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November 25, 2020 2:30 pm

What is the sin of silent pastors? Shane Idleman, lead pastor of Westside Christian Fellowship in California, joins me to talk about it. Plus: Why did the Southern Baptist Convention's Dr. Al Mohler just invite Sharia supremacists to address the Evangelical Theological Society? And The Parents Television Council's Tim Winter discusses the best and worst TV advertisers of the last quarter-century. That's next time on Tuesday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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This archived broadcast of Janet Mefford today is brought to you by pre-born for $140 you can provide ultrasounds to five women in crisis pregnancies, now 855402, baby. That's 855-402-2229 or Janet is our confidence is in Christ alone is sort of nights is part of New Jersey County and Cove 19 measures this order. Of course, came from the same Gov. Gov. Gavin Newsom who attended an opulent and indoor Napa birthday party attended by curiously enough California medical Association officials now thankfully the shares for Riverside, Los Angeles and Orange counties all said compliance with the stay-at-home order would be voluntary, not mandatory, but what the church is in California. Most of them still aren't meeting in person and the ones that are have been faced with all kinds of legal fights and this is what is it about eight months now into the pandemic.

When we now know the virus has an average survival rate of 99.98% and when is San Diego judge recently ruled that California strip clubs can't be shuttered anymore because they're engaging in legally protected speech. This brings us to a bigger question that I have been asking for a long time now. Why aren't more pastors in California standing up to this loss of freedom in their state. Why are so many of them refusing to speak up.

One response to all of this, my next guest is now speaking out about this in of silent pastors and were gonna talk about it was Shane Heideman, founder and lead pastor of Westside Christian Fellowship in Lancaster, California and also Leona Valley seems so great to have you here. How are you doing great great to talk with you against rush on this very important topic of the nation's crumbling from within him earlier and we knew that voice of truth well tell you I want to talk through what is going on in California and I want to get your take on the silence of so many pastors would you put out a great video about you now have a situation where your governor is getting more and more authoritarian is the Cove 19 numbers go up, but it is obvious based on your states policy so far that lockdowns don't work. We know from this new really rigorous medical study done in Denmark and some other studies to that masks basically don't work. What is your reaction to Gov. Newsom taking away more of your freedom in California under the guise of protecting you. When these kinds of measures have done. Not much to protect you from this virus, we thought we all pretty much much withdrew when we do know what this what we do know what we're up against.

But then when the new starts to come out of all be inconsistencies like you said strip clubs are allowed to be open for to go to the governors at a party of 30 people notice and signal mouse and the list of inconsistencies and with the death rate. Like you said even challenged our own local facials was we got okay where are the flu update or pneumonia. What everything is covert so the pulpits of all we set the tone of the nation. Whether you go back to election day sermons in the in the 1800s, or the Reformation. They will go to the pulpit for the truth and so my concern is the pastors are not looking at what's going on terminating what is right and wrong and then letting the congregation know or letting your those under their care and okay, here's the truth. This is a false narrative because now there so much shenanigans of the churches have to be the ones leading the charge of being open.

Whether you look at the Constitution.

Whether you look at how the governor now is treating it like you have the draconian is a great word for that because that's exactly what this is. I think what happens if you keep pushing and pushing and see who keeps staying underneath is no course thing this with humility and not being proud of both one wanting to just be rebellious but at some point and at some time.

The church us to stand up and be the church and in our silence of speaking volumes.

Well, it is talk a little bit about where your church is right now because I know you've been outside you been doing some stadium events and so forth, which is been a great way of dealing with the issue of gathering together, not forsaking the assembly of believers. Where do things stand right now with your church and and you're assembling together were in Los Angeles County. Believe it or not, and we are we been open now since October 24 that week and we went back into the facility. Talking with like Jackie. Of course with John MacArthur's doing.

