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August 11, 2021 4:30 am

Pro-abortion activists condemn Mississippi's 15-week ban on abortion as "extreme," but a new study from the Charlotte Lozier Institute shows it's mainstream when compared with abortion laws in liberals' beloved Europe. CLI's president Chuck Donovan joins me to talk about it. Plus: How can understanding the power of mass movements and the truth of Romans 1 help us understand the increasing demonization of white evangelicals from voices within the church? That's next time on JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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This Janet Mefford today podcast is brought to you in part by Bible league international. We want to send 1500 Bibles to Africa through Bible leaves open the floodgates Bibles for Africa campaign. Five dollars sends one Bible call now 800 yes word 800 yes word is our confidence is in Christ alone, I sort of glad Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York finally capitulated to the forces that were trying to get him out of office. Unfortunately he was not forced from office over his nursing home, death scandal, which is the reason he really should have been tossed from office, but it was over the sexual harassment allegations will be resigning in 14 days and Kathy Hoke old Lieut. Gov. will become the first woman governor of New York, who apparently is to the left of Cuomo so lots of fun ahead for the state of New York and there are number people opining that what really went wrong was Cuomo was posing some kind of political threat to, Harris, who as we all know, has been less than popular as the vice president of the United States course I would argue that even Anthony Weiner probably could be, Harris. I don't know anybody on the political spectrum who thinks, Harris is awesome. Not anybody. So we'll see what comes of that. But I have something more important that I think I want to take some time on today and I have been thinking a lot about the code 19 debacle and what's going on with BLM and critical race theory and all of the stuff that's been churning around in our culture for the last year and 1/2. In particular, and I was coming across a video when I was on but you know how you're on YouTube sometimes, and though suggest videos. This video pops up on the subject of mass psychosis not I have no idea why that particular video showed up on my feet because I don't really look into psychiatry videos, or any sort of psychological videos necessarily, but it caught my attention. And the reason it caught my attention was because it led me to look at some of the material on the website of the organization that had put the video up and they were talking about the issue of mass psychosis is the greatest threat to humanity. Now again I'm not coming at this from a psych point of view because I'm not into psychiatry or psychology necessarily.

II think there's some elements of it that you can talk about that are interesting but I go to the word of God to inform my worldview and to inform me on what God's truth is, nevertheless, I came across this article. This was from March and it was called, is a mass psychosis. The greatest threat to humanity, and I wanted to share a little bit of this with you. It's by the new Agoura, but this video is put out, apparently in tandem with this group, called the Academy of ideas were couple of people from Canada. I have no idea who these people are, but I thought this is interesting all one's neighbors are in the grip of some uncontrolled and uncontrollable fear and lunatic asylums.

It is a well-known fact that patients are far more dangerous when suffering from fear. Then when moved by rage or hatred. That's a quote from Carl Young.

According to Young the greatest threat to civilization. They say lies not with the forces of nature, nor with any physical disease but with our inability to deal with the forces of our own psyche. We are our own worst enemies. Or is the Latin proverb puts that man is wolf to man and civilization. Transition Young states that this proverb is a sad yet eternal truism and are wolflike tendencies come most prominently into play at those times of history when mental illness becomes the norm rather than the exception in a society, a situation which Young termed a psychic epidemic and to stay with me here. He writes indeed, it is becoming ever more obvious that it is not famine, not earthquakes, not microbes, not cancer, but man himself who is man's greatest danger to man amen.

That's the truth for the simple reason that there is no adequate protection against psychic epidemics, which are infinitely more devastating than the worst of natural catastrophes again quote from Carl Young. In the video they talk about exploring some of the psychic epidemics that pop up in history a mass psychosis they say is an epidemic of madness, and it occurs when a large portion of a society loses touch with reality and descends into delusions.

Such a phenomenon is not a thing of fiction to examples of mass psychoses are the American and European witchhunts. They say in the 16th and 17th centuries, and the rise of totalitarianism in the 20th century.

