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December 31, 2021 4:30 am

In our post-Christian society, it's more vital than ever that God's people proclaim the name of Jesus Christ. But how do we stand against all the hostility? I'll talk about it with Dr. Erwin Lutzer, pastor emeritus of The Moody Church and author of, "We Will Not Be Silenced." Plus: How can you be sure you're really a Christian? Mike Gendron from Proclaiming the Gospel joins me to talk about how to be saved. That's next time on Friday’s JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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Again, if you want to know what biblical courage looks like.

Go back and read acts chapter 4 this is the passage recounting how the apostles Peter and John ran afoul of the chief priests and Sadducees because they were proclaiming Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. They were taken into custody. They were told to speak no further.

In Jesus name. And what'd they do, they said we cannot stop speaking about what we have seen and heard. Not only that, but when they return to the assembly of believers. They pray the Lord would enable them to speak his word with complete boldness and the Lord answered that prayer, but what about us. We are in a nation. Now that is rapidly deteriorating into a post-Christian culture and exhibiting increasing hostility to Christians. A lot of us are asking this question what do we do now Lord were to talk about it today with Dr. Irwin lutes or Pastor emeritus of the Moody church's latest book is called, we will not be silenced responding courageously to our culture's assault on Christianity and Dr. Lewis are so great to have you with us.

How are you great to be with you again. I'm doing fine now. Glad to hear that this is a very important book. I think a very important subject. I'm curious to ask you just kinda starting out here. You have been in ministry for a long time.

When it comes to our culture's views on Christianity. How would you compare the America in which you began your ministry to the M America were living in now question because I began my ministry many years ago, but in those days, even though there were different disagreements. They were generally resolved by discussion may be argument, and so forth. But thanks to social media thanks to Marxism also, thanks to the present culture. What we are finding today is that arguments are not being resolved about wayfarer being resolved by shaming by blaming the radical left says I disagree with you.

You disagree with me and we just don't have a disagreement, but you are evil. That's why one of the chapters are in my book is entitled Villa five Villa five vilified that's the way you sold the arguments today right you just trample your enemy and then refused to associate with your enemy. If he happens to survive the trampling screen that's that's where we are and there a lot of reasons.

Obviously, why we are where we are where where we are right now cultural Marxism obviously being one of them, but also you touched on something right there, which I really want to get your take on and that is the power of propaganda you wrote about Hitler's cross you know very well about Nazi Germany and the effect of propaganda on the nation of Germany turning against the Jews.

How do you see that era comparing to where we are right now. Will Janet again, thank you so much for your question. As you may know, one of the chapters in my book is devoted to propaganda yes. The purpose of propaganda is to so change people's perception of reality that despite huge concrete evidence. They will not change their minds. In other words, what you want to do is to put them into this alternate reality where they are in a groove and therefore facts do not matter and we can give many examples of that happening today. One of the ways in which Hitler since you referred to him. He was propaganda by the way, sometimes it is promoted through slogans. For example, when Hitler starved children. He called it putting them on a low-calorie diet today.

Of course, when we talk about the killing of pre-born infants. It is a health decision or the termination of a pregnancy so language is used to convey a certain idea, and it does this in a way that oftentimes is very very deceptive.

So here's what you do. I discuss what I call cultural streams. There are several cultural streams in a culture that we've certainly seen that this past year, you know, if you didn't bow to the mob. I mean I met. I'm thinking for example of group breeze who said that he stands for the flag because of its history and his own family's involvement. Well, the fuse was lit. He had to apologize. Not once but twice because the mob rule. There was a cultural scream that says if you do not bow if you don't kneel at the flag, so to speak in opposition to it. If you do not join black lives matter.

You are racist you are homophobic you are, whatever, intolerant, and so cultural streams can come from two sources. One is the culture itself and the other is through laws which restrict our freedoms and so propaganda propaganda actually can destabilize us. For example, I talk about the ACO you saying that I'm doing this from memory but basically what they say is men can have children.

Men can mend straits.

Men can do this.

