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Wallace Henley (Artificial Intelligence)

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December 6, 2021 4:00 am

What kinds of spiritual dangers lie ahead with the advancement of artificial intelligence? I’ll discuss it with Wallace Henley, author of the book, “Who Will Rule the Coming ‘Gods?’” Plus: The newest call against so-called “conversion therapy” is to ban prayer for homosexuals. We’ll cover that and more on Monday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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It can also be used to make our daily lives easier. That sounds pretty chipper. IBM described AI this way artificial intelligence leverages computers and machines to mimic the problem-solving and decision-making capabilities of the human mind, and yet even outlets like the BBC are beginning to discuss the dangers of AI, the network stated if you believe some AI watchers we are racing towards the singularity, a point at which artificial intelligence outstrips our own and machines go on to improve themselves at an exponential rate. If that happens, and it's a big F what will become of us in the last few years, several high profile voices from Stephen Hawking to Elon Mosque and Bill Gates and warned that we should be more concerned about possible dangerous outcomes of supersmart AI well for Christians.

There's something else we ought to think about what dangers of letting artificial intelligence potentially eclipse the true God or in a talk about that today, with Wallace Hanley. He is a former White House and congressional aide who served 18 years as a teaching pastor at Second Baptist Church in Houston is now serving a grace church in the Woodlands, Texas, and is out with a new book will be discussing who will rule the coming God's the looming spiritual crisis of artificial intelligence Wallace. It's great to talk to again how are you doing wonderful to recruit like you that what a lot of people will say this is great you know computers are gonna make our lives easier. AI is a good development. What is your overall take on artificial intelligence. There's good, there's bad, but you've got some concerns, but overall creditors good. We've got to keep the artificial and artificial intelligence. We got the money. We understand that this is not some organic reading implacably above all understand that this is not a substitute for God. One of the scholars that I quote from them in my new book on this is Dr. John Lennox would like to be because the quest for upgraded humans, creating super intelligence and and God would is very ancient and in its contemporary form, dressed up in the language of advanced computer technology and very alluring. That's what I'm concerned about right. So when you talk about this concept of singularity. This is something that goes back to people like Ray Kurzweil and Werner Witt dingy he wrote in 1993 essay on the coming technological singularity, and he argued in that piece that the creation of superhuman AI will mark the point at which the human era will be ended such that no current models of reality are sufficient to predict beyond a bit.

That is creepy. Just as a basic reaction to the singularity. Our old models have to be discarded and the human era will be ended. That doesn't sound very positive so far as humans are concerned. Do you think that there is any likelihood that they will achieve this dream though well finance goes as far as science could go there will always stretch to the limit and so consequently it is possible to create a euro like this it will be created. It will be done. Anybody who stands in the way of it will be declared as anti-fire and belonging back to the age of believing a flatter, so consequently yes it will. It will go forward to that. If we don't wake up and understand what's happening. Well, what are some areas that AI is making inroads into our society right now.

Well obviously we depend very much on Alexei Alexie and these other people oldies over computerized voices could do all consequent scores, but my concern is, is the displacement of the sense of the transcendence of God's we are married or transcendence. We are are RSA in August and said our hearts will by God for God.

Only God can fill.

And when we don't have God in that place.

Then we begin to make God. This is the whole story of idolatry and so I wrote a book entitled who will remove the coming God because the reality is, these devices will be seen by many, and already are as a substitute for God. What propelled me to like this book is that a former Google engineer actually formed and AI church in California and he seemed to be quite serious about this, but this is this is ultimate for an answer your question science will go as far as science could go with this and that they even made displacing the sense of the transcendence of God. Now this is an interesting point and I think a very significant point that we are made for transcendence.

We know God is both immanent and transcendent, and it is very much the story of human history that fallen men and women have made idols out of you know things that are of the earth and have not worshiped the true God is, he deserves to have our worship in what way. Specifically, could artificial intelligence, interfere with our sense of transcendence and and in so doing, replace God effectively hot.

How would that occur will one thing is all commercially technology.

