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Melvin Tinker (Christ's Incarnation)

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Melvin Tinker (Christ's Incarnation)

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December 24, 2021 4:00 am

At Christmas, we celebrate the birth of Jesus as Immanuel -- God with us! But why did God have to become a human being in order to save us, and why is the doctrine of the incarnation so vital to the life and health of the church? I'll talk it over with pastor and speaker Rev. Melvin Tinker, author of the new book, "Veiled in Flesh: The Incarnation; What it Means and Why it Matters." That and more on Friday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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Rated PG parental guidance suggested in theaters everywhere. Christmas Day is Janet River. Today, our confidence is in Christ alone is the word of God says that soil child and will give birth to a son, and you will call him Emmanuelle. The prophecy of Isaiah 714 was one of many in the Old Testament, foretelling the birth of Jesus the Messiah. The baby in the manger, who was and is both fully God and fully human, but why did God have to become man in order to save us. And why is the doctrine of the incarnation so vital to the life and the health of the church that is good to be our discussion today with the Rev. Melvin Tinker, who is senior minister of St. John Newland Hall, UK, and a well-known international speaker and today will be talking about his book veiled in flesh, the incarnation, what it means and why it matters. It's wonderful to welcome me back to the show Rev. Tinker how are you I'm very well done. Thank you for inviting all my pleasure.

It's always great to talk to you and this is really one of my favorite subjects to tell you the truth, the incarnation is the perfect time of year to talk about it you as it is, you describe the incarnation II like this. The infant is the in flesh meant of the eternal son of God, which I guess to the untrained ear might signed sound a little bit complicated, but how do we understand the incarnation.

How do we explain the incarnation in the simplest of terms. While incarnation come from a Latin word and felt an flesh in the flesh, but John kept warm this pool. The wood became flesh summative dwelling among the simplest way of putting it. This is not God became man without ceasing to be God that fit my dog became a man without ceasing to be God and so you have this long is unique individual who has both a divine nature, which is distinct from human nature. Yet the one person we only have one that you human nature, not at today to be behind and writing song with father. Yes, so it's simple the way that you describe it in yet. There's a great mystery there and we know how difficult it can be when you get into more detail about the issue that you've raised here that God was fully man. This is hard for people because you say well how is it that if men are sinful that God could become a man, and Jesus did not inherit a sin nature from his mother.

Now how do we answer questions like that. Well with talking about becoming a human being. Now is not integral being human right out of human, fully human, yet simple before he fell and so when Christians die, they would cross him again. You have the new given resurrected glorified bodies. Those bodies will be one not be any less human, more human being what we were meant to be so was nothing for you to fight. It's vital that Christ is by thought out we mean not simply that Jesus was incapable at what would that did not being capable of right if you like you to know situation which he would even want to single contemplate for appeal even to contemplate sin actually is true that you don't go off and pulled his eyes, but you have no such sinful desires because he was born conceived of the Virgin Mary of the Holy Spirit under full perfect man and perfect God is one person, yes, yes, so this points out the critical truth that the birth of Jesus Christ had to be a virgin birth. There are some people who would argue with that and say doesn't really matter. She was just a young woman, Mary was just a young woman, not necessarily a virgin bed that is absolutely essential. Right to the incarnation. Yeah, it's more about the video conference.

Yes anyone writing right in you, United baby but what about a complexion and this is why it was important that she was a virgin and that you know question about the identity of Jesus is that because for example, that you know she was married to Joseph Joseph.

It had such a ventricles with without any complexion and lights along the Holy Spirit then book about the original conception will be?

Yeah, what about a spirit was virgin meant any shadow of the doubt that this was a miraculous complexion, which of course is what Joe did not want. He wanted to get you will like to please the people away right exactly. So we have a lot that's packed into the understanding of the incarnation and you talk at the beginning of your book about some of the people who are really challenging the incarnation, and I know that was quite true in church history when we go back to the time the Council of Nicaea and Athanasius and Arius and all of that who Jesus really was, etc. etc. what about today where do you see some of the challenges coming from regarding whether or not Jesus truly was fully God and fully man.

Well, you know, getting it from academic illusions and church leaders to mumble.