The other thing I mean, are we supposed to believe this stupidity, but the idea of propaganda is to speak with such authority that even when you're talking nonsense you make people feel as if they were foolish to argue against it. You're so right about that.

What about pronouns. This is another area of propaganda, you must refer to Bruce Jenner as she I will refer to Bruce Tanner as she Bruce Jenner has some issues that need to be resolved, but it doesn't make Bruce Jenner a woman simply because he gets surgery or Rose's hair out and yet they weapon eyes. This kind of behavior you must comply. And that's that's what I really am interested in. As far as the demand for submission what what part does that play in all of this huge you know I say in my book that we are so critical of the church in Germany.

As you know, I've written a book about Nazi Germany.

So I've studied propaganda and so forth. But were so critical of the church. Where's the church people say where was the church. It wasn't standing against Hitler, Janet, I'm not sure that we would do much better than they actually have because when I began to see how people were going along with the with mob rule at how people were conforming to the expected cultural stream.

I think that the church today would find it very difficult to stand against that kind of pressure yes because when your life is on the line and when you are being vilified and shamed by the position that you take this very difficult and especially if you feel as if you're standing alone, and yet that's where we are in our culture and the purpose that I wrote this book. By the way, every chapter has a section entitled the response of the church because at the end of the day. I think that the church has the best means of ultimately transformation. Although I didn't write this book to to you know reclaim the culture as much as to reclaim the church hope we get into the whole racial issue yes because it's very controversial but I also want people to understand what the church believes over against what is being taught in our universities today that is intended to divide the races. That's the whole point that many people don't understand absolutely and something that I want to pick up Donald in a little bit more detail when we come back from the next break is this issue that you raise the silent church would our churches today do much better.

Does the pandemic give you any sort of indication when you see so few churches really fighting back against some of these unconstitutional orders from governors like Gavin Newsom in California who allows the abortion clinics to be open and the liquor stores to be open, but the churches have to be shut down. Apparently forever. I know that I like to get some freedom of conscience here because there are some churches that have opened and have discovered that it spread covert so at this point we can still be more tolerant, but if this continues, and if government overreach becomes the order of the day, which it certainly can be. Then of course were going to have to push back and were going to have to take the position of the early apostles.

Here we stand. I mean, I'm quoting Luther know. Of course, here we stand, we cannot do otherwise. So help us God and we have to be willing to take the consequences of our decision. That is such an important point because for a quick drink with us. We will not be silenced as his book and will be right.

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You have those people of color and they are all pressed, even though many of them are very wealthy, and have done very well but still they are not people of privilege so totally contrary to the way Martin Luther King sought when he said that you know we should judge one another, not by the color of our skin, but the content of our character. So what you have is critical race theory putting people in these boxes deliberately seeking no possible solution, except that the press should overcome their old pressers and have cultural dominance. That's the whole purpose I quote Saul Wolinsky who the community organizer here in Chicago who said very clearly do not solve problems, use problems, create problem, so this is deliberately created so that there can be no possible reconciliation.

Unless of course you have the revolution that they are seeking spell just for a moment looking out contrast. Let's contrast this with Christianity.

Christianity comes along and says you know the differences between us aren't really that great because we all stand as sinners at the foot of the cross. We are all guilty before God. We receive God's forgiveness and now we work together to better our communities and so forth. So we don't have to shout at one another across all these racial fences that have been set up for us and them.

This is why you know students go to university.

They come back they hate America.

They believe that all of us are racists and no room at all for individuality. Individualities actually attack no room really for reconciliation or forgiveness. There's only room for a revolution. I have someone at Moody church. He was born in Ghana lived in Chicago, brought up there is a true African-American as he puts it's what you think of our university studies. He said we are growing farther and farther apart every day. We are told that there cannot be reconciliation until whites meet certain demands and because those demands are impossible. The impasse continues. I can't think of anyone who said it better than he did. That's really that's the other thing is for to be stare here is this whites are in a no-win situation because their structural racism were all guilty because of our ancestors.