About an hour away so work were back in the facility were helping church and that's why put up a video and the article is you sing a lot of pastors were being controlled by either the deacon board, or they're not wanting to upset up, not wanting to offend or they're just not there not being spending time with God and not feel with the spirit that upholding wanting to be the voice of truth and so you see, I'm just amazed at all the churches that are staying close and the main reason that I am hearing are because you know we need to listen to the governor and because of our liability insurance won't cover it so that that's the biggest right here in California but you both of those you can dismantle because the governors actually disobeying the Constitution well right this is the house to say the insurance angle is very interesting. So is it the case that these churches are worried that they will run afoul of some kind of insurance problem. If people contract Cove 19 and then what are they thinking people would sue the church over that wheel we heard from insurance companies but will not cover general liability claims on COBIT before disobeying the government. I see I see how it how you get it how summary going to prove it.

A court of law that they caught the virus up church yeah yeah it is really a fear because how many 1950 years, the church should worry about liability and I know I'm trying to project that back on the early church ain't.

It's not really working for me. I don't think the apostles would've cared to think about their insurance policies cracked me up. Churches are spending $60,000 to rent a tent outside and the tenant very you know it's it's it's not like it you think of a camping tent it's it's heavy duty and you know it keeps some of the cold out but how is that okay were now damp.

There's no circulating air. You got the same issues with the virus. Even some experts even more so, but so you move the inside, outside, as long as the outside of inside you're okay. It's just the inconsistencies are are exactly mind-boggling and the mega churches you know some of them.

That's the big thing is they don't want to spread the virus they want to submit to the government and their worried you insurance won't cover them yeah the big so dumb at this point going in right you're right. We did discuss this earlier when this thing first came upon us in March we all didn't know what we were dealing with 15 days to slow the spread in all that we can't because everything was a big? Now that we know lockdowns don't work. As I mentioned before in the masks are basically useless. Are there more Christians who are beginning to say hey wait a minute, there's all this mounting evidence not just about those things but the fact that the strip clubs can stay open in the abortion clinics in the liquor stores and our hypocrisy. You know the hypocrisy of our governor that you know he just keeps up you'll just go do whatever he wants to do his own winery is fine he can go to these fancy dinners and that's fine. At what point do Christians go work were being had and as the body of Christ were all going to stand up collectively will be encouraged. I see so many people you know, saying enough is enough. Our church or church size of double COBIT finances. Finances are out of the roof, people driving an hour to two hours to the services were having Wednesday night worship services were having prayer every single morning everything the more you think giving the morning till eight in the morning and people drop so there's a hunger there's a desire hearing for people you'll thank you Pastor for standing up and end but not this rebellious type of attitude, shaking her for some that are hit or fit our office in the face with a like you said okay the numbers are off. It's being used as an agenda. Hospitals are making a lot of money were not getting right information they're using this as a II think a reset to some degree of global reset economy the economy being reset something because even Biden. If you selected which I don't think it can happen.

He is going to push that even more and more and try to get our economy to collapse. So people need to realize this is about two different Americas and now the pulpits like the Philly the famous patriot gave his life. I only regret that I one life to give my country will we should be saying only that one like to give my Lord and Savior. The church is staying open yes were using with that.

We want people to get sick. We want to spread it but we see now that this is being used and stuff and that's we have to have that actively asked to ask for what they said we whether whether we believe the government that's up to you but were going to believe God to move out into the into the power the Holy Spirit will think marriage is restored of life changes. It's amazing what God is doing well. This is all very important. It's why you put out your recent video saying and I want to get into the details of some of the things that you said in this silent pastors were to come back with Shane Heideman right after this content. This is Janet Mefford for Bible league international Mabel walks 18 miles to church every Sunday. She lives in Zimbabwe where churches are widely scattered in remote regions of this African country. That's one reason why she travels so far the other reason she walks 9 miles each way is that the gospel has truly captured her heart after coming to faith in Jesus Christ. Mabel reads and studies her Bible and she's discovered that the gospel is meant to be shared with others. So with the help of Bible league international she's learning to share her fame she's helping to see a church develop closer to her village finals are desperately needed in Africa and around the world right now and you can send one to a finalist believer today for only five dollars dollars will send 10 Bibles become a viable center today by calling 800 yes were 800 Whiting asked WORD 800 yes word or there's a manager, Janet open enrollment is here in choosing a healthcare program is an important decision for you and your family as a member of Liberty healthcare here part of a community that comes together to share their medical expenses. You can sign up now with membership starting as early as the following month and there are no contracts or commitments program start as low as $349 per month and there's no network so you can choose your own doctors and hospitals. Liberty healthcare is a nonprofit ministry not insurance so your money goes toward helping other members with their eligible medical expenses and in your time of need. Other members are there for you to, you can feel good knowing your part of a community of like-minded individuals who understand the importance of people coming together to bear one another's burdens. You can find out That's liberty liberty you're listening to you back right happy when I seen I don't is joining us and were so glad he is. He is founder and lead pastor Westside Christian Fellowship in California and were talking about some of these issues pertaining to the renewed draconian measures of COBIT 19 that are coming down upon the people of California and I'm still scratching my head. After all this time wondering why more believers don't push back. You know the thing about the hypocrisy Shane.

