our own finances.

I can have a goal or a hopeful dream that I'm gonna play for the NBA how much I practice or limited but as you say biblical hope is different.

Biblical hope is the confident expectation that God is willing and able to fulfill the promises he made to his followers that to me is is what angers me hope.

Absolutely, you know, I think of one particular thing that I see in the news Rossi and social media all the time and some tragedy will occur in a number people might die. Whether it's a terrorist act or the shooting or something like that and I'll say sending out our prayers to those who have died or we hope they're in a better place now, and I thought without Christ. How can you help how can you have that confident assurance that you talk about the right to hold unswervingly to the hope we put a process for he who promised is faithful because we have a faithful God because we have faith in Jesus Christ to buy his death and resurrection demonstrated his power over life and death that gives us hope. Jesus was different than other religious leaders. A lot of the religious leaders would talk about pain and suffering that we endure in this world as being Maya or allusion really illusion. But Jesus, unlike those leaders was honest. He said no in this world you are going to have trouble was honest, this is a sin stained world in which we live in John 1633 in this world you will have trouble. But he said, have courage because I have overcome the world. And because he has overcome the world. We know that we will overcome the world.

Ultimately, that way you will open the door of heaven for all who follow yes it's so awesome. Now everybody knows that you were an atheist, and before he became a Christian and when you reflect back on those days. Did you feel hopeless at the time.

Boy I tell you are times when I definitely did. I remember when our daughter was born and almost died.

The doctors were sure was wrong with her but she was in intensive care. They told us to prepare for the worst and you know if that moment, being an atheist.

My wife is agnostic.

We didn't have anything to anchor our hope to and you went when you hope, of course, things are going to turn out.

You hope that you get well. You hope that she's going to be okay, but the only way hope has any real work is when we anchor it to the God who has real power and so we didn't have that. And so it was a frightening time to be facing, you know, personal tragedy like that and not have anything to anchor your hope to, you know, we can wish all we want but don't change the circumstances. Fortunately, she lived and thrived and now is the mother of two of my four grandchildren. So it turned out all right but in that moment when you feel hopeless because you don't have this confident expectation that God loves us and has adopted us as children. That is a frightening place to be what it is and I'm so glad things turn out for your daughter and for the whole family when you're going through that though it's so interesting to me to hear a lot of your testimony because I often wonder. I've never had a time in my life where I didn't know the Lord and so it's difficult to sort of identify what would I have done is an atheist. Just saying. I hope things turn out okay. I mean, you're so smart I'm sure on some level you are saying that's not really enough. Yeah, you put your hope in medical technology. You put your hope in the doctors and you limited limited by their limitations right it's only as good as how well they perform in the operating room, but you know when you when you lack that ultimate anchor for the soul that hubris talks about man here here by yourself and you know it's interesting that I keep going back to this one out when I have a episode of my life.

It's frightening work where I feel like hope is being drained away. The Bible talks in first Peter very specifically about linking our hope to the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead and so you know I often will go back in those times of stress. In those times of difficulty. Even as a believer to say wait a minute when met. My hope is ultimately grounded in the historic reality that Jesus returned from the dead, and I spent two years of my life as an atheist investigating the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, and I can go back to that and say yes because that is true because Jesus overcame the world he can help me overcome the situation. Yes, that's great and you talk about the emptiness of atheism. The emptiness of other world religions where you're depending maybe on your good works, or your high expectations for yourself or your trying really hard.

Ultimately, as you've mentioned there's no anchor there but for those who say I'm listening.

And maybe I fall into that category. What is the difference between you as a Christian and somebody who says but I feel pretty good about life and I have hope. The main thing that you've mentioned, there is the resurrection of Christ. It isn't just the death of Christ. But his real absolutely is. Not only that which he paid for the sins of the world, but also the resurrection which he opened the door of heaven to all of us to follow him and you go back to the evidence of that, you know, we look at the evidence for the execution of Jesus. He was truly dead. We got not only multiple accounts of this in the documents make up the New Testament we got five ancient sources outside the Bible confirming corroborating use execution.