Even though we were alive at the time of slavery and there's no forgiveness and there's no recognition that we fought a civil war to end slavery and that we had the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that is not being so racist toward the white population and there seems to be no means of escape which makes you wonder whether or not the race war is just not on its way toward actually harming whites. Nobody wants to go in that direction.

But what other conclusion can we come to if we say if we can't get out of it in your furious we don't meet the demands adequately. What happens does it turn into a physical fight. Well, it made the point you raise an excellent point. Great emphasis today is that America is to be hated one of the reasons I wrote this book so that parents who send their kids off to college and they can't understand why do they hate America. When they come back so the idea is were going to attack her history were going to say that the Judeo-Christian foundation of our country was thoroughly capitalistic and racist and evil. It must be vilified so that America can be built upon a new foundation, namely the humanistic Marxist foundation so that's the thing, 16, 19, was America begun at that time when slaves came to Jamestown and when capitalism began. That's the project you know that the New York times said yes well are they going to write the history. Rewrite the history of other countries based on when they have slaves. Of course not. This is what targeted project to make America look evil and one thing you will never find Janet is that these people will compare America with another country. I mean Saul Wolinsky even made it clear that if you do that it's hard it's hard to get people to hate America. So what you do is you criticize it in relationship to its highest ideals and since America isn't perfect and we all admit it certainly isn't what you do is you blame, blame, blame, with the hope that people will understand that only Marxism can be the solution that's right well going back to the weakness of the church that you have people within evangelical leadership who are embracing critical race theory you have seminaries and Christian colleges that are embracing critical theory and critical race theory and are turning to the parishioners insane you guys are race as you guys are guilty. I mean, the church should be a place where we do emphasize the forgiveness of God through Jesus Christ for whatever sin we actually did commit.

How much does this weaken the church when we have people on board with this cultural Marxism who are trying to be the representatives of Christianity to people like us. I tell in my book about a man who's involved in an organization that all your listeners would know about known for evangelism.

He said he went to the last annual meeting and he thought that he had been in a social justice conference. Now there's a right way to define social justice. But there's also a wrong way, but to your point, what is happening today is that social justice is really replacing the gospel. In fact, you even hear evangelicals talking about the gospel of social justice and I point out that social justice at its best is not the gospel. The gospel is not what we can do for Jesus. The gospel is what Jesus has done for us so we need to understand this.

I even referred to the southern Baptist because as you know that their last convention. They had what was that proposition nine, which was intentionally written to be critical and condemn contemporary race theory was revised by progressives, so that it says even though it isn't a worldview is helpful in interpreting things, etc. so yeah that's too bad, but churches often times have left behind the gospel under so much else that could be said about that the implications for evangelism which are being washed away in this great cultural stream of social justice and what we must recognize is this that we are being more impacted by the culture then we are impacting the culture. Very true. What we do about it because we are quickly moving into times. It seems more and more where it is going to cost us something to be Christians, we don't want to be like those church members in Nazi Germany who didn't do the right thing.

We want to be able to do the right thing, but part of that involves thinking ahead insane. What is my plan of action. Hear what you think. Christians ought to be thinking about praying about and doing at a time like this. First of all we have to be equipping the church for the culture that is around us and to help them to discern.

You know what is biblical and what isn't.

Another thing that we have to fight against Janet, I point out that the cell phone in your teenagers hand does more to inform his or her worldview than going to church for an hour a week or attending a Sunday school class so it has to begin with individuals it has to begin with the families, churches need to strengthen their instruction and then, yes, what we need to do is to teach the church throughout 2000 years of church history for most of those times, it was costly to follow Christ and you did lose your job and you were marginalized and you were vilified so that's the era in which we are entering for some people we've already entered it, but we need to take that Jesus said blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake great is your reward we have to go back to early Christianity's will we do and going back to that passage that I had cited at the beginning of our interview, ask for. I love that passage because here were these apostles. They just didn't fear anything but God, I mean that's what it really comes down to, doesn't it.