It really gets to me. It's not just your governor. It's the speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and her hair salon.

It's the governor you know these other governors and and people like Nancy not only Nancy Pelosi but also Lori Lightfoot, the mayor of Chicago, and she's getting her hair done and she's reveling in the Biden to suppose a victory for Pres. All of these leftists who are being very tyrannical about.

Oh no, you must stay like that. He must elect and they're not locking down so what we do with that. In what and how is that really tying in with your issue of the sin of silent pastors woke up hoping a lot of people are watching the wrong new source of narrative. You know you looking to see it and you think the world falling apart of cultural default and so but my hoping with the sin of silent pastors is more mainly to encourage them and challenge them because if you're spending time in God's word broken humble having prayer meetings filled filled with the spirit what's going to flow out of you to be boldness, not to be, well, I don't know what school I should for a while. When we want to love our neighbor. We want to, you know, it's just a bunch of garbage which had a better term to their pets work it's reflecting the spiritual condition of our churches is so when you talk about the sin of silent pastors. What would you say that sin is executor sin is the silent because bite by saying nothing.

We speak volumes.

So wink what it got to about the silent watchman in Ezekiel in the different profit silent watchman you were to warn the people you're to be that that trumpet that alarm to sound the alarm and and wake my people up, but they were silent, and that's often goes along with a cowardly mess and some thing a lot of churches that are just the cowards. They don't want it they don't want to go up up against this mandate, they don't want to open the churches regardless of what the cost might be.

And so we think. Cowardly mess with things like people wanting to please their board of worrying and fear and doubt because of not spending that significant time with God and in so that was my whole point. I want them to think oh here's what were doing it were right everyone's wrong I would be out. I would be very cowardly if it was not work for the work of God's spirit in my heart is my life that boldness comes now, like-minded pastors getting together so the sin of silent pastors as being silent and not saying nothing when you should be saying something what what you think is paramount for pastors to be saying if they no longer remain silent. They are staying in the word of God. They are being broken before the Lord. What will that message look like if they get into their pulpits and start speaking what would you prefer that they say and what you think they ought to say, well, they also I think should have a pretty good grip on what's really going on. That takes a little bit of homework you don't not like a federal, you don't just get up and see it in you you you go to trusted new sources and you look at what's really going on. Like you said, the death rate. The statistics fluid and and also what the government is trying to do by silencing the church so that that worked out. Answer question that would be from the pulpit. You know you're going through God's word and you talk about boldness you talk about will gotta be the church.

We got a come together to pray for the sick. We got it minister to those whose marriages are falling apart and look at the alcoholic alcoholism that skyrocketed in the repression suicide and we got to be that voice and income together for that in lifestream just like in the cut in the know it's not and you look at some of the numbers as attendees and how attendance has really fallen off when people are going to an online only scenario not to mention was again were back to the hypocrisy angle because if the strip clubs, and they portion clinics can do it in Walmart can be open and you have all these other businesses and Newsom can frolic at a party in Napa. Why in the world. Should the church stay close that it it doesn't make any sense to me.

You know something else when we were talking about the issue of tyranny you would mention acts. For example, in the bravery, the courage and the boldness of the early church and how silly it would have been if they had been in our times for them to sit around and going okay. We just won't assemble for a year. No problem, and I can't see that happening, but we are a nation that was founded uniquely founded on this stance against tyranny that is a very American thing.

All you need to do is go back and read the Declaration of Independence and you can see and remind yourself of what we were as a nation and we would never have had an American revolution had it not been for brave Christian pastors. They were called the Black robed Regiment and they were the ones who would preach and they would talk about standing up against tyranny and then they would put on their uniforms and go out and fight the British that spirit, Shane.