We got accounts that he rose from the dead. We have an account of the resurrection of Jesus. That is been dated back by scholars to within months of his death, that is, historical goal becomes far too quickly after his death to merely be explained away by saying it's a legend. So we have very immediate reports of his resurrection.

We have the empty tomb, and even the opponents of Jesus implicitly admitted the tomb was empty because when the disciples declare that Jesus was risen somewhat. They said was all well the disciples, though the body was empty, but then saying that we can explain that away we were talking about the case for how quickly hi this is Kirk Cameron and I am honored to be partnering with the Ministry of pre-born to help mom's choose life actor Kirk Cameron supports pre-born. My four oldest children were adopted. That is because of caring and compassionate people who help those young mothers choose life. My wife is an adopted child and her birth mother chose life for her if it weren't for those caring individuals that help those young moms and value the sacredness of life. I wouldn't have my wife I wouldn't have my four adopted children and the true natural born children that we have wouldn't exist either. My whole family is here because of people that are involved with ministries like freeborn freeborn funds pregnancy centers across the nation so they can offer free ultrasounds to women in crisis pregnancies. Ultrasound is a game changer because when abortion minded women actually see their babies in their wombs for themselves. 80% of the time they choose life. The ministry of pre-born is the largest nationwide provider of free ultrasounds for expectant moms in crisis. There's just something about seeing your own baby's heartbeat that moves in mom's heart toward life like nothing else. We you please help support pre-born in the cause for life. One ultrasound is just $28, or five ultrasounds are $140 and now through a matching gift. Your gift will be doubled rescuing 10 babies lives to donate just call 855402, baby. That's 855-402-2229. All gifts are tax-deductible. That's 855402, baby, let's do more than talk about abortion. Let's save some lives. Please call now with your gift. 855402, baby. That's 855402 baby 855-402-2229 or there's a banner to you're listening to Janet Mefford today for today. Our hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness as the great him put sets and we have so many passages about hope. I think of Romans five, for example, where Paul is talking about being justified through faith, and because of that we have peace with God, and we boast in the hope of the glory of God and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who is been given to us, we struggle is joining us were talking about his book the case for helping you are making a great point.

We are talking about some of the evidences of the resurrection of Jesus upon which all of our hope is based and you even mentioned how interesting it is that even the detractors admitted the tomb was empty. So where do you go from there. Got everybody all side either conceiving implicitly or squaring explicitly the Jesus tomb was empty and then on top of that we had nine ancient sources inside and outside the Bible confirming and corroborating the conviction of the disciples that they encountered the resurrected Jesus that is an avalanche of historical data so much from ancient history.

We know from one source or two sources.

We got nine ancient sources, not just in the Bible but outside the Bible confirming that the disciples encountered intercourse to transform their lives and their willingness to suffer seven ancient sources to showing that the disciples were willing to live lives of deprivation and suffering as a result of the proclamation that Jesus had risen so we got strong historical data that the resurrection of Jesus is not just a legend is not make-believe.

It's not wishful thinking, but it is a actual historical event upon which we can anchor our hope that's right you were mentioning Michael Cohen in the book and his men have faxed to sign the resurrection. A lot of people know my click on another pile just one of the things that he talked about I should say too focused on this issue of skeptics, or even people who are hostile to the faith we think of Saul, who later became the apostle Paul, the road to Damascus and we also think of Jesus skeptical half brother James, of whom follow Jesus why you think that those are both strong arguments because maybe you know people who are skeptical may say okay what people convert to religions all the time, what, what's the big deal yeah I think it's important that we have evidence of people who were inclined in the other direction strongly and yet whose minds were changed not because they heard a story not because somebody taught them some in Sunday school.