Want to come from the left always the form ship of the church that Catherine give it to school and she sent me a limited method and find cheap tickets on sale of the way people think, yes, will be gone from not saying talking to different mythical way of speaking of Jesus being not know God and a man but soon someone who was just a window into God's superior was no different to taking Jim's witnesses, Sir, that is offshore to what the Bible teaches and what the historic creeds bought the Nicene Creed and all the Christian church down the ages have these people actually like Catherine Shorey, for instance, in the past people I don't keep it religion what they're proposing. Actually Christianity that promoting totally different religion. The subdivision unethical come one John for now I bet Jesus is come in the flesh of Antichrist. Yes, right exactly 1st time for really important passage in that regards what why is that when we look at me that's a perfect passage to bring up why is that doctrine, the one that is mentioned as indicative of the spirit of antichrist. If somebody denies that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh will find below a number of things long regulation. How do we know God can only know God if he reveals himself to wanted the Hebrews held only if God has spoken times in various ways it in the past, but in these last spoken to us by phone and goes on to describe who the son is long and everything was made pulled on the defined side of reality.

And so what we saying here is that this will have you know God have you know God exists.

I always say well I haven't seen in the rounded #2000 years ago. I would suggest Jesus we have the definitive revelation of God comes my Lord my God is to sit before matching this fall.

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We cannot know God clearly and without the salvation of the state is one of the big screen, but the old and New Testament. The Old Testament unbuckled for committing the song is that God alone can save only God can save the second we got that ourselves know that creature can save his only God can cite the second thing is that only humans can represent humans and so we need someone who can actually represent to the gall to mean this again is going to make sure the high priest must be able to represent those who send yes to what you have in Christ is God. God is the one who saves by going across all phases of human being who is both the victim and the priest of the cross across the field today.

He is the victim. The sacrifice and also the one who offers the sacrifice and guilty pleas priest and so little you knew he wanted the gall to say this to become human, without surrendering his undoubtably seen Jesus God the perfect man wonderful it's it's it really is beyond understanding except we know that's what God's word reveals to us in Hebrews 1 the whole chapter of Hebrews, when in fact the entire book of Hebrews is one of my very favorites in the whole Bible but went when you talk about Jesus being God's final word you alluded to the beginning hear the first several verses where it talks about long ago God spoke to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us in his son. And it goes on like you said to describe whom his meal. He appointed heir of all things etc. etc. why is that significant and what is that really saying because, for example, when you you you mention the Aryans before the Jehovah's Witnesses would be the modern-day equivalent of the Aryans who believe that Jesus was the first being God ever created, and there are some who would still say that that was God the first creation of God when he talks some of the verbiage in the Bible. People can get very confused by that and say what it sounds like Jesus is just the highest created being of God. But that's not what this is saying no spring here is again will talk about nation where phrasing in the past God spoke through the prophets at many times and this way you could talk about that in them in bits and pieces okay over a period of time in these last days and this is prepared from the coming of Jesus on with you spoken to us by his song that's very definite is not just any sum is some and one is been appointed heir of all things and through school so he made the universe.

Now again and then we we get to them talking again of the nature of the song rages to be in the exact representation of his being so just down the rays of the sun calm all distinguishable column basically from the sun itself that is the SON some SU and some sandwiches with with that with Jesus to I meant about exec with taking his being that the ideas that stem so the weekly the image of the stem is exactly the representation of that and you guys sell so stating all things by his powerful one will creatures count stayed all things will go. The language that we find in the Old Testament God language of the Old Testament or the activity of God speaking revealing creating sustaining saving all now constituted here this one will be something I will make this even more remarkable. In my view is that the left of the Hebrews was locked.

Probability was written by Hebrew bite you to choose a name you have good talking to thing to say that he himself was priestly caste unit and you got this June.

Choose absolutely solid on the only one God speaking to someone who just a few years later there. Azalea was paying bills and laying my walk: two eggs, don't compensate for not to the same level as Yahweh well reasoned that Jesus is teaching but also his own acts, he acted as God called the school gate since he raised the dead girl stuff if you like. So what conclusion got in the flesh course and having predicted his own resurrection and then accomplishing it was so quite extraordinary as well.

