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December 3, 2021 4:30 am

How did the hysteria over COVID-19 take over our government, our rights and our lives? Former New York Times Alex Berenson joins me to talk about it and his new book, "Pandemia." Plus: Did this week's oral arguments in the Mississippi abortion case convince the Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe v. Wade? We'll talk about that and more on the next JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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This Janet Mefford today podcast is brought to you by pre-born for $140 you can provide ultrasounds to five women in crisis pregnancies. Call now 855601. Baby that's 855-601-2229 or visit in reference to our confidence is in Christ alone, I sort of know gave us that infamous Imperial College model at the start of the code 19 pandemic warning that 500,000 people in the UK would die without a nationwide lockdown and then he amended that to say the death toll was unlikely to exceed 20,000.

This from a man who had already wrongly projected deaths from mad cow disease, bird flu and swine flu.

He ended up resigning from the British governments virus advisory board that change by Ferguson help my next guest author and former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson emerges an important online source for research and facts on the pandemic.

He was later permanently suspended from twitter for saying that the vaccine doesn't stop infection or transmission of the virus.

Even though that's true. And here's where we are now the government and media are hyping the new and reportedly mild Oma crown variance but meanwhile just days ago under court order, the FDA released the first round of documents reviewed before licensing the Pfizer vaccine when I one of those documents is a cumulative analysis of post-authorization adverse event reports through February 28, which is two and half months after it granted the emergency use, authorization, and according to the attorney involved in the case that document shows. Pfizer received more than 42,000 reports containing more than 158,000 events, mostly from America and the reported adverse events disproportionately involved women, 26,000 of these events classified as nervous system disorders.

This all shows we need the truth about everything concerning this pandemic and Alex Berenson is out with a new book talking all about it. The book is called pandemic how coronavirus hysteria took over our government rights and lives and it is wonderful to talk to Alex. Thank you so much for being here.

Thank you. Curious.

First of all to get your take on these new documents the FDA a lot of people know initially wanted 55 years to review its data before giving and out to the public. What is your response to this news about these reported adverse events and the bulking of the FDA on being transparent about it. While I may have a regular (read what way or another. Toward gaining media boardgames traction across the Internet and the media goes viral because the state is essentially been publicly available on graders euro federal vaccine side effects reported for all or soon funeral for Bob Muir because Carter had report with theater troopers were became publicly available so so beautifully. Will there were 1200.

There you know from the Pfizer vaccine better. But you know that the FDA knew about what goes therefore on graders don't know that all those gifts were caused by the cost but actually we notably occurred after the administration of the backseat, but I think you I think what happened there so interesting to see what people are much more suspicious about the backseat and they were eight or nine months ago, reasonably so, because what do you see it with the promise of heaven come true what they were told in the winter and spring was vaccine walk and you know you will get your shot.

You may not want to and you might have some side effects that might not be that pleasant for a couple days but we all do our part and roll up our sleeves.

This will be over. That was a search would be for promise made and I can find. Your statements are statements impaired. People made like that and that has proven not to be the case. So now that they know that the efficacy is not what was promised. There we considering the general dangers of the general risk benefit of the start so these FDA documents or fall into spot, and there's a lot that we don't know, but you're talking about bears and what is the ratio of events that are reported to his heirs versus the known quantity of potential adverse events. I mean, that probably is a number we can't really get a handle on. But what is the that the basic perception of how accurate vers is to get a real handle on who's been injured or or died because of the vaccine. We really don't know that there's a number that you never like to say, with only 1% of events are reported not clear that that's true. Clearly, there are significant underreporting of what I would say is that for pursuit of mild events that everybody knows are related to the vaccine.

Anyway there's going to shoot your group for you if you get laid up with a fever for a couple days after the theft of not getting reported. If it's a really serious event that is, you know, the clearly unusual doctors are coming more likely to report that.

But even so, it's clear that there are significant underreporting and the reason we know that because on occasion. The health authorities will then say to people could doctors that is you have to report all the we want you to you to look specifically for that and when that happened the register slowly so my best guess is that person really serious side effect somewhere between 10 and 50% of the events reported and for lesser stalkers left very interesting to know when you made the remark and II know you would actually talked about the vaccine quite a bit because I was following you on twitter to the whole pandemic.