They read in the newspaper because they were there and encountered personally. The resurrected Jesus so we have, as you mentioned. Solve a great persecutor of Christians, who encounters Jesus on the road to Damascus and becomes the apostle Paul in the half-brother of Jesus of James who was skeptical of Jesus during Jesus lifetime who not only encountered the resurrected Christ. According to prescriptions 15 but ultimately died for his proclamation and his leadership of the church. I think those are helpful examples.

You know when some people say will look at terrorist today. You know, terrorists will die for their faith because they honestly and sincerely believe if they die this way they're going to go to paradise. Well, what's the difference in what the disciples they were willing to suffer and die. So what's the difference in the difference is a terrorist today may die and be willing to die because he sincerely believe something to be true, but he doesn't know for fact if it's true, he's just been taught it.

He just has faith in it. Now contrast that with the disciples of all the human beings who ever lived in history. They were in the unique position to know for a fact whether Jesus returned from the dead or not.

They were there they touch to make talk with them. They ate with them. They knew the truth and knowing the truth. They were willing to die for.

That's a huge difference. Great points yeah absolutely they they were hundred percent convinced because they had 100% proof when you say just living and riding around yet so hard to come hard and having more questions about that but you know you mentioned terrorism and this is a perfect point which we can sort of talk about the issue of suffering we we mentioned that a little bit earlier and that Romans five passage I was quoting from earlier also mentions we glory in our sufferings and suffering produces perseverance. Perseverance, character, character, hope we see, for example. These persecuted Christians in the Middle East who are just being absolutely obliterated and wiped out by ISIS and we don't have that experience in the United States. Praise God were not on in no circumstances at this juncture anyway.

What is it about our hope in Christ that can give us confidence even in the midst of the worst persecution, which the disciples obviously understood as well.

Yeah when I go through episodes of suffering myself for pain or tragedy five years ago I was on the edge of and hospitalized in as the doctor told me you're one step boy from a coma. Two steps away from dying. So we've all gone through him got to the death of parents, and so forth and tragedies in our lives.

Here some things I keep in mind in the midst of that number one God is not the creator of evil and suffering. He wasn't the one that introduced it into the cosmos.

You saw what it made. It was good in it was our own decision to walk away from God to sin that introduce moral and unnatural evil into the world so God didn't create the evil and suffering.

The second thing I remember is even though suffering is not good God can use it to accomplish good. He can use it to change your character as you said he can promises in Romans 820 80 because good to emerge.

For all those who follow him. So that's an important thing to remember and then I think it's important to remember that the day is coming when suffering will cease and God will judge evil you the day is coming in. I wrote a novel a while ago in you know if someone read half my novel and slammed it shut and said yelp struggles a terrible writer. He didn't resolve all the plot in this book, so we securely read half the books you you the day is coming when suffering will cease. God will judge evil and you know why is he waiting, why does he do it now because the second Peter tells us he doesn't want anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance, said that he is patient with us, then the fourth thing I remember is that our suffering will pale in comparison to what God has in store for his followers. You look at Paul talking about this. You know I consider that my present sufferings are anymore comparing with the glory. This can be revealed in us and then finally I always remember we decide we decide whether we can turn bitter turn to God for peace and courage when we suffer such a choice we make.

And you know you the same people who were had children who were victims of drunk drivers. One will turn bitter and inward and angry for the rest of her life and the other will found mothers of drunk against drunk drivers to try to do something about this this carnage. So you people respond in different ways to pain-and-suffering and and I think we have to make that choice and I think the best choice.

You know, Psalm 34 says the Lord is close to those were brokenhearted. He saves those who are crushed in spirit. His arms are open to us. He is in some distant and in this interested deity. But Jesus enter into our suffering and endured suffering probably worse. However, in door and he did it. Why, because of his love for us to open the gates of heaven absolutely know a lot of Americans that I talked to Lynn, you probably talk to a lot of people to say these sorts of things are due very depressed right now. Christians, as we look at what's going on in the United States facing gay marriage forced upon us. We've seen cultural decline. We seen the economy, etc., etc. we know what's going on and there is a lot of depression and a lot of anxiety not because they don't have the hope of heaven, but because were saying our world is been turned upside down and were not really sure what were supposed to do.