That was the confirmation that he really was who he said he was yet ascension which which again what goes on pico you provided purification since he sat down. What happened that is not the place into angels. This is the place of God right right.

He superior to the Angels.

That's another important theme of Hebrews, why not what you think you exactly so you know you have this interesting section when it's talking about Jesus being superior to the Angels for to which of the angels did he ever say you are my son, today I have begotten you.

And of course people talk about Jesus is the only begotten son of God. But here's what's interesting when you get down to verse six again with the Arianism it says and when he again brings the firstborn into the world, he says, and let all the angels of God worship him dear people who will look at firstborn. To this day and say well if he's eternal and if he were begotten is you Christians say that he was, how could he also be the firstborn. How are we to understand that word in the context were truly it is saying that Jesus is to be worshiped as God will not out you'd like. For instance, so yeah this is caused by that the Aryans Michael areas basically to say that Jesus was superior creature. He wasn't he wasn't called. He was a superior creature creature created by God to do other things like going to be public creatures and self was denied Council of Nicaea and defeated them but firstborn is a term referring against the Israelis described as goats, firstborn, Princeton, and David and is very failing to apply superiority status. The one who will inherit things so that by firstborn ultimately mutual Israel.

Such right, but designate by dog to be special people that's important is that little gold angels worship him. Yes, that is firstborn and no no in the holy Bible is you do not worship anyone other than God exactly how to explain that exactly what you mentioned before that the it because of the incarnation you have God becoming man and so he will become the victim that is the Sabbath sacrifice for sin. But he's also the priest out the final priest but is also the final profit isn't that now going back to what we were discussing earlier in the last days he has spoken to us in his son where he had dropped Ezio through prophets. So what is this mean for God's revelation we have a lot of people today even trying to say. Today we still have profits. People get direct messages from God and it is important for The wall and all the free will of Christ which the reformers allowed on pulpit priest and king. Yes, these profit long to bring the full and final revelation of God is the priest who offers patient sin and easily came to sit down in the lock on his Majesty in heaven.

So although we he rolled in the Old Testament about different got to be together to come together this one individual so he is God exactly right.

Well want. God is the one who saved and goaded long rules sure is. That's why when Jesus himself says if somebody says come out here. Here is the Christ follow him. It's knocking to be made. We know it's not to be Jesus. Yeah, we have wheat we we we need, we won't be called revelation we have it in Jesus and use what he's done so and recorded for fully infallibly in the Scriptures daily.

Next thing to happen is the second coming. I got a big log beautiful. I love that was let's pause for another break failed and/is the name of the book by the Rev. Melvin Tinker will come back discussing the incarnation. Your enchantment for today. This archived broadcast of Janet my for today is brought to you in part by American underdog from Lions gate and the team that brought you. I can only imagine based on the true story of championship winning quarterback Kurt Warner American underdog. Rated PG parental guidance suggested in theaters everywhere, Christmas day today and here's your host Joe we are so glad that you are with us and I am really glad to have with us. The Rev. Melvin Tinker. He is senior minister of St. John Newlin Hall in the UK. He's a well-known international speaker and author of many great books. His latest is veiled in flash the incarnation what it means and why it matters, and we been talking about. Hebrews one in particular there's so much to discuss any John chapter 1 is also a very important passage, is it not on the subject of the incarnation. Rev. Tinker, because that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God in a different policy in Scripture point clearly different ways so you have a great Philippians that he did not consider equality with God himself felt that Highview of Christ. They should define the human that Colossians 115 that great him he was wrong with seeing John chapter 1 and a moment than anywhere else. More clearly, but very interesting way that it is splashed home relation revelation is absolutely clear about the divinity and humanity of Jesus, the lion, the lamb, so you have these these these guys to say well we can use a late development tool came only from the church mainly in the Greek influence in Council of Nicaea in the Mekong with Chalcedon fellow position announcement New Testament will these native people did many to count heretics was to formulate these things in the way which the boundaries single here the boundaries outside these boundaries is heresy mounted freedom for how we might conceive this thought here, the boundaries, Jesus is one person that Jesus is divine is human just to make sure key things right right and this was something that has come to us late in church history because a lot of Christians had to fight for this truth didn't they through the years they had to clarify this for the rest of the church with these ancient creeds. These ancient councils that took place right and I need people think this was just like a group of academics getting together because I'm just not the only thing it won't some of the people who are in Chalcedon. Some of the bishops and leaders that some of them had came without having the soul all what happened because they had suffered like they had been tortured okay so these people are passionate because really people salvation with study documents so they wanted to take anything any dilution of all of the Christian faith is absolutely crucial and so long Nicaea in 3 to 5 for Cumberland in unison and then casing with God alone can save this will Jesus must be God right as long as Constantinople create long and on the the family ready for full that Jesus was fully human. Yes, that one sex is natural for three long and that was saying, look, this one person you schizophrenic life. Human mind and the divine mind and eventually got loaned to nature that with what we've inherited metal swallows kind of funny, I saw a couple of weeks ago.