We more like that as Christians today.

Well I for my perspective that I should probably clarify to not just an American thing. If the biblical faith sure because the government is to be at care to those who do evil. But if a person is good to be a protector to be a protector of the church elder and enemy of the church and God's word clear on that. But the founding of America, you know, it was the pulpit setting the tone for the nation, and I just don't think a lot of people against false narratives, not reading early American history.

The pilgrims and the Puritans coming over the Constitution the founders referenced the Bible four times more than any source when they put together the Constitution they had days of prayer and plot rep brought a proclamation. Benjamin Franklin noted he was even a Christian that if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without God's notice, is it probable that the empire can rise without his aid.

So there's a constant aid to reliance on God and the main thing is we want God's word to be honored, how we get a flight sexual perversion of the sex trafficking the abortion industry.

The agenda of the LGBT. How are we going to do that if we don't, not the church owner preaching from the pulpit and being bold in the very very loving but very bold. So I think a lot of people don't have accurate view of American history that we have a lot these millennia, pastors apologizing for being white or getting about all the founders or the practice of slavery that was brought in by Great Britain. They forget about William Wilberforce and the movement to forget that the Republican party without your party to help free you so that they don't have an accurate view of American history.

So were getting their narratives in their preaching some appoints from CNN and things like that. So the very misled and deceived. It's very hard and you know you think about it at a time when you have all of these people who are still not back to normal life and you have as you mentioned before, this great reset which you talked about on the show. Before this, you know endeavor.

This initiative of the world economic forum to know trading capitalism for technocracy and that's the direction that a lot of these leaders want us to go but it's gonna get ugly for the church.

Shane, I mean if we can't stand up now. How are we to stand up in 510 years. If the agenda that these leftists and globalists want to implement actually comes to pass. You have it not just as a small example when you talk about the LGBT agenda Joe Biden and the Democrats are all on board with the equality act and when the equality act passes God for bed that is going to be effectively a criminalization of Christianity. I don't even see most Christians realizing this is coming down the pike and any you think of how the devil would use this kind of thing shut the church down keep the church silent keep those people from getting together keep those people from being strengthened.

According to the word of God.

It's a perfect plan. In many ways, not for us for the enemy to be able to advance his agenda what your thoughts on all of that without a lot of impact my the bullet points are you write this in August and I told pastors.

I wrote articles, the stream Christian post-Christian headlines cruise maneuvers and telling them if you don't open now, you're not going to open. We called Lucy to get here in another narrative, another push and so it's it's been you know many of us knew this was coming and these pastors in these churches I believe are to fade away and God is raising up that remnant church that remnant boys are all over. There's a lot of California what people give up over Texas and Nashville and you I talked a lot of pastors who are on fire for God and have to be that voice of truth remember a thing with Alex de Tocqueville. The lease which credited to him that he traveled all over America to find out why she so well-known why she so great and he said it wasn't.

I went to the churches of America and I heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness. Then I understood why America is great. She is great because she is good and so getting that God God uses the pulpit. God uses the church to be that voice of conscience to the nation so more that fading away, the more you know, truth is fading away, but captured up equality act yet about that will shut Bible believing church is down because you can't talk about any of the controversial issues and that's what gets me really worked up as people are concerned about present trumps tweets is not the direction of our nation's on it's it's mind-boggling is which is why I'm so supportive of the message you're trying to get out, Shane is so important. Can you speak to what I believe is really a fundamental issue. In addition to something is mentioned, which is pastors being real believers and inerrancy inerrancy of Scripture, but the fear of man versus the fear of God is that plants all of this. Oh boy, that's a good you… Your point, I did miss a lot of these churches that are opening our what we would consider a liberal in their theology, or the very few Scripture there's there's not a high view of God's word. We may use it when it supports their cause, but when it doesn't support the cause, the kind of you, don't throw it to the side and so when you don't have a high view of inerrancy it's like you know Paul might've been confused and here's what I think is doing a new thing and in love is our biggest mandated Scriptures are our oldest for the culture of that day really doesn't apply now you lose all the power because the power of God's word is in the application of all of it. You can't cherry pick just certain things it's it's when a pastor throughout America. They need to surrender their lives in fear of leaving the marriage of the Scripture Holy Spirit would you guide me and direct me that from that reservoir.