Don't fear man. Fear God easier said than done sometimes but perhaps that's why we need to go back and pray as they did. Lord, you know, grant us a complete boldness to preach your word at this time and I give examples of martyrs who are willing to give their lives.

And you know Shedrick Misha going to bend ago they feared God more than they did. The flames yes and so they were willing to be thrown into the fire and God is going to have to birth in us that kind of thing. Now I and the book with the chapter strengthen what remains the words of Jesus to Sardis and one of the things that I point out is that even though this church no longer saw the world as its enemy and had submitted to the culture. Jesus does say but there is still some of you who have not soiled their garments and they shall walk with me in white, for they are worthy. So what we need to do is to appeal to those who are still standing strong.

Encourage them to stand stronger and encourage others to join them. That is wonderful Dr. Sir, we will not be silenced is his great book and actually it's always a pleasure to have you here. Thank you so much thank you you are very welcome. Thanks for being with us will be back on Janet Mefford today. This archived broadcast of Janet Mefford today is brought to you in part by American underdog from Lions gate and the team that brought you.

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Rated PG parental guidance suggested. Now playing Janet Mefford today and here's your host Joe back on Janet Mefford today word of God tells us in second Corinthians 13 five damning yourself whether you are in the fates test yourselves or do you not realize this about yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you, unless indeed failed to meet the test. Now that is a very sobering passage to consider even if you've known the Lord for years and yet we must confront the reality that there are people who consider themselves to be Christians but are still dead and their sins and transgressions embracing the faith outwardly, perhaps, but inwardly are still unconverted. These are the ones who are in danger of hearing from the Lord to part for me.

I never knew you. How can you know for sure that you are a Christian, that's what we are to be talking about today with my Chandra and founder of the ministry proclaiming the gospel and author of an excellent tract on the subject called true faith or false hope. How can I be sure and Mike. It's wonderful to welcome me back.

How are you good to be back with you.

Thanks so much for having him having me on your show.

It is always an honor to have you here Mike emailing any discussion of salvation we have to start with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Because we can't assume that people even know what it is. Otherwise we wouldn't have a lot of people who are falsely converted. But if you would.

How do you lay out what it means to be safe to go from sin and death to eternal life gospel is really simple but true coming out of the wisdom of God. We know it's forever settled in heaven. If the great divide that separates the human rights into two groups for all eternity.

How divisive it is. We know that the gospel is the salvation of for all who believe it went through the power of God is inherent about salvation and the gospel message from Romans 116 but we know that the Lord accomplished a lot in order to cite centers completely and forever. We know the righteousness have to be perfected because no one can gain heaven apart from the righteousness of Christ and that's given as a gift to those who will trust in him. A lot of people don't realize the reason Jesus had the guy that was to satisfy divine justice because God cannot overlook them also must be punished.

So when Christ went to the cross we want to bear the sins of his people, so that those who repent and believe in him could be completely forgiven. We know the blood had to be shut because without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness from Christ about for us. We also know that reconciliation had to be achieved because sin separated us from God and one of the great miracles that took place on Calvary's cross. When Christ gave up his spirit was the veil the 600 veil separating sinful man from the holy of holies was torn open from top to bottom showing that now through faith in the shed blood of Jesus we have access to God in Christ has been the mediator of that reconciliation. We also know that the had to be conquered and salvation had to be secured so this glorious gospel of grace goes with clear assurance letter for trust in Christ alone in his assurance of eternal life. The complete forgiveness of sounds perfect right standing before him forever. And that's the glorious gospel that were all called to proclaim its wonderful snow there will be people, those who will say I believe all that I believe Jesus died on the cross for me. I believe he rose from the dead. I believe that all my life. How can you possibly make me wonder whether or not I'm a Christian.