How do you speak to Christians about that issue.

You know the Bible says were to be salt and light in the midst of a culture that is dark and is headed down the wrong path. You know that Jesus walked out and a group of people.

Matthew chapter 5 said you assaulted your you're the light of the world and he told us to shine his message of hope and compassion and grace and forgiveness and eternal life's message of justice and peace to shine that message in the dark areas of despair and it gets harder in times when the times get darker and that gets harder to be that light, but you know what you I always have confidence in the future because God is still in the life-changing business and some of the people who I've seen who were the most ardent races who were the most pro-abortion activists who are the most help by campaigning on the wrong size of social issues. How many times have I seen God. Caesar sold them come the faith in and to see this radical turnaround in their values and their character and their and their morality, and so forth that he still in the life-changing business. I've seen them change my old own life I've seen. I have friends who been on death row is murder. So I've seen them change their life. I've seen my friend Ron was a street gang leader shot a guy in the back and God transform Ron's life and another friend who was a racist who became a pastor of a multiracial church.

I mean that there is hope in this work, as God hasn't given up on this world yet right and you wonder sometimes why didn't just walk away from the United States. What is just wipe the dust off his sandals and walked away, the nation, killing its unborn at the rate we do a summation that is is flaunting biblical morality, the way that we do.

I think I just walk away. But you know what, there is the grace of God passes human understanding and his love, at least for now is there for us in the Bible says if we repent. If we turn it will greet us with open arms and so well said. I love what Jesus said to Martha, and everybody will know this verse I in the resurrection and the life, the one who believes in me will live, even though he dies and whoever lives by believing in me will never die and asks Martha, do you believe this, and she says yes, Lord, I believe that you are the Messiah, the son of God, who is to come into the world that has not changed.

I think that's exactly the point. I am the resurrection and the life.

And if you believe in me, you will never die. How can you not have hope. When you trust in Christ that way directly on the fact that God and Jesus Christ being honest about the fact that you live in a sin stained world right and consequently we need to expect the people who were not Christians are not anti-Christian's are regular act like pagans and we shouldn't be surprised at the direction the world is going on the other hand, there is a light and and and his name is Jesus and he is given us to be light into a darkened world. He certainly has mauled the case for hope. Looking with confidence and courage to greatly times Buckley starlets erroneously.

Thank you so much my pleasure great to be with you going to talk to you will be back this archived broadcast of Janet for today is brought to you by Liberty healthcare Liberty healthcare is a nonprofit healthcare sharing ministry that allows you to control and manage your own healthcare and choose any doctor or hospital in the nation.

If your freedom loving American looking for contract free healthcare call now 855-585-4237 or go to liberty, health for more information liberty clears your post Joe today. Romans chapter 12 gives us a great admonition on the way the Christian ought to live in the way he got thank Paul writes therefore I urge you, brother, and, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God which is your spiritual service of worship.

And do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind so that you may prove what the will of God is that which is good and acceptable and perfect. Great passage and we can also add to this Proverbs 23, seven, which says for as a man thinks in his heart so is he. But how do we win this battle for our minds when we still battle with sin in the world in the flesh and the devil, and the problems that we all face in our everyday lives. How do we truly honor the Lord with the way we think rate subject morning to talk about it today with Lance Hahn who is senior pastor of Ridgeway Christian church in Rocklin, California and author of the book will be discussing called the Masters mind the art of reshaping your thoughts, Lance. It's great to have you here. Thank you so much for joining us on your program. Thank you. Well, my honor is having you here because I love this subject and I think this is a fantastic thing to address with the body of Christ. What is so important do you think just as a pastor about this art of reshaping your thoughts. What really brought you into the realm of thinking about this in the first place as an important subject for you to address. Yeah, I became very personal, very early, so for example my first book that I wrote. I wrote about the fact that I have had panic disorder since I was six years old back then we didn't know what that was but but the very heart of that is irrational thoughts that I had manifestations of panic attacks and choking fits in all these things will when your mind goes ballistic. You spend the rest of your life trying to bring it back into order and for me Jesus Christ being my hero.