Now they go down to this quote the totalitarian experiments of the 20th century are a more recent and more deadly example of a mass psychosis in countries such as the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, North Korea, China and Cambodia. It was a collective detachment from reality and it is sent into delusions and paranoia that permitted the rise of the all-powerful totalitarian governments that destroy the lives of hundreds of millions quoting from juice. Mary Lou, it was the totalitarian systems of the 20th century that represent a kind of collective psychosis, whether gradually or suddenly reason and common human decency are no longer possible. In such a system. There is only a pervasive atmosphere of terror and a projection of the enemy, a mansion to be in our midst who does that sound like who's the enemy in our midst while you think of the Biden administration Sain white supremacists there. The greatest threat to this country they are in our midst. That's why were jailing all these people from the January 6 trespassing problem. So we have all these people all these people have to protect you from, or people who were unvaccinated there the enemy in our midst. Think about this for moment continuing with the quote.

Thus society turns on itself urged on by the ruling authorities.

They go on to say when a mass psychosis occurs. The results are devastating. You studied this phenomenon thoroughly and wrote that the individuals who make up the infected society become morally and spiritually inferior.

They sink unconsciously to an inferior intellectual level, they become more unreasonable, irresponsible, emotional, erratic and unreliable. And worst of all crimes, the individual alone could never stand are freely committed by the group smitten by madness. Now I would say as a Christian, what were really looking at in our society is the fulfillment of Romans one of said this many many times, we have in our society is God has given us over to a depraved mind when you have a depraved mind you have suppress the truth in unrighteousness. You have rejected God the creator and you are instead worshiping and serving the creation, the created order rather than the one who made it and so God eventually gives over societies that have gotten into this position and gives them over to a depraved mind, and it begins with sexual immorality and a descendent of homosexuality, and it goes downhill from there. How in the world can we deny that that's where the United States is at the moment. Now they may say from a psychological standpoint that this is mass psychosis mass mental illness. I don't know what would you call the transgender movement that that's not normal and it's not reasonable, and it's not logical and it's not reality. And yet how many people are getting into. This is some kind of wonderful phenomenon you just looking. I'm sure you're like me where you look at a lot of what's going on in the society and you think to yourself, these people are insane and you know what, I don't think were completely wrong when we say that but what were really seen is the effects of sin and a depraved mind, and we see people inventing evil the way it talks about in Romans one we see people who are increasingly godless and increasingly ruthless.

That's where we are. But what's interesting about it is when you couple this whole reality that were seen in front of us and you try to figure out why in the world people are falling for these delusions that have captured the minds of so many people who have no business standing up in front of thinking individuals and trying to guide them in any particular way that what am I talking about specifically a couple of examples that I'm to get into in just a couple of minutes have to do with some of these voices inside the church in many respects, saying some of the most outrageous insane charges against normal Christians who haven't done anything that they're being accused of doing.

And these people are given platforms and their given book deals and there honored by the mainstream media, particularly when it comes to the whole idea of critical race theory.

I'm seeing the rhetoric. Rhetoric ramping up against whites, white evangelicals, in particular when were talking about the church as being just a bunch of disgusting racists and is absent any proof. It is something again that critical race theory has established from the beginning.

You are part of a structure of racism and daily have to prove they don't have to make the case they don't have to go through any individual pieces of evidence to present to you in order to convince you, you hapless racist. Let me show you why your hapless racists and the more you listen to these people talk the more they sound insane and I think we ought to call it for what it is.

It's insanity and I'm to give you some examples of what I'm talking about when we come back here listening to Janet Mefford today don't go away.

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Some people you have to conclude there's something more wrong with them. Just then sin because we are all sinners and not all of us are insane. But when you look around American society today and you begin to ask the question why are all these people so insane what is driving them. It isn't reason it isn't logic. It's their feelings and their experiences and I would argue their ability. There easy to brainwash their ability to be manipulated by media their ability to be manipulated by politicians we've seen this with Cove aid. You must show on the unvaccinated is that scientific doesn't matter.

