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September 24, 2020 5:30 am

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September 24, 2020 5:30 am

A new Pentagon report on growing Chinese military power has some retired U.S. flag officers alarmed that America would lose a war with China. We'll get the details from John Rossomando, senior analyst for defense policy at the Center for Security Policy. Plus: The latest on that bombshell Senate report on Hunter Biden, and a surprising legal development concerning a Woke Southern Baptist church in Washington, D.C. Join us for Thursday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY.


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What about its growing military power and how that could affect the United States. While there is a recently released port at report out from the Pentagon showing that China is increasing its military might, with more aircraft carriers more nuclear warheads, more funding, putting the United States military dominance in jeopardy and raising the likelihood that we could lose a war with China and that is according to some retired flag officers who spoke about it with my next guest, John Russell mono. He is senior analyst for defense policy at the Center for security policy, former senior analyst for counterterrorism at the investigative Project on terrorism and he is out with an important piece about this report and what some of these retired military have to say about it, John. It's great to have you here. How are you doing I'm doing wrong things around me on Jared thank you John gives an overview of this China military power report to Congress because I found this probably more alarming than a lot of the other news coming out of China. Give us an overview if you would roll our daughters are gone. To give an annual report on Chinese military power all tuxedo findings that I thought alarming was the plan to double for Chinese nuclear warheads over the next dog jacket our Starr report from the try to use our's parties. Newspaper writers say they want to increase 20 thousand warheads episode China and driver thread Barbara forces and all. While there were just published a video online dollars showing where the bombers attacking US forces and blah so nobody knows that were being threatened. No Taiwan, the Chinese are increased or run Navy looking very casual conflict between United States and China would primarily either be cyber war space were naval when the Chinese Navy is so has now become the largest in the world. We just lost WI football Ryszard followed over the summer to a fire and the Chinese are currently building.amphibious warships that could help them to take Taiwan and were really not in much of the year shaved to counter that threat rights that's very disturbing. I mean is you're pointing out here you have zero aircraft carriers in China, just back in 1996.

I think it was. Now they're building 1/3, they've got to already and they've got this fleet of about 350 ships, which amounts to the largest in the world. This is not good news for us. I mean, because on our side. What are we doing what happened here. Well, we all had arrived so focused on counterinsurgency five in Afghanistan. In Iraq. Elsewhere in the Third World.

Meanwhile, China has been building up its military forces modernizing them all to the point that you were distracted and they've just been taking advantage of in the Chinese farm base in Djibouti in the Horn of Africa for could threaten our forces the Red Sea area they've been building close off the policy across sub-Saharan Africa to increase their raw footprint. There are the in the United States at the same time has louder military budget to no increase. What we've followed and drafted in things like this involved golf destroyer that we don't even have a shell that is, can fire the other systems. There were complete boondoggles so we don't have leadership depending on the week. That means down from you to do something for the next four years to get go.

Some farmhands in the Pentagon to get the thing together yet. Absolutely when you're looking at the overall picture of China, for example, the fact that they surpassed us with ground launch missiles in larger numbers with greater ranges than the United States. According to some reports. What is it that we need to shore up. I mean, I'm sure we have to shore up the military. Overall, but where is the greatest need to we need more ships. Do we need more military members.

Where is the greatest you know we need. We basically we need to wallow. I got this from all admirals and generals from both parties. Pretty much, so Mr. Tromp needs to clean house in the paragon and to put people in there who have vision for putting together a strategy and talk to County Rd., China. We need to put more emphasis onpastry trying so dog modernize your nuclear forces and also into counseling. China is abilities so to steal our technology through cyber warfare capabilities so that flight when I got what I glean from my conversations from you so flag officers well when you are talking to these retired officers. What did they say in terms of why we would lose any war with China, were there any particulars that they mention to you about his arm weakness is basically better in terms of terms of strategy and a lot of harder road. No weapons older on the Chinese are really focusing on modernization mean they don't have a lot of the overhead cost. The new we have.

It would all military and in many cases so they could be surpassing our capabilities within the next decade.

So we need more leadership you need help people who are have the job with a vision and a plan in mind rather than just sort of being building things in search of omission which would have been the problem at the Pentagon since the Bush administration right John with this retired military.

Is it their opinion.

