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December 28, 2021 4:00 am

If God is good, why is there evil? And why didn’t God stop man from sinning in the first place? We’ll get a biblical perspective on these and other questions from Scott Christensen, associate pastor of Kerrville Bible Church in Kerrville, Texas. His book is called: “What About Evil? A Defense of God’s Sovereign Glory.” Join us for Tuesday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY

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Now playing Janet River today. Our confidence is in Christ alone, with the word of God says that soil and now out of the land of Egypt to be your God.

You shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

These are the words of God to his people in Leviticus 1145 and they are very significant. God rescued his people who were in bondage as slaves. And then, in light of this fact.

He asserts his holiness and the responsibility of his people to be holy. In turn, now we can clearly ascertain the gospel and the foreshadowed work of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, when we read through the book of Exodus, but there is a fundamental question and really a couple of fundamental questions that arise when we consider these themes of bondage and redemption the Bible teaches that man is born in bondage to sin by nature because of the fall of Adam and we also commit sin, and thought, word and deed which has plagued the world ever since.

The good news is that in the fullness of time, God sent forth his only begotten son to redeem us through the shedding of his blood on the cross and his resurrection from the dead on the third day. Now what we do about the problem of evil. In the interim, if God created us and he is holy, then why is there evil at all. Why did he allow man to fall into sin rather than keep him from it, and in light of the immeasurable evil in this world is God at all culpable for not intervening and stopping it in its tracks. I guess that these are big questions were to tackle some of this today was Scott Christiansen who is the associate pastor of Kerrville Bible Church in Kerrville, Texas and author of the book will be discussing called what about evil, a defense of God's sovereign glory Scott so great to welcome you back to the Shao how are you graded great beer with you.

Thank you. This is really the perennial question is in a trying to reconcile the existence of God with the existence of evil. What is this continue to be the one that just keeps coming up all the time to think, well, good question has always been one of the great conflict. Humans have had to struggle with and so I think it is that is the big question that throughout history people have struggled with it because paying a vehicle is very disheartening to our human existence rights while in the crisis of cyclic secularization. I know this is something you mentioned in the book is something that is magnified. This problem of evil. Can you trust that how do you see secularization impacting people's view of evil and the role of God in stopping evil or not stopping evil you know you could be throughout certainly the time of Christ you know with the influence of Christianity, particularly Western culture that people had resources to think about you call it because they there was widespread belief in God, there was widespread belief in his control over the events of history in our lives that we had resources to cope with evil but really since the Enlightenment, the Enlightenment tried to throw out God and ever since then we've seen Western culture pushed God to the periphery.

More more and as a result of that people really have conflicted feelings about how to to cope with evil and as a result of that, it makes the problem even more acute because we have cast aside the only way that we can really adequately address this problem, which many people. It seems ironic that how can you have this good and powerful God. And yet, you will be of the world, yet without this good and powerful God. We have no way to even grapple with the question in the first place that you're totally right about that. So you said this is all a question of theodicy, the attempt to justify God in the face of evil, and there are different ways that people have used to approach this.

What are some of those ways historically that people have tried to address the question common way prickly among Christians, and that that's the approach that I take in my book is what our Christians respond to this problem, you know others, you know, secularists often deny you goal, they deny God they look at evil they say will evil just proves that God doesn't exist and so the question is been faced with. How do you respond to this news question and so the most common responses known as the free will defense and debit goes all the way back in history, but it was recently revived and in recent decades by philosophers in Christian plot philosophers and whatnot. And it's been largely adopted by most theologians and it's the idea that God values the free will of human beings so much that he is willing to risk that humans would make choices toward your goal in order to you, don't order for them to also have equal ability to choose good.

So the idea is that if you have free will is defined by three wealthiest, which include Arminians an open field. Soon another brand of theology called bulletins and that is given recent traction. In recent years the idea that that we have the equal ability to choose good or evil, and that in order for us to be morally responsible.

We have to have this kind of freedom, and in order for us to truly choose good.