All you have to do is get people worked up into a frenzy and they are in the palm of your hand and don't you think these politicians know it. You need to talk to people out there about how unfair it is that that person can buy an expensive housing you're stuck in an apartment now, if we were logical and reasonable. We might talk about the reasons that that is so perhaps you have a lower paying job you had a major in college that was not going to be as fruitful for you financially when you got out on the other side and got that diploma and the guy who has the house down the street went into a better major had better grades had better test scores had better opportunities know because were in an age of equity baby, you can't talk about somebody earning something more than I did because that's not fair. That's insane. That's insane.

It's the communist mindset it's been tried before, it doesn't work it decimates human beings.

It left 140 million people dead in its wake in the 20th century and yet here we are in the United States. The country that ought to know better than anybody else. How horrible communism is and were just embracing it. Why because people are brainwashed and I would say, in some cases acting insane now. Where does this leave us in the church. I want to go to this story that was just out over a campus reform and it asks this question are religious critical race theory opponents to white to be evangelical.

They talk about a panel that took place at the end of June and this was a real doozy.

It involved some professors from Vanderbilt, Georgetown and Vassar. They were part of this panel during a church-based event on critical race theory. It was held by this friendship West church.

This is why I can't even describe that you have to listen to it to understand what I'm talking about here's friendship West Baptist Church pastor Frederick Haynes kicking things off by baselessly insulting white Christians. Here's One. The reason that I felt we should have this conversation for the next two Wednesdays around critical race theory is that there is been a deliberate campaign of this and make sure around critical race theory and will miss that is taken place recently.

What is even worse is the fact that baptized bigotry from the white from right wing evangelicals who are too white to be evangelical has literally calls goals in this M&A Arrhenius six Southern Baptist convention affiliated seminaries came out with the statement the leadership of those seminaries came out announcing critical race theory. Of course they would not have a conversation about it because they are ignorant of it.

Okay I don't know what it means that you're too white to be evangelical did Jesus ever say anything like that whatsoever that your skin color will exclude you from the kingdom of God is what they're actually trying to say is evil when you denigrate somebody, skin color, in the name of Christianity. They're the ones doing it now, it gets worse to secure worse another panelist was Dr. Stacy Floyd Thomas, a professor of ethics and Society at Vanderbilt University Divinity school. She's the executive director of both the Society of Christian ethics and the nationally acclaimed black religious scholars group etc. etc. I'm just gonna let her speak for herself on this issue of critical race theory in the church. This is got to know that you all so so the wheel hard to believe that she was buying this, you will say color our Christian consciousness always be our second, I don't even know what she's talking about what she's talking about. Jesus is on the side of the oppressed Jesus is on the side of sinners. Jesus came to lay down his life for sinners. Sinners of all races, all ethnicities all tribes all nationalities in and anybody who repents of his sin and puts his faith and trust in Jesus Christ and his resurrection from the dead will be justified before a holy God because of the righteousness of Christ imputed to him and the sin of the sinner imputed to Christ, the great exchange takes place, and there is reconciliation between God and man because of what Jesus is done through his shed blood on the cross. He wasn't lynched by the state he was crucified and the reason he went to the cross, might I point out is because when the crowd. The crowd, not the state but the crowd was asked which prisoners shall we release your member who they wanted released.

It wasn't Jesus Christ. It was Barabbas. They wanted Barabbas released don't blame his death on the state because we are all guilty as it has been said. We all bear those nails, those nails that pierced him.

We all carry them around in our pockets so to speak, one more quote here from Dr. Stacy Floyd Thomas this is Capri theology she will get some links here with the mother, telling him to her sister now we're supposed to be Christian to do challenges job. Consider their law concerning only possession.