I don't know. Across the border just individually that China is emerging as the greatest threat to the United States rather than later. They're all in two Democrats and two Republicans and a bully on proponent of the Democratic agree about anything these days is flag officers were bipartisan all if each shot is our top majors and they say that we need to completely rethink a lot of what we've been doing and I'll get something back 40 years, when Ronald Reagan became president of we just had the debacle at Desert one dive for your listeners with the failed rescue attempt of the hostages that forward our inabilities for limitations or capabilities when Reagan became president.

He put Caspar Weinberger in the defense partners Defense Secretary. He had a vision for feeding the Soviet they went and put together a plan and that he had John Lehman as Sec. the Navy get a plan for rustic ownership.

Maybe they brought back the battleships got bogged and bolstered our rock capabilities. We have people in there who think outside the box and not just follow orthodoxy.

Why do you think it is that they're not putting China is a front burner issue here at the Pentagon, aiming clearly nobody wants to be attacked by China.

Are they just out of it or they just disinterested because of their politics. What I mean how do we explain bureaucracy bureaucracy always started bureaucracy is like a weed like you are somebody able to going there. Just clean her house, find it funny how long the Democrats are attacking the president for Rotarian part of the administrative state. It needs to be cleaned out and put people lauded in charge who will love to keep the military contractors and so that we will begin with the end in mind acute on a very good working because her very generous matter with us from the center for security policy will be back talking about China and the United States stay with us for several years now Syrians have been pouring into the country of Lebanon to seek refuge amid terrorism, and civil war. Now, the crisis in Lebanon has escalated in the aftermath of cover 19 a crumbling economy and a devastating explosion in Beirut at the spiritual crisis in Lebanon is the most devastating crisis of all because many people there have still never heard anything about Jesus. That's why Hartford Lebanon is on the ground ministering to hurting refugee families in the South in the macabre Valley in Lebanon, providing emergency supplies, Christian education, Bible studies and worship gatherings for these refugee families and the impact is incredible. Shayna was one of those kids who had never heard about Jesus until God used hard for Lebanon to give her the good news of eternal life when she was given the assignment and hard for Lebanon's educational program to write about a defining moment in her life. Sheena chose to write this we were in Syria and we knew nothing about Christ the Lord. When we came to Lebanon, I joined Hartford Lebanon school. It is there where I got to know that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and that whosoever worships him will have eternal life.

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When I heard from both knees general her admirals saw both parties that China China is far graver of an enemy and our adversaries in the Soviet Union because the Soviet Union did not have an economy that was roughly equivalent to ours so we are facing being $24 trillion. Are you know and not in the car cost so far. Building these new systems and so forth. Keeps increasing increase increasing what the Chinese are able to build these things if they don't have to go through the our research and development. All you need to do is have good hackers going to steal or stop right there about a year ago, before John Bolton was dismissed as national security advisor. He protested that the Chinese and stolen the plans for the F 35. They put out a similar stealth fighter back if you look at her head on pretty but looks pretty similar to our F 35 so they're able to get this technology by stealing it from and build a cheaper cost and that's a huge problem. Plus they own a lot of our debts, that's another point to bring up in all of this that we have such business ties to China and political and also the crony capitalism. I believe there's a lot of dirty money ties between people in the capital, and in China right mean it's like you your twitter. You have a woman who's very close to the Chinese Communist Party is on Board of Directors smile so the Chinese Communist Party has a lot of influence in America and you know we need to make this engagement is a national security and defense issue in the Soviet Union would try to steal the still secret from us, but they are nowhere near as good as the Chinese are true, true.

Well, what about the PLA. This is something else that I was reading about the deputy assistant secretary of defense for China had talked about the People's liberation Army and and said that the Communist Party has spent the last several years completely tearing out and rewiring the PLA organizationally with this goal of transforming into a joint force that's more combat ready and innovative and global me now are talking about actual people and and they've got me know over a billion people obviously and you know just the size of their military is that in and in and of itself a big concern route trying to remarket regional power until recently blocked W.People's liberation Army, Navy, expanding our reach into the Indian Ocean and into the Pacific. In a way that it never have before me in China used to be called itself the middle kingdom well is becoming that once more because of the adult load initiative because of the go economic power.

