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The White House is out with its "first-ever National Gender Strategy," while a GOP congressman is silenced online for saying a gender-confused male government official is a man. But are we effectively fighting the war on male and female? We'll talk about it. Plus: What can we learn about the new Christian Left movement from the upcoming meeting between the president and Pope Francis? Dr. Jeff Myers, president of Summit Ministries, will weigh in on Wednesday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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At least that's how it looks.

It feels a little bit like the Obama administration they want to build that better. That's what the mind administration wants to do except nothing they propose is ever better. It's always worse. We have all of these problems in our country, inflation and a supply chain crisis and an open border and more people coming up from Central and South America to invade our country. I'm not trying to be mean to people saying there here for nefarious purposes, but their lawbreakers and what is Biden care and other reports out there that, is better because she's been put in charge of the border. Now that she's doing anything about it and she feels marginalized. I really don't care.

You know, we have a country to say we have a country that's disintegrating and we have a whole host of people inside this country were facilitating it on purpose. We have a five alarm fire. As far as I see it concerning the United States of America and we are watching these people day by day by day insult us and make fun of us and make fun of the problems the legitimate problems we have in this country and tyrannize us and go against the rule of law and go against the Constitution.

I'm just so weary of it. I cannot figure out for the life of me why it is most Americans are putting up with this other than the fact that you have to see this through spiritual eyes. At a certain juncture, and say the Lord is judging us, which I do believe he is. Why do I say this well here's a perfect example of the tone deafness but I think it's deliberate tone deafness about what's going on versus what they want to do in this White House. This is via the daily wire and they point this out as inflation is continuing to rise and supply chains are breaking down the Biden administration on Friday unveiled its first ever national gender strategy because that's the real problem in this country we have women who are being oppressed and they must have abortion rights enshrined in the federal government and in federal law for the rest of time because otherwise, word is knocking to be able to murder our babies with impunity and we can't have that thing how evil you have to be to think that way. At any rate, this whole thing is aimed at rectifying suppose a gender inequality in the US and abroad small abroad is not our problem. We do not run the world. These people are president and vice president of the United States.

I understand we have foreign policies here and there on everything and I get that. I'm not saying we should be completely disconnected from the world clearly were not disconnected from the world. But why is gender inequality. The focus of this administration. Pres. Biden and I released the first ever national gender strategy. This is a tweet from, here is this is our vision for the future of our nation, one that is bold in strategy and one that has this moment calls that this moment calls for this moment doesn't call for help at the border, that's what you're in charge of. Notably, they know they say that the plan calls for cemented abortion rights and a push for more women in the US military as well as closing the gender wage gap. Although there's no evidence that the gap is caused by sexism. It had not even go into it. If you feel like being more annoyed and/or more bored you can definitely go over to the fact sheet on the national strategy on gender equity and equality. I'm so over it. I'm so bored women in the United States of America are some of the most blessed women on planet Earth because of the freedoms and the liberties that we have been afforded and the ability to vote in the ability to go to college and the ability to have the kind of job you want to have where women suffering, you know, it seems to me, wherever women are suffering in the United States. There has to be some level of personal responsibility. In many cases that we have to take into account. For example, if you are a single mother you have multiple children from different baby daddies at what point is that my fault that's not my fault and I'm not trying to be unkind, but if you have multiple baby daddies and you're struggling because you can't afford to feed them and you have the baby daddies refusing to pay child support that would create a very difficult circumstance for you and for your children, but that's a personal responsibility matter. In most cases yes and were not allowed to say that because that's just me. Well, I think we need to get over the whole problem that we have with not wanting to see mean at every juncture, because these people just take political advantage of it is just it's astonishing.

We need more women caught. How are women not equal to men and by the way I want to talk about this thing in the military.

This is one of the things I want to focus on is this really bugs me. I have noticed over the course of the last.

I don't know how many years that conservative men in office. Often times are so scared of offending women and I I'm not trying to impugn them because they're way better than the alternative, liberal men, but they don't want to offend women any turn so they tiptoe around any issue that they think might potentially offend a woman somewhere and I see this not only in politics. I see this in the church as well. I see these battles that go on online where Christian men are just not wanting to say the truth because some woman might gather together her woman friends and do a tweet storm on him or right obnoxious blog posts and try to destroy him as a sexist. This has to end and I'm gonna say this because I think we are losing our ability to really speak clearly on the issue of God creating the male and female, and having different purposes and different roles in God's creation and somebody needs to say it and when you don't say it on the easy issues then you get Rachel Levine as an assistant secretary in the Department of Health and Human Services and the next thing you know they're turning around and making this man, Adm., and then the next thing you have is Twitter putting a congressman in timeout for calling a man a man that's where we are. I want to get into this story because I have some things to say about it.

