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August 25, 2021 12:00 pm
Mike continues his conversation with Pastor Dana Coverstone.
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Stories of hopelessness that turn to hope. Your host Mike Zwick. If not for God with Mike Zwick and today we have Pastor Dana cover stone back for the second.
This is super exciting pastor Dana cover stones out of Brooksville, Kentucky.
He's a pastor of Assembly of God Church, and he's the one who's known for having the many dreams and now he's doing conferences and and just speaking to people and and really just has that the, the, the prophetic voice out there. We really appreciate him standing on the word of God standing for truth today were actually to be looking at Revelation chapter 2 and if you got your Bible start in verse one we be going to verse 11 on the reading from the new King James version says to the loveless church to the angel of the church of Ephesus write these things says he who holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands. I know your works, your labor, your patients, and that you cannot bear those who are evil and you have tested those who say that they are apostles and are not, and if found them to be liars and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for my name's sake and have not become weary. Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love. Remember therefore from where you have fallen, repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place unless you repent. But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicollet attends, which I also hate. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches here is to him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God into the angel of the church of the church in Smyrna write these things says the first and the last, who was dead and came to life. I know your works, tribulation, and poverty but you are rich and I know the blasphemy of those who say that they are Jews and are not but are a synagogue of Satan. Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. That's good America that's good. Check that out.
Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation for 10 days before faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death in Dana pastor Dana, I believe, about a year ago you had a dream about Christians who are in churches and then there were wolves that were coming in that right. It might have will divide up figure in black and they would and correct will write out the word method that will and late check know what blanking about the message and they would begin to rub up against the people and get them and all the people preaching that were praying people around the these people began the back began to yell opening set up that and basically local church we realized that the church over the method and the last left it. One guy was talking about a conversation about search and a member back to year where open the meeting and that Rob know you think that the people with the help of God concerning the wet balls and left the doctors. The demon looked at me all let out demonic and and you don't know the word of everything. I left Wellsville that the believer word down the word are going to pay the fight not compromise the last one that I have all the hate mail the excesses that the bank there and that the word up my butt and get people out of work at the ground, ignoring neglect or stick their own window will not believe there is a little bit here more and more like the last weekend of her alerts to prevent with the back but on what would take our mapping file barn and that will happen your bill go now.
Some of the people that are coming out only a large group of people who are not mandate ugly and aunt Beverly Bossert were being talked about those people come out though the persecution. The walls are out and you know the don't understand it, don't grip it and that we gotta be what song faithful and realizing all but but but I would probably spiritual forces of darkness on the note we have we are not really aware that the workers going on unaware their lives in the Wartburg mongers believe we need the body right to you armor I divided by the body infected field. They walked in the battle.nation absolute that's a good point in looking at Revelation 22 right now. Verse 18 it says for I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book.
If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book. If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the book of life from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book and what I think about that II think about the story and I don't know if you've heard of Charles Templeton, Dana, but I think the story of Charles Templeton. He was a preacher who used to preach with Billy Graham back in the in the 40s and and they said at that time Charles Templeton was a better preacher than Billy Graham will what happened was, was eventually Charles Templeton started to doubt the creation he started to doubt Genesis chapter 1 that God created the heavens and the earth, Adam and Eve and all of that and and I like our friend Pastor Chad Harvey said he was also an Assembly of God.
He said that if you if you're telling me that that's not that important creationism.
He says to me tell you something he said if you start to doubt Genesis chapter 1. There's going to come a day where you doubt John 316, and we can pick and choose what you want to believe it was really interesting article right before a Charles Templeton passed away it was in 1999. He did it did a did interview with Lee Strobel who did the case for Christ. The case for faith. All that stuff that the movie came out, but what happened was, was Lee Strobel was interviewing him and during the whole interview we we was telling all these things in and Charles was explaining all the reasons why he did not believe the gospel, and why was all fake. While was true. I believe it anymore. All of a sudden towards the end of the conversation, Lee Strobel asked Charles Templeton and how do you assess this Jesus, it seemed like the next logical question but I wasn't ready for the response would evoke Templeton's body language softened. It was as if he suddenly felt relaxed and comfortable in talking about an old and dear friend. His voice, which at times had displayed such a sharp and insistent edge now took on a melancholy and reflective tone. His guard seemingly down.
