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May 18, 2022 8:30 am
Mike Zwick interviews special Guest Justin Knoop who’s had many Spiritual encounters that come with great stories of God’s power. For more "If Not For God" Follow us on YouTube and view footage of this episode.
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Your host Mike Zwick. If not for God with Mike Zwick. We've got Justin knew back on just Anubis absolutely on fire for Jesus Christ he's out there he's doing YouTube videos. He's sharing the gospel.
He's got small groups. I mean this man is absolutely on fire and knew I was looking at this we were talking about the gifts of the spirit and is this still for today. I was actually looking at Matthew 28 verses 19 through 20. And it says go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I've commanded you and low I am with you always to the close of the age. Leave it somewhere else where it says you do these things everybody can like you do not receive any opposition, and you have any problems know it's not about you is not a viable matter fact I was talking to Justin I sent you my show on the Facebook and one of the things that you said, as I said hey man, I've heard some good things about you.
I do remember what you said document yeah first was curious as I will. Who did you hear that from. But you know we get a lot of kickback and so sometimes probably on try to defend myself, but I'm like a we you know we we also get a lot of pushback to.
As well, but I can member exactly what I said something along the lines of, you know, I'm glad to hear that brother yeah there you we get a lot of get a lot yeah I will that I took as an encouragement to Mike. Thank you because honestly a lot of a lot of the people that want to want to reach want to let you know something they they want let you know the criticism and sometimes when you put yourself in the public public eye little bit you get more criticism. Yeah, I actually I send out my show to people at it and it's actually it's it's it's really encouraging. Sometimes like you know how to guide you said Mike that is so encouraging. I was doubting my faith and now I'm getting my faith that people say it's really good and then another response this morning and the guy said please die for us to know it but but when I read the Bible, especially the New Testament, Jesus said, he says they persecuted me, he says where they can do to you on so how do we respond to persecution. How do we respond to people not necessarily liking everything that were doing what you do to always edit perfectly, but I try to respond as the disciples respond in their response was to the Pharisees who were their main persecutors, not the world of the world. Remember it was the religious leaders that were shouting, crucify him, crucify him. We want Barabbas as were Pontius Pilate living in the world said, I don't see anything really wrong with this guy and and so how I respond. I try to respond is how the disciples respond and that is who are we to please manner God are we here please I have to bring myself back down to that point of asking myself, Justin, who what you do you doing this for you. It's a good question, I think, especially nowadays. I mean I think you know there was a time in America were was pretty easy to be a Christian and nowadays were getting a lot more pushback not only use not only me but people Christians in general mean you know if if we believe the word of God. We believe the Bible then your racist, your homophobe, your your all these things you because you simply believe the word of God. But you know what I was thinking about this the other day I was actually putting my son Christian to bed and I actually had a moment alone with with Christian about, but that he was going to sleep.
It was dark.
It was quiet and by the way, if you're listening to this, you need to have some quiet time. I believe you have to tie in time to hear from Laura. Especially if you're busy I would say like we are, but I felt the Lord speak to me. He says that you need to start thinking about having you need to start thinking about your destination. I so I got Revelation 21 right here only start verse one it says now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more see then I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband and I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, God himself will be with them and be their God, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying, there shall be no more pain for the former things have passed away. That's awesome. And when I think about headed and how wonderful it's going to be. I mean it.
It's absolutely awesome that were not there yet correct but one of the things you know it it one of my favorite quotes.
Actually, by CS Lewis.
He said that throughout the centuries of Christianity over the last 2000 years. He says the Christians who have done the most for this world, he said, so the Christians who what whether it was ending the slave trade like William Wilberforce or whether the Christians who stood firm in the Middle Ages were the early church when they were being persecuted. Whatever it was he says the Christians who are the most focused on heaven were actually the ones who did the most for this world.
That's right, he said the Christians who work the most focused on this world to the least for this world. That's right, he said payment heaven, and many times you get are thrown in as he says Amy earth, and you get neither. How do you keep an eternal perspective that's funny that you say that because actually woke up the other morning and I was I was feeling a bit discouraged and I woke up immediately with discouragement and I'm like I don't like this immediately went into the closet and I began to pray and I felt like the Lord spoke to me. There always hear from him like this. But he said where's your hope and all he had to say was that for me to recognize that I had some misplaced hope and I think that's where a lot of discouragement comes in is because it's very easy to get attached and focused on the things that are happening right in front of us.
The earthly things.
But we know and so it that led me into the, the book of Philippians and I began to read through that for multiple days in a row where it instructs us a fix your mind on heavenly things. Things that are good things that you like this. He gives us instructions on what to fix our mind on. I don't think it's just doing that because it's a good idea.