What would you say about these two different kinds of face you requested because the Bible does speak of two different kinds of faith there is a site that originate from man to give mental assent to certain truths about Christ and what you have just explained their Janet is the history, the historical account of Christ that he was a man that died on the cross and was raised three days later but that's that's historical faith. When you recognize the Christ died as a substitute for you that he took upon your sounds and he gave you his righteousness by repenting of any false way and trust in Christ is the only way that is a God-given faith and at the very moment that you have been given God-given faith God is also granted your repentance so you become a new creature in Christ and the real. I think evidence of this is a changed life. When you have the spirit of God indwelling you your new heart will produce good work shows evidence and that's not to say that we are saved by good works to. I think the apostle Paul made it very clear that were saved by grace through faith, not of yourselves, it is the gift of God not of works of that no man can boast.

But then the very next verse in Ephesians 210.

He says that now you have been saved, you are created in Christ Jesus for good works, so just as I tree the purpose of the trail to produce fruit.

The purpose of a born-again Christian interpreters for the glory of God the evidence that we really have true saving faith.

Now, you mentioned a very key word there which is repentance and many people have different ideas on what repentance Anna look like in the Christian life, and some will say well I'm sorry for my sins and I confess my sins to Christ and asked him to come into my life, but I don't feel like I'm weepy or a no. I'm not really morning.

I don't remember going through any kind of intense experience, like some other people I've heard about what you say about repentance and emotion and how all those things should manifest themselves. When you really are saved or coming to Christ for the first time will repentance the Greek word repent from Noida simply means a change of mind and whatever you change your mind or produces a change in direction. The Bible speaks of two different paths to return it to their the narrow way that leads to life in a Broadway that leads to the instruction and when you recognize that you're on the Broadway because you've been abiding in God's word and you now know the truth and you have to change your mind from the false way that you were traveling and get on the narrow way which leads to life, and so repentance is a change of mind is produced by godly sorrow for your sounds and God is the one the grants repentance, just as it gives the gift of faith. So a true born-again Christian will experience both godly sorrow and repentance along with faith in Jesus Christ. That's right well and you mentioned something very important which is that this is a God giving saints. It isn't as if you can go to Christ and leverage faith out of him and make yourself a Christian.

We hear a lot today about you need to make the choice you need to make the decision and of course you do need to come to Christ. But what is the differentiation that you would emphasize when it comes to our part in our salvation versus God's part where we know from the Scriptures, God's holy word salvation is all of God from beginning to end. The one that began.

Good work about that. It carries it through to completion.

The only thing that we contribute to our salvation is verse seven.

The only way we can come to the cross of Christ is with empty hands of fright recognizing that God is the author of salvation is the author and perfecter of our faith, and so were weighted down by our sounds like the publican was Luke's gospel convicted of them by the Holy Spirit, it will cry out to God for mercy and it's really interesting because when you look at conviction and conversion until the center is convicted of family can never be converted from and until the center confesses seven repentance Christ cannot be rightly claimed as Savior. And so we say that the center and those of you that assent is condemned in the hell Christ will be of value to them at that point but so often today. I think many professing Christians just believe that historical fact that Jesus died for the sins of the world. It was raised three days later and I feel like as long as I know, that are part of God's plan of salvation, but the point is to be conviction conversion that comes with repentance and faith insert us. So when you're looking at second Corinthians 13 that the passage verse five that I mentioned before about examining yourself to see whether you are in the face. What should that examination entail people to first John, I often share with that is a picture of God's family as you read the Scriptures in first John, you will say what a Christian looks like and so you can read the apostle and you can see that these are the characteristics of what a born-again Christian. Looks like in first John 513 Johnson as I write these things to you who believe in the name of the son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. And so what things of John, written while the first four chapters and so you go back to my essays Scriptures like yeah absolutely Mike there's more to talk about will go to a break and come back with my judgment. Talking about true faith or false hope. How can I be sure hi everyone this is Janet hoping you had a wonderful Christmas celebrating the birth of our great Savior Jesus. Ecclesiastes chapter 3 says that there is an appointed time for everything, and there is a time for every matter under heaven.

A time to be silent and a time to speak and so as we come to the end of 20, 21, I just wanted to let you know that my time to speak on Janet Mefford today is ending as well. I've been a nationally syndicated Christian radio host for the past 12 years including more than six great years hosting this show.