If truth in the boldness of the spirit. They will preach the totality of God's word so inerrancy is absolutely essential. I believe it falls back on that are not there not many pastors are not looking at God's word and that way you're right saying it's just all so important for us.

We need to pray for these pulpit Shane Shane thanks so much for being here. Always great to talk to you and we love your program under California. A lot of people listening, so keep it up some. We love you guys to. Thanks so much for your support. Shane will talk next time will be back on Tina Mefford today. After this this archived broadcast of Janet Mefford today is brought to you by pre-born for $140 you can provide ultrasounds to five women in crisis pregnancies. Call now 855402, baby.

That's 855-402-2229 or Janet Janet Mefford today and here's your host Joe Mefford. Well, as we head into the Christmas season, you may be paying more attention to the ads that you see on TV during some of your favorite shows, but which companies are doing the best job advertising unclean family shows and which ones are doing the worst job advertising on shows that advocate inappropriate sexual or violent content is always the parents television Council is keeping track of who is advertising where so you can protect your family and in honor of its own 25th anniversary.

The group is now out with a list of the best and worst TB advertisers over the past 25 years sorta talk about it now at 10 Winter president of the parents television Council team so great to have you here again, how are you will always good to talk to you to first congratulations on your 25th year you guys have done a lot of good work over the years and that is quite an achievement. Thank you very much. A labor of love and we were in here, what things would look like. We know they learn what they we would like them to be in the media, but if we weren't here. I agree with you completely. And that's why I'm always glad to talk to you. So let's talk about this 25 year advertiser list.

You have a list of various advertisers on the worst column in the best, let's start with the worst because I like to end with the good news. But when were talking about the worst at the top of the list you have target what makes target the worst advertiser over the past 25 years. What are they doing in particular. As far as where there placing their ads complete own to the concerns of parents and families when it comes to how they abandoned their their dollars.

They have routinely sponsored the most explicit stuff on prime time and monkey broadcast and cable profane and we have showed up at their shareholder meeting a number of times the shareholders to call on them in front of the Board of Directors in front of shareholders to improve their bond or their media buying practices and just steadfastly refused to do so and when you have such a large advertisers target you think that we would want to support families mother prime markets with their media buying decisions so they have a poor, poor habits, but they said that they refuse any consideration when we talk to them directly interesting. Today give you any reasons for that. They explained why they want to continue on the present course, they do not you know it's unlike most other corporations when we go when we speak before shareholder meeting with the CEO understands how important it is for them to be a trusted brand for mom's workshop brand for families for us because most of the corporations, even the ones that have appeared on our worst list.

Realize that you know what there's something that they're saying here that is correct and we should reevaluate. We consider to do so is a real tragedy. Do you know how much they're spending per year, or over the course of the past 25 years to do TV advertising. I don't have that data point in front of me. I'm sorry I get it for you, nor is that what we what we do know is that they are one of the largest advertising and corporate America. No there there targets everywhere and there competing fiercely with some of their competitors one of which will talk about that's right. Well, actually, let's go there since that makes a lot of sense. The number one best advertiser you've listed is Walmart and this is interesting because Walmart and target as I'm sure you would concur are basically big, big box stores there reaching families. They offer similar products. Why disparity do you think between the way Walmart chooses to advertise on TV in the way Target does come down to corporate commitment and met with both companies and I can tell you what I want to write some at Walmart. They as a matter of critical importance want to be the most trusted brand for mom shopping and they they do is not just lip service if their actions support their words that they want to be a brand for mom and so is a corporation that from from the top to the bottom really embraces all that is a big difference.

So going back to the worst column you have other companies listed here. You have Yum Brands, for example, that would incorporate pizza, hot KFC, Taco Bell, you got you a lever which is the parent company of brands like Hellmann's mayonnaise and die.