He spoke in an unhurried pace, almost nostalgically, carefully choosing his words as he talked about Jesus. He was Templeton began the greatest human being who was ever lived. He was a moral genius.
His ethical sense was unique. He was the intrinsically wisest person that I've ever encountered in my life for my teachings, his commitment was total and led to his own death, much to the detriment of the world. What could one say about him except that this was a form of greatness, Lee Strobel said I was taken aback. You sound like you really cared about him. I said Charles said will yes he is the most important thing in my life came his reply. I II he stuttered, searching for the right word. I know it may sound strange but I have to say I adore him everything good. I know everything decent. I know everything. Sure, I know I learned from Jesus, yes, yes and tough just look at Jesus. He castigated people. He was angry. People don't think of him that way but they don't read the Bible. He had a righteous anger he cared for the oppressed and the exploited.
There's no question that he had the highest moral standard, the least duplicity the greatest compassion of any human being in history there have been many other wonderful people. But Jesus is Jesus, but know he said slowly. He's the most he stopped and then started again. In my view, he declared.
He is the most important human being who has ever existed. That's when Templeton uttered the words that I never expected to hear from him if I may put it this way. He said as his voice began to crack.
I I miss him without the tears flooded his eyes. He turned his head and looked downward, raising his left hand to shield his face for me. His shoulders Bob as he wept. Templeton fought to compose himself.
I could tell it wasn't like him to lose control in front of a stranger.
He sighed deeply and wiped away a tear. After a few more awkward moments.
He waved his hand dismissively. Finally, quietly, adamantly adamantly. He's insisted enough of that.
The interview was over and so what I what I've learned and what I've seen in my life is that we we say that atheists or people of the Muslim religion or another religion may be the most unhappy people in the world. Maybe that's not true. Maybe the people who were the unhappiest people in the world who wants Christians who once knew the love of Jesus and how it was to be close to Jesus and then have turned away as it talks about second Peter chapter 2 dog returns to his vomit but one of the things when I read the story about Charles Templeton, Dana.
It reminded me of the dream that you had with the wolves. Were you said the thing that you remembered in your dream was that it wasn't the Muslims were coming against Jesus.
It wasn't the people who are always atheist. It was the people who may have grown up in the church and you weren't listening. They were the ones who were coming after the Christians is that right exactly ready to get out by your standard mandate that they know I will.
I will and will describe the moment plot the rich young ruler, you have done all the people that I'm not gonna tell pick up my cross and follow by you on top my life and even one I'm starting to going through the time of the art, amplified, and that it will eat it with me now with everything else out in the Lord of the debate creation. All the everything that we do not God's word.
We believe we know if we don't look the reason you said it. Because you will become a tree questionable you have to do and that became the line causing notes then enter the world.
It hurts the planet and that all but the persecution of I would like to help our family. We do not have the thing mandate. We don't want to come up with, and I'm already starting to get online. The third thing thing thing will be divided over living divided over know what we believe a lot of information out there and and find working overtime to divide up is working overtime to delude all benefits. One is already here, including in that delusion in our culture is also in our care. They will back out.
Love the headline there are indicators of where we beat headline that my .95 and if there's other people have no idea church is where the doctors been compromised in the document compromise is no wonder that people don't have But nonetheless we as believers know and redefine need to be living a lie and make an basically ill be faithful, like he was named Kevin make even if it even if it and that your people about. I think that the words of the Lord America right now. Do not fear what about the faithful to him will be die based on that will make it different than what it will be a watching world. Watching a response on how and he asked getting fell on Fox's book of martyrs.
Yet yet we put back arched up back at the price point ourselves back at the have to be done by glorifying God exalted the push on the different than the one that's writing you know, one of the things I was thinking about because there is there are a lot of good things going on. We we heard about August 7 and that's probably how you heard about were report Linda NT for came to a group of worshipers and they took their equipment and they threw it into the river and were spraying them down with only know what basically harassing them, and in one of the things I heard in that first video was. They said to the Christians where is your God now and you know it kind of reminds me of a story of a guy that grown man in his his young son had a very bad sickness. I believe it was cancer and he when his his son ended up passing away and the guy was a Christian and he knew that he was not supposed to question God or be angry at God, he said. But one night he got so angry and and he started to shake is for God and he said God where were you when my son died and he said he felt in his spirit. The Lord speak to him and he said I was at the same place I was when my son died and Jesus said, a servant is not above his master. He said if they persecuted me on the right to do it to us right right right and bring the gospel to break up forgot to bring people were dying with the standard of the work God told that going to happen. The apostle that God told that it was a profitable old happen, but we should be quiet but are allocable that right. We need to have it not right by the faithful no matter what, so you and Andrew, one of the one of the disciples of Jesus prison when he was when they were carrying him off to be to be crucified. He they were taking him to the cross and he saluted the cross and he said I've been waiting for this day for a long time and they said when he was on the cross. They date the they killed very slowly or from what I've heard he was on there for two days he was preaching to the people who was preaching to the people who were crucifying it.