We have to have the freedom to also choose evil. So God allows this freedom, and in doing so he risk the fact that evil will take place on that and that is the most common response to the problem of evil that makes my God's highest concern then would be man's freedom is exactly and that's precisely what that that that approach takes it values man's freedom above really above his own sovereignty, his own glory and his own sovereign control over the universe and over history itself. And so it the free will defense I believe is very man centered approach to the problem of evil and is not a God centered approach. And so in my book, I present a variation of what is known as the greater good and the greater good fence that has on a wide number of proponents largely as is associated with more of a Calvinistic approach the problem of evil and the ideas that God is in control of both good and evil God decrees good and evil could take place. And when he decrees evil. He always has some greater good that he intends her that you goal that otherwise that good would not occur unless that you goal had occurred right and so so there's always some greater good that God has even though we don't always know what those greater goods might be exactly.

So I want to dive into that in more detail.

A little later on this hour. One of the things that I was thinking about that when I was looking through his yearbook and you're talking about, you know, you just mention the free will defense in the natural law defense and some of the ways people have dealt with this problem of the holy God. And yet the existence of evil, and I thought about Christian scientists and that's kind of a really extreme example where they assert that evils like disease, sickness, suffering just appear to be real and I thought that's a really extreme example because then you just have to deny what's right in front of you every single day of your life and and it presents all sorts of problems. But isn't that really the crux of the problem.

Scott that man in his fallen nature wants to make himself the center of the universe and and not deal with the issue of God's glory and God's purpose in the world. He's created right away. Some people have framed the whole problem of evil. Preclinical fields will is and I'm kinda somewhat paraphrasing what he says but but it the idea that God wants for human beings to be happy were not happy. So God must not either care or he must not have the power to ensure happiness while that is a very man centered way of framing the problem and had as if God has some obligation to be our standard of what is happiness for ourselves is very man centered way of even addressing the problem in the greater good argument really looks at what what brings glory to God is clearly what brings much happiness to man's excellent points working to pick up the discussion after this break Scott Christiansen with us. What about evil defense of God's sovereign glory is his book will come back after this on Jennifer hi everyone this is Janet hoping you had a wonderful Christmas celebrating the birth of our great Savior Jesus. Ecclesiastes chapter 3 says that there is an appointed time for everything, and there is a time for every matter under heaven. A time to be silent and a time to speak and so as we come to the end of 20, 21, I just wanted to let you know that my time to speak on Janet Mefford today is ending as well.

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You're listening to Janet Mefford today. And no, thank you so much for being with us. I love talking about the Bible and digging into theological issues and were doing at this hour with Pastor Scott Christiansen, associate pastor, Kerrville Bible Church in Kerrville, Texas and author of the book.

What about evil, a defense of God's sovereign glory.

So before the break we were discussing these theodicy's that people have about how in the world. You can reconcile the existence of God and the existence of evil and you had said Scott before the break that you hold to what is called the greater good defense. I go through this because you've outlined four points to your theodicy God's ultimate purpose in freely creating the world is to supremely magnify the riches of his glory, to all his creatures, especially human beings who alone bear his image. What does that have to do with evil. Why start there with God's ultimate purpose for the world and the issue of his glory will one of you is that we have to face when when when we're dealing with the problem of people were dealing with a broad broad issue. I mean, evil is pervasive in our world and you know and we see it every day and you know you talk about Christian scientist denying the existence of evil with very rare. Most people even the most hard-core secularists recognize that there is evil in this world and they may tweak their definition of vehicle but but they recognize that there are certain things in this world agree that bring pain and suffering that that cause moral indignation and so forth and so it is pervasive we we recognize that we see it every day and so it to me at times into the broader question of what is going on in the world. What was God doing what he created this world and the starting place really is with God and and so the question has to be asked is, did God have to create this world. She did not Had no need to create at all. God was fully satisfied in his own Trinitarian beam from all eternity past, you know, from our perspective than fact that's not even give a proper way of of framing that that matter because God is even confined to time. Time is something that's part of the created construct that God created us and so God had no need to create and so so we have to conclude that God created purely out of his own freedom out of his own desire and why did you do so. I believe that this consistent testimony of Scripture is that God created this world he created image bearing creatures, i.e. human beings so that he could supremely magnify his glory to us his creatures and really to magnify his glory to all creation. But especially his image bearing creatures which are human beings, not even angels I believe are the primary subject of God's glory. Though they see his glory as well, but God primarily displaces glory in human history dealing with human beings. His image bearing creatures and so that's where we have to start and so you know, God created this world. He could've created a way wanted. He could've created such a state that they would never said just like God himself is not said it. We know that there are conditions in a future world in which that will be the case where human beings will not said rights of heaven is like that. We know the new heavens and a new earth is is such a condition. So why didn't God just make the world that way from the get-go's wellhead so that raises this very important question.