Nor what about some of these others on the list. Not as bad as target but similar kinds of advertising choices when you go up sometimes you see your company on our workload will sponsor good programming. The problem is that they'll alter a lot of the really negative programming and they refuse to try to ship those dollars away from the negative towards the positive companies like Toyota number five on our worst lithosphere is not sure but this is a 25 or look back and point out all of his companies. This isn't just a one off. This is a 25 year pattern of commitment to corporate fiber corporate culture over and over decades that were trying to connect the dots here and we have no Toyota, Sprint, T-Mobile, worthless Peter companies that every once in a while though, make really good decisions. But over the 25 year. They can't seem to get their own way when it comes to making good decisions all the time. That's a shame you got calls on the list. I think you and I have discussed calls and it's advised for, but over 25 years still makes me scratch my head a bit, because that seems like a very family-friendly store in a lot of ways trying to reach the same sort of demographic what's up with them. Worst time you are the one you think the cold would be very very supportive of family programming. Unfortunately relate to just routinely ignored her concerns when it comes to some of the negative program sponsor good shows, but they also sponsor a lot of the shows and they refuse to budge when we reach out and point out to them. Hey, do you want to be associated with this type of explicit content they routinely ignore any concerns. That's a shame. Can you give us some specifics on some of the worst shows on which some of these companies are advertising about 25 years.

So a lot of shows no longer on the air and maybe our listeners would would recognize some of them but going back to like the family Guy cartoon family Guy which is very explicit. This marketed to children like the Mick which was a show that includes encourage children show children engaged in and in the profanity in the distress but disrespect for authority in the causation of children and it seems more violent programming over the last several years from the shows that the work work comp dramas, but that really had excessive violence shows that on cable that were very no circulating profane and then violent. So it's really a broad swath over 25 years were mostly shows are not even on the air anymore but telemark mark and you know it really comes down to the PDC would count every instance of violence and propriety only shows and to see which corporations were sponsoring them routinely, the shows that were the worst of the worst programs. These advertisers on the worst list were almost always on that list.

That's crazy and it's disappearance to know about this so you know who to target and who to talk to and say listen we don't appreciate what you're doing and sponsoring some of these terrible shows in many cases, and on the best column we have companies.

In addition, Walmart like Coca-Cola, Procter & Gamble, General Mills, Fords, Smuckers, and T.J. Maxx. Now that's an interesting because you put them at seven and you put calls at seven on the worst last. It's very interesting to me how you have stores that are very very similar but making really different advertising choices important for her parents who are concerned about how you corporations are dollars what they are sponsoring with their dollars.

If you can say will have to go to a big box retailer will you have a juxtaposition of Walmart and target the best and the worst number one on both lists. Walmart best target worst same thing. We get to T.J. Maxx and Marshall's home goods on TJX and Kohl's. Same thing if you wanted her hungry and you want to go out you want to grab a quick burger we would encourage you to Wendy's one is on our best with Burger King on our wish list. There are good choices but choices when it comes to supporting this criteria specifically and we hope that the parents and families are aware of this and are factoring it into their purchasing decisions.

I think it's really important because we are making a lot of decisions. As I said, heading into the Christmas season. You have choices out there and you need to check them out. You can go to Paris and find out more about this list of the best and worst TV advertisers over the last 25 years similar with us always good to talk to you Tim, thanks so much for being with us again, thank you to. Thanks again for being here will be right back. Open enrollment is here and choosing a healthcare program is an important decision for you and your family as a member of liberty held shares your part of a community that comes together to share their medical expenses. You can sign up now with membership starting as early as the following month and there are no contracts or commitments program start as low as $349 per month and there's no network so you can choose your own doctors and hospitals liberty health chair is a nonprofit ministry not insurance so your money goes toward helping other members with their eligible medical expenses and in your time of need. Other members are there for you to, you can feel good knowing your part of a community of like-minded individuals who understand the importance of people coming together to bear one another's burdens. You can find out That's liberty liberty how the ministry of pre-born is there for moms in crisis who are choosing between life and death for their pre-born babies meet Sophie at 22 weeks pregnant. Sophie was pressured by her mother and boyfriend to terminate her pregnancy. After meeting with a pre-born counselor. She found the love and support she needed and I sign I was looking at the pictures over and over and over again when I decided I was going to Sophie chose life and now she's awaiting the birth of her baby girl every day. Pre-born is on the front lines fighting Planned Parenthood to help young moms just like Sophie to choose life for a gift of $140 today you can help to rescue five babies lives and now through a matching gift. Your gift will be doubled rescuing 10 babies lives to donate, call 855402, baby. That's 855-402-2229 or there's a banner to you're listening to vacuum.

