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September 1, 2021 12:00 pm
Mike is joined by his longtime friend Sharron Hungerford to discuss spiritual warfare.
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This is good Truth Network welcome to If Not for God stories of hopelessness that turn to hope. Your host Mike Swick. If not for God with Mike Swick. We have my good friend Sharon Hungerford back here again and she heard her son. Actually, Michael comes to our Bible buddies now and he is a true true disciple. He loves the word I she's got another son Chris is actually serving our country overseas right now and we appreciate all the soldiers and everybody who is serving our country, but I was glad to have you back but but today we wanted to start off with and I felt the Lord wanted me to share this with second Timothy chapter 4 nobody to be looking at the new King James version for a while.
This was my favorite chapter in the whole Bible because it really shows with the end results are in and how things can get tough, but in the end we went.
Here it is.
I charge you, therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom preach the word be ready in season and out of season, convince, rebuke, and exhort with all long-suffering and teaching for the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers and they will turn away their ears from the truth and be turned aside to fables happening in America today. Verse five but you, be watchful in all things indoor afflictions, do the work of an evangelist need to tell people the good news of Jesus.
Amen. Fulfill your ministry, and here it is. Verse six for I am already being poured out as a drink offering in the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought the good fight, I finish the race.
I've kept the faith. Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge will give to me on that day and not to me only, but also to all those who have loved his appearing in and if we love Jesus and Sharon.
I know you love Jesus and in the folks you're between them work we love Jesus were looking forward to that day of his appearing. But as you go on. It talks about some of the persecution that the polygon through Dimas who was an apostle actually left him. So many people left the faith, he said only Mark is with me so that that we do go through tough times and I know a lot of things that we've talked about is is I've had several prophetic dreams where Sharon I've seen that there may be a food shortage, there may actually be even a shortage of water on. There may be tough times that are coming and when I say may III really think they're coming but I'm just saying Mesa but but I really do think they're coming in and I think that we have to be prepared and in so Sharon your helping to helping to prepare people for the tough times that her head is at right. Yes, it has a main I think we need to be spiritually prepared first and you know all the disciples were under heavy persecution. In the end.
And to think that it's not gonna be that way when we're facing. I believe the coming of the day of the Lord. I'm not saying it's gonna happen even in my lifetime or my children or grandchildren adopt.
I don't know that that I do believe that God is telling the bride to get ready I do and you know it's interesting that you say that I know what you're saying. I think it's coming soon. I do it and I could be wrong but it seems like all of the signs.
All of these things that the Bible has prophesied the coming true today.
I mean it. You know, one of the things that we were talking about before is that for so long, Christians have been told it, you know, this is how your life is getting better you become a Christian, God cannot bless you. He's in a bless you financially what you have this that the other and and and all that stuff and I do believe that God wants to bless us and also promises us in. In other verses as well that you know you look at you look at Philippians chapter 1 verse 29 it says Britt is been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for head so just because were Christians does not mean our life does not mean our life is good to be easy and I know many times when were talking about this and listen. There are some people on the Truth Network or whoever in it and there's different opinions on this, who say it's pretrip and wrong to be out here before it gets bad but you and I think we will.
We may be around for some bad stuff. Is that right absolutely.
I believe this time I believe I am birthing pangs right now. But as and when we hear the word tribulation and and persecution that I believe it some refinement of like a refining fire that were going to have a baptism on the hull of the Holy Spirit by fire and that it is like God being the silversmith in and removing the draws from the church if the church, the church will make herself ready and said it's very clear in Revelation 19, seven that and says in the bride has made herself ready and how an art bridal attire is going to be the righteousness of Christ and main where gonna wear. It's about putting on his righteousness. It's about winning his return to come back coming it's gonna look like the Garnet vein but the difference between the garden of Eden and what's happening is that Jesus himself has won our freedom and victory. So if we have we had eaten of the tree of life after we had sand way would have been in that permanent state of sand.
But Jesus has given us that freedom.