I think that the instruction in the Bible that Jesus knows that whatever we fix our attention on whatever effects our mind on is gonna really dictate how we live absolutely and I don't know if you're like this or not but I thought you man.
What I did when I get on the radio still have to sell insurance after three KS yeah, I got all this other stuff going on but and I said well on him to be exhausted on not have any time to do this, but it's interesting. The more that I get involved with the work of the Lord is heartless like the more energized I feel is right. You forget like that absolutely that's what drives me in the Bible encourages us to stay stirred up even the apostles when they wrote the letters they would say hey I'm not telling you this because you don't know it but I want to stir you up by way of reminder, so we see that, I think the early church stayed so encouraged because they were constantly seeing God move but a lot of people mistakingly think that just because your Christian gods automatically going to move thing is a misunderstanding of God's sovereignty because it's not that God can't move by himself that he can't do all these things by himself, but that he chooses not to, and so his instruction and his commandments are an invitation to pull us into this overarching story of sending out the message of Jesus Christ to the world by accompanying signs. He says hey I want to work miraculously through you is by my powers in my name, the disciples the apostles would never take credit for the miracles, but they understood that Christ wanted to work through them.
Yeah, you know, there's actually a verse in the Bible and up with me right now, but Jesus actually you know the that the disciples I think came back to Jesus. And when they were talking they they said hey Jesus, not to believe what happened yet you have, you know were casting out demons in your name yeah and you know all of these that you know were were able to work were were preaching and in these wonderful things are happening in Jesus actually says to them. He says yes.
He says you'll do that for you to cast out demons. You step on snakes. The other thing he says, but don't glory, and those things are, he says glory in the fact that your name is written in the attic of life in a cool thing wise is that if you continue to read that it it says that Jesus had great joy. He was excited to see so some people downplay thatyou don't focus on those things, like no Jesus was happy that they had that excitement, but he was giving them proper perspective, that is, he wanted to tell them. The purpose of what you're doing is so that people would ultimately be connected to me because the reason you're casting out demons is because there a hindrance to the relationship between me and that person you have a matter fact in in in. We all say hey we want to be a Christian. We want you know we want to be that you know I would be like the famous missionary or to be like the people in the Bible and I'm like a really you know that Isaiah. It's been said many historians agree on this that Isaiah the prophet was actually taken by was King Manasseh, and he was stretched out from between two trees and he was actually sawn and have to like okay you want that Peter was was crucified. I believe upside down is right you know Stephen the first mortar he was stoned to death yeah and it's like you know okay you say you want all these great things are that but do you do you realize sometimes what that entails.
And so I believe that Jesus tells us that before we decide to go to the ministry or before wheat. We know what hey, this is what we want to do actually tells us to count the cost, is that right that's right he does. And so Jesus would Jesus would give really hard teachings to people when they came to him.
So was it was a little bit different from our typical church services now to where were trying to break down for everything and make it easy and palatable for them to swallow right Jesus would say things like hey if you don't eat my flesh and drink my blood in there like Lord even even his closest followers came to them afterwards and they said that this is a hard teaching. Not only is this against the Jewish tradition. This is a hard teaching and he looked at them and this is his response. He wasn't like I'm sorry guys I was a little overboard. He said do you want to go to. I look at the stories on my Jesus what were you doing if you're trying to be popular you you were doing it all wrong. But he understood that he would literally filter people because there is a lot of people that were to be pulled in by the miracles and just what's going on. He wanted to know who the Holy Spirit was drawing and so he would give them something just difficult enough to where would turn away the ones with bad motives and the ones who are really interested would dry and and they say tell us more. And then he would break it down for me to it in one of the things I think especially with what with everything that's going on in the world right now. I think it's important we have to have faith we have to pray we have to do all these things and that hurts me recently say there's there's times where we actually have to have grit that right yeah absolutely Internet that goes back to what I said before, like, isn't it because you're a Christian, it doesn't mean that miracles are just gonna pop up everywhere right when Jesus came on the scene demons had existed right but we don't read a lot about deliverance or anything taking like that I can place like that in the Old Testament.
But what happens right in the beginning of Mark chapter 1 where where does Jesus but but the interesting thing was, is, where does he go where does he go to cast out demons center clock Mark chapter 1 it says there is a man sitting in the synagogue, probably a very civilized man, otherwise he would've been in the synagogue there when the left and there. This wasn't the garrisoning demoniac they sent him out of town this man was sitting in.
You know what you can consider church service and immediately this man begins to manifest because Jesus did something different than most Christians do today. He confronted the devil yes and it takes confrontation and exposure before something can actually be removed know if you have an infestation. Say you have a termite infestation in your house right. You have no idea that stuff is in there until you see a clue and then you peel back the wall but once you peel back the wall.