I recall back in March I did an entire show.

Actually, a couple of different shows on that interfaith dialogue that took place between JD Greer, the president of the Southern Baptist convention and an Islamist Omar silly mine and we did. All I did a whole show and played clips from that and then we did another show with Dr. Andrew Bost on the Islamic expert talking about silly mine and all of the problems with Christians opening the doors in either naïveté or just stupidity and same world to come together and just dialogue. And isn't this wonderful and why do think it's important for us to talk to people who are Christians. I think that by and large, the reason we want to do that is we want them to know the Lord Jesus Christ and so we want to reach out to them in the name of Jesus so we can bring them to Jesus, by the grace of God. That's the main goal that we should have in addition to just being nice people and kind and loving to people who are not like us. I'm fine with that. I'm not okay with interfaith dialogue because it's not biblical. There is no call in the New Testament or the Old Testament to gather together with people who don't know the Lord and just pretend like it's okay because were united on religious freedom points and that's all the further we need to go with that. I don't agree with that. I don't think that that's showing love for our neighbor. Ultimately, which is ironically the phrase that the SBC ponchos like to throw around JD Greer being one of them. Another SBC honcho.

This is quite significant story in Christianity today. Muslims join evangelical theology conference. It says it's not often that a Muslim appears that an evangelical theological gathering Al Mohler invited three the trim down 72nd annual conference of the Evangelical theological Society, which was held virtually usually welcomes up to 2000 top scholars.

This year's theme, Islam and Christianity." Here from Al Mohler who is the president of Southern Baptist theological seminary and also served as ETS program chair saying we are called to truth into understanding the world around us more accurately and thoughtfully, that certainly includes our understanding of Islam which has from the beginning, represented an enormous challenge to Christian evangelism, apologetics, theology, and cultural engagements. So who is invited to this austere gathering of the Evangelical theological Society, which by the way Wikipedia describes in its history as established in 1949 in response to a quote keenly pre-perceived need for interaction and wider dissemination of conservative research on biblical and theological issues.

That's the Evangelical theological Society. What I find kind of interesting is when you go to the actual ETS website.

It doesn't have conservative and it's about the ETS description of the organization South take that for what it's worth, who did the invite though to be part of this austere group of the Evangelical theological Society in the moderator of this particular panel on Islam and evangelical Christianity. Understanding our neighbor Muslims and evangelicals in conversation. The panelists include time so you Seth Osma Dean and Mohammed modulate now you might not know those names you might know the name Darrell Bock he's from the Dallas theological seminary and also John Hartley from Yale and see Donald Smedley from the Rivendell Institute at Yale. They were the panelists here and you might say DTS what in the world. Yeah, that's another show altogether. So you, Seth Osma, Dean and Mohammed modulate.

Who are these people peacefully in a little bit on who these people are Osma Dean is somebody who actually came up just recently because she was at national religious broadcasters panel and Frank Gaffney from the Center for security studies had a real problem with this they were doing all panel there is at NRB and his quotes when he was talking about this Frank Gaffney. He said of her. She's a sharia supremacist. I hope that you will not be misled into believing that this individual and what she stands for, and most importantly what she's doing with organizations like the Council on American Islamic relations, one of the most aggressive Muslim Brotherhood front organizations in the country must not be endorsed even if it's implicitly by this organization.