The more civilians will cite the article. What is she talking about the joy Lord, by the way, all she's doing is screaming just yelling crazy. It's crazy. It doesn't make any sense does it it's like there has been a brainwashing that has taken place and she's a true believer and in fact, it reminds me of that book the true believer. I don't know if you've ever read this. It's good book, Eric Hoffer's book the true believer thoughts on the nature of mass movements.

It's not a Christian book, but it's worth reading because it talks a lot about mentalities and how mentalities are created in societies that go into movements and why people do what they do and there's a lot to be learned. There, but here's another example of this, the pastor who was complaining about the anti-critical race theory statement from the six heads of the seminaries in the southern Baptist convention. Apparently never heard this particular video excerpt from Dr. Al Mohler who is the president of the Southern Baptist theological seminary. That guy has never seen a position he didn't take it one time or another. I mean if he didn't like his position today, he'll change it tomorrow is just a total politician. This was uncovered back in 2019. Listen to what Al Mohler had to say. Then cut for over 25 years now and southern Baptist leadership for longer than that various rules I was a part of the Cisco breaks the sesquicentennial sermon of the southern Baptist 1995 when we were hundred 50 years old that I was a part of the group have a good American brothers Mike together and we had a statement of limits for slavery into which the southern Baptist dimension had been born and in which southern Baptist were complicit, but my heart and my thinking and my biblical theology is in a very different place than it was in 1995 never really said this publicly. Maybe this is the right place so in 1995. I think what southern Baptist wanted to say was that we were born to racist past live in complicit with racism through segregation and Jim Crow all the way to the very recent present were drawing a line in 1995 saying that was then this is now.

I think that was honestly was wrong was honest, I didn't feel that it was wrong in 1995, but the weight of history indicates that was wrong what was wrong is that was then, is not over and you can't just say were drawing a line in 1995 as honestly as you might try to say it is really fast nor moving forward.

The sermon I preached that there would you make reference was occasioned by my ceiling of Greece and recognizing the theological complicity of my own denomination in racism and so it was an exercise in biblical exposition and biblical theology often neglected text of Scripture from Genesis 11 demonstrating that is take everything we got in the gospel and in the Scriptures to escape the trap of history but were not.

We can't just draw a line where you have to do it where I confronted were to have to recognize the word staying is exactly the right word and sustain were going to carry as a denomination for ever jewel Jesus comes well at some gospel is in it. You can never ever ever ever ever be cleansed. I object those who come to Christ and repentance are cleansed and their sins are far as the east is from the West.

That's the gospel.

Don't be brainwashed, follow the word of God listening to Jana Baffert today. This Jana Baffert today podcast is brought to you in part by Bible league international. We want to send 1500 Bibles to Africa through Bible leagues open the floodgates Bibles for Africa campaign. Five dollars sends one Bible call now 800 yes word 800 yes word today. Here's your host Joe little liberal elites in America have long pointed to Europe as a model for modern thinking and political inspiration. One wonders than what those elites will think of a comprehensive new study released by the Charlotte leisure Institute which shows just how conservative most European nations are when it comes to elective abortion limits. This study comes just as the Supreme Court is poised to hear that important abortion case out of Mississippi concerning its gestational age act, which bans killing babies and elective abortions after 15 weeks, pro-abortion activists have decried the law as extreme but as it turns out Mississippi's limit on elective abortions is actually in the mainstream of European law were to find out more about it now from Chuck Donovan who is president of the Charlotte leisure Institute and Chuck great to have you with us. How are you. Thank you. In this study you have compared the gestational Ajax in Mississippi. As I mentioned with those limits in the European Community. The findings are rather startling. Tell people what you found out from Janet being moderator barely interpreted relative sure when it comes to abortion on the venture protected you don't like to recognize it. Your production more than United. They had to generate or analyze the question we look at 50 countries in Europe probably cried. One day have at least 1 million population Mohler about all these are not covered the nation full 47 have looked more limits on abortion than you will have record of cold 15 week limit paper in Europe would be actually the left of center abortion policy just shows how radical we are in the United yeah now before getting into some of the details on these countries, you've examined just going back to that statement you just made that the United States is way more liberal way more permissive on killing children through abortion, then your it is what is the reason for that because there is always been a lot of discussion about the United States over a much more Christian country and all these kinds of things in Europe has rejected God. Well then, why is there a reversal of sorts when it comes to abortion policy will abortion was the original and carved up by the record.