No doubt you've heard that this whole flap involving Congressman Jim Banks referring to Rachel Levine which is a woman's name as a man got him put in twitter timeout and he did a little diatribe, and I don't blame him for feeling this way that we can allow big tech to prevent us from telling the truth. I would play for you. First, a couple of cuts here from good old Jim Acosta and Brian Stelter over at CNN because this kind of says it all, listen to this opening a Republican Congressman so twitter is trying to censor and cancel them because they temporarily walked to his account and is claiming he is being silence while freely tweeting from a second personal account Congressman Jim Banks right." Twitter has suspended bifacial account for posting a statement of fact, I won't back down to earth as a temporarily locked commerce from Jim Banks's account for violating its hateful conduct policy.

It says it will unlock the account once the point in question is deleted in the tweet at the center of all those commerce bags refers to the assistant secretary of health Dr. Rachel Levine, a transgender woman as a man. This is what Banks was referred refusing to back down from I want to bring back our chief media correspondent Brian Stelter to talk about this O'Brien country banks are claiming he's being silenced on Twitter by tweeting is on us like yeah it's almost like they they want to be canceled so there's the right.

Congress you like that.

Take your call a man a man was. I guess you just must want to be canceled. There is no logical or rational thought going to the brains of this man, this man or the other man who's about to comment. Let's listen to Brian Stelter's retort to that ridiculous comment. This is cut to think you know that you just revealed the name of the game.

It's about creating this opportunity for a political stunt. Banks said in a statement of you silenced if they silence me. They will silence you. We can't allow big tech to prevent us from telling the truth. We portrays himself as a bold truth teller when the real truth is that these trends phobic.

That's what is revealing through this comment about Dr. Rachel Levine.

He says he is been bad. He's only been temporarily locked. What it does a lot to different users, including even members of Congress because he is in violation of wares hateful conduct policy by all means you will dog the policy, then let's debate let's argue about it. But what is revealing through his seemingly bold, truth telling, tweet is just that he is engaged in trends phobia right being human being people or people on a wide tweet stuff like about something I don't I don't understand your member of Congress and you should be doing that sort of thing you shouldn't be calling men, men Congressman Banks in the world would you do that, that's hate speech trends phobic and it's clearly a political stunt to object to twitter silencing you what is supposed to say to these people might have some things to say will take a quick break and then we'll come back here and Jennifer today. This is Janet matter to provide a link international authorities in China are making life difficult for Christians. It's against the law to share Christ with children under age 18.

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This is what the left is like to use the term gender and now they're able to manipulated in and morph everything now we have transgender's and we have asexual's and we have this and that. I'm sick of it.

I'm sick of it because what they do is every time they're able to move the goal posts a little bit we lose reality, and we lose common sense and we lose truth that we have the story that I've been talking about Congressman Jim Banks, who is put into temporary timeout on Twitter for calling Rachel Levine. This transgender assistant secretary of the department of Health and Human Services, a man which by the way he is and there's not anything the left can do about it. No matter how many surgeries you put the guy through. He's never going to be a woman and women are not supposed to feel angry about this at all. But there's more to it. I'm going back to the new statement put out by HH HHS and it was announcing this appointment of the nation's first openly transgender four-star officer getting this wonderful honor this wonderful honor Adm. Rachel Levine, who serves as the HHS Assistant Sec. for health and head of the US Public health service commissioned Corps was ceremonial us ceremonially sworn in as a four-star admiral okay first of all they are doing this not because this guy has any great credentials to receive this kind of an honor. They're doing it to shove the pioneer face they're doing it to further degrade the honor of the US military and anybody who's been paying attention to this issue for any number of years can see this, for exactly what it is they go on to say. Adm. Levine now serves as the highest ranking official in the USPHS commission Corps and its first ever female four-star admiral Kate, he's a dude he's a man he's male.