So whatever is ultimate first issue in the world. Worldviews deal with about eight basic questions I will be a little ball just the first, the number one question is what is ultimate in a perfect world what we see is ultimate and because people are learning to get information so quickly I don't such a scale and their learning to extend their own knowledge. So, rather than in boggled we have in boggled machine which is the image of the machine in the human be at it become so easy to to to worship that if you will worship that that awesome mystery. My concern is not that this happened. It's going to happen. My concern is what kind of people are programming the ethical limits in the AI machines that are developing some of those machines were to have some that have become self reproductive so some of these machines must have at some point all of us have at some point you are going to be freethinking machine.

We're going to have to have some border, some boundary that says this is wrong and this is what what happens when the machine does the found analysis on the whole problem of the planet and the size that human beings of the problem the planets and that they have to go what who's programming these machines and what kind of values are being programmed into the well that's that's really the crux of it.

And here's another question. Why would man and I understand on some level the answer this question, but why would Mann want to invent himself. Outs of dominion over creation. In other words, there are some of these inventors in some of these people on the singularity trainer very excited about the possibility that the human era will be ended well, that would affect them as well. There human beings.

What what is that mentality that says we want machines to become so powerful that will be less relevant than they are. What, why, why do they want that well. It is all about displacing God folder in the human heart that has no room for God for the transcendence of God, there's always this idea of progress is the holy Grail, and whatever obscures progress is sin. Therefore, we don't want to be judged by our peers. We might not win the Nobel Prize. Yes, we don't want to be judged by our peers as being anti-progress so consequently we will do whatever we can do even if it even if it removes us from the planet.

In my book of who will rule the coming God. I have a chapter on Einstein and what happens when Einstein begins to realize the potential for the atomic bomb yes and it of course is in my people in the 1940s and and World War II is going all sold for one of the major things that Einstein does is to like Pres. Roosevelt and so you need to be aware of what has become possible.

All of a sudden well without that sense of caution, even though Einstein was a profound scientist who did want to take the science where it went. Nevertheless, he was also a man of qualitative thinking. We live in an era of quantitative thinking how much information can we crush into one of these machines.

How much information can we milk out of shape and at some point if we become obstructed book that the best the point at which we site humanity has to go wow that is very scary to consider.

But there is a lot more to consider ringing to take a short pause and come back with Wallace Hanley. His book is called who will rule the coming God's the looming spiritual crisis of artificial intelligence back in a moment Janet Mefford this is Janet Mefford for Bible league international. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

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It's all very exciting but I was considering the whole issue of idolatry and putting your faith in man.

Ultimately, instead of your faith in God.

We have so many people in our culture right now and we see this during the course of the pandemic who are absolutely unwilling to do anything but blindly follow the science but it's not the science necessarily for the following. It's the people who are advocating for whatever they're dubbing science because clearly there are rules to science. You can't just say, as Anthony found. She said I represent science and just make a declaration like that without backing it up.

Does that condition. People would you think I along with Darwinian evolution and and the worship of all if you don't believe in Darwinian evolution. You're not somebody who believes in science, which is not true from history. Christian some of the best scientists in history have been Christians does that set up the population. Though this this kind of on checked faith in science for spiritual disaster when artificial intelligence rolls out because there's so enamored with. Look how cool this is.

We've got to go down this path what your thoughts on the spiritual condition of people as they were evaluating AI. Maybe not in that they're not evaluated maybe as much as they should. When we predict what my book is about what happens is that we accept other authoritarian right and this whole schematic. I don't think it is intentionally designed that way, except maybe in some madman somewhere in sudden silence from Malcolm unreachable but nevertheless when we come to that point week we begin to try to create our own transcendence and we become subject to the authoritarian yes and that is my major concern when we were made for the transcendent, but the trench of the true transcendence of God is that which is couched in love and is couched in engagement engagement for good.

It's couched in the character of God. So when you speak of the transcendence of the machine is almost impossible to talk about the qualitative you could only talk about the quantitative.

How many gigabytes can we went there we pack it up. Despite how much information can it spit out at a given time how much, how many all of these are the issues.

Now there are some other, there's some secular writers who have begun to wake up to you ball is one up and I quote these people because they're beginning to understand. Wait a minute, there's a there's a there's a quantitative aspect of this, but what is the qualitative and what determines the qualitative issue when I know that God called me to like God calls me to relationship loving relationship with himself and others. It has a different impact on my life's but how is that programmed into machine receipt. You and I could do that because we have a spirit as well as the soul and the body and the soul is mind emotion will so to some extent, the machine will have something of a soul that will certainly help mind and will certainly have a will.