And so it's gonna be perfect. It is can be perfect and in we were.
They were looking a little bit earlier this morning at Ephesians 2, and what people always look at is Ephesians 2 verses eight and an eight through nine. They look at and it says, for by grace you have been saved through faith and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
And so were good Protestants right where were you know, we believe that were saved by grace through faith in and that's it and that we can earn anything whatever I do believe that there is a verse in there that a lot of people leave out, and it says in verse 10 for we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them to it saying that we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works were not saved by our works because were saved were going to want to serve others were going to want to serve the Lord working one of tell people about Jesus working more to help people find spiritual battle spiked unified by the spiritual warfare and I know you do that absolutely. And you know where our sins are forgiven and it's our works that were judged on yes and and so, but we were Jesus came to undo the works of the devil. Yes, and so where did the same thing with our works and it's very important yeah we we we have to in one of the things you know we have our friend John Perry here is he's actually he plays basketball with the Truth Network and he's got a his website and its baller nation, and you can find that on Facebook. So if you get a chance to check that out. We may put a video up there as well because he's he's taken this video, but you know it's interesting I think for so long in our world and in the way that we live we've always seen it as we go to church. The preacher preaches and then that's it. That's his job. The preacher's job is to preach and that's the end of it.
I know what the Lord woke me up several years ago with that were that it doesn't have to end there it, that's not the end-all be-all.
That's not that shirt that is part of it says in Hebrews chapter 10 verse 25 it says do not forsake the gathering of yourselves as some of them have done on but in addition to that word says in the Ephesians 210 where it says that we were created to do good works were created for works.
Jesus actually even said it himself.
He says let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father who is in heaven and show here's here's another problem here's were some of us get stuck. Here's were some of us have a tough time is that were sitting here and were saying. I want to do all of these good works and I want to tell everybody about it. I will put it on Facebook and Instagram everywhere else because I mean if everybody doesn't know about. It will then it's not really that great. Jesus actually said himself. He says when you give with one hand. Don't let the other hand know what the one hand is doing, so that your works may be done in secret in your Father, who sees what is done in secret will reward you openly and so one of the things that I've seen in my life sure is that sometimes it's like I gotta make sure that I'm doing the right things for the right reasons because sometimes we can do the right things for the wrong reasons. In other words, I can sit here and say I would have to show every week so that everybody will look at me and look at how great I'm doing and I'm such a great Christian stuff like that. If I say that I'm missing the point on do you do you find sometimes that people can be doing all of the right things but if they're doing it for the wrong reasons can cause problems absolutely causes problems, naval watching patient does looking at herself and judging herself and and God never meant for us to judge ourselves center and and I think about the great commission go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned and these signs will follow those who believe in my name they will cast out demons will speak with new tongues, they will take up serpents and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them.
They will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover and to pay about doing all of these works which we are in unit one of the things that I've seen and I'm sure you've seen this to you. Example when I first started selling books.
I would sell books door to door and and sometimes the hardest part about me selling books or knocking on the doors was the thought process before I did it once I went ahead and knocked on that door and I started talking to people. I realized it wasn't that tough.
Another example of something that just happened to me recently.
I go out and when I'm selling life insurance I got and all share the good news of Jesus Christ not been doing it for so long it seems to be pretty easy to me.
I love to do it.
I get joyful so many good things happen from but I realize when I'm not in that situation if I'm out at the gym or father out of the pool from out of the grocery store I will say anything and I'm thinking to myself why am I doing it in one situation, not another into what it is is it's this fear. It's this fear that I have a gosh it's can be so bad when you know what happened the other day Sharon, is that I was at the pool and something I just Holy Spirit told me this.
This lady walked by and she said my back is hurting and I said I was scared. I said what I believe in the power of prayer, and she says me to an end. So I said is what you name Ruth or whatever was and I prayed for her and she said Mike when you prayed that prayer for me. I felt it in my back. Oh my gosh, what a blessing but you know what it sometimes we can talk ourselves out of doing these things and we could say it's can be awkward. We don't want to talk to this person or knocking on the hearers or whatever, but from what you've told me that the stories that you have of spiritual warfare.