He's a man he's a man he's a man he's a man and he's not a good-looking fake woman either. And everybody knows that you take one look at this man and I do feel sorry for him on some level because he is very confused and he needs mental help.

He doesn't need to be honored for his gender confusion or sex confusion or whatever you want to call it. Adm. Levine will lead 6000 public health service officers who are dedicated to serving our nation's most underserved and vulnerable populations. And here's the key. Today's historic announcement. This was from a few days ago builds on the accomplishments of LGBT Q plus history month.

Oh yes, what a wonderful designation to be called the first female the for the first ever female four-star admiral when everybody knows it's a dude all right now let's go back to Congressman Banks because this is where I'm going with this red state has an article on this whole issue and how the Congressman got in timeout for calling a four-star admiral, a man who actually happens to be a man. His initial statement I thought was perfectly legit. He said the title of the first female four-star officer gets taken by a man so the way he's framing that he got in trouble for saying demand the way he's framing it is by earning well. Being given this designation, he heard a woman.

Okay, now I'm gonna get into this in a little bit more detail on that particular point, but I want to go to this article and one of the quotes that was put in the into the article concerning Congressman Jim Banks opinion on this whole issue and it isn't just about the fact that he's annoyed, rightly so, that Levine is being called a woman, when in fact, Levine is a man. There's also another problem here.

What is the problem here.

Another post that he put up. Let me read it to you. Calling someone that was born and lived as a man for 54 years. The first female four-star officer is an insult to every little girl who dreams of breaking glass ceilings. One day, now you listen to that and initially you might say. Yeah, that's not fair. He's getting a position that should have been given to an actual female. But here's the problem that I see with this were seating ground.

When we talk like that because I can tell you, having been a little girl at one time and having been around tons of little girls when I was little and my entire life I can tell you definitively that if you have a little girl who has been on propagandized by these activists.

There is no little girl in America and I would put some money on this.

If I were a betting woman there's no little girl in America who dreams of being a four-star admiral one day and breaking glass ceilings. That is ridiculous little girls who are not propagandized and brainwashed by leftist activists dream of being princesses they dream of being queens they dream of being ballerinas they dream of being mommies one day. That's the natural thing that little girls dream about. They don't worry about feminist goals when there are four and five. They're worried about being pretty one day and doing something very feminine.

That's what's normal that's what's normal for little girls. But that's not what these gender sexuality activist want you to believe they want you to believe that everything has to be about equality. So why in the world do we take this tack.

It's not that women are not harmed by the transgender fable because they are. If you have girls who are in high school sports and dudes are coming in and competing under full femininity and their crushing the girls because they're bigger and stronger and the girls don't stand a chance of winning those races because a guy is there, then it does hurt women, but listen when we take the angle that we are merely against this because some woman should've gotten the job.

Now what were doing is were buying into the feminism that has made a mess of the military, and here's what I mean by that. What is wrong with saying that, in fact, if you have the top leadership brass in the military.

It ought to be male. I am very old-school on this.

I don't impugn any woman who get some kind of a job working in the military, but I'm adamantly against this idea that women need to be on the front lines in combat, which is ridiculous and women need to be equal on the battlefield where you just advertise.

We want to lose the war.

I'm not saying specific women are not stronger than specific men, but we know that they have to alter the test for women to even even be able to pass some of these military tests.

It's wrong.

It's wrong. Nobody is saying that anymore because nobody wants to offend the feminists, but this is how we got to the point where these leftists have started to say were in a draft little girls and what ground we have seated has made us unable to come back and go now that's just wrong. We were losing the argument because we've can weave seated territory to these people every single step of the way a woman should be able to be in admiral in the military. Talking about, what are you talking about women should not be admirals in the military. That is my position. I don't think it's right and it's not because women aren't smart and talented and I'm not.

Again, I'm not insulting anybody who serves in the military, who's female I'm not insulting you.

But we are so far gone on the feminist thing that we are not even speaking logic here anymore little girls do not dream of breaking glass ceilings in the military. They just don't. Maybe when they're 25 and they've been fully indoctrinated and in feminism they decide that this is perhaps a great route for them to go find your weird free country. You can feel the way you feel, but I feel the way I feel and I'm tired of watching men say things like this with good intentions and I'm not trying to say mean things about Congressman Banks because I appreciate that he's standing up on the issue that Levine is a man but does see territory to these people anymore. That's how we got to the point of having to fight the battle over our little girls having to register for the draft because this is what the left is been after all along and it's always framed while you know Israel does this, and you women can do what men can do and edited it right these the same people who've made the military woke as China is testing these stunning weapons that can now kill us all and end the military's reaction is the worst on to get back your stunt get your face out of the Robin D'Angelo Book-of-the-Month and do your job as the military leaders that you were put into place to to be.