It also has a body but where is the spirit out of how does the Holy Spirit interface with the spirit of the machine. These are questions that are nickel to the future of the human race, and it strikes me as well that what human beings have is a conscience. I mean how the world do you equip a machine with a conscience go this far and no further. I guess you could program it to do this particular act and not another, but at the event. In the event that it kinda gets out of control. There's nothing raining in a machine.

Again, this is an important point you're making in your book. We are created in the image of God.

Machines are not that right there is a problem and as you said, I think very wisely when we reject the true God. We end up following other authoritarians. But the thing is about Wallace. These authoritarians don't have ultimate authority that that's where it gets down to the need of the brass tacks of the whole thing is that a scary thing there only report themselves and to the world. You have a chapter in the book called the pupil of the Valley and in that chapter I analyze the worldview that that existed in the in the valley where California where we talk about all these things coming from and in the conflict worldviews that drive the people who created change of their accountabilities is to themselves. It is for the market is the whatever whatever is allowable technologically, but what about the quality of the qualitative that aspect looks like this issue that you measured like in the beginning, which is the division of the human being over creation as opposed to the dominion of the machine.

Remember that good men you was given to Adam, the need for the fall so they want to take the nature of God, the transcendent God and he said I want you to scatter out across this world out across this place created and I want you to take that character.

I want you I want you to take that want those works in combat world, not as a mastery, not as some kind of authoritarian force or a sub our own exploitive force. I want you to take in the world as people reflecting my holy character.

That's the quantitative and qualitative and that's what's missing in all of these discussions about the looming power of artificial intelligence.

Well that's that's well said and you had mentioned before, the AI church and in you mentioned in the book about techno-religions and the likelihood that techno-religions will take a greater yell form of power over the earth which you can completely envision some of this sounds like science fiction, but were not that far off from a lot of this stuff.

What would this world look like if AI church and techno-religions really got a hold of most of the population what what then it would be a world would be based on utility utility would be grown as the highest value utility is one of the prime worldviews that I discussed what the rules about ballet Silicon Valley utilitarianism with being a religion of that. Okay. And this is really really frightening.

It would okay with the destruction of anything that did not have utility or that would lead to utility. So let's go back to the second world war adult Hitler says but what he wants to do is to bring the partner of Darwinian evolution since the strongest survive. The best thing to boot to purify the human race would be to remove any that do not add to in some way. The quantitative utility of human rights and the Jewish ways of his mind was certainly a hamper of that as well as homosexuals as well as as people who were defective in some way, as judged by social, this world would be. However, a much colder world. There was a bubbly man as he went through this process of the Nazis were bumbling as they went through this sloppy. It was very good. This utility will be so smooth it will be almost like inviting people to sacrifice themselves for the good of utility in this world and the people who will be value and exploited will be those who give themselves. If you will to this new transcendent power that defines the ultimate in ethics and the ultimate in morality that will change as well. Morality and ethics.

The boundaries will come down. Whatever adds to the pleasure of the system will be crowned as holy and righteous. It will be part of the great catechism if you will probably move H yeah it is.

You mention Hitler you look around this culture and you can see signs that people are going in this direction. Not not to do a Holocaust again, necessarily, but did this wrong thinking on utilitarianism because you look for example at somebody like Peter Singer the ethicist to just got an award and ethics award of all things.

This is a man who is advocated for the euthanasia of the disabled, the mentally ill. He is talked about the fact that it's not out of bounds for parents to exterminate their own newborns if they have disabilities in this guy's a horror show. Ideologically I is not killing people. But he keep advocate some very, very foolish things that we've seen in history before this kind of mean indifference to human life and that the value of a human life is created in the image of God.

This is what really scares me Wallace. This is really where the spiritual crisis hits because when you have people who, as you mentioned before that Einstein was a scientist with a conscience give ethicists and technological experts. Without a conscience.