Now, I believe the time is right for me to move on to the next thing the Lord has for me to deal the greatest blessing I've ever received in my life is my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And I've been really privileged to help keep you informed on the news and issues of the day and to try to offer you biblical encouragement from a Christ centered perspective.

I want to think the owners and managers of all the wonderful Christian radio stations who have aired us all these years.

I want to thank all our great sponsors as well in the ministries who have made this program possible. And most of all I want to thank you you tuned into this show you financially supported the ministries you've heard about here and I know you've prayed for me and sent us so many encouraging emails.

Thank you.

We truly are a family and I will really miss all of you, but you can still find me@janetmefford.com so I just want to encourage you from second Timothy for no matter what the future holds.

I would implore you to keep fighting the good fight.

Finish the course.

Keep the faith. Thank you again for listening to Janet Mefford today and God bless. From what I write you I can only imagine comes American underdog, found himself stalking grocery shelves while trying to hold onto his dreams of playing the working for this my entire life story you're listening to Janet Mefford today and now here's Janet you know you're a Christian, this may not be a question that is posting very often, especially if you are Christian, but some of us aren't so sure.

Maybe some of you who are listening have been in church for many years, if not your whole life and you believe that Jesus died on the cross for you and you accept that he died for your sins and rose from the dad, and you're all on board of the apostle screen all the rest, but you're really not sure deep down when you put your head on your pillow at night you not really sure that if you died tonight you would go to heaven and that's what were discussing with Mike Chandran, who had set proclaiming the gospel wonderful ministry and it's been a great track on it.

True faith or false hope. How can I be sure.

So for that person who's listening Mike who says I want to examine myself to see whether I'm in the faith. I want to know what a Christian really looks like.

And we do have verses in the Bible that say as you mentioned from first John, you may know that you have eternal life, where, how do you get from one to the other to know that you do have eternal life world biblical insurance should not be based on a path from one of my should be based on a present reality. In other words, since my conversion have eyes saying and crazed pattern of obedience in my life, and a decreased pattern of my life been progressive sanctification have has my heart, give them a new desire is to love Christ above all things, as they become the treasurer of my life. One of the tests we say first John chapter 2 verse 15.

We love God more than we love the world and so if a person claims to be a Christian. I'm so attached to the world that is no time for God. That would be a red flag. So there's also some diagnostic questions that we can ask especially people from the Orthodox faith you trust Christ and his word above religious tradition you submit to the supreme authority of Christ over any other authority you trust in his finished work of redemption is perfect righteousness for you, trusting your own filthy rights of righteousness. To qualify you for heaven.

So these are some good questions that we come past professing Christians show no sign of being born again rights so it is more than just whether or not you have the right doctrine and ascent to the right doctor, but there also has to be that trust and really coming to Christ and knowing you're on the narrow right now when you talk about the narrow way that leads to life in the broad way that leads to destruction. This is always been for me at least one of the most scary portions of Scripture because when you see that most people will be on that broad road that is terrifying night because for many Christians it can send them into a spiral of freak out if you want to say it that way. How do I know how narrow the way he is and what if I'm really not on the narrow road and I'm on the broad road and I just don't know it, you can get into this glut of worrying about it to the point where you can't see straight anymore. You counsel somebody like that who is just you don't really follow the tender conscience and says I just don't know if I'm on that narrow way I want to be, but I'm not sure that I am a great way for the context of the Lord to return it to the concert will be false teachers standing in front of the narrow way saying it's not here. The Broadway so both ways are Mark heaven in order to find out what the true worry is you have to diligently search the Scriptures in the loop looks gospel Jesus said you must strive to enter the narrow gate mess because you got false teachers trying to mislead you and deceive you, and I like the picture. The narrow gate is being so narrow that the only thing you can bring through the narrow gate is reset. In other words, you need to leave everything else behind you may believe your good works, your own righteousness your sacraments. If you're participating in those just made to leave everything behind trusting Christ alone. We know that the narrow way is by grace and by grace.