We have a disintegrating country folks we cannot sugarcoat this and it grieves me to see Congressman Banks, who I'm sure does a fantastic job. I'm not trying to insult him because I'm grateful that he is doing what he's doing and one remark does not me and I'll set them back.

I'm just saying that particular remark was unfortunate weave a disintegrating country it's being taken away from us from within its being threatened from without and were worried about losing our twitter accounts. Think about that for a moment, who cares about your twitter account. I think it's completely unfair and I think it's a violation of the laws that we have on monopoly in the his history that we have on stopping monopolies in this nation in antitrust laws I think are all kinds of problems with that concerning big tack and the way that they censor conservatives and kick trump of social media, but allow the Ayatollah to say whatever he wants of the head of the tell Amanda say whatever he wants.

It is an outrage. But if you lose your social media.

So what you should be in the real world fighting these battles. Who cares on some level. If you're losing your twitter account or you're getting put in timeout. I am to the point where I'm tired of hearing about it because the Republicans who are on Capitol Hill who have the ability to do something about big tack have done nothing except ham shows on TV where they yell about big tack and bring Zuckerberg and Dorsey forward and put on a big show of oh or so outrage in this grandstand and they're all taking money from big tack and nothing ever happens in worried about that's, or focused on you know why because that's the easy fight the easy fight is to say they put me in timeout on twitter. They put me in timeout on Facebook. Why are you there there taking your data you're being there.

Make sure that these people can make more money and oppress more people. Why are you putting up with it. That's what I don't understand your worried about that one. You take that energy and do something that would help to save this country. Why don't you do something to fight on these huge issues that are keeping the rest of us up at night because were worried about our kids and were worried about our grandkids. I just think the focus from the very politicians who should be fighting for us. Are these little issues that ultimately are just words. Levine is a man, but that's not the biggest outrage here, being a man and be named a four-star admiral actually is the least offensive part of this because at least he's a man. The problem is he's mentally ill and he needs help.

He's not qualified to be in admiral, but will we get this war on gender right. Who knows this archived broadcast of Janet met her today is brought to you by Hartford Lebanon that is using hard for Lebanon to bring practical assistance and the gospel to the stricken refugee families in Lebanon for a gift of $116 you can give a child in his family survival essentials for four months and the hope of Jesus Christ which lasts forever. Call now 888-247-5499 888-247-5499 or there's a banner to Joe Mitford today and here's your host Joe Milford plugging back on Friday. Pres. Biden or is Reuters calls him devout Roman Catholic Joe Biden will meet with Pope Francis in the Vatican. The Washington Examiner reports that social justice is undoubtedly going to be a topic of discussion. What has Press Secretary Jen Saki said the two will discuss working together on efforts grounded in respect for fundamental human dignity including ending the Cova 19 pandemic tackling the climate crisis and caring for the poor. Well will the fundamental human dignity of the unborn be part of the discussion, even as conservative Catholic bishops in America have said pro-abortion. Biden should be banned from receiving communion. The pulpit said bishops should use compassion and tenderness with Catholic politicians who support abortion rights. This is the same pope who has mandated a covert green pass in order to enter the Vatican at a time when vaccine mandates are threatening religious freedom and freedom in general will is my next guest rightly notes, this is the perfect example of the new Christian left movement public figures who say there about fundamental human dignity, but only if that's defined around their pet leftist causes and it comes from a worldview that is diametrically opposed to the biblical one.

So were to get some thoughts on this now from Dr. Jeff Myers, president of Summit ministries and author of several great books including understanding the faith and understanding the times Jeff it is wonderful to have you here.

How are you doing today I'm doing very well. I really enjoy your show and would report to our conversation I am to what your very kind and it's always great to have you here.

What are your thoughts on this meeting between Joe Biden and Pope Francis this could be an opportunity to really talk about some of the issues that are affecting Christians and and people worldwide who are concerned about religious freedom doesn't seem like it's good to go beyond social justice. But what are your thoughts on it.