They will impose their worldview as they introduce all this artificial intelligence that what's is what really seems to be the scary part here, probably a posterboard boy for that future world yeah were about utility equipment were moving that way the great discussion before the Supreme Court. About when is their viability. Yes, and the whole discussion about viability is a frightening discussion because it means the court will establish the point at which a human being is that already have some way and that's why that's why we were seeking reform and the laws about abortion but but the point is that utility will be the crowning thing.

If you can't provide utility then then you can go away. The Bible is clear, hundred and 39 that life begins at conception's life is liable, whether it's mechanically buyable or not in the eyes of God. That person existed. God is met that person in the mother's womb, and that that Judeo-Christian understanding his that has kept us going through many essentially in the Roman world.

Part of the incursion of Christianity and that worldview. It was a slaughterhouse for anyone who did not measure up to the idea that that that they held about what was viable human life.

So think of the world in which any boundaries on viability had been completely locked down anybody could be killed at any point in life as you begin to have again some set me like that more law left out more regulation.

So therefore the next leg it happens is a powerfully regulatory government that is not just seeing to it that people prosper seeing to it that people think like this and act like life according to the government. One of the things I've learned in my life, especially working in the White House for three years is that power is the fundamental temptation not because of the things we think some of the things we think all birds will bet that yielding the plow so true Wallace Hanley who will rule the coming God's name of his book.

Thank you so much. Wallace, God bless you and thanks for being with us this Janet Mefford today podcast is brought to you by pre-born for $140 you can provide ultrasounds to five women in crisis pregnancies. Call now 855601. Baby that's 855-601-2229 or visit pre-born.com Janet Mefford today and here's your host Joe Mefford. Speaking of artificial intelligence. Did you see this story over the weekend the world's first living and self replicating robots reproduce like Pac-Man know you're not watching the Syfy channel. The US scientists who created the first living robot say the lifeforms known as Zeno bots can now reproduce and in a way not seen in plants and animals.

This is according to CNN form from the stem cells of the African clawed frog zine about so these teeny little creatures less than a millimeter wide.

They were first unveiled last year after experiment showed that they could move and work together in groups and self heal. Scientists are said to be astounded by this reminds me of Jurassic Park a little bit. One of the lien. The people on this study is a computer science professor and robotics expert at the University of Vermont by the name of Josh Bongard and said it's a robot, but it's also clearly an organism made from genetically unmodified frogs sell. Bongard said they found that the Zeno bots which were initially spirit shaped and made from around 3000 cells could replicate.

But it happened rarely and only in specific circumstances but with the help of artificial intelligence. The researchers tested billions of body shapes to make the Zeno bots more effective at a different type of replication they came up with a Pac-Man type of shape they found it was able to find his tiny stem cells in a petri dish. Gather hundreds of them inside. It's about mouth and a few days later the bundle of cells became using a bots, nothing to see here folks, don't worry about artificial intelligence will be the greatest thing that ever happened to mankind. Nope it wants. This is creepy.

You know that the whole line from Jurassic Park from Jeff Goldblum and that famous scene he suggests, because you can do it doesn't mean you should. We are living proof that if you can do something there doesn't seem to be anything stopping people from going ahead and doing it because even with ethicists like Peter Singer, abounding you can understand ethics are up in smoke these days and it's just unbelievable what's going on. So keep an eye on the artificial artificial intelligence developments. Now I want to talk about the family a little bit during this segment in the next segment to because there's a lot going on. I found this article over a Christian today and it was referencing an interview with Premier Christianity. This is over in the UK there is a woman over there by the name of Jean Roseanne who is a leading campaigner and member of the Church of England's general Synod, who apparently left the government's LGBT advisory panel because of its inaction on so-called conversion therapy.

Now I have said this time blue in the face this whole phrase conversion therapy that they use over here as well is just propaganda that they try to make out anybody who wants to seek help for unwanted same-sex attraction is being exploited and abused, and then it's all just heinous behavior and people are being electrocuted in and forced to do heinous things and it's not true and it we've been through this a million times.

There were some very unfortunate bad practices taking place about 6070 years ago, nobody's doing them. Now they just want to get rid of any moral argument against homosexuality. So here comes Gino's and Andrew Williams from Christian concern, wrote this article and in this other article where Jane owes and is quoted this is just unbelievable. The question and answer was this here's the question posed to her. You have people saying my deep religious conviction is a same-sex attracted Christian is to live what they would call a celibate life and yours saying prayers in that regard are to be made illegal Gino's and says yes because it is damaging and lives are at stake. All first of all I think of the line people have joked about when they took prayer out of public schools and they said as long as there are tests there will be prayer in public schools not to make light of prayer whatsoever, but prayer is something that the school can't stop you from doing because you can pray silently, of course, but who in the world gets so totalitarian that they want to ban prayer around these people.