Meaning and RB. I had hoped that she would not be given a platform she is. I trust you will listen attentively and tentatively and I hope that you will not yourself. Give her a platform. So, Frank Gaffney, a guy who deals with the issues of Islamists and sharia supremacist them all the time it is done. Fantastic work exposing the Muslim brotherhood raised some very strong concerns about normalizing somebody like this to Christians is no problem here, and in addition to that, Andrew Boston had written a very long article in Osma Dean and the headline here at Jihad watch was Osma Dean about hateful sharia supremacist them in America. This is just a little portion of it grotesquely consistent with a diatribe that she did. He said against Frank Gaffney for denouncing Muslims who seek to actively impose or enable sharia totalitarianism in America. Her book includes a rhetorical acid attack on the courageous Somali Muslim conscientious objector to Islam IN her see Olley. She dismisses meaning deemed as she dismisses ions first-hand accounts of actual sharia-based practices and morays as stories of genital mutilation, child marriage, and honor killings purportedly justified on the basis of Islam also talks about her ties to care and says Osma Dean is most assuredly not the defender of religious liberty. She claims to be her vicious counterfactual attacks on intrepid opponents of sharia, supremacist and canonical Islamic religious bigotry conjoined to Dean's disingenuous sharia apologetics failure to repudiate overtly sure sharia supremacist on jet which is a judicial group, a large group and open support for Omar Suleiman on oh, wait a minute that's the guy who did the neighborly faith interfaith dialogue in March with JD Greer. They make plain. She's a cynical willing waiting I should say a batter of hateful liberty crushing sharia totalitarianism so that was one of Al Mohler's taxi have caused my use of who is the founder's eye tuna college. You can look that up at the Clarion project at one point he did apologize for this but at one point Yusuf called Judaism the most racist religion endorsed a letter back in 2014. Opposing the Islamic state terrorist groups tactics, but endorsed sharia governance is brutal, could punishments the recreation of a caliphate and the Islamist doctrine of gradualism say can look up that there's lots online about this. I'm not to get into all of this. And then of course we come to Mohammed mod kid who was the former president of the Islamic Society of North America, founded by Muslim Brotherhood members and there is all kinds of problematic issues there with that particular individual. She can look up that but but I do want to throw in this one thing, because to me this is one of the big ones. This is from 2013, over at the investigative Project on terrorism. I remember covering the story. The time he came out and it says an Egyptian magazine has claimed that six American Islamist activists who work with the Obama administration are Muslim brotherhood operatives who enjoy strong influence over US policy, one of which was email Mohammed Magy and president of the Islamic Society of North America at the time he had had it up is not founded by Brotherhood members. He was appointed by Obama in 2011 as an advisor to the Department of Homeland Security.

By the way, he is said by the discover the networks website run by FrontPage Magazine and Dave Horwitz, who runs Jihad watch, to have been very key in making sure that the countering violent extremism curriculum that was put out by the Department of Homeland security took out any references of terrorism being linked to Islam. These are Al Mohler's pics to click at the Evangelical theological Society absolutely incredible and you read through this Christianity today story and the whole thing is like all Christians are terrible. Same thing happened with Greer by the way all Christians are just so so wrong and they're so fearful and they just they support trump the strong man that was the thing with the Greer interfaith dialogue, but says here was the challenge of cultural engagement that led ETS to reach out to the Muslim panelists and it was called understanding our neighbor John Hartley from Yale said we don't resist the idea we must love Muslims but we hesitate and keep silent because of politics is so messy. This leaves the field open for those who spread hate Osma who Dean who I described to you before described the well-funded Islam. A phobia network that tars Muslims in the political left in a joint conspiracy to take over the world. She cited pew research Center statistics finding white evangelicals to be twice as likely as Americans overall to support Pres. trumps Muslim.

It wasn't a Muslim man.

It was a national security banned from terrorist linked countries. There are plenty of Muslim countries that still were allowed to send people over to the United States. But this is an absolutely incredible story and neighborly faith this group that I've told you about that launch last year and is all about more interfaith dialogues and evangelicalism. It was involved in this.

It's just astounding to me and this man Al Mohler wants to be the next president of the Southern Baptist convention, so I guess it's becoming a thing.

Now if you are the president of the Southern Baptist convention.

You gotta be all in and hang out with Islamist and sharia supremacist and try to tell Christians how hateful and fearful they are and denigrate any sort of actually informed criticism of previous situations that have occurred in post 9/11 world here hateful, but I'm not hateful but I like truth and I don't like seeing evangelicals used is useful idiots to try to divide and conquer the church which is exactly what's going on and if you know anything about the purveyors of interfaith dialogue in the Muslim community. The best known ones that's exactly what they're trying to do and turn us against Israel.

This is shameful. Absolutely shameful and Mohler should be called on the carpet for it by Southern Baptists leave it there. Thanks for being with us here in Janet today.

God bless you see

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