If I could put together a wish list of what I think the president should talk about item number one from the limiting abortion and I know that attention because Joe Biden goes to mass every week were claims that he does and at the same time he has done everything he can to promote abortion on demand throughout federal policy. So I would address that first because it's hard to imagine that you can have a belief in fundamental human dignity if you can have a basic respect for human life. The second thing I would put on the agenda is economically no (come from Argentina.

You absolutely do not want Argentina's economic system to be spreading place else in the world. That's what social guilt looks like it is a disaster virtually at 40% of people in the country moved below the poverty line and have 100% plus inflation every year. That's what social policy to get you if that's what they knew about social justice about yeah for sure will. Let's talk about the abortion issue because more and more and more the Biden administration is pushing as far left as it can possibly go on abortion. Now they come out with this statement on gender equity and they want to enshrine.

Abortion is no permanent right for women. It's just ghoulish when you consider what happens during abortion, you're not only dismantling a human life, but women are harmed by this as well and yet you have the Pope being to the left. It was seem of even some US Catholic bishops or stainless and if this guy who claims to be a devout Roman Catholic. Is this pro-abortion.

He shouldn't be taking communion in the Catholic Church and the Pope is basically at least from some of these reports saying go easy on them. You know, we need to be loving with the love of Christ to mean how are we supposed to look at this. I know his evangelicals were not under the Pope.

But how do you view this just through biblical lands occurring to understand a little bit about Catholic theology.

What the Eucharist will mean my understanding is in the Catholic Church, Eucharist is is a mystical process by which the wafer in the wind become the body and blood of Christ, so if you are saying you're taking it what you're saying as I am participating in the body of Christ at this moment. But to have a fundamental belief in some of the key teachings of the church is a complete contradiction. I'm not sure I do get. I don't know how that works. I understand that there would be people coming to church and they have sent in their lives and they want to confess that, but to come every single week within your heart, a commitment to a policy that destroys innocent human life, to abortion. To me that's a different issue. So I have some sympathy for those bishops who are uneasy with the idea of giving politicians who hold that viewpoint communion will right and it's interesting how we keep hearing the same line that Biden's personal views don't get imposed upon his political responsibilities. I mean they've been using that excuse forever.

They're very willing. On the left to speak out on any issue that they find to be offensive from race to, you know, gender ideology and their their very willing to go there but they're not willing to go there on abortion and am wondering at what point the American people say were sick and tired of hearing that your devout when you are in favor and promoting the destruction of human life is there going to be a point at which he's just have to pick a side and quit trying to split the difference there will Democratic politicians in particular and some Republican politicians have gotten away with that line for a very long if you were right out you were to write up a sentence. I personally believe that abortion is wrong but I won't impose my views of an in terms of law and you could up the word abortion and put in slavery or any other big issue.

What kind of a statement.

Would you be making it very difficult for me to imagine a credible person in public office who knowingly has something where there what they personally believe in what they're willing to commit to in terms of law are at odds with one another. Yeah, that's a really good point.

So how do you see Joe Biden in the Pope. In this meeting coming up at the end of the week. In the context of the new Christian left movement and maybe even give us a definition if you would've what you think. That movement really is short.

Well the Christian left would be a movement that is primarily committed to the idea that Jesus is not is not appeared as our Savior, but the resurrected Christ that Jesus is an example of what it Christ consciousness is in other words, there is a universal Christ and the universal Christ is a revolutionary primary interest is in redistributing wealth.sort of book.

The spiritual take on social justice. Not Jenna. You know I came out of the academic world. I was a professor for 14 years.

What people need in the economy by social justice is very clear. They mean the redistribution of wealth and every other societal good so one person is more intelligent than someone else.

You have to stop educating them so that everybody else can catch up one person has more money you have to take it away and redistributed the underlying assumption of that worldview is that there's only so much to go around the word only the material world that so there's only skip like a pot there only so many pieces that you can cut out of the pot a biblical worldview says no that's not true because we have monuments because we have spirit, we can have ideas we can have inspiration we can use information to grow.