But when you talked about the efficacy of the vaccine and whether or not it's really a vaccine. I thought that was a great point because you talked about that a while ago as well. The fact that it in your view, if I'm saying it correctly. The mRNA vaccine really behaves in many ways like a therapeutic.

What like a Tamiflu would behave on the flu to you know shorten the duration of the symptoms that sort of thing, but in insane what you said that it did the Cova 19 vaccine does not stop infection it doesn't stop transmission you got put out to pasture by twitter, but it isn't that true.

I mean, that's just a flat out fact is it not out. Third 400 Prime Minister Warner started your I don't know anybody who disagrees right now. I do not. I think you know that the vaccine advocate of selecting fanatics are sometimes called. You know what they now say is well. We never promised that this would really stop a pandemic which is not true. I get theirs and they say no, we still are pretty sure it's very good at stopping and in order to show you some numbers that make that appear to be true. Now I am this is a complicated statistical argument that I don't I don't really want to get into the weeds on but it's very very hard to make those comparisons because unless you know exactly who's been vaccinated, and unless you know that the people who've been vaccinated of the people haven't been back exactly the same as the population. I don't just mean HIV to terms of underlying sickness.

You can't really make those comparisons in a meaningful way that what people don't understand is the United States and elsewhere elderly people who haven't been vaccinated. A significant number of them are probably in hospice or otherwise to help to be back in so they are a great list from Colbert to losing very hard when you when you order those numbers understand that that is what they're not telling that there's this group of people who work with Dorrie figure Colbert and a lot of those people are not vaccinated because I can't yes now now when you're talking about this issue.

I think it's really important for people to understand how rare you are in terms of a reporter trying to I think you call yourself an outside reporter in the in the course of a box you're interested in facts you're interested in what's true, which is what all reporters have been trained to do, myself included. When I was a reporter. This is how it goes. What kind of reaction though. Have you received from some of your colleagues people at the New York Times because it blows my mind to think how quickly they would be on this data is present and Trump were still the president that is true and you know for that reason, I did vote in the book article Geodon help cordial but I wish Donald because in that case, the news media would be doing a job and no single unit is almost shocking to me how much my former colleagues have turned against including people who know personally what we hope reporter I am and what you know what the stories argue that the New York Times would like to have so stunning to me. I know somebody said to me a few months ago. The are you do you have some back channel in the paper or other journals or top user is where people are telling you we really support you but we can't talk about it.

I told him the truth. I could not really know there's very few people those organizations who support me even privately. As far as I know, and that is unlike the scientific okay I hear from a lot of scientist and doctors who work and they feed the papers and they tell me this is what you to look at those people know the truth and they wanted out is not. It's incredible working to take a break will be back without experiencing pin. Jenny is his book stay with us. This is Janet Mefford for Bible league international. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. These words written early in John's Gospel remind us in this Advent season that God sent his son to be our Lord and Savior that many Christians in Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East have never read those words or the Christmas story in Luke two why because they have no access to the Bible. So in this season of giving. Please join by the league in sending God's word to Bible as believers around the world for only five dollars or $50 for 10 Bibles $500 for 100 call 801 ESW ORD. That's 800 yes word or there's a Bible league banner and Janet seen people being changed to foreign yes somebody's in this gift you can give somebody that's 801 IES WO RT or there's a banner to cling Janet over the past several weeks I've been thrilled to see so many of you step up to rescue over 75 families to the ministry of hard for Lebanon. Thank you for providing survival essentials, but most importantly were grateful that you've help share the hope of the gospel with hurting refugee and poverty-stricken Lebanese families. If you didn't get a chance to participate. Please know the need in Lebanon remains urgent.

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I don't know anything else it compares to what we will hold back school with what we century forced hundreds of millions now know you know, how about a billion people to take this on. No basically Russian vaccine and where we were.

We get close schools. We we know we did a lot of economic harm. We you know we we we you looking for mental health levels of mental health Bureau statistics and when you survey people that their mental health that's been hurt. There's been a baby Boston. This has been a terrible episode.

You know, by governments and public health still going on and it's not clear that anything we do.

Did anything to stop the spread of this part.