It dies and when you look at what the Bible says about God's holiness and his perfect character and you look at what the Bible says about sin. I know the Westminster confession of faith says God from all eternity. Did by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeable. He ordain whatsoever comes to pass, yet so as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures nor is the liberty or contingency of second cause is taken away, but rather established and I know that's kind of a deep paragraph there that I just read. But when you look at verses like James 113 through 15. It talks about God is not tempted by evil.

He doesn't tempt anyone. First John 15 says this is the message we've heard from him and declare to you, God is like in him there is no darkness at all. So one of the questions that comes up among people is how could sin even exist if God is perfect.

How can it exist if God cannot let Oz into heaven. Unless we have our sins atoned for by Jesus Christ. How can the world be sinful it that they really have a difficult time uniting those two concepts which is kind of the.

The whole point here, but but how you deal with that seen coming into the world under God's case so so my way. I pray my yacht is that God God whole purpose in creating the world's have magnify his glory will how does he do that well when you think about it as a Christian. How has God most magnify his glory and is very simple. We know it is through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ in his death is resident in Greeley with his incarnation because all of this is part personal of the person of Christ. What he came to do so.

So God is most magnified in the redemptive work of the incarnate Christ, who came to this or to die to offer himself as a sacrifice on the cross for the sins of those whom God has chosen to save and redeem from their sins and rose from the dead to show his power over sin and death and judgment and she is been exalted to the right hand of the father where he will then come again and establish his kingdom forever. And so this is where God is most glorified business in the redemptive work of Christ.

Yet redemption would be entirely unnecessary unless it had been preceded by something that needed to be repeat list that have been preceded by the world that is has fallen into sin and evil of death and destruction and chaos and and so in order for God to supremely magnify his glory through the redemptive work of Christ that necessitates that he designed the world to took all and I suggested my theodicy that God is more glorified as a a fallen but the redeemed world good in a world that never needed redemption in the first place. Now this is why the reason why is because when we will look at the price that Christ. We look at the condescension that he underwent and when we look at the glory of his person.

It is he has become incarnated and offered himself as this gracious and unbelievably gracious Savior of there is nothing greater magnify the glory of God, than for us at his creatures to revel in the glory of what Christ did and if you did not come to a world that was fallen.

None of that would be necessary. There would be no need for him to become incarnated there be no need for the cross and the resurrection and his subsequent exultation back to his pre-incarnate glory, and so all of the 6.2.

The fact that God purposed this world to be fallen so that she made magnify his glory supremely through Christ, and I believe there is no other world we can imagine, in which God is more supremely magnify in the kind of world that requires a Redeemer like Christ to come and redeem this world's very good. Now I want to tackle some of the issues that come out of what you just said because clearly there will be people who have questions about this. For example, you talk about Felix Culp in your book. This is the sin is that the PDF designed that defines it as the sin of Adam viewed as fortunate because it brought about the blessedness of the redemption. Now there might be some people who think that way. That, but how do you interact with that idea. How should we understand that biblically is all the way back to some scholars think Ambrose for century church father was accursed when they came up with this idea of Felix Culp, but it's a Latin term that means fortunate fall. John Milton picks it up in his is great epic poem Paradise lost it and seems to reference this notion that it was better for the fall through.

It happened then to court not to have.