These people of course they want to ban prayer. The totalitarian impulse of the ages. Extremely strong and it comes out in all kinds of ways. It comes out with your cove at 19 concentration camps in Australia where there there quarantining people for COBIT 19 and hauling them often saying if you don't wear a mask here there and everywhere you can be find in the next totalitarianism of one type and we watched some of that unfold in the United States in different ways but here we are.

Jean Roseanne leading campaigner member of the Church of England's general Synod saying she wants prayer for same-sex attracted Christian so-called to be banned because it's damaging I don't I don't think that's gonna work and Andrea says we have here the totalitarian aims of those wanting a ban on conversion therapy or in Roseanne's words conversion practices.

They want to ban the most basic pressure free sort of pastoral help for people who want to honor God with their sexuality. What are conversion practices conversion therapy is Andrew points out itself in inaccurate and unhelpful phrase invented by big gay activists is now being broadened and redefined in the UK debate as conversion practices and this term covers everything from corrective rape to consensual prayer for sexual faithfulness can pray for somebody to be faithful to the Lord, you know, and there's a point at which you say we will obey God and not man this is that time to some of us, she adds. This move was obvious for some time there were no genuinely harmful practices taking place aimed at changing people sexuality. These practices were either not practiced or were already clearly illegal and same here and she goes on to describe Roseanne a little bit more going to even further extremes in this interview she claims that abstinence is damaging for same size as a same-sex attracted Christians and prayers with that goal should be banned in law K. She also considers consent irrelevant to the conversation, which is no surprise, given that virtually every public testimony against conversion therapy is from someone who intentionally sought help and therefore consented to therapy at the time but has since decided to embrace an LGBT Q lifestyle now.

That's about right.

So where is this all headed the sexual liberation of the church and the Church of England has been off the rails for a while on the rainbow flag stuff they've been off the rails for the firm for a long time. What concerns me is I'm reading a story like this is it just seems like everything starts over there and and we always end up imitating it and and it's just disgusting to to watch the twisting and of Scripture and in is just so blasphemous. It's not like you can get around what God's word says about male and female. It's not like you can get around the passages on homosexuality and God saying it's an abomination you can be mad at God for saying that but you can't get mad at somebody for quoting the Bible. I mean you can get mad at summary for quoting the Bible.

But there it is and and the onus is on human being submitting to the authority of God's word and believing his Word as written because it comes from him.

He is the word how the world can you start making up new sins or or going against ways of being obedient to the Lord that are clearly outlined in Scripture because it's not about the Bible it's Bible free Christianity. It's about being culturally Orthodox, not biblically Orthodox. So where is it heading the sexual liberation of the church and the same stuff as you know is going on in the United States and it's going on in evangelicalism and we know a big door was open with the re-voice conference back in 2018. Here's another quick little item for prayer. There's another story.

At the same site about Rev. Dr. to Hana podge Ola who is the Evangelical Lutheran Bishop in Finland. He's going on trial next month for expressing traditional Christian teaching on human sexuality.

This is what it's coming to. He faces most likely according to this interview. A fine hefty fine.

But he also could face two years in jail for teaching what the Bible says about sexuality in April. He was charged along with another Christian Democrat MP by the name of Dr. Pahlavi Ross and end with incitement against a group of people over the 2004 publication of a booklet describing sex outside of heterosexual marriage including homosexual practice is sinful, so there resting pastors and bishops in Finland for teaching the Bible and threatening them with jail and there's a whole interview that this guy does talking about it and saying listen Christians you must be ready to pay the price for your beliefs. Again, what week this is not the first time we have brought this up, but I've always believe that the smartest thing you can do as a Christian is extrapolate out into the future. What could potentially be reality in a year or two or five or 10 years to make up your mind now to obey the Lord now.