When Jesus was on the cross. One of the things that he one of the things that he said to to his father.
He said father forgive them for they know not what they do and so when it when an unbelieving world when they see us respond with love to the people who were persecuting us. They say that I'm miserable. I don't have this.
I want the same piece that you guys were talking about August 7 were the what happened in Portland when you didn't want people didn't hear that was on August 8.
The very next day that another worship group there a guy who came in to town and people who were in NT 5 were getting saved people who were on the streets were throwing their heroin needles and on the ground, throwing their cigarettes and I give all this up and I want to choose and I want to follow Jesus. So in the midst of all the bad stuff. There's a lot of good stuff and I told you earlier this morning. The word I felt like the work the Lord in your word and it said it was from not a Christian, but it said it can be the best of times and it can be the worst of times and so yes there there is to be a lot of rough stuff there is to be a lot of that stuff, but the Lord is getting moving as well and and I know you said that sometimes the that the best way for there to be revival is persecution because work we have to show our true colors and yes there are to be the colder to get colder, but hot get hotter and in and we talked about a little bit wanted to get to this verse in verse four nevertheless I have this against you, in Revelation 2 that you have left your first love and pastor Dana. There was a there was a psychologist to use the talk to pastors and he said when he saw pastors who would fall morally. Whether it was through adultery or embezzlement about whatever it was he said there were two things that they always did that always happen. No one they stop reading the Bible and number two, they stop praying. But what you think it means to leave your first love in it, and if if somebody's left their first love. Would it mean for them to come back and made you walk one block away right you become a Christian and you begin your thinking good thinkers think your attitude and anything about the gospel.
The gospel is one that limits sprout wrote about the that picture of me basically that we get weekly detectors on the bottom line with the brand. People are so slick fellowship for God.
When we do stop and I own ideas, our own ability. The problem is a big problem, one thing personal real estate will things are good.
People are happy people are having major difficulties with the goal of the that the not a bit better days in a row. I II that is and after a week on back down for normal a lot of time being it easy and that the commitment from the beginning okay but I think my life and my hope is something in the heart need to come back to back away left their first love big big not be willing to admit I walked away got them. I think Bell of understanding that I walked none always made you that we have to recognize that we have abandoned our sometimes I think even that mean public or private, but the book but my my faith in myself and wait to let Dr. and get back to you were at the baked it, faith is more like obedient little thing that we really have faith and obey, walk and we found no God forgive you. Getting back up the Bible right off the back up and alert the right minute. What we stop getting up the he basically said my first love Amy due to fulfillment is that of fun though. That's where that daily. Plan on balance the body by lottery.
Last year, Obama will never come back and understand what happened but also that many the check though the first love but anything in marriage, you still have to love that person no matter what happened on, the better the better. Whatever I have now been out and that I have to ask you, but will not give it work. The morning and your wife very, very close to get that that time that I got it made a big thing you do that in marriage you you know I love you. Why you got what the situation, and that has to be realized that life of your life that you get that going. You know our life. You is we can we were running out of time and often is with the verse verse five remember therefore from where you have fallen, and I think that's a dirty word in America for a lot of people repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you weekly and remove your lampstand from its place unless repent and so you still have time to repent, but we have a whole lot of time so pastor Dana, thank you so much for coming on again and hope to see against love you. Thank you. Imagine having these turbulent times. Peace of mind may be the most valuable Obama feeling secure your financial future is worth its weight in gold and liberty bankers insurance can help provide you with that most precious life-affirming sense of security. We work hard to create smart and innovative like health and financial plans that help ensure your family. If not, trust, stability, certain desire to create a generational legacy of peace of mind liberty bankers insurance. Not all products available in all states as Adobe IG.com for additional terms and conditions. This is the Truth Network