You're not gonna put the wall back on and be like. I will hopefully that'll work itself out. Your call. The exterminator you want this out of your house because eventually it's going to try to demolish your entire house. I think that's exactly what Jesus was doing when he stepped on the scene first.
John says the son of God was manifest for this, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
He had to expose them before he destroy them.
It actually says that the light shines. That's right in the darkness since right in the darkness will not overcome it. But it was interesting were talking about all the stuff demons and in healing the sick, and in all the stuff that the stuff that's in the Bible. I met a people sometimes that that that people don't always like it now yeah this is uncomfortable. That's why I mean you you can look at your why why why why are we not doing some of the things that are in the Bible. Now, well I think number one there's a stigma of certain things that people just I died.
I don't know enough about it, I haven't experienced it, so I just want you keep it keep it at a 6 foot distance, but the about the problem is, is it if you're if you're any study or of the Bible you're going to run into it. Listen to this. Most people don't know this but in the six synoptic Gospels Matthew Mark and Luke one third of the chapters speak about the casting out of demons, one third of the chapters so that's why scholars say it was literally one third of Jesus's ministry dousing to say Martina Mark chapter 1 Mark 139 says this this is this is practice is in EE and he went into their synagogues throughout all of Galilee, preaching and casting out demons, you know the hurt a guy not too long ago and he says if if everybody agrees with everything that you're saying.
He said that may not be such a good thing and I actually heard it was lender thing was Leonard Ravenhill who said this, he says if Jesus would've acted like most preachers act today. He said he never would've been crucified. Yeah things are either enemy, but began to think who was the offending. He was mainly offending the religious the people that thought they had it all together. I mean he calls out the Pharisees and they say they say to him, we hear will first of all, he tells them that their father is the devil, and like and then they turn in the like which we've never been in bondage to anyone.
He's like really, I mean literally Israel has been in unite in bondage to a lot of people. Babylon you different buddies like, but that they were they were just they they had such religious pride that they thought we could never be in bondage to anything and he's like will will that's why you're not experiencing this gospel truth. That's why the prostitutes in the tax collectors are entering into the kingdom, but sure being being turned away is because of that pride right there. We've never been in bondage to anything.
What about humbling yourself in single. Maybe. Maybe I am Lord, show me, and he will yeah and it's like some people I guess they think Jesus said that men avoided the light yet because the light will expose exposure their works. That's what I mean. That's what Jesus was doing. It's like why why why was he going around casting out demons. Was it because it was cool and he wanted us to do these cool things no because one of one of his one of his reasons for coming was to expose what the enemy was doing underneath the surface that there was an element where people were just refusing to believe, refusing to be obedient, refusing to listen then hey, there's this other element here and that is that we are in a war part Paul talks about this in Ephesians 6 Paul talks a lot about this. He doesn't use the specific language that we want him to use like is used in the Bible error in the in the Gospels, but he saying hey you're in a war not with flesh and blood.
So, don't focus so much on the flesh of flesh and blood, but with print spouting powers and rulers of wickedness, spiritual wickedness in and things like that. Just understand that there's something going on.
Also, underneath the surface that you can see with their physical, I you're funny is that yeah you know, one of the things that I've seen is that when you if you look at the movies and you know like the exorcist or whatever the movies that are coming out now if you watch the movie you almost think that the dark side is almost has more power than the light, but that's not true at all is not true at all.
Now tell you what is a great example of that is because the way we did ministry were not your typical family were dad goes on the dad goes off to minister and mom stays at home and raise the kids right our whole family is in it. Okay, we went on the mission field. Together we moved to Nepal and lived there together we minister together.
Our kids come with us and our kids of witness think that the most extreme cases, you you've ever seen of casting out of demons and guess what zero fear, my kids will get scared of a bad commercial that pops up before they get scared of a demonic manifestation or a demon speaking through a person. Why is that is because we are teaching them and training them that hey don't don't get all caught up in the manifestation of what this demonic spirit is trying to do what Satan is trying to do and not blow himself up like the movies and the movies they empower the demonic in real life. Deliverance is a public spectacle of Jesus's triumph over the evil powers so every time a deliverance take place. Our kids get more more confident that Christ is overcome. That's not even close to me. I actually watch the video.
There was a woman with a blonde hair who was sitting up into a bowl of lead when you cast out demons you you actually tell people to bring a bowl or something that I met mean they can you have a different manifestations and some people say you do.
They all look like that.