Now when the pressure hits, but before the pressure hits, and that's what we almost do for you to come back in chain of effort today hi this is Janet Mefford for pre-born Candace talks about finding out she was pregnant. Thankfully, an ultrasound provided by pre-born allowed her to hear her baby's heartbeat sonogram sealed the deal for me baby was like this tiny little spectrum of hope, size, heart beating on the screen and knowing that there's life growing inside me sonogram changed my life went from just Candace to mom thinking everybody that is given these gifts, you guys are giving more than money.

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These words written early in John's Gospel remind us in this Advent season that God sent his son to be our Lord and Savior that many Christians in Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East have never read those words or the Christmas story in Luke two why because they have no access to the Bible.

So in this season of giving. Please join by the league in sending God's word to Bible as believers around the world for only five dollars, $50 for 10 Bibles $500 for 100 call 801 ESW ORD. That's 800 yes word or there's a Bible league banner and Janet Mefford.com seen people being changed description for this to conform. Yes, somebody's in this gift you can give somebody that's 800 YDS W ORT or there's a banner to cling Janet Mefford.com you're listening to it Mefford today. There's another shocking headline this one from the daily mail just 18% of US households are nuclear families with a married couple and children, which is down from 40% since is down 40% since the 1970s and the lowest number since 1959. It's crazy. Here's the story.

The number of homes in America with the traditional nuclear family of a married couple with children is now at this lowest number in many many years over 50 years, the Census Bureau's count showed that 17.8% of the US is 130 million households featured Mary parents with children under the age of 18. That's only down from 18.6% last year, but much more significantly from over 40% in 1970. It's crazy.

There's currently just 23.1 million American homes with those nuclear families. The reasons given the pandemic delays marriage. There's a continued decline in the birthrates. I mean you can listen to all of these things, but we know there's so many other factors that are influencing these numbers.

The average age of the woman at her first marriage is now 28.6 years.

Back in the 50s and 60s.

Women typically married at 20.4 years old.

The average age for men to marry for the first time in 2021 was 30.4 years old I would say part of the big big problem here for a lot of people in their 20s and early 30s is how do you support yourself. The cost of living is now look at the inflation rate.

What is it eyeglass in price.

I was about 6.4% when you have all of the taxes you have to pay when you have all of the things that you have to buy in terms of just being able to live, you either have to rent an apartment or have a house and then you have to have a car, probably two cars. If you have a married couple you and granted you can always cut back, you know, you think of previous generations who had weigh less than our generation has and it's possible to live on a lot less than most of us do for sure, but it's expensive. It's very expensive and you have if you have kids, I don't have to tell you this. It's very expensive if you ever want them to go to college if you want them to be able to work at 16, that's fantastic, but way if you have more than 234 kids now you're really talking about a very big expense and for a lot of people that's hard. A lot of these younger people are coming out of college with a ton of debt.

So how in the world you get ahead when you're coming out of college with a ton of debt will be perpetually behind and I just don't know when this whole thing explodes. But I'll tell you the whole country suffers from this, the whole country suffers from this when you can't have's man earning a living wage and the mom can stay home with the kids like it used to be.

You can't do that anymore. In many places not easily anyway. And that's a tragedy for the whole country because if you don't have strong families. You never country for a long time a strong country anyway. Country falls apart look at the drug problems look at the problems in the schools. The problem with violence. The problems with no truancy. The priming going go down the list with abortions and Lena living together and all the stuff and by the way those numbers not just to people living together outside of marriage, but also people living alone, those numbers keep going up and the numbers of married couples keeps going down.

It's only 50% now 50% over 37 million adults lived alone in early 2021.

And that's up from 33,000,010 years ago, and as far back as 1960, 87% of adults left with a spouse, you know, I don't think that no-fault divorce idea was such a good idea. Back in the day. I don't think the sexual revolution has given us anything but total chaos and destruction of the family and the kids are the ones who pay the price the most.

Here's another study, this is interesting from 10 gag line over at the Federalist. There's another study out finding single Americans want to get married, but don't like their prospects.