He was my only hope he's the only one that understood me. The only one that could get into that dark place when no one else can help me and I knew that the only way to make things relatively right was to align my thoughts with his and let his mind come to take over my mind. Wow is horrible down, especially such a young child disorder like that and for someone who's never gone through that that involves just wipe just, you know, getting all upset and being able to on your calm yourself down, being unable to really function in some respects, was that kind of paralyzing for you and is that still a problem for you, so it is unfortunately worse than you might imagine. So when irrational. It triggers you into a fight or flight mentality. And because there's nothing to fight you want to run away because you feel like you're going to die. Problem is where you gonna run the attack is happening in your head follow you everywhere you go.

And so what it does, it creates an irrational panic fear overwhelming feeling and you feel like you're going to die. So for me I ended up. Some people have heart racing and sweaty palm things like that. My body went the other direction and it begin to feel like it was going to pass out.

My body started collapsing down or for example I would have times when I felt like I was to get sick to my stomach and I couldn't going public.

What that point I was Agoura phobic can even leave the house for a period of time to live pretty superior right ups and downs of my life. But how ironic that God has me as a pastor of a very large church in my entire life I've been in front of people doing the one thing that seems to be one of the biggest fears for everyone which is public speaking that is not necessarily a profession or calling, that you might choose if you were to have you had any issues with it while your preaching has it ever occurred while you're up on in front of the patient. Matter fact, there was where I would have my team waiting behind the stage with a chair that if I thought I was going to get weak in my knees or collapse, I would sit down and sat down and preached and there was also a season where I had one of my co-pastors. My associate pastors.

The front row with my note that if it any moment I was going to go down.

He had to stand up and finish my servant is so tough it's hard it's really hard. So what have you done about that you know people will say we are pastor, your Christian why are you allowing these irrational thoughts to take hold of you, as you say, it's really not something you can control. So how does this all tie into reshaping your thoughts. What have you learned over the years as a Christian about reshaping your thoughts and the extent to which that's helped you out. One of the reasons why I wrote these books is because I was so frustrated with the shame and the hiding that came with Christians, but not really able to bring out the light and talk about it. They thought I was a good Christian. I should have this problem will we do so we can either live or die in it right for me. What ends up happening is that half of it is chemical. So in my personal life, I actually have to take medication for the chemical side of it because that's simply good stewardship. If I do broken leg I would wear a brace or hardware cast when my mind is broken. I have to have a crutch of some sort to help me move forward.

So I handle that is a good steward.

The other half of it is really warfare in the mind and this is really what I wanted to dig into with this book, which is, as we are supposed to because of what Jesus bought for us. We are supposed to be the masterminds of our own minds, so we could submit them to the true master of our minds who bought it on the cross right yes if that's the case, then everything has to do with submitting our minds to allow the Holy Spirit to renew our minds.

So we start thinking like him and letting him call the shots. I believe the definition of success for all believers is simply this obedience because God doesn't need us, he allows us to partner with them and in order to do that he gets to say what's important and what's not. He gets to say what's real and what's false.

What's fantasy the dictator of reality and so I wanted to write a book that talked about how do we allow him to shape our worldview, not our own crazy passionate minds. It's great as you mentioned in your book size of the most common mental takeovers you talk about depression and anxiety and idolatry and addiction and anger. So clearly there are a lot of other people a lot of other Christians who can relate to what you're saying maybe they have problems with depression or anxiety. A lot of people are suffering. I think a lot of people want the freedom to be able to control their thoughts and just don't know how to do it. So where do you begin, we have the word of God the Word of God is all-powerful, what do you do as a Christian to go from having these mental takeovers to really embracing the Masters mind as you say practical beginning what you just said the word of God is so powerful for variety of reasons. I think sometimes we make it, and rightfully so very spiritual and supernatural and dramatic. I think sometimes we also need to make a practical, here's the reality for me is that I need to get my mind back into Scripture because in the Bible.