The total amount it's more of an abundance mindset so there's a very big difference here. I think Pope Francis has departed pretty significantly from previous Pope and insisting that no only the material world exists in the in the redistributing of material wealth is going to be our primary focus have a feeling that for this meeting is going and that concerns well when you talk about the issue of the caring for the poor that was cited in the White House press secretary statement. They mean something specific we've always talked as Christians about caring for the poor. This is something that's always been very significant for Christians to do.

And Christians are very very generous in helping and caring for the poor that seems to take on a different definition if they're using the definition that you just described, though of course you are there 2510. You mention Christian compassion but the total amount of resources and time that Christians in the United States you to helping others is probably of the order of somewhere between 1 1/2 to $3 trillion a year, but that's actually a substantial part of the United States economy that comes through the generosity of the people, but the other side of it is a Christian worldview says if you work hard, take advantage of economic opportunity to get to the point where you're not a drain on the public, but you actually become a blessing.

I want that homeless person to be able to get a home start a business and the employee others. I don't want them to just have another meal for another day. It's a very very different mindset when someone starts with the idea that there's only so much to go around your right Dr. Jeff Myers with as president of Summit ministries were to take a break will come back talking about the meeting between Pres. Biden and Pope Francis, the social justice meeting, probably so will come back talking about it right after this, the UN has called what's happening in Lebanon. The worst humanitarian crisis since World War II Cove in 19 political upheaval, a crumbling economy and 2 million refugees, children and their families living in poverty and despair. But in the middle of it all, God is at work, more Muslim cultured people than ever before are putting their faith and trust in Jesus and through your generous support heart for Lebanon is being used to bring these hurting people from despair to hope a single gift of $116 helps bring a child in their family survival essentials and the hope of the gospel which lasts forever. $348 cares for this family for an entire year. We have a goal to take over 50 families of a waiting list that desperately need our help. So were hoping you'll be as generous as you can when you call 888-247-5499 888-247-5499 or there so hard for Lebanon

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He's all about redistributing wealth and being a social justice warrior. This is kind of smacking of the old liberation theology that came out of Catholicism, but this is very interesting because another important issue on the table and I know you've talked about this to Jeff, is this issue of vaccine mandate side mentioned that you have to have this covert green pass now to enter the Vatican and it it's a time that's very funny because whether or not your vaccinated her unvaccinated. It would seen any American would see plainly.

We can't have mandates where you have thousands of people losing their jobs, which is even happening in the United States.

How important is it from a biblical perspective to speak up on the issue of religious freedom and freedom of conscience on this issue.

I think it's very important granite speaker on this very difficult. I understand that you through vaccination politically fraught.

A lot of people are at odds with their friends and coworkers over this issue, but there are a small number of people who in the United States of America believe for religious reasons, but they should not receive the covert shot then there is no evidence that those people are harming anyone else. There is no evidence that they are causing anybody else to get covert that is not the issue. The issue has become whether the government is going to stay in control of whether or not it's going to provide freedom of never forgot that the reason our founders put the Bill of Rights and the United States Constitution is not to protect people from one another, but to protect people from the government right to freedom of religion is the first freedom founders understood in sociologists today have been able to clearly demonstrate that nations the protect religious freedom end up having more economic and political freedom, especially for the vulnerable women and children, but nations that do not protect religious freedom end up squelching all freedoms for our founders thought to get very important thing to consider, yes.

And when you raise that issue that ties into one of the other issues that you had hoped, and stated that you hope they would discuss at this summit, which was economic growth. Now we know the background of Pope Francis on this regard at it. It's a time though where our economy is in bad shape and Joe Biden doesn't seem to be that concerned with it, it's all about build back better. But how do those two things go together when you're talking about economic growth and also looking at the issue of all these people being laid off, and all these people are being paid unemployment when they should be working.

It just seems a little scary to a lot of Americans to watch all this go on. Not to mention the supply chain crisis in the boats that are just unable to go and dock and get unloaded is Christmas is coming up while you're there so many are great here, but one one thing, but Joe Biden firmly believed that government money can be used to create economic growth.