Yeah, you're right on the money. And you know when you look back to that Imperial College model that was such a bust. This is this is a guy nobody should've listened to in the first place. Neil Ferguson I get this guy had no credibility to begin with. Why did everybody go and jump on his recommendations to begin with. When he had such a bad track record already and everybody knew about it many times I believe warns of incompetence and bureaucratic financial then you know that there's three people getting together and running the world, but if you look at the last 20 years there was a group of people very well be talking about the risk of an emerging infectious disease called and and a lot of people had a financial cut employee Neil Ferguson. I know they set up these coordinating centers like the one Ferguson ran all these horrible predictions will those predictions didn't come true didn't come true. They didn't come from and then all of a sudden this virus comes out of China and looks very much like it's been manipulated in a lab and you probably weaved out of the lab and always people all of a sudden have the virus they been waiting for the cold and they been planning for and they couldn't wait to shut the world like. Like there to build.

That's crazy.

So he kinda gave them cover that well you know we've got this recommendation, we better follow it.

That's right, he provided the academic culvert.

I know he's very yet he's usually leaders forgot God knows our communities talking about but only if you been paying attention to anything good he's gone on with the last 15 years what you asserted any rate we should listen to this guy writes that's me and that's just maddening. What about slouchy. I gotta get this out to you before I run out of time because here's this man now declaring I represent science and that's why people are so critical of me, but you're just criticizing science. This is a guy who is now caught lying lying to Congress about the gain of function research issue and the funding of the Wuhan Institute of virology. What you make of this man and what ought to be followed up on it in terms of accountability with him while I'm alive. Their new no I don't. I don't know whether or not you broke the law criminally, but I certainly do know that people subpoena power need to NIH and figure out what he really knew in those first few days about the virus and why it is that he and others were top brought you some fresh specialist did everything possible could downplay the possibility of a lamp.

We are awake. They were talking about how the bars had been teachers but did not look natural. That certainly needs to be executed, but there's a broader point. I know for sure when I have science get some sort. Okay here is asserted to first of all, it's a complete misunderstanding what I am suits right time. I have a theory about how X works or why work. I want to experiment to see if it's true, and if an experiment so that I think it's great. I move forward with like. If you don't I go back and I look to see how I continue to hopefully other people will then be able to reproduce my experiment and together we move forward towards you know towards figuring out whether that theory is true or false. So if Anthony slouchy as usual the world, but there's an even more fundamental misunderstanding and I and this is the analogy I always use because if so, when we developed the atomic bomb that was a great scientific achievement right it was it was thousands and thousands of men and women working you know to to make this thing up on the power that the humanity had never seen before and you know incredible incredible breakthroughs in science and technology, but Robert Oppenheimer, who led the effort didn't get to decide whether to drop the ball.

Truman decided whether to drop the ball. The scientist can say here's what we think might happen if you do X or Y here are the risks to leaving the schools open here. The risk of closing, but it is also as a society who are elected leaders who have to make those decisions is not often Anthony slouchy and that was forgot that the very beginning of this and it still seems to been forgotten. A lot of people you're right that he's the top paid bureaucrat and the federal government. He's not God.

He doesn't get to decide what the American people have to do because he represent science that such a good point and going back to the whole broader issue of the response that the United States was involved in. In other countries have gone even further than we have. You point out that all these over-the-top responses are not necessarily because they made sense, but because we could do them and the 24 seven the Internet. All of these things kinda combined to spur this on. But how does it stop.

How does it end, and you don't and a lot of United States were certainly a lot of red red counties, and people are just not paying much and you see the federal judges who last year were not willing to stand up to these overbroad lockdown are now spending up there very very big realize that they can't let that you're the confidence people set last year and this year to the Constitution doesn't go away for a virus that kills three out of every thousand people in it and so the judiciary has a role. I think we are spinning up. I think the situation correctly is more perilous in Europe, which is you know there for whatever reason, they have more of a more distinguished tradition and they are going back to lockdown. I don't see that happening in the United States unless something really terrible happens but you know it's hard to imagine it's hard to imagine that the Omaha environment, variance or any of the other changed a little calculation here yet. Do you have any concerns about some of these reports about digital passports for the world and some of these even these corporations like miter working on this whole idea of digital passport. Smart health cards what you know or what can you tell us about how this is emerging down the road and and kinda getting into the whole issue of the surveillance state based on your health and your do you think that's really going to come to fruition I'm doing.