I am reminded that though the enemy is mighty around me. There are chariots of fire all the way around and that's when Elisha says to his servant. There are more for us than there are against us, Lord, would you open up his eyes to see the power of God in the Bible.

I need to be reminded that giants get slain by the little guys I need to be reminded that that Shadrach me shack and Abednego Natalie walk through fire but there was even the smell of smoke on their close. That means that I have a victorious God that the world is not just simply random that God is the one that is in charge and raining on the throne and when I get my head into a practical space where I am victorious with the Lord. Things began to come back in alignment and calm down. So true. There's so much to flesh out and what you just said in one of the things I want to delve into a little bit when we come back from this break is something that you have sat here lands in a Christian's entire identity needs to be shaped by the reality of what Christ did on the cross. I love that you said that and I want to talk more about that when the comeback plan time with us the Masters mind the art of reshaping your thoughts is but a return right after this Jennifer today. Did you know that by Melissa believers around the world are praying to receive their very own copy of God's word to the Ministry of Bible league international you can send those Bibles today here from Mang in Vietnam. If you don't have Bible how they can find a proof because the Bible like a man bring them to find the truth, and many people they are really hungry for the word of God and then delete the Bible know is a pastor in Ghana praying for Bibles for former Muslim radicals now following Christ. And I was forced into an arranged marriage to an abusive atheist in Albania, but her godly witness changed his heart and now he needs a Bible. Amelia lost everything after his home was burned by terrorists in Mexico and he's praying for a Bible to share Christ with others, will you be the answer to these pleas for God's word.

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A Christian's entire identity needs to be shaped by the reality of what Christ did on the cross talk a little bit about the connection between what Christ did for us and what our identity should be the Christian life is all from the same root like Jesus. When we said yes to him as our Savior are rescue work. He put a package on our doorstep.

The whole rest of our Christian life is opening up the package and going while he gave me what you gave me that he gave me that he gave me that because of what Jesus did on the cross was changing everything in nature and super nature.

It means that what he did it. He took very concept of forgiveness, the very concept of grace is a whole lifetime of unpacking. We will wait God loves me total now that just like I love my two daughters. I'm never going to not love them that I am in a new state of being that my Christian life is no longer performance-based is now love and grace base its response in gratitude and and one after another, like every sermon or from the heart. What Jesus did on the cross by changing the very core of who we are igniting our divine nature. All that is now just unpacking every day of our Christian life. That's great. I think of so many times when the apostle Paul was making that exact same point to all the different churches that he was penning letters to remember who you are Christian, do you think that that's one of our biggest problems in the church as we forget who we are in Jesus Christ. I think that you are so right. It's the idea of how did Jesus respond to the temptation of the devil and a lot of it went back to going on another note, I know my father and I know who I am. So no, you don't get to tell me who I you don't get to distort me. You don't get to tell me a different way of living.

I know who I am and if you read just what you said Janet you're so brilliant is that all before you would go to what challenge he would remind them of identity every time.

And the reason why the Bible has so many challenges for us or holes to live higher is because we were built to already. That's a great plain really great points. Now things Lance that comes to mind when you're talking about embracing our new identities in our callings in the Lord is something else that you mentioned in the book where you say we don't send because we don't love God, we sin because we don't fully understand and embrace these new identities and callings that we have from the Lord. So when were talking on the one hand, about anxious thoughts or depressing thoughts. There's the other component which is sinful thoughts and this is an area we all struggle and I thought something really mean nobody knows. I actually thought it but the Lord knows I thought it this is a point of daily struggle. I know I struggle with this. I'm sure everybody does is listening to some extent, what do we do about the thoughts that come into our minds that displease the Lord because that can be a real form of mental torture for as I don't think this anymore Lord. But what do I do think that we operate vacuum and that's never going to work. So for example we we don't do this, don't do this, don't do this don't do that and it ends up taking out things out of the hole but doesn't fill them with anything positive and what that ends up doing is a vacuum creates a sucking motion and it holds things into it so we end up needing to do is replace that which is negative with that which is positive to be able to shove out the bad stuff. So when it comes to sin. Think about it this way, that when we feel like what other people what other people think of us matters more than what God thinks about were going to cut corners within a compromise were to do things that are wrong.