What I would call constitutional government and related 19 accorded sleepyhead you can limit abortion in the second trimester, but only for the help of the mother. So that means there could be regulation, then on the last trimester pregnancy was allowed to 12 to 14 weeks. Basically, the court in the second ruling and don't be that you had to allow exceptions for physical health, mental health, economic, health, and of the day. Operationally, the only limit on abortion in the United States.

The willingness of the doctor to take a lot of late pregnancy leave is not much protection for the baby's horrendous and hopefully this Mississippi law that will be examined by the Supreme Court this fall will make a big difference.

But let's let some of these countries because it's quite stunning to look at this five European countries limit elective abortion to 10 weeks gestation, including Croatia, Portugal, Serbia, Slovenia and Turkey. I don't know if any liberal pro-abortion activists have actually looked at the state and commented on it. But what you make that 10 weeks gestation. We don't want any weeks gestation allowed you know when it comes to killing children in the womb, but that's that's amazing. That's five countries limiting to 10 weeks. That's incredible all of European countries limit of them do have really limited to: our example that basically have been under great pressure from the European Union from the international content with the World Health Organization and other entity other than promoting abortion on request for quite some time, but what you haven't had that we've had a court intervention of the national court or international court to impose abortion on demand, even though the United nation nation has struggled over the minute you want that they were bad and shunted aside good leader and they nodded don't live under any world American people have ever voted for no more talking now 48 years of living under a created) record that earlier applied to the end of pregnancy when the child born that's right. So now those countries that allow 12 to 14 weeks gestation. As far as limiting elective abortions talk about some of those countries because they're not all the small former Soviet republics there some major European countries who fit into those particular categories through the limit between 12 and 14 week ship station after realizing that the European countries to find you patient a different way it can be from the lot menstrual. Or could be two weeks later, at fertilization, but the two that are between those two weeks are Austria and Italy, both of which are 90 day limit on elective abortion and in their 27 countries and we detail the will for your listeners peers reading them all day limit at a 12 week and this would be a majority of European countries looked at so that's three weeks more limiting than the state of myth is seeking permission to be that's really incredible. But you know eight countries. Also, as you found out don't allow elective abortion who would that all be in in that category of not allowing elective abortions.

Broadbent and Portlanders Great Britain and Finland and we when we did the analysis. We look at the statutes involved a great grid that somewhat permit all that they believe that even in statutory form. It requires a woman to have a reason and have two doctors to sign off on that reason. It can include social concerns, but like you were a woman the way no reason other than she's leaking.

The abortion is her right.

These are limiting factors that we would not classify Great Britain being in the remote liberal countries in Europe. 3/50 actually arguably had liberals United States the more liberal incredible, so a vast majority here of the countries that you looked at the areas that you looked at in Europe are are more restrictive on abortion law than we are in the United States, certainly in Mississippi. In particular, but no European nation allows elective abortion through all nine months of pregnancy.

So just on that point alone. It seems we have really good evidence on a lot of fronts, including scientific front to argue there is no way you should allow abortion thrall nine months of pregnancy, even for those who admire Europe so much, including some justices on the Supreme Court. What I mean how in the world can you look at this and say were the extreme ones when you look at the rest of the world. We have underscored in Charlotte. It filed a brief record in supporting the last week and our legal briefs dwelt on the side which we analyzed were very interested in the science of human development, and the truth is I would pay virtually every side development. Every medical advancement in the paradigm of revolution every invited to. We have into the amazing and explosive growth of the child will ever use of ultrasound to have a look into the woman he was going on every ability to treat children in the woman increasingly for medical condition.