This goes all the way back to John Maynard Keynes called a Keynesian view. A lot of economists hold this view and that house at various points in time. For example an immediate aftermath of World War II that help all of those manufacturing lines ship tobacco with more production to consumer production never work since that time, but Joe Biden just through the coincidence of the program. He put in place when he was vice president to spend lots and lots of government money. You believe that's what made the economy recover. So if it worked once with $800 billion. It will work now even better $3 trillion is fundamental perspective and I think it's fundamentally flawed from an economic viewpoint. The truth is that if you if you can get the government largely out of the way, people will figure out how to succeed on their own and that's what we need to have happen, but I think a controlled economy is very very important to this process. Yet, while there was even a recent report from economists in San Francisco who said it is the economic policy to Keynesian policies discussed that Biden is implementing that is causing all this terrible inflation when you go to the pumps and you see how high the price of gasoline is going it's because he's decided to shut down certain pipelines, Keystone pipeline, for example, if you go into the grocery store. Use the empty shelves.

You see the prices of all kinds of basic staples that you putting your card every week.

Going through the roof. That's not helping people and and when you talk about government money, that's not the government's money.

That's our money. That's money warpaint and were trillions and this is basically basic stuff that even people with a household budget can understand all of you trying to end up hurting the poor. That's the biggest tragedy in all of this if you if you have a message. You have $100 hundred dollar bill you print another hundred dollar bill without increasing value that you bill is only worth $50.what inflation is American can figure out that you keep putting more more money money supply without creating underlying economic growth, then it just devalues whatever. They currently have two people savings are now worth a lot less their salary is worth a lot less because they have to pay a whole lot more money going to the grocery store. You see, not just within the last four weeks begin increasing prices on key consumer goods, so I am afraid that I'm afraid that the chickens are coming home to roost with this economic policy that most people in government, including most Republicans have promoted for the last 50 or so years. It's so aggravating I'm wondering Jeff just on a personal level diesel it at all frustrating. I can name significant evangelical names who were out there screaming and yelling about Donald for Donald Trump for about everything that he did while also claiming to be pro-life.

I don't see the same level of screaming how Joe Biden that I saw from some of these people over Donald Trump. Does that seem frustrating at all to you, especially on the abortion issue because I don't see a lot of these guys going after Biden for being pro-abortion and wanting to basically cement abortion rights. With this national gender strategy.

The White House is just an unveiled right right I think this is a key time for Christian to speak up and we should be willing to speak up for what is true no matter who was president and so when you see a lot of leaders who don't do drop, that's pretty tough. I have to reflect on that myself young trying to think through my own experience were there times where I should've criticized Donald Trump something I think was wrong and maybe didn't we always have to examine our hearts and stay focused on what is true no truth is not just a mathematical formula or logical proposition. It's Jesus. If I really believe that Jesus is the way the truth of life done. I will speak up. So I'm hoping that I can be one person who has integrity that respect.

You will feel like there are a lot of leaders who are demonstrated not right well in the whole embrace increasing embrace. I should say of social justice within evangelicalism. How does that alarm you in some way when you're looking at the biblical worldview and and in light of the new Christian left movement.

There are a lot of Christians who are genuinely concerned that evangelicalism is moving too far to the left and we don't want to become the mainline. I mean how do you react all of it.

Well I think if we were to really keep our focus on the poor and the vulnerable. We would want to have economic growth.

What helps people come out of poverty, economic growth, what helps decrease pollution economic growth.

You set up a system where you're trying to solve short-term problems through infusions of taxpayer dollars and and and the consequences that it flows economic growth, which by the way of exactly what happened in Argentina. The pope's home country of exactly what they did. I would hope that the Pope would say listen, you're heading down the road in America where we headed down the road in Argentina hundred years ago and it is going to end in disaster unit promote economic growth to government spending and Chuck have the same kind of kind of accountability of the government level we expect of ourselves with personal level. Yes right so sure how would you say a biblical worldview ought to be informing us on how we deal with some of these important issues that we touched on the biblical worldview speak to every area of life.

That's what I teach at government ministries to students who come study with possibly some R&R summer programs.

We teach all of our curriculum courses. So what you believe about God will determine what you believe about what is real you believe about what is real will determine what you believe about what's right and wrong, what you believe about what's right and wrong will determine how you engage politically. What you think a good economic policy would be how to establish good laws work. It seems to me that thinking Christianly about everything is at the heart of what makes a well-functioning flourishing society. While sad I couldn't agree more, and you can check out The website for summit ministries headed up by my guess Dr. Jeff Myers was always a joy to have here Jeff, thank you so much for what you do and for joining us today. It's always fun to talk to you. You thank you for being here. God bless you, thank you for joining us on Jennifer today.

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