The reason why is because it occasioned good good good good bringing the sending of Christ as the messianic Redeemer of this fallen world, and so when we think about the stored light of Scripture and I try to tie all this in later chapters of my book. What we see this this common story wind of creation, fall, and redemption took a look at that storyline you have the perfect conditions of Eden prior to the fall that you have that you lost the world into the crisis of the fall show and then that would be like this. This evolution this this falling into the deep pit if you will admin log comes a Redeemer and brings about the work of redemption seal creation fall redemption so you have the sort of U-shaped storyline right you have at the front and you have creation then it dipped down to the fall and later returns to creation. Now it downward just simply the way to view the story so that read the final state of redemption, the eternal state was no different than the original conditions of the world prior to the fall that we might ask the question why did the fall happen in the first place, but I actually suggest something different. I suggested that the storyline is really Jamie shared so that yes the initial conditions of creation of Eden before the fall were very good, as Genesis tells us, but the conditions of the redeemed world are far sadder because of the Christ that we had to go through with this wall that brought us out this great review. So what I scour to come back.

Scott Christiansen, what about evil is the book statement us this archived broadcast of Janet Mefford today is brought to you in part by American underdogs from Lions gate and the team that brought you. I can only imagine based on the true story of championship winning quarterback Kurt Warner American underdog. Rated PG parental guidance suggested. Now playing Janet Mefford today and here's your host Joe Mefford. We are going to eat today into this question. What about evil, it's the name of the book from Pastor Scott Christiansen and we are really digging deep into the word of God into this very important theology.

How in the world you reconcile the existence of God and the existence of evil. Probably the biggest question that human beings have and yet their answers in the word of God before the break you were talking about the storyline of Scripture really being J shaped and I wanted to let you finish explaining that for people J shaped storyline is that you have the initial conditions of Eden prior to the fall that were very good and then you have this crisis of the fall that causes the storyline could dip down below to the low point of of of the storyline with the coming of Christ in the work of redemption in the final eternal state of his eternal kingdom is actually greater then the initial unfallen conditions of Eden because precisely the crisis that occurred in the price that Christ had to pay to redeemed that world and we have a greater appreciation for that final state because of the crisis that we ourselves experience as believers.

But if we have placed our faith in Christ, we have a greater appreciation for redemption, then if we had never needed redemption in the first place right so when you're talking about a fortunate fall then would it be fair to say that you put this in a similar context to what Joseph said to his brothers, you meant it for evil but God meant it for good in that being sold into slavery in all the horrors that he went through at the hands of his brothers God was using it for greater plan so we wouldn't be saying of the fortunate fall that sin was a good thing because clearly it's not. Would that be a fair assessment. Yes, absolutely.

So this is where we have.

This is where we have multiple foxes problems that were dealing with. So forgetful. We have to make a distinction between what we might call God's moral will and God's sovereign will. So yes, the fall violates God's moral right so sin of Adam was expressly in violation of God's moral command to Adam and Eve and therefore violated God moral will and yet God purposed that that very thing would happen. As part of his sovereign will and so often his sovereign will. It is done in a way that incorporates a violation of his moral will probably one of the most powerful examples of that we find, for example, in acts chapter 2 we finally get it in acts chapter 4 in acts chapter 2 Peter is preaching the sermon on the day of Pentecost, and he speaks to go to that girl quickly speaks to the Jews, and he is describing Christ and in Christ work and he says men of Israel, listen to these words of Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him in your bench just as you yourself know this man delivered over five the predetermined playing and in foreknowledge of God right so this uptight about God sovereign will is predetermined plan races you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put him to death. That's very interesting because on the one hand, Peter is saying that this is part of God's sovereign plan is predetermined plan in his foreknowledge, and yet it happened at the hands of godless men right so you have God ordaining that which occurs at the hands of godless men would have a similar thing in and ask chapter 4 where the church is praying to God and as they pray they say to him for truly in the city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel to do whatever your hand and purpose predestined to occur.