I think it was somebody was trying to make the argument on the Internet that the Council of Nicaea was not a genuine Council of Christians because there was privilege involved in the people who discussed I'm not. I can't make this stop. You know how we were in this time, don't you, everything is our mail as well. Cars, of course, want to why yes yes the nations with African yeah okay but it was it was not organic. In other words, you have these very powerful men who were forcing the Council of Nicaea to go on a certain doctrinal direction. But when you start mentioning all the people had suffered for Jesus Christ. It's a little hard to think that they would do that. I mean it's crazy what people realize many think that when you send out King Kong. What we called it in the area compromise so that it saying that Jesus had the same nature as God substance in nature.

Homo feel great one. Something compromise similar substance homeboy and often they see no and five time slots on the affirmations was banished and ended up living in the desert. Tina felt for the persecution wall of but he won the day. So if you talk about power. The power was on the side of the heretics.

Good point. Otherwise, why would he have had to make that pronouncement about countrymen the whole world was with Sam. Why would he have had to say that the first click right yet against the world basically said Louisville will display this. I don't care this goal to set it and that's enough for me right exactly what was about when you say rightly, of course, that only God can save us. I think there people who don't know enough about Christian doctrine to understand why that would be. They say well if he doesn't get down to the holiness. The nature of God and also the sinlessness of God. How would you best explain that to somebody who finds that confusing. Why couldn't Jesus just be an extraordinary profit and die for our sins will I think that we don't understand the seriousness people of non-it is like someone saying that some wall in Princeton and it would be a cool thing to say about someone who is HIV-positive got a dying of AIDS how well all needed to take an aspirin will be fine.

No, just ridiculous because of the seriousness of the disease dreadful is killing a thought. Just the thought of all the money peccadillo with God is something which with these and twisted out of being assigned to the world. Everything else up. You will dreadful then so ingrained you know the hard drive is damaged and is going to take some wall of men's how to do this know me at profit only go to exactly that's a great thing that people underestimate think that's a really important point. I think that really kind of encapsulates the spirit of the age, even for people who will acknowledge that sin exists and will see rightly that sin is the only doctor in the can be empirically verified. His chest continues to put it, even if they acknowledge it. There is even a reluctance I found in the church to really cop to how bad sin really is even and especially in ourselves. We really don't want to look at the other guys the problem. It's not really me but it is me yeah what is the time was a problem with the human rightly wrote back saying that I am I am just got it right. I mean it that we ought to and that it's true it's true and you know that is when salvation and what Jesus did for us really is overwhelming when you know the degree to which you were in trouble and under the wrath of God for sin and then you understand that the very God, under whose wrath we are was the same God who came to save us. You just want to worship him. And that's exactly what we should do to pause for another Rt. Rev. Melvin Tinker is with us veiled in flesh as his buck will be back right after this, this is Janet map or for Bible league international. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. These words written early in John's Gospel remind us in this Advent season that God sent his son to be our Lord and Savior that many Christians in Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East have never read those words or the Christmas story in Luke two why because they have no access to the Bible. So in this season of giving.