The number one reason cited by singles for not getting married in this study was what they perceive to be the difficulty in finding the right person to marry. Very interesting. This is a study by the Institute for family studies in the Wheatley institutes wire singles choosing not to get married and becoming more isolated. This is what he writes. While many assume that lack of money or having a stable job in today's economic uncertainty would be the main reasons people are choosing not to get married, they would be erroneous. In doing so. Instead, the number one reason cited by singles for not getting married was what they perceive to be the difficulty in finding the right person to marry, regardless of income, a vast majority of singles who desire marriage want their future spouse to be responsible emotionally stable and share the same values about having and raising children, he says, I would agree. These are the traits one should be looking for in a future spouse and marrying someone who is not responsible or who is emotionally unstable or are on the same page regarding parenting not on the same page as far as parenting. He wrote it wrong. It's a recipe for marital disaster clearly but unfortunately with the societal breakdown of the family and the lack of marital and parental role models available to young people today, many singles are finding potential spouses with these traits harder to find.

See it affects everybody, even the singles who are ready to get married. Now they're saying okay why can't I you know a young girl looking at a young guy going this guys completely. You know he has no work ethic.

He doesn't want to really take on the responsibility of a job he rather just sit around or play video games.

I don't want that guy in it. Who can blame her and vice versa.

If you have men looking at women who are just a train wreck. They want to get married to someone who's not an act like an adult. Again, you can talk about the juvenile is Asian of America.

That's a whole another topic, but that's where these things come into play.

These role models guidelines as are found in churches, strong families, and community organizations, and without them, which provide the nurturing environment. Producing healthy responsible and stable adults, young men and women are finding it more difficult to find a suitable lifelong mates and he makes the same points without strong families.

It is difficult to find strong and secure adults. It is these institutions that promote the common good. Hate that phrase but I know what he means, and personal responsibility.

The very traits that most singles say they are looking for in a spouse. This is borne out by the second most cited reason for not getting married, not being ready for commitments.

Be ready for commitment of which the percentage of men and women are nearly the same 34% of men and 32% of women fear of commitment off and is the result of experiencing broken relationships with the mom or dad at some time in your development or the lack of a loving, supportive community.

In fact, 19% of both men and women surveyed said that fear of divorce was a primary reason they remained unmarried.

Thus, the singles want to be married and make a lifelong commitment to a relationship, but they are scared off out of fear that it might not last as they have seen played out too many times in our society even in their own families so it might not be the fear of getting married. But the fear of making the wrong decision in choosing a lifelong mate that is keeping people from getting married and as a result, they become emotionally paralyzed about relationships. He says when I talk with singles or with friends who are single for longer than they really wanted to be. That's the message that always seems to come through the delay in getting married or not getting married at all.

Also has profound consequences for society. The longer marriages delayed, the less likely cup likely couples are to have multiple children or any children at all. There's a decline in the birth rate. The result will be an increasingly aging society that doesn't have enough young taxpayers to support the entitlements of a rapidly growing older population, and this is a scenario for economic disaster for everybody.

And finally, and I'm glad he brings this point into it. Marriage is a stabilizing force for men for women and for children.

As the survey points found the number one trait people look for in a spouse is responsibility when two people get married. Their focus hopefully becomes on one another and the children they produce, rather than on themselves. Self gratification fades away as one sees beyond their own wants and instead concentrates on the needs of others and for these reasons, it is essential we encourage and strengthen the very institutions that will produce healthy young adults will become responsible spouses and parents.

Institutions like the church and the family and community organizations. As Maggie Gallagher has written something about marriage as a social institution. A shared aspiration in a public legal file gives wedlock the power to change individuals lives by creating healthy environments that encourage marriage singles can form stable lifelong relationships and with that stability, strengthen our society. In the short and long-term as well. You know what I say you are trotting out of these older couples who have made it through 50 years or 60 years or 70 years of marriage. Sometimes you will see these stories in the press about these wonderful couples and people are amazed and that didn't used to be that uncommon, but nowadays people flip out if you're married, 20 and 20 years you made it 20 years won't write if you have something that is guiding you in your marriage that is going to last longer than a Polaroid photo take some pain you're going to find that it's an amazing experience and a very blessed experience to be married and to have a family. One of the greatest blessings of my life. My husband and my kids I love them so much. My life would be nothing without them you got. Hang in there, though you got understand how God created marriage in the picture that marriages of Christ and his church. It really is the truth and more people need to hear.

Thank you for being with us on Janet Mefford today will see next time


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