So here again you have the same notion that God uses the actions of evil men with evil desires to accomplish his good purposes and that's precisely what Joseph is talking about. And in Genesis 5020 when he says what you meant for evil, i.e. his brothers who sold him into slavery. Having evil motivations behind their evil deed. Yet God superintended those very same event yet. He had very good purposes for them that this is where we where we can solve the problem of moral responsibility because God and his transcendent holiness, and in his sovereign oversight and transcendent oversight of the whole unfolding of history has the requisite wisdom and goodness to be able to ordain in evil open that Lee has a very good purpose in his overall plan for the world merit human beings when they perform. People would always come from an evil motive's side can never have an evil motive for the evil that he ordains, nor does he directly because evil to happen. He does not infuse an evil will be so you have this tension between human responsibility and God's sovereignty and so there's lots of questions full. Yes it is Jos's yeah absolutely.

Now here here's a question I hate even asking this, but I know this comes up and I know a lot of listeners will be curious about how you would answer this when they hear this question. You have some people who will refer to God as a divine child abuser and this fits into the context of what we've been discussing here.

For example, they would say will wait a minute. If God allowed sin to enter the world so he could be magnified in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and find the culmination of his glory and the work of Christ isn't that kind of like a father who throws his son on the train tracks, only to jump in and save him at the last minute. Why did he throw that in the sun on the train tracks. To begin with. Not a perfect analogy, but the divine child abuser thing does come up in apologetics discussions, how do you answer that will first of all, God would never ordain evil good, it did not have some way to good otherwise could not come unless the evil existed and in Jesus the death of Jesus Christ is a primary example of that here you have perhaps the greatest evil that is ever been perpetrated right because you have the only time in history which a truly innocent man was maligned that Berg and the person of Jesus Christ and yet God ordained that to happen because of the supremely greater good that comes out of that particular evil through the whole of the world, but the other issue that we have to recognize is that Christ himself voluntarily entered into this pack. If you will with the father whereby being sent by the father he willingly embraced this very evil and in Hebrews tells us that that he should always set before him despised the shame of the cross, despised the paying despised the the utter humiliation that that he had to embrace because he saw all of the great glory that God would receive in the salvation of of of vast people whom God would redeem as a result of his death and resurrection, and therefore Christ fully embrace that and to suggest that that is cosmic child abuse. It is completely misses the whole point of the death and resurrection of Christ. I totally agree with you.

I bring it up just because. Do people do say this, and sometimes Christians will so I'm really not to say that in other say, well, you allowed sin into the world, but you didn't have to do that Lord. So why did you have to kill Jesus. You could just Send from being in the world. But then again that's the broader point now. Something else I want to get to in a little bit more detail when we come back from this next break is the passage in Romans chapter 9 of this is a really important passage.

I think for people to understand when we are examining the effects of the fall in sin in the world and evil in the world and God's glory in God's character and how it all ends up that God is most glorified in the work of Jesus Christ were to come back with Scott Christiansen talking about his book.

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There's a lot to unpack their Scott, I know.

But how does Romans nine fit into this theodicy that you're discussing in your book about God's sovereignty and God's glory and the salvation of sinners and the order of salvation and God's decrees. I know this is a lot to fit into just a couple of minutes, but can you tackle that for us and help us out with what were to take that passage. So it's important to recognize that God is glorified both in judgment and salvation both in his justice and in his mercy, and I believe that one of the ways that God is supremely magnified in his mercy is in the contrast or in the backdrop of his justice and and often his mercy is magnified in the face of God, acts of justice and so really the backdrop for what Paul was saying here is the answer that in the book of Exodus, which is the the Seminole redemptive that that in the Old Testament from which the rest of the Bible really builds on the sort of redemptive name of God pulling his people out of slavery and delivering them with all these miraculous events and judgments that he brings against Egypt and against Pharaoh and at the center of that that judgment and deliverance that are contrasted right so so God delivers Israel through judgment right now, in my judgment of them, but judgment of Egypt, and in particular Pharaoh and so Pharaoh is highlighted in Exodus and we see over and over again how the book of Exodus talk about Pharaoh's heart being hard right. He hardens his own heart centers. There's his own responsibility. There, but simultaneously we see parallel passages in Exodus indicate that it is God who hardens his heart. That's why will he quote so that I would demonstrate my power in you write the power of the judgment that that comes against Egypt, you know, under normal circumstances.

Most people would relent after the first slave against Egypt, but Pharaoh continually hard heart. Why, so the God could continually display his miraculous power of judgment, and in the light of that severe judgment.