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How could God die I don't answer that question and told Wesley how can it be immortal dies and I will come back to the debate church to do with Jesus one person not to and that there was one theologian Michael Cyril of Alexandria, and he took on a how to comb the story of the story basically said could not believe equally could not come for that grade B in a in a manger. You could God, you said I could not call to a three-month-old baby girl in his mind. Disjunction between the divine nature and human nature to want a little think of divine attributes and you think you to draw a list of divine attributes in the list of human attributes the divine attributes.

He is the giver of life is everywhere.

God knows everything is well with the guy is with Jesus.

What you can do.

Must be able to take subject will Agree and think about the subject connected together and say well yes it was one person, Jesus want to give life as they long was born of human he is everywhere at the logoff book close in infancy on the one is missing, to no school human being.

No don't like the guy from conclusion governing day to script and so on long gone to possible subject yet and so to say that on the cross, God guided in the right then you go qualify that what what we can say is that on the cross of Jesus long who's got a nine died, yes, that's good, that's exactly right. You don't have to get you become becomes nonsense right that's that's really well side, and I think that helps explain. Now here's another one and I know you bring this one up in your book as well. Some of the objections people will sometimes raise about the limits of the incarnation. I don't even like saying it that way. But, for example, you look at Matthew 26, where Jesus is crying out in the garden of Gethsemane and he prays my father if it is possible, let this cup pass from me.

Yet not as I will but as you well.

So some people will read that verse and imply that the father and the son had two different wells.

How should we really understand that when were understanding that Jesus is the God man to be a little wiggle language you talk about somebody's will mean two things we can talk about that which you desire. I will cover it up on lava will that is the exercise of active okay I am now going to put the kettle on, make English as you make me thirsty but I like that okay so what we have with Jesus and not as I will, because you will one person will live clients through this human person is not left up to class was acute design because he knew what it was going to involve that with the design he exercises active will be submitted to the will of his father, which actually is also the height will God's light that you to go for some yes you have a genuine struggle going on here Jesus human well and intends all his desire that he was terrified. He sweat drops of blood in me was real, he felt that God visited Pete could do would like to speak with the divine divine nature to make a note is not like that person. Person. And so here you have not human consciousness. Consciousness struggling fear of weakness and temptation in order to align. That's right. And he looked at me yet, so I can will I will submit and then God will also come to the one it would seem to me that one of the ways you could read that is to is to say that it demonstrates more than ever that Jesus was a real person. He wasn't just some kind of shadow of a man.

He was a real person he was, as you say, sweating blood, and he was know that the horrors of you didn't want him to say he was a real human. That's right right who's made of flesh and blood like that's exactly he had in mind like a line which was great under that tremendous weight when using the God alone.

Father and strengthened himself his disciples.

They were sleep I can imagine that now that you get take the whole thing will which would crush him this holy day, you'll be with Kim to become the will of the entire will from beginning to end and he didn't deserve to die the whole thing about a short will willingly did for the glory of his sake. Yes, I you see when you kept pretty well in the patient saw the ghost walk meant to do is to drive us to worship and adoration not playing intellectual games. We all coming from the history, but the Lord have a great grand. It should be a humbling experience for me like oh I can imagine the implications of the incarnation for our salvation are innumerable. In some ways because without the incarnation there would be no salvation. This is, it seems we we really need to dig deeper into this doctrine, especially around Christmas time really dig into it… Great future because he find being my Jesus body tunnel gone the logoff taking to himself human nature without swimming divine nature that we will now unite inclined. We are united with him again what speaks of the elder brother you taking on flesh and blood not mean that all mission blog will also be so. Jesus didn't come just to save souls could actually our entire being, because he has a five state united with him. We will escape you to be with him.

The wonderful thing.

Why talk about of the that we will judge angels why because we do not to him.

We think of the rotten father of being incredible now and could not yeah all the time. Absolutely absolute manner so much but you gotta read about veiled in/the incarnation what it means and why it matters by the Rev. Melvin Tinker, always wonderful to have you here Rev. Tinker. Thank you again for a wonderful book. And thanks for being with us always wonderful to have you as well. God bless you, thank you so much for being with us and we'll see you next time I Janet my for today is our team effort.

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