If we feel like mankind is our only source of satisfaction were going to crave them and were going to use them as a consumable, if we have this constant longing for something more because were not living in God's natural rhythm and were too exhausted and wiped out where to fill it with drugs and sex and working to fill it with all these crazy things because were to empty. And that's not how we built us right so were going back to what you said earlier about the power of the word of God and not only is it supernatural, but it's practical. So how do you deal with people in your congregation. For example, the same really struggling with my thoughts.

Pastor I'm reading my Bible. What do I do as a Christian to apply the word of God to my life in a way that will affect my thoughts.

I think that thing we need to do is we need to stop making it worse.

Yes, we need to turn off the autopilot and on a plane autopilot run automatically.

We need to grab back the steering wheel and we need to be thinking and living purposefully so. For example, as opposed to going through our normal habits.

Every day we have to do this idea of we. What am I doing, why am I doing this and we have to do a little bit more self reflection to begin to see the unhealthy patterns and remake them. So for example if you finish at the end of the day and you look back and you go. Why was I so snappish man I was on everybody's case this person and this person what is going on with me and then you pray through it.

Lord, I'm a mess.

I'm so mean today what you trying to tell me what is wrong with me and that's when the Holy Spirit speaks in the moment and all this in all these thoughts start flooding in your mind when you know what you're way over exhausted at work you're kind of being a workaholic or you know what when a person wounded you. You never even processed it all that garbage coming up and you're still mad these types of things that we process through them. They begin to heal. Little by little and the power the Holy Spirit. The word of God. Prayer, worship, all that stuff becomes practical and it begins in this together are really important things is something else that you said earlier Lance, which is the importance of obedience you say in the book we no longer have to sin. I am so glad to hear that because sometimes I will read a Christian bookstore. I read an article from a Christian who says while working to be sinners until Christ redeems us finally and were in heaven with him, which is absolutely true, but there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of discussion or at least that is the extent to which, I think it's needed that as a Christian because you are now.

Someone with a new nature you've been born again by the spirit of God, you are a new creature in Christ that you do have an obligation.

Jesus said if you love me will keep my commandments. Can you talk about the importance of obedience in the Christian life right there I was now way out.

So the obedient thing that I think we forget, we keep thinking that we are just like the world but you have to remember the world does not have the light on, which means they have no option but to sin and you go about how true they can be good people I'm talking about morality. I'm talking about sin. Sin is anything contrary to the nature of God. If they do not know the Lord if they do not have the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, then they cannot align with someone they do not know therefore their only option is to sin. But the moment Jesus Christ rescues us in the Holy Spirit comes to indwell us and the light turns on you now know the one you in our hearing from the one you now have a different reality like the matrix it comes alive in your world and you know what's real and you now can choose to pursue the Lord, you no longer have to sin is actually suddenly a choice for you and that's why God says whoa whoa whoa you keep saying that you can't do that I've given you everything you need for life and God giving our I have given you authority I have given you an identity so the idea that you have to somehow fall is just not practical anymore.

So don't let yourself be fooled. That is so well sad and I think that gives a lot of people salt because were finally understanding more about the grace of God in the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ. He is set you free to have an abundant life, and I think it's just a great book.

The Masters mind the art of reshaping your thoughts Lance Hahn with us, who is senior pastor of Ridgeway Christian church in Rocklin, California, and such enjoy having her Lance. It was great to have you. Thank you so much. You are amazing. Thank you for the opportunity was my pleasure. God bless you Lance Hahn again the name of the book the Masters mind you for joining us here enchantment for today will see next time

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