I'm going to come to Florida.

I certainly hope God. What I know this is not hard to worry about. Certainly mainly about vaccines right now all I know is that you know that there are companies that want to do this bomb there certain sort of general corporate forward thinking government bureaucrats would like and there might be money to be in it and so whatever the other possibility. It certainly doesn't seem like this is something that the United States is particularly interested in right now, but again, you do see more of in Europe.

You see, you know there's been a move towards your vaccine passports with a QR code that they they have moved further in this direction we Write what you think.

Ultimately the lesson is from the pandemic.

So far the response to the pandemic. The hysteria is you rightly note what you think the lesson is for Americans maintaining liberty and not being willing to turn over all of their rights in all of their freedoms to a government that just seizes an opportunity like this to our process in many ways what what have we learned that lesson and if if so, do you think that that would prevent anything like this from happening again. You know your make categorical statements right because it did happen pretty quickly in a matter of weeks.

Last year, and in your if another super flu turns up, or whatever. And people get frightened again. Who knows what they will do or don't. I mean, I do think the lesson is that the founders right now your I think it was Jefferson. I know that the Lord your I guess was Benjamin Franklin should get out if you're willing to give up safely for liberty for safety want to give up liberty for safety. You wind up with new and and and he was right and you know the people who put our Constitution together and and tried to make sure that the that the federal government. States will balance think they did it right too much government is no one's friend, absolutely. Well it's a great book, Pantani and by Alex Berenson. Keep up the good work. You can check out Alex Berenson as well. Thank you so much Alex really appreciate you being here you that take care will be back to stay with us is Janet Mefford today podcast is brought to you by pre-born for $140 you can provide ultrasounds to five women in crisis pregnancies. Call now 855601. Baby that's 855-601-2229 or visit Janet Mefford today and here's your host Joe Mefford. Well, as we know anything could ultimately happen with this Dobbs case before the Supreme Court oral arguments Wednesday and I wanted to follow up a little bit on what took place. I think it's just beyond belief that you have many, many people opining that Roe V Wade could be history. After the arguments that were made before the Supreme Court part of the reason for that is because that was exactly what the Missouri app with that was exactly what the Mississippi guy was arguing for when he was standing before the justices. I'm to get into more details on that. But you can always count on the left to go completely berserk when abortion is involved. I don't know how dark your soul has to be to say some of the things that some of these people said, but it really is a stark contrast, one of the things pointed out by some folks over at National review, Dan McLaughlin, I think, in particular, who wrote a really good synopsis that I'm to get to was that neither side was trying to say let's find a compromise it out one side. Don't you dare touch Roe and the other side. Roe needs to go and Roe does need to go. It was poorly argued.

It's a terrible terrible decision. People have been saying this for decades now the consequences of that decision are beyond belief. It's multiple holocausts when you consider all of the lives lost over the course of the legalization of abortion. It's just beyond belief that that was ever decided in the first place. Not to mention the fact that there was a lot of emphasis on the fact that there is no abortion in the Constitution we have known this for 48 years. It's incredible that it takes us this long to get to the point where might you know you have a pretty sizable amount of people in the United States finally saying hey wait a minute you know what I have to say, just as a side note a few years ago I you might remember I had interviewed Joe Scheidler from pro-life action Lake and that man is one of the most he's now he's now deceased but that man has done more for the pro-life movement than anybody else because he was the first he was the first in Chicago, I had the opportunity at one point to join in some of the activities of pro-life action like a wonderful group they are in the city of Chicago and I just am so sad that he's not here to watch this unfold.

I said this earlier today I said what happens if Roe is overturned when Joe Scheidler is in here to see it. I tell you it's the people who were on the ground floor of being right and were alone in being right for years and years and years and years that are sometimes forgotten. When you finally get to the point of reaching the goal that they saw needed to be reached way before anybody else. So anyway racketeer for life is the name of his book if you want to could re-go back and read that it's he's just very much on my mind as we are hoping and praying for and overturning of Roe V Wade, so let's go to some of these insane leftist Whoopi Goldberg I'm not in a play. What she said on the view.