Suddenly we see God deliver his people in the parting of the Red Sea and all of that and I think we have to take all of that at face value. This is real miraculous stuff going on here in history and God does it to magnify his mercy and so the contrast of Paul is drawing here is that God chooses to whom he will hardened and he chooses whom he will show mercy to, and in doing so he actually magnified his mercy so God I'll go willing to demonstrate his wrath and make his power know and reward with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction so he endured with much patience, as it were Pharaoh get over it over and over again. In it, and finally brings his judgment against him.

But why so that she verse 23 would make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he compared before him for glory. And so the idea is one is implicit in this notion is that why did God choose to harden Pharaoh but delivers people for people did nothing to deserve deliverance. It is totally inactive God screen mercy that you delivered his people Israel from bondage didn't have to do that. And yet, in doing so. His glory is magnified precisely through the judgment that the Egyptians experienced the same kind of judgment for the Israelites themselves could have experienced.

If God so chosen to allow them to be judged for their own sinful, stubborn hearts night sky just like Pharaoh and so yeah, there's a lot more to impact there, but I believe that primarily what Paul is trying to do is to show how God magnifies his glory and mercy in the face of judgment that we all deserve ultimately sure yet because of his mercy he truly you know freely chooses to save some not all well and here's the thing in the gospel is offered to all clearly and that's why were to go out and fulfill the great commission is believers.

But when were talking about evil, it seems to me that God is a simple way of saying God dealt with evil mean when people say why doesn't God deal with evil. Why didn't he stop this. Why did he stop 9/11. Why did he stop my child from dying or what I whatever happens to be why didn't he stop the pandemic, whatever it is God dealt with evil on the cross for all time and we are awaiting the end of all things. In the end of human history, and Christ's return.

We understand all of that, but how do you drive that home to people who wrestle with evil, to assure them that even though it doesn't look like it right at this moment in your own life because of your troubles that yes, it is the case that God dealt with evil and all you have to do is look at the cross to see that you take part of it is recognizing that none of God's should escape the judgment of God. And really, God deals with with evil in two ways. He deals with it and in the conventional display of his justice either in temporal judgments are ultimately an eternal judgment so that no I know you call in the history of the world will ever go unaddressed.

Ultimately yes, God either deals with it in the cross or he deals with it an eternal judgment or even in temporal judgments as well.

But the point is is that the God's glory is magnified in them and mercy especially when we recognize that we did not deserve that mercy and yet he promises it to us. And he promises to redeem all of the suffering that we experience in the present it up all talk about this in second Corinthians 14 417 where he says this momentary, light affliction that were going through is believers in this present age is producing for us an eternal weight of glory right that glory speaks of God's glory being magnified in our glorification and the removal of all the suffering that you will that we experience in this life we have this promise because of his mercy that indeed there will be to all of our suffering and pain in this world is a promise to every believer so that God's glory would be magnified yes and you know I think mercy obviously is is a wonderful thing and none of us deserve it, but on the issue of justice. That's also as you say, a part of God's glory in a part of God's character. All of us will get justice in the final analysis, except those who put their trust in Jesus Christ. Get justice because Christ took the punishment that we deserved so it's not as if God overlooks anybody sin. It's just you're either in Christ and he took the punishment for your sin. Or ultimately you will bear the punishment for your own sin for eternity that I mean this is ultimately a great way to state this is why you should trust in Christ as your Lord and Savior, because there is a way out of the punishment because God so loved the world, and that's good news that's right that's right, it is important to recognize that God never sweeps evil under the rug right right you will.

He deals with it in our lives and for those who place their faith in Christ is all dealt with in Christ.

Christ took that punishment Christ absorbed that evil. He took the route of God upon himself who experience the equivalent of the of an eternity of judgment on himself so that we would be freed from having to experience and judgment ourselves in a manner that is great is his mercy and that's what we cling to as believers. I love it. Thank you so much Scott Christiansen, the name of the book is what about evil, a defense of God's sovereign glory. So good to have you here Scott, thanks a lot for being with us. I really appreciate it been my pleasure to write God bless you, thank you for joining us on Janet Mefford today.

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