So we need to look at how tired of playing the game of chess and go figure out our counter moves to head them off the pad at the path we have to concerned are you that China might actually try to initiate a war against us in the near future. I don't know why I don't think the near future. Now 10 to 15 years out who know because we look weak and they can't and they know that we can't do anything we can counter them when we get McCall in the Cold War Soviet Union was we put the emphasis on our nuclear deterrent because we knew that we could install flooring onslaught of tens of thousands of Russian-made banks coming true love before the past Germany so we put Arkansas nuclear deterrence we need to work on modernizing our nuclear weapons. Many that are like 4050 years old. In some cases we need to modernize our policy morning on nuclear deterrence are fixed or cruise missiles firebrand Marine bar launched ballistic missile capabilities are bomber bomber force and basically say to China that you know if you contact Taiwan. We will not hesitate to use nuclear weapons of the first response doctrine and in the Cold War Soviet Union. Yet peace through strength.

I liked that it would work again. Yeah it's important what what this idea of forming kind of a needlelike alliance there's been some discussion about this. Having this kind of alliance in the Pacific and getting some other countries together at what you make of that idea worth looking into. I think that we should work will find our line inflated with bar cart with Japan will work muffling diplomatic half would go to church today in the Philippine Chinese are the a lot of effort trying to court influence and patching all Florida law old issues with Vietnam to possibly gain the access to our Tamron naval base which show used by the US Vietnam War were the Soviets used it as a plate. Also, Indonesia and the nation installed, bordering the file China feet because right now the Chinese are pretty much on love by the first ring of islands, namely to Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, etc. in terms of their ability to project low for spot.

We have to be mindful of the South.

The South China Sea is the largest play place in fog, personal transit in the world $5 trillion worth of food by shipping through their Chinese and control that then you were really in gallbladder trouble me back in late 19th century, Adm. Alfred Thayer Mohammed said he who controls the fees trolls the global economy. When the British stock will be able to control the global economy. With the protection of the Royal Navy ceased to be a power price. If the Chinese Navy surpasses all drugs with power and ability your project in the United States Navy falls into further decline. That means so that we will have greater economic problems for the average American logging just look at what happened to Britain after World War II. Well, do you have any confidence that if Joe Biden were to win the election in November. The situation would improve as far as our military power and dominance continued dominance. I don't think the bargain with the Democrats and the centrist Republican Don over the past generation for eviscerated hollowed out our military and in turn denies faith into a vassal of the PRC that's well said I and that's what I really am concerned about because were in a time of great division at home and that's actually opening a door for our enemies abroad to be able to take advantage and that they know that's been on my mind for quite a while.

I know it's been on a lot of people's minds that we are increasingly vulnerable. It would seem to outside enemies being able to really take advantage of the vulnerabilities that we have as a nation. Right now, but this is John this is such an important story is such an important thing for people to get their heads around and I want to refer people once again to your piece over at the center for security policy on the about that website one more and you can read all about what these retired flag officers have communicated to John Ross Amando about the potential of America losing its military dominance to China very important story John so good to talk to you. Thank you very very much for being with us again, thank you. Take care and will be back in Chennai for today.

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This is really a big story, which is why you will see the mainstream media doing everything I possibly can to not talk about it. This is an interim report on this long investigation they been taking over the last several months and to Hunter Biden's role on the board of Paris small holdings that's that Ukrainian natural gas firm and this all came up during the time when Pres. Trump was going through the impeachment hearings and we were all scratching our heads and saying which party was it again that was involved in quid pro quo which party was it again that was involved in foreign governments and shady dealings.

I mean this might shady you Cheney this is Maia Fox. These are some of the things that this particular report unveils. This is just amazing to me. 87 pages long. It stated that the Obama administration officials knew that Hunter Biden's position on the board of Paris small was problematic and that it interfered in the efficient execution of policy with respect to Ukraine. This is a huge story and you can believe in. You can take it to the bank that if we were talking about Donald Trump Junior being the person involved in all of the things now that this report reveals Hunter Biden was involved in that we'd never hear the end but they probably reopen some kind of impeachment trial against the president over it. I'm sure they would then impeach him for whatever they can come up with their can impeach him again if he fills the Supreme Court seat even though it's completely constitutional. The reports executive summary stated.