She's just not not that now the people are nuts whose quotes I am going to play for you, but Whoopi Goldberg chastising men. How do you know a fetus wants to live. Are you a woman are you what we hey wait a minute you can get all those transgender activists worked up there will be. Are you really making some kind of distinction between men and women because that's not what your side does anymore. But let's turn to a very reliable voice of insanity joy. Read over at MSNBC. She had on one of her guests. At least Ellie Ms. Stahl another not the nation, correspondence, and frequent guest over there on MSNBC. This was some of the audio from their naughty take on the Dobbs oral arguments listen to, one of the 166 million women living in America. It appears that the conservative majority on the Supreme Court is willing to reduce you to a secondary constitutional citizen by decreeing the control over your very person.

Your whole body belongs to you to your state. A fetus a fetus was pre-viability.

It cannot exist outside of its mother cannot live outside of all the wounds as the same should have the same legal rights as black people in this country and of the fact that it does. It is some kind of miscarriage of justice. No part in people should have the full rights are the women who are carrying disputes now I can prove that the US is not deserving of old personal rights because if it were, they would be arguing that the fetus should be given citizenship. It will be arguing the fetus should have all the rights, life rights education rights THAT are only concerned about the right of appeal is that right to use the dish. The rights of women so stupid where you even begin with this. I just think that we start at the beginning to I read when a woman is pregnant the life living inside her womb. I can attest to you from personal experience is not the woman's body. It's someone else's body. It's her son's body or its her daughter's body do the chromosome count on.

It's not your physical body you are carrying the bait and it is so basic again.

I really have to go over this.

I thought it was also interesting that Ms. Stahl makes reference to the babies mother is interesting only human beings or animals have mother's right animals or human beings. If you're referencing a baby in the womb.

Even if you try to dehumanize it by reducing that baby to being called a fetus. When you use the term its mother. You are giving it humanity you know you not giving it humanity you not getting him or her humanity you're recognizing his or her humanity and by the way when you're referencing the issue of black people. You might want to check the abortion rate in the black community, because if you really had your moral head on straight. You would be screaming and yelling at the genocide the infanticide of an entire generation of black Americans. It's it's it's the most racist thing ever. And these people never get on board because they can't not thinking straight.

They just follow lock stop lockstep after any progressive narrative and they don't want to move away from that, even when they sound foolish as they look at look at some of the Proverbs on what it means to be a fool and then think of those as you're listening to some of this while they enjoy read continued her rant here. This is my news busters turning to Congresswoman Ayanna Presley's wonderful voice talking more about this issue and going after.

Of course Clarence Thomas and Brett Cavanaugh because that's so relevant. Listen to cut to listening today for me. Congresswoman took two men Clarence Thomas and Brett Cavanaugh who were credibly accused of violating the sanctity of women you know both of them got away with it.

Of course, and got on the court, but having them so to stand up and sort of soberly argue whether or not women are owned by the state may feel some kind of way defense of their 15 week abortion law makes a case that's just bizarre different than they were back in the 70s" doctrine is acceptable in a widescale limited table professional success in a rich family life like for poor women rape victims to bring fetus is determining can they not just leave the babies on the doorstep of the firehouse and get back to the office. All right, let's let's take this in reverse order. What she was quoting there when she said abortion is acceptable. That wasn't what it said it was. Not referencing the print on the screen either. It said abortion is accessible not acceptable. So, she even misquoted her own graphic but this idea that Clarence Thomas and Brett Cavanaugh were credibly accused of violating the sanctity of women. Where's your proof of that again because I remember sitting through all of the Anita Hill nonsense and I recall all of the insanity surrounding Brett Cavanaugh's confirmation process and what the way, what ever happened to his accusers.

They just they just kind of disappeared into thin air. Kinda like a lot of the black lives matter, activists, and some of the other people who were rioting in the streets and were constantly on TV all during the pandemic was gone. Proof into thin air there back in their apartments there back in their homes. They were called off.