Would you thought double face-to-face. What were that it's like individually was in that that we can do this I think was one of the stories that you set right right. I remember when I first learned learning about spiritual warfare was bargaining with God is that I believe demons are out there, but I don't want to say and and he probably laughed and then the first thing I saw was this black spot floating through my house and I saw a/white/and I knew it was the angel sword just getting rid of the demon on and him to do anything and I saw God.
He just ages show me that's nothing to be afraid of, and so that have had numerous stories.
Not sure which ones you're thinking that I believe it you know will give you an example as well. I think told this before but I was in a sit was living in RSI Greensboro and one day I committed to said it was a session at the and all of a sudden the this shot the fireplace started to open and close in the natural, it was impossible because it was locked and was close. What could it move but it started to move and I could feel the demonic presence that was in there and then the person that I was with the sick God forgive me God forgive us, and in so as soon as that person said that it just it just all stopped and so it's it's you know I think sometimes we think that this is really hard that was perfectly tough but you know your friend Joel Joel Isley.
One time I actually heard him say he said there's a battle between good and evil, and he says and Jesus wins the battle and he says you don't have word says it's not close.
Now it's not even close. Definitely not.
He wins anyway can read the end of the pack he wins and you know I've shared my story about this young man again that tried to kill me with the knife was hearing demonic voices and that Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus decent stasis haze stood in front of me as a shield. We had prayed that he be our shield rear garden will far and he was and we've had people in our counsel counseling time that the enemy had just taken it seem like taken over. You would've thought they were possessed but they weren't possessed and slither on the floor like a snake would have to earn over like a rotisserie yes we just had a belief saying God I might let it change was our prayer life and God wants us to pray his word. This is the greatest spiritual warfare that you can do is when we take his word and read it back to him being an intercessor is like being a secretary or watching over his word and they were reminding him and so when I'm praying alone. A lot of times I'll take his word and off-site guide to even make this promise, this is what you've promised to your people and I pray a lot for Israel say save your people tells us not to give him rest day or night until Jerusalem becomes a praise in the earth, and that's that lets you make that happen is when Jesus returns, and so and he is returning absolutely is returning he is returning and so and I'm waiting as the bride so you don't one of the things I love about you is that if the Lord speaks to you and tells you to do something you listen it. I realize this little while ago I was praying, talking, and talking Lord and I realize that it's not that God doesn't always speak to us.
It's just that sometimes God speaks to us and tells us to do something and we don't want to do that and and listening for his voice. Most people don't even expect God to say something to spend he is waiting on us to hear and and that's the thing and just being aware, I have time to hear his voice and it's he's my companion. I may haze I will live to hear his voice and that so important. We need to just listen and he does want to speak to you so if you're thinking wrong thoughts as forgiveness and expect to hear from him.
If there's an old song and it says Jesus paid it all, all to him I owe sin had left Crimson stain, he left he made it white as snow. And so one of the great things to her talking about how God forgives us, or persons you know the devil has come to destroy, to steal to kill and he wants us to think he wants us to.
He tries to remind us of the things that we've done in our past, but in the Old Testament it God actually says.
He says I will forgive your sins.
And I will remember them no more. So if he's telling us that he's not even get remember our citizens after we asked for forgiveness and if we repent, even if somebody else is sinned against us. And they asked for repentance were really not even supposed to remember their sins half you know if he's not remembering our sins.
Why should waiting and actually I think it grades the Holy Spirit at about the work that Jesus purchase for sins and that really makes my heart to think that I will agree God because I didn't believe Christians greatest sin is unbelief causing fear and unbelief. I would say are probably to two of the greatest sand spit and and if we need to be on our knees and on the floor.