All of them of come down on the in favor of life 1973, the Supreme Court with evil argue that viability with the latest 28 weeks loves you because you know babies are being treated for very serious medical condition prior to 20 weeks of the world. There also delivered a 21 week and just a little bit about that and with active treatment. They are surviving. And with fewer medical complications. So I left Roby way behind in our hope. And of course the court. Well, that's what were all hoping and praying for, because this is a very big case. In fact, one of the interesting things that the parole boards have been discussing is the fact that this could overturn Roe V Wade, do you think that that's a likelihood check. Are you confident at all that the Supreme Court would go to those links and actually say Roe is unconstitutional.

Am confident.

I think we court as conservative as it is, I think it taken carefully.

On the other hand, the question that the court's frame for which are limited on abortion before viability, which even now understood to be five or six weeks later, the Greek are hardly limit constitutional so clearly asked the right question and that they answer the plain and simple yes. The court left a mark out with the jury today is not a toilet hang on just a moment working to pause for a short break will be back with Chuck Donovan, president of the Charlotte Mosher Institute stay with us you listening to Janet Mefford today. This is Janet Mefford for Bible league international engaging the world with God's word for more than 80 years, believers in Africa are hungry to read their very own Bibles hear from Pastor Jeremiah in Zimbabwe. The church is clearly very fast in the north part of the country with speaking people to speaking people, and then you know we find that is the movement of the wood is the way the hunger is pretty much the support if you can imagine 10 Christians right now in many places in Africa.

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There also can be considering whether all pre-viability limitations on abortion are unconstitutional. Chuck Donovan is with us, president of the Charlotte leisure Institute, which is out with this great study showing just how conservative by comparison, Europe is when it comes to abortion law, in particular the lawn Mississippi you are saying Chuck before we went to break. When I was asking how confident you feel and the answer is not very about the likelihood of the US Supreme Court overturning Roe when it comes to a decision in this Mississippi case, but you were you were really stressing this idea that the week that there is a consideration here on limits on abortion before viability, and whether or not there constitutional can explain a little bit for listeners why that such an important consideration and in which way it is likely to go considering a lot of the scientific facts you guys have pointed out that have come up during the past 40 some years since the Roe decision came down sure well graded in the lobby after Roe V Wade basically said abortion is legal and dirt. The court did better. My apparent diversification he would hurt her calls quite a bit later on, Gonzalo.

The Carhart record that a ban on partial-birth abortion.

What you should know that I was elected by Congress signed a bill but Bush and the what the law abortion technique which involved removing the baby. Most of the way from the wall and then basically of helping the baby by opening the spinal column at the neck draining the baby brains away. I hate the description of the court recognized what the law states could outlaw outlawed and it was in Congress could and technique was in use before viability of the courted really for the prescription of this kind.so that production did not baby from being aborted. You could only do with why the right now with we've got an actual ban on the abortion of the baby is recognized and protected. So opening that up with. In fact, open up the holdings of Planned Parenthood versus Casey and Roby way it would be in the very thing it may lead to other limits which are also coming their way to the court right now like this. I believe it was pointed out that Mississippi's law highlights this conflict between the Roe ruling and the court's repeated affirmation in subsequent cases that states have a legitimate interest in limiting abortion and protecting vulnerable and innocent life from the moment of conception.