Now the rioting diluting the screaming, the yelling, the non-masking all of it was gone. It's amazing isn't how things just kinda disappear were progressives of our concerns, but women being owned by the state is not the point whatsoever, and it really beggars belief that you have to even respond to this whole thing. It's not that women are owned by the state they're making the argument that it really is up to the legislatures in order to follow scientific discoveries and studies that have been done since 1973, which are proving more and more the humanity of the unborn child whose life begins at conception and viability has nothing to do with it. You are a human being knit together in your mother's womb from the day of conception they can't do anything about that will stay with us mother's womb has now become the un-Safest Pl. in America with abortion being the leading cause of death and babies being aborted up to term. In some states I was afraid I was skiing. I know what to do every byline we have a question. Pre-born is the largest provider of free ultrasounds in the country, helping moms choose life. You see, when a mom in crisis sees her baby on ultrasound and here's the heartbeat she's 80% more likely to choose life for her baby and I was like wow, something inside of me is a beautiful thing he would you join with pre-born and Janet Mefford today and help save 400 babies by the end of this year for $140 you can sponsor five ultrasounds and now through match your tax-deductible gift is doubled saving 10 babies lives to donate, dial 855402, baby. That's 855-402-2229 or there's a banner to click Janet this is Janet Mefford for Bible league international. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

These words written early in John's Gospel remind us in this Advent season that God sent his son to be our Lord and Savior that many Christians in Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East have never read those words or the Christmas story in Luke two why because they have no access to the Bible. So in this season of giving. Please join by the league in sending God's word to Bible as believers around the world for only five dollars or $50 for 10 Bibles $500 for 100 call 801 ESW ORD. That's 800 yes word or there's a Bible league banner and Janet seen people changed description for this to foreign yes somebody's somebody that's 800. Why ask WO RT or there's a banner to click Janet you're listening to you today you must pay a little bit more of the unhinged leftist audio from MSNBC. I got to get to this because when you are looking at the Dobbs case and how the left is reacting to the Dobbs case, you have to cautiously optimistically hope and pray that the reason they're getting so insane is because they know it's coming or fear what's coming. In fact, it was a wonderful day in the courtroom as many people have talked about when you had so many justices were really sounding like Roe is on thin ice, and praise the Lord.

If that's the case, and I think actually Mark Crutcher said something so smart as he always does. This is the president of life dynamics was on my show a couple of days ago and he was saying.

I think what they want to do it because of sick of abortion is take abortion out of the Supreme Court's hands once and for all, so they don't have to deal with it anymore and send it back to the legislative legislatures in order to be free of having to confront this over and over and over again, so hopefully we'll get that and somebody had made the remark, which I thought was very well said.

Aren't you glad this was on social media.

Aren't you glad that all of those Neanderthal mouth breathing conservative voters didn't listen to people like David French and people like the Gospel coalition when the election what is taking place in 2016 and didn't listen to their warnings about what an evil, evil man, Donald Trump was.

They looked at the issue of the Supreme Court matters and that was a very big issue for people in 2016 were about to find out just how great the Supreme Court issue is going to matter to this country when the Dobbs decision comes down in a few months from now.

At any rate, let's go over to MSNBC. This is again from news busters the failed New York City mayoral candidate Maia Wiley claimed that it was obvious Mississippi's abortion law is bad and unconstitutional simply because it is Mississippi. This is country fundamentally when you hear this argument that Mrs. Mrs. does state that foxhole integration the state that has so long fought against all the right fundamental rights of other groups of people is actually saying you know what history will lie history, no matter how sexist, no matter how racist, no matter how divisive in deciding whether or not this precedent should stand here in Justice Alito say why what did courts do. In 1864, 1864, one as a black woman. I certainly hope that is not our historical litmus test about how we protect our rights today. Boy where to even begin with. This is kind of funny in a little bit ironic more than a little bit if you're referencing the unfortunate history and the terrible history of segregation and racism. You might want to take the opportunity to fight for the marginalized. Here is a marginalized, here are the unborn children who are being murdered by the millions.