This investigation has illustrated the extent to which officials within the Obama administration ignored the glaring warning signs when the vice president son joined the board of a company owned by a corrupt Ukrainian oligarch Biden. If you recall join Marie's mind in 2014 and at the time, reportedly connected the firm with consulting form blue Star strategies to help the natural gas company fight corruption charges in the Ukraine and during the time that he was on the board there then VP Joe Biden now running for president was running US Ukraine relations and policy for the Obama administration and nothing to see here is that the Biden campaign is now saying this is just baseless conspiracy theories. That's what they always say when there is just a smoking gun. That's smoking away even though Hunter Biden's position on breeze Ms. board cast a shadow over the work of those advancing anticorruption reforms in Ukraine. The committees are only aware of two individuals who raise concerns to their superiors. The Senate report stated. Despite the efforts of these individuals. Their concerns appear to have fallen on deaf ears. The report stated that State Department official George Cantu testified during Trump's impeachment hearings last year and Amos Hoke stain the former US special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs raise concerns to the former vice president's office.

The report now this is where it really gets weird report stated that Hunter Biden form significant and consistent financial relationships with the founder of Paris's map and that he and his business partner, divine archers firms made millions of dollars from that association while his father was vice president.

The committees also say they obtained records from the US Treasury Department, showing potential criminal activity relating to transactions among and between Hunter Biden.

His family and his associates with Ukrainian, Russian, Cossack and Chinese nationals, and nothing's nothing to see here why would we talk about this, they receive records that Hunter Biden sent thousands of dollars to individuals who have either been involved in transactions consistent with possible human trafficking, and association with the adult entertainment industry or potential association with prostitution and some of the recipients are Ukrainian or Russian citizens.

The records note it is a documented fact that Hunter Biden has sent funds to nonresident alien women in the US who are citizens of Russia and Ukraine and have consequently subsequently wired funds they receive from Hunter Biden to individuals located in Russia and Ukraine and the records note that some of these transactions are linked to what appears to be an Eastern European prostitution, human trafficking ring.

Meanwhile, the report states that Senate investigators found millions of dollars in questionable financial transactions between Hunter Biden and his associates and foreign individuals including the wife of the former mayor of Moscow as well as individuals with ties to the Chinese Communist Party.

I mean it just goes on and on and on. Nothing to see here here's something else that's interesting about all this via the Federalist new documents that are contained in the same Senate report show that former Secretary of State John Kerry lied to reporters when asked whether he was aware of Hunter Biden surveying in a lucrative board position for this Ukrainian energy company. He said in December of last year during the impeachment process against Donald Trump. I had no knowledge about any of that.

And I know clue really according to congressional investigators carries Chief of Staff David Wade briefed Carrie on press inquiry specifically related to Hunter Biden's arrangement of recently joining the board of Paris. Small records show Biden raked in upwards of 50 grand a month from serving on that board despite no prior experience in the industry. Another analysis shows that Hunter was being compensated much more handsomely than board members on the leadership of larger corporations in the same field. All you think it might've had anything to do with the fact that his dad was the vice president's oh Tennessee here absolutely nothing to see here as Sen. Tom cotton was on Fox weighing in on this particular situation not extensively about the 87 pages because it's a long report to have to go through but he did have this to say cut five Joe Biden for 47 years has been appeasing Sean about the only job he graded as China was a job for his son. We all know about Hunter Biden's job with shady Ukrainian oligarch from the Democrats partisan impeachment earlier this year and emails would been released under the freedom of information act already showed that many officials in the government to include to the top where it ranks of John Kerry State Department were also aware of these troubling patterns and they were themselves troubled by.

So I think Sen. Johnson's report showed important light on these very troubling facts. Well, you might say to yourself, why does it matter so much. There are many reasons why it matters. Obviously because the father was vice president and knew what was going on in the sec. state lied about it.

The point is the Obama administration knew all about what was going on and covered it up. That's the upshot of the report and this is a man who wants to be put back into the White House as if we didn't already have a million reasons for saying this is not the guy. Perhaps this might be some more evidence to way when you are considering what you're going to do in the voting booth in November. Now on the upside concerning the federal government.

I'm to bring you some good news because I don't want to end on a very sad note here about all the corruption in government.