It's not of works, so that no man might boast so if anyone is worried about what's past her on.

I think it really needs to come down to my trusting anything other than Christ, his word and his righteousness, for entrance into heaven because they Broadway is entered by people who have their own righteousness, and I think that by standing before God one day that their righteousness will qualify them for heaven when his appointment through the righteousness of Christ with an alien righteousness that removed the trust from the non-Roman before anybody can click declared righteous need to be stripped of their own righteousness you think of the publican and the Pharisee dancer Mike where you have one who is saying now. I thank God that I'm not like the others, and you have the other one who can't even look up and say Lord have mercy on me a center.

What a difference between the two.

Only one went home justified. On the one with godly sorrow cried out to the Lord was one that's that's exactly right.

So what you say Mike would be some examples of the signs of a false converts what would you expect to see in somebody who thinks he's saved but really is not. Yeah I know, for God without knowledge or we see that in Romans chapter 10. So just because a person of zealous for God if they don't know the Bible. They misled.

We also see another mark with the knowledge of God without obedience. And Paul wrote Dr. Titus in chapter 1 verse 16. So if you don't have an increasing pattern of obedience in your life that a knowledge of God is not, do you any good, love of God without love for Christians in first John chapter 4, to love God and you love those children toward you love the world and its people more than you love God and other Christians about an unwillingness to forgive others in Matthew six.

If you're unwilling to forgive others. My father in heaven will not forgive you, but the mark of a true Christian was to those that have been forgiven and will forgive others. As Paul wrote in Ephesians 432 so those are some of the characteristics of a false Christian. I think a lot of times we ask people therefore concerned about whether or not they really know Christ is, why did Jesus have to die. And a lot of times I will say because he loved us.

My responses that was his motivation but why did they have to die. Amazing how ignorant people are of the risen Christ died it was to satisfy divine justice and people think all my God loving God would send anyone to hell he would not spare his own son when Jesus became son for us, God poured his wrath out on him for what chance does anybody have of avoiding the justice of God without coming to Christ alone as her substitute exactly what you think is Hebrews 1031 where it says it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. And yet we often hear about a guy today is just like a divine Santa Claus. He just wants to dole things out to since the Wayne can see if we make a mistake and he'll overlook it. This is a really scary position for people to be and if they do not fear the Lord and yet even in the church. There doesn't seem to be really a consensus on the need to fear the Lord. I'm afraid to say. Unfortunately, the 21st-century church as part of the world and through its assembly lost the desire to stand for God's truth and so when people in the pew on hearing the truth of God's word being preached. They have no way of discerning truth from error and you know II think there's a great deception going on in our modern churches today. We've exchanged for culture for Christ and hold us for holiness. We've substituted something the gospel for the gospel of God and so people are just so weaselly to say because I do not know the truth from more than ever I think we need to be discerning people because the Lord said before he comes again.

There will be great deception on the earth and are we saying that in our churches today to tell people to start our churches become huge mission field we got Satan planning so many chairs in our churches so that false converts victims of deception either victims of compromise gospels or victims of unlivable methods of evangelism and so we have to preach God's gospel and do it God's word in order to say we coming to the church that you said that because I feel the same way. It's one of the reasons that I wanted to talk to you about this Mike because there tends to be an assumption on many people's part that if you're in the church and if you say your Christian then you are wine and yet we look at the statistics from some of the surveys that have been taken about people who don't really believe that Jesus is the only way to get to God and the Bible isn't really that important and you and you quickly realize that sometimes the word evangelical.

Doesn't mean a whole lot anymore). Church age were people are lukewarm, and the Lord will out of his mouth so more than ever wanted to be ambassadors for Christ, and preach the truth so the people to disable come to know the true Savior. And as you say Mike may God grant people repentance leading to a knowledge of the true gospel that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was married and was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, while a wonderful tract. You can check out proclaiming the gospel and proclaiming the gospel.org is always it's a treat to have with us Mike Chandra and Mike. God bless you so wonderful to have had you on again, thank you God bless you as well.

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