Are they all that intense will know there's various degrees of of what took place, but people he wanted to be a little bit more clean than it actually is. But if you look at the instances in the Scriptures, they were pretty intense and were just getting snapshots of those in the Scriptures remember. But even though the man that brought his son to Jesus. Like when Jesus called out this demon and threw them on the ground and he began foaming at the mouth. He cast it out and they think the boys dead. Are we comfortable with that, taking place in our church. Sure are we to civilize for that carpet yeah yeah yeah yeah Pastor Steve does what is carpet must've get it.
But no, it's interesting and it's that the Bible tells us either 365 or 366 times. Do not fear and heard a quote. It's by Dietrich Bonhoeffer yeah and he says that those of us who fear God, no longer fear men says, but those of us who fear men don't fear God is right thought that was good yeah it's amazing. I mean dumb for the one who can destroy the body. Both the body and so on. Elsa I think we need to have a proper perspective of our king of our king Jesus, and then we can look we can stare in the eye of evil we can stare in the eye of death, and I'm not saying that I've reached these points, but that's why we can look at the apostles and disciples and seek a person like Stephen is literally staring death in the eye and what is he do. He doesn't get to focus on the people around him. He looks up and he sees Jesus standing and is actually a correlation between what Jesus says on the cross and what Stephen says during his death he looks up and he says two things we says that he sees Jesus and he says he says father forgive them along the same lines confirm the exact words but they basically they don't know what they're doing and you stare death in the eye and the people that are killing you. How can you have the boldness to say father forgive them and then Lord, I commit my spirit to you, just as Jesus did on the cross that was because his focus was on Christ and he knew that the things around him were temporal but being with his king was eternal and he was willing to give up everything to experience that. Absolutely a minute and in the show that I did last week was talking about. Hebrews 11 it was having that eternal, eternal perspective, like were talking at the beginning of the show, but the verses that comes to mind is Hebrews 12 to yeah it says, looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross. That's right, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
You don't think about it Jesus you know he's King of Kings and Lord of lords. If he wanted to he could have come down here and he could take automated king.
I think they they wanted and they drive you why it could have done this completely differently and he he came as matter fact there there was a verse where Jesus says to me like follies like a really he's like the Son of Man doesn't have a place to lay his head.
He was homeless but believe that the reason why why people of been able to endure over the years is because they've had that eternal perspective favorite songs that I've been listening to this a lot lately. It says I have decided to follow Jesus, I have decided to follow Jesus, I have decided to follow Jesus, no turning back, no turning back. Though none go with me. That's right, I still will follow. Though no go with me. I still will follow the no go with me. I still will follow. No turning back, no turning back. That's right. The world behind me.
That's right even the perspective on Jesus the cross before me, the world behind me, the cross before me, the world behind me cross before me no turning back, no turning back. And so the last three minutes that we have here. There are some people right now who I believe are scared or scared by coded church there, scared it at the economy they're in there they're afraid of everything that's going on, into the world. What would you say to encourage the I would say just like we have already spoken about. If you're losing hope.
Remember, if there's fear, discouragement, you know the Bible says that Hope deferred makes the heart sick. I would sit back and asked the Lord where is my trust.
Where is my hope when my focusing on just the all throughout the New Testament that they'll be constantly pointing you towards an eternal hope, because faith is the substance of what and so right right right will if you don't have. If you're hoping in temporal things. If you're hoping in the things that you see around here you can be let down a lot you can live a life that is a constant up and down emotionally. Hope hope hope letdown hope hope hope letdown. But there is one thing that will never disappoint. That's Christ in his finished work so you focus on that and you take time. A lot of Christians don't do this, take time practically to dwell on eternity. Just picture yourself. Sometimes I do this in my own quiet time. Picture yourself standing before Jesus and them saying good and faithful servant component is that will eclipse every problem you have no do that on a regular basis and watch how your life changes and how it's driven changes in what you're willing to go through when you know in the corner of your mind.
This is what I'm doing it for. Remember, Jesus went to the cross because of the joy set before him, not because of what was at hand like that song in the things of the world will grow strangely dim. That's right, in the light of his glory and grace just were glad to have you back on and ask if you have a YouTube channel. That's right, it's on unshakable kingdom, yes. Funny you read Hebrews 12 if you keep going and Hebrews 12 urea little bit something about a kingdom that's being handed to us. That is a kingdom that cannot be shaken. That's actually I had a dream and that's the Scripture that the name of our ministry. I guess you can call it came out of his because we want the low, we believe the Lord is shaking off traditions that are hindering the body of Christ and all that will remain is the kingdom, which can never be shaken with all that the church is as a building building that you go to once a week. Then it's not really a lot of power in that when you go out to the world. What is as if it's true what Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you, then everywhere we go, were able to bring the church so just the minimum.
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