We get a lot of that every single day. Pres. Trump is doubling down. By the way, on his fight against critical race theory, and I couldn't be more total hip help this this is incredible. He had gone after these federal agencies. Just recently he called it in a tweet banning efforts to indoctrinate government employees with divisive and harmful sex and race-based ideologies. Now he's issued an executive order to combat quote offensive and anti-American race and sex stereotyping and scapegoating just two weeks speak basically about two weeks after he directed the federal agencies to knock off the critical race theory cultlike activity because that's what they're doing. Christopher Rufo, who's been reporting on this for a while had been asked me a week we play that clip not too long ago talking about what's been going on inside of these federal agencies and some some of the references to what's been going on have been likened to workplace harassment mean how would you like to go into your company and be forced to sit there and listen to if you're a white person some kind of a lecture on how your white supremacist, and how you of white privilege and you can't say anything because you will lose your job and you don't want to make your boss mad and Pres. Trump is intervening and I'm really really glad to see this. Not only that, but you might've heard that he has now put together this announcement about the 1776 commission on patriotic education which is another effort to try to not only knock out the anti-American ideology that spreading like kudzu is we say toxic kudzu across the federal government but also to try to shore up patriotism in our educational system and were long overdue on that this is all a good development and to me it just speaks so well of Pres. Trump loving this country and loving what is being done in the name of the United States just to stick with the values and the ideals that we've always loved as Americans because America cannot continue if we don't do that for you to take a break will be right back. What's it like when a pregnant mom sees her baby for the first time down this little incredible abate wasn't really in the plan for this young after seeing a halo on her baby on ultrasound at a pre-born center. She was still leaning towards abortion skills. I just felt God's arms around me and tell me that it was okay and is the largest provider of free ultrasounds in the country. Ultrasounds save lives which you join with pre-born in helping moms to choose life to donate, just call 855402, baby. That's 855-402-2229. All gifts are tax-deductible.

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This is very strange from the Washington Post, a large prominent evangelical Capitol Hill church late Tuesday filed a legal challenge to the district alleging the city government is violating the First Amendment by facilitating and tolerating massive antiracism protests, but for bidding worship services indoor or outdoor of more than 100 because of COBIT.

19 now only if I were to read a lead like that and it involved a church challenging tyrannical covered 19 regulations I would do a standing ovation and possibly a backflip, and I still might except for the fact that this is a lawsuit that is filed by Capitol Hill Baptist Church so little bit of a hypocrisy problem is this just a little beds.

They call this the first legal challenge by a religious organization to the capital's coronavirus restrictions. There are a couple of others in Virginia and in Maryland. This suit was filed in US District Court asking for the right to meet out doors and it notes that the Mayor Muriel Bowser appeared at a huge antiracism rally in June that the city police have been assigned to such events and that her office is not enforced its own band on outdoor gatherings of more than 50 people. Okay, here's why I'm having a little bit of a problem with this Mark Taber is the pastor of Capitol Hill Baptist Church. He also is the cofounder of a group called nine marks nine marks has a podcast and Mark Taber had a little chat back in July with Jonathan Lehman, who also works at nine marks and might I just note that Jonathan Lehman was among several prominent evangelical leaders who were out they are marching in the earlier summer antiracism, black lives matter gatherings.

I think it was called faith that works DC he was out there marching he was out there marching at the time he works with Mark Taber at nine marks and they did this podcast together back in July, so I pulled out some of these previous clips that I erred on the show. If you haven't heard the mom to replay a couple of the because I think this is just weird. All of a sudden all of a sudden they want to get back to church but they don't want to get back in the church. They want to meet outdoors.

Okay they said the church takes no issue with defendant's decision to permit the gatherings.

The black lives matter stuff which are themselves protected by the First Amendment and the church supports this exercise of First Amendment rights. The church does however take exception to defendant's decision to favor certain expressive gatherings over others why they worry about it now because they certainly weren't that worried about it earlier in the summer when they were getting criticized for going on these black lives matter marches so many of them and being all woke like Mark Taber is there all woke and that was fine, and yet they did this podcast in July where they were critical of Grace Community Church John MacArthur's church on California putting out a statement saying why it's biblical to stand against the government.

At this point because it's clear that the restrictions are on the evening and there's hypocrisy there on the part of the government and were to open our doors were to have church anyway, Mark Taber and Jonathan Lehman were critical of that, because they said you might be implying that those of us who don't do the same thing are disobeying God.

So let's listen to a little bit of this from late July. Does Mark Taber think government has the right to curtail worship.