So that's what they're really going to be looking at what are the important considerations in this case and how do things like your study on what's going on in Europe and some of the science that you're bringing forward work forward in your amicus brief. How do you think those things will play into her could potentially plan to the justices ruling in this particular Mississippi case. Well, we deal with the question of law and international law provided by liberal tomorrow something that could affect you blog they were tweaking the liberals a little bit reassuring the conservative that they could be statute there upholding with a very common statute around the world. In fact, about the more liberal European nation, we will not be an outlier in fact were an outlier. Right now, with the radical policies so want to remind the court money out of the way through reason to limit on abortion but also while at the court know that the science of the unborn treatment that is taking place for you being treated for spina bifida surgeries being performed in the warm long-term benefit are as good short-term benefit through the baby. Babies are getting downhill treatment in the wall babies are surviving 67 weeks earlier than they did in the time of Roby way baby. The age of 15. We are promptly click blood 26 gallons of blood a day have the touch.

They may feel pain, which is a morally relevant consideration. All of these things suggest that we went off the rails with Roe V Wade, the world didn't follow-up for the court to back off. Let the people decide these issues well this is interesting.

Many people have commented on the fact that if Roe ever were to be overturned. It doesn't mean that all the sudden we have no abortion in the United States.

It would be a question thrown back to each individual state. If you have the court go in the direction of St. states do have this legitimate interest in limiting abortion. The question then becomes how much freedom does each state have to decide how much limitation can take place. You think that whole thing might play out down the road because there's so many states that are subduing so many different things, some good some bad. It you know many people are saying well if it's turned back to the states that it's going to become a mass this kind of thing your feelings on where this is headed potentially while we think big out there right now abortion pills in the United States generally published a report on every state.

Tabulation of their abortion data each year and what that tabulation shows 19 that the majority of states now have a chemical abortion happening in almost 3% of their total abortion drug that could be flooded into the market harder to regulate the abortion clinic would be, and the welfare of the abortion.

It is being very reckless in recommending abortion pregnancy using pills where there demonstrably not say so we have some concerns or not probably do think that at least 30 of the American patent will probably do everything they can to eliminate abortion within their borders and given some challenges in doing that, I think we'll have a lot of numbers have very low abortion method. Proper attention to supporting women in crisis pregnancy. We think they can make progress and if we protect baby percent of the United States. I would just call that a good source are and that is a really big challenge the telemedicine in the abortion pills because even if you outlawed, then you might have other states that have it you know it's legal and other states and women go to other states, but anything is better than Roe is in it. I mean what role his unleashed is beyond description. In terms of the loss of human life and particularly the wider respect for human life for standards for marriage for family quality think I picked up loaded great part allowed violence against the most vulnerable human beings in our knit and woodlot sacred life. That is not a shock that is spreading to the elderly to the handicapped over the lot.

Two decades including the abortion violence in our streets, abortion was promised was going to make every child a wanted child in every family economically secure. It had the opposite effect and I think there's a reason why the employee part of a culture of violence. If you will have taken over our country.

Yeah, you're right about that. All those empty promises we see how that's turned out, I thought it was interesting to that the Charlotte leisure Institute is out with this research on the claim that abortion is a normal experience for mothers do you have any you know insight as to why that narrative has been put out there when the statistics again don't back it up well and made it abortion is essential for the economic well-being of women that it opened career pathway and what we have found a series of three studies looking at 15 years of met McKay data for abortion. We found that abortion falls into a very different kind of pattern only 6% of women actually have abortion on Medicaid. 94% have children, but no abortion. What we found. The abortion begets abortion the woman a house one is likely to ask. Skip right to you sooner than a woman allows the child. Moreover, she is more likely to have a second or even third abortion so it's a cultural thing that perpetuates itself. It's not about building Family Court career know it is and that's really a shocking number less than 6% of the study population had both births and abortions. I mean yet again Chuck were seen the lies that come out of the pro-abortion movement in order to try to normalize abortion as a normal female experience when it's anything but in the 60+ million children were now missing testify to the lie that we we really been had, as a nation and it's time to turn things around were to work and pray. To that end, and they sure work toward that end of the Charlotte leisure Institute Chuck Donovan.

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