It's over. Not believing God is who he says he and he is who he says he is one of the things that were talking about before the before the show started. Is there was a guiding G. Campbell Morgan. He was famous Christian for the late 1800s and early 1900s, but his. There was while he was so close to his daughter, and they would go on walks, they would spend time together this that the other and all the sudden for about three months there. He just wasn't he wasn't seeing her as much.
She wasn't spending as much time with them whatever and then he had a birthday, and she said dad a surprise I got I got to something and he said he she gave him the slippers that she knitted together and he said this is great. He said wanted to see sister. The slippers took you three months to make and she said how do you know that and he said because for the last three months you haven't really spent any time with me and you haven't you haven't seen you haven't done any of that. He says listen. He says I appreciate you giving me the slippers, he said, but I would rather that you will you would've spent time with me and bought me a pair of slippers. How important is it, Sharon, and I know you see this, how important is it for us to spend time in prayer. Spend time in the word spend time alone with God.
Because yes, I know it's important for us to do works and feed the poor and to do all these other things but could also be important that we don't leave our first love, absolutely. If you're engaged, what you want to be doing.
You want to be spending time with the person you're engaged to you want to be talking you want to be listening. You want to learn who they are and that's why God says you've left your first love coming. He wants our time, God's all about family haze of he's a family man. He puts the lonely in families and Psalms.
You know, and it it's he loves us. He wants our time. He does more time and you know the you were talking about hearing his voices says Susan John of strong tenants is much John 1014, I believe it says my sheep hear my voice.
We are spiritual beings. God is spirit, and those who worship him, worship him in spirit and truth. We don't see ourselves as spiritual beings.
I don't believe him at we need to work toward that because that's how we worship God, and he does speak to six is not usually an audible voice. It's usually us still small voice that we hear him and we have thoughts and the thoughts either come from God. They come from ourselves or they come from the enemy and and so we need discernment to learn where these thoughts are coming from. So it's God want he's waiting for us to hear him. He tells us to hear his voice, and you know it's interesting I heard Pastor Chad years ago.
He gave an illustration give a story where there was a whole bunch of noise and everybody was talking in the church. He said get rollout and what happened was, was he said so he whispered something and nobody could hear what he said and then he said do the same thing and he said there there was a young man who he spoken to his ear when he was done he said I want you to tell everybody what I just said and he and the young man was able to hear it because he spoke right into his ear and he took the time to actually listen to him were knocking me.
All of the distractions the world to keep going on the news is good to keep coming on others to be all these things that are trying to take place of God. You know, take the place of God it in sports or it can be any distraction at all. Whatever it is nothing any of those things are bad, but I do also believe that unless we take time to be quiet and we take personal time to say, hey, no matter what, to take this time I don't know maybe it could be a month at the beach. Sharon had a wonderful well two weeks at the Outer Banks but the Lord told me to stop being busy and to get away and seek his voice and I didn't realize how tired I was some in battle a lot and that just the rest.
The walks on the beach and I met a young woman on the beach just she was Marcella Blessed are you by yourself in and she just poured out her heart. To me, and then after it was over and I said can I pray for you and so we prayed after it was over. She said I saw you coming and I said I'm not going to pour my heart out to this Holy Spirit was already operating in a season but it was exactly what I needed an insight God knew that he had this divine appointment and that's what he does. He has divine appointments for us and we just have to be alert where to be.
That is what that watchman that he's called us to be to be alert to be available and you know for thinking about herself and just not being alert. We miss those opportunities but praise God. You know I had that opportunity in and it just changes it had to be used by God. What greater gift is there. Yeah me other than yeah when you say that it says a greater love no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends and so we are grateful to Jesus Christ for laying down his life for us and that Sharon and you know this is that it says in Scripture that all we have to do is believe for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. Maybe if you're listening today. You've never given your life to Christ he never said yes to Jesus asking right now just to pray with us, Lord forgive me of my sins on the center. I have turned away from you, Lord, but I give my life to you, Jesus.
I accept you as my Lord and Savior.
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