This is what he said back then cut one from a governance perspective, I would say yes, and I would say we would be like this. If this is not a permanent request is a temporary request is not a request and just a Christian church is not a Jewish synagogues and not of Muslim most mosques and not secular concerts or not. It is not aimed only at us as opposed to other like gatherings of people and if the purpose is for the public health, our own health elsewhere neighbors. I think those are all things that we serve is pastors Capitol Hill have taken into account when we tried to think. Should we abide with these requests because we understood that the animals with a desire to fulfill the public trust what they're doing and what we would affirm them doing what they're doing trying to fill the public's trust for public safety and we would certainly encourage compliance with that request, but we certainly would agree with the elders statement from Grace Community Church that the state doesn't have the authority to instruct us that we cannot meet, as were quite willing to go to jail in order to faithfully fulfill what the Lord has commanded us to do as many Christians are showing around the world and replaces today and have shown in the past using of enslaved Christians here in America you think of Baptist ministers in Virginia who were thrown in jail. So there were the other. There's lots of ways in which as Christians we know that we shall not, and we should continue to show that we are why why have they changed it up now all of a sudden they're concerned that these black lives matter protests were allowed and that there is some disparity in the way that the mayor of DC is treating them versus treating black lives matter you do that months ago you participated in them. Jonathan Lehman, what's the problem here is it about money, so I have no idea that's what some people cynically think is it because you need people back in church because you want them there not even arguing by the way, to get back in church there asking for the right to meet outside. So it's important for biblically ordered church to be able to meet together. Yes, you can meet outside. They're not even fighting for the right to be back in their building will why wouldn't you fight for that. Why would you fight to be outside it. Very weird. I this is very mottled then Lehman discusses the issue of jurisdiction. This is cut to what was on the one hand there is something called severe sovereignty, where the state is one jurisdiction.

The church is another, but also as a those jurisdictions overlap right and so far you have people who are both citizens and church members know the state has one claim your citizens to churches and other church members and we we see that we see the overlap and fire codes were were accustomed to in some regard the state making restrictions on our meeting spaces, building codes, fire codes, zoning regulations, and we don't perceive that as an encroachment upon a queasy elastic ecclesiastical order, freedom or freedom. We understand that what they're doing their job and they go too far.

Again, that was a silly argument. I said so at the time, and I maintain it's a silly argument. Estate enforcing building codes is not the same as the state saying you can't have church because there is some virus that is killing fewer than 1% of the people who contract it sent the same thing and it is an emergency order that's been going on for six months and oh by the way, if you're a leftist, you can go out and do whatever you want in the streets because that's racial justice, but you Christians have to stay close to me, why is it taking you six months to notice that sweet we've been saying this for months. A lot of Christians have been saying this for months. Then of course they compared the church closures to what happened during World War II.

This is cut three so use the example yesterday with me Mark about churches along the coastal lines during World War II. Explain not only were blackouts because of concerns of German showing from the submarines or battleships are actually in the East Coast of Japanese in the West Coast and so there would be various times when places certainly Manhattan or Los Angeles or San Diego would go some Cisco would be put on blackout were for the sake of public safety. Do not let any light show that could make it easier to target us know if the church complies with out them. There were there were to have meetings that evening and maybe even outward outreach revival meetings we use is the state coercing them well no I mean the state is not to do this forever. The state is not just a means churches stated doing this for the public health for the public good and for the good of your neighbor for the church will then why file a lawsuit now if it's for the good of the church and by the way the blackouts during World War II would not affect its Sunday morning worship because the sun is shining, so it's not analogous, then this was interesting discussing a Capitol Hill Baptist Church member who complained the church should open back up this cut for this testing of what two months. We did not gather sorry for the middle of March through the remainder of March. All of April. All of Monday for Sunday June in that window number says to you, very much like this, a statement that he just really reached.I feel I need to other filaments in how to pester the person will because he said is what he was in some iPhone user is a good friend of the church registrable brother you should thank you for informing us. You should resign your membership immediately and find a group of Christians that are obedient to Scripture, so why didn't I mean to say that understand, you can disagree on the side you you believe we should meet to normal. You were an exceptional thought is it will.

That's we didn't leave your language, so you've got to somehow leave room in your language for people to disagree with you so you are saying you're saying to him for the one who says it is unclean.

It is unclean.

Oh yeah, if you're convinced that you are in soon complying with what the government*your pastor something or not.

Gathering your saying that's on claim you're saying you have to then go to another church will usually consisted in certain other factors in your life.

So yes, just in isolation from frustration sake justice that could be just weird just weird. So this guy was supposed to resign back then because he wanted to meet but now they're suing in order to meet waiting to tell that member now Park Taber is just weird.

I think he should be allowed to open up that you should been on board months ago and you should be arguing to open your church doors.

If you go to Walmart you can open your church that I guess better late than never. Not very consistent. Thank you for joining us and Janet effort today would have to leave it there but we will see you next time. Lord willing. So much for being with us

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