What are those people matter is somebody wants that I think was Reagan who initially said you know the only people who are fighting for abortion are those who have already been born still remains true then. Wiley claims that Justice Cavanaugh's argument that voters and legislature should decide the issue of abortion is just like voter suppression and proved the more a person says the word literally the less literal they are. Mrs. cut for and to Neil's point about a Justice Cavanaugh sank left, the legislators sorted out because I heard that loud and clear that his leaning is to say let's leave it up to the states. This is the same Supreme Court that has literally open the floodgates voter suppression after literally spending 100 years of fighting to gain fair access to the ballots and so much voter suppression happening across the country. But now were supposed to leave it up to legislators that are actively working. Because of this Supreme Court's recent precedent coming out of South Carolina former Confederacy to say and go back to your old ways make it harder for people to actually vote this is the reality of America today and this is the grounded and experiential reality. It is being ignored in the and so much of the arguments that we heard you saying literally multiple times and flat out lying about what's going on concerning modern day voting is not can get you very far. If your viewers are informed, but then again we are talking about MSNBC. It's good to be very interesting to see how this all shakes out out Pres. Biden says he supports abortions up to birth. He said I support Roe V Wade. It's a rational position to take right. You also think it's rational to force masks on everybody on airplanes, even though it's not necessary and doesn't do anything to stop Cova 19 so will take what your thoughts are as a gringo with a grain of salt. Nancy Pelosi says the Supreme Court will lose legitimacy if it overturns Roe V Wade has nothing to do with it.

National review has a good piece here justices show supreme skepticism of row and here's what they said.

The Supreme Court in hearing these arguments, of course, will be deciding the fate of Mississippi's ban on abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy and the fate of Roe is in the balance, which is really really good. Now we have to see if the justices have the fortitude to do the right thing and end of 48 years of judicial usurpation and restore the primacy of the Constitution. The lawyers for the abortion clinic and for the Biden administration insisted on this all or nothing outcome giving the court no alternative path to uphold the Mississippi law without overruling Roe and that's what I was referencing earlier that's a really important thing is all or nothing on both sides and in a way that's wonderful because I don't know about you but is a pro-life Christian I have been tired of the overemphasis on incrementalism for all of these years and it's good it's good go go for the whole thing overturn Roe get rid of it now is. Many people have pointed out, if it goes back to the legislatures. Then you will have states like California states like Oregon states like Washington states like Illinois, continuing to have legalized abortion because we know at least with the present makeup of their legislatures.

There is can be total insanity route regarding pro-abortion positions that will continue to govern those states, but there will be tons of states that no doubt will outlaw it and that's gonna be a wonderful thing.

It's not a wonderful thing that abortion would still be legal in the states, but at least were returning to some semblance of order when it comes to who gets to decide. I think what's can be very interesting. Is this during the course of these oral arguments. There were references made to will what about some of these other cases because they were really getting into the nuts and bolts of you know that the binding precedent and how that informs what the court ought to do. How much do you really look back to binding precedent and can you get rid of something just because it's wrong. Am.

This is kind of funny because then you had the Mississippi solicitor Gen. bringing up the issue. They he was asked about for. For example, your burger fell case I he tried to dodge it because he's trying to stick to this issue and III can understand why he did that but think about this for a moment deal burger fell case I think is going to be at some point if the Lord tarries at some point is going to be on the legal ground that Roe is on now because there was nothing in the Constitution about marriage at all and the federal government being able to control how the states view marriage at all, and in fact they just did this power-play overriding over 30 states constitutions on the issue of marriage and we all just kinda acted like it didn't happen.

The only person who is really trying to fight back. In any meaningful way and didn't succeed at it was Judge Roy Moore in Alabama.

He was the only one who saw it legally the way it really was but it was outrageous that five unelected judges would just create a new institution and call it marriage against the will of most of the country at least eight wise because the majority of states had protections for real marriage in their constitutions. That was in a an egregious population of so many different things. The Constitution foremost, so we'll see if Oberg fell ends up having the same fate. It would give me some peace of mind would give me some hope of row can be overturned that someday so can a burger fell.

The boy don't take your eye off the ball on that one because that again you have people who were on the ground floor and a burger fell in 2015 saying this is evil and you know what is evil. You don't redefine marriage. And I don't mean to get off on that whole thing but it's got to be very very interesting to see how all of this plays out.

It it was also interesting to see Chief Justice John Roberts and Clarence Thomas and Cavanaugh and Amy Cody Barrett and Samuel Alito really make a lot of comments pertaining to the fact that Clarence Thomas especially that abortion is not in the Constitution that they be willing to abandon potentially row just on the basis of it being wrong and wrongly decided. In the first place. Very important days are ahead. So keep on praying for the Supreme Court decision in this very very critical case of Dobbs Jackson women's health.

I leave it there.

Thank you for listening and will see next time.

God bless you

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