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And from the stage, like somebody shared vulnerability of these are the things he's struggling with. And this is clearly a strong man of God. And we didn't have as many campers as we normally—they're boot camps, so we call them campers—but they're wonderful men of God. And what was interesting is it made it a much more intimate group and a much more vulnerable group because of the intimacy. And there were some really cool people there. And so, Mike, one of those guys shared something with you that literally, from your standpoint, if it was worth the price of admission, if you didn't get anything else other than what this gentleman shared with you. And it was so cool.
He actually sent me a—it was a little card he gave me. And on this card, it says, you have entered the enemy's camp to tear down his strongholds. The fighting will be intense at times. Our victory is sure in and through Christ.
It says invading the enemy's camp, exclamation point. I mean, that's what we want to do. We say that we want to do that. But then when we face opposition, you know, are we sure that we really wanted to do this? You know, it's like—but Ephesians 6, 10 through 12, it says, finally be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Or 2 Thessalonians 3, 3, but the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen you and protect you from the evil one. 2 Corinthians 10, 4 through 5, the weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world.
On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments in every pretension that sets itself against the knowledge of God. And we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 1 Peter 5, 8 through 9, be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kinds of sufferings. James 4, 7, submit yourselves then to God, resist the devil, and he will flee from you. And in Romans 8, 37 through 39, know in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. And I see in the times of the Bible where that Jesus had these great victories, and we can see, you know, from doing this show or from witnessing to other people or sharing the show with people, whatever we're doing, sharing the good news, we have these great victories. But in the midst of those great victories, a lot of times we have stumbling blocks, we have people who are trying to fight against what we're doing, and it almost makes me wonder, Robbie, if we're not getting any opposition at all, maybe we're doing something wrong.
I don't know. What do you think? I think you're on a roll, man.
There's no doubt. There's something that you repeated time and again as you go through those verses. You know, I find it very near and dear to me because when I actually pray the Lord's Prayer, I kind of emulate this in my own mind because there is an open war.
You have an enemy, and he is coming against you, but the thing of it is is that he's also coming against everybody you know, right? And so what we offer in the gospel is this relationship with Jesus. And so when you look at the word stand, one of the first places that you find it is in Exodus 8 20. So this concept of standing, and what actually, how would you like this as a job, you know, from God? He says, God says to Moses, I want you to go stand before Pharaoh. Okay, now think about this a minute. Now Moses had murdered a guy, right? He's 80 years old.
You know, you want me to go do what? And God tells him to go stand. But Moses, fortunately, knew how to read Hebrew, okay? And he knew that the word stand in Hebrew is really, really a significant thing because what it looks like, if I can take you the picture of it, is God's hand, okay? So God's hand is coming down to grab yours, and when you grab his hand, he imputes his righteousness to you because the second, the first letter is a yud, which is God's hand.
The second letter is a zaddik, which is God's righteousness. So when you take his hand, when you take Jesus' hand, guess what you are? Righteous.
You're taking a nail's card hand. And so as you're holding that, you are now been imputed Christ's righteousness. So Moses, you ain't standing there alone. You're not going to have to stand in front of Pharaoh without me.
You're not going to have to take on the people that are coming against you or the forces that are coming against you alone. You're standing there with your hand up, taking hold of Jesus' righteousness. Now that third letter, which is absolutely beautiful from my perspective, that really helps me in this, is a bet. And what a bet is, it means house. But it really means you have the home field advantage.
Okay? Like, you're a Duke fan, right? Like, where you do not want to play basketball is in the Duke dome, right? I mean, if you're the opponent, you'd much rather play it when you have the home field advantage because in the Duke dome, man, things get loud in there, from what I've heard. Yeah.
And Cameron indoor stadium. Yeah. So when you think about it, that when you remember when the woman was caught in adultery and Jesus said to her, you know, woman, where are your accusers?
She was on the home field advantage, right? Because you're when, when you're with Jesus, right? You're in the kingdom.
Yeah. I mean, you're literally in the kingdom and you have the home field advantage. So now not only do I have a hold of God's hands, not only do I have his righteousness, but I also have the home field advantage.
Now, when you read Ephesians six, it says, you know, your battle is not against flesh and blood. It's not against, you know, I had a dispute with my neighbor over where the grass was to be mowed. And this went on for about six months. You know, there's a strip of grass between Robbie's house and my neighbor's house.
And my wife was like, you need to go talk to him. Right now was my battle against my neighbor. No. Okay.
No, my, my, my battle was against the spiritual force that did. No, he needs to get, I can tell you exactly where the property line is here. I don't need to mow his grass.
That was Robbie's excuse. Okay. My wife kept being the voice of the Holy spirit to me, Robbie, you need to go talk to him about, yeah.
And you know, I get along really good with my neighbor now. Yeah. And I credit completely the Holy spirit because that battle was not against my neighbor. Right.
It was against spiritual forces. And when, when Jesus has your hand and he's telling you you're righteous because of him, it's okay to be wrong. That's right. You know what I'm saying? I actually, I still believe I'm mowing his yard when I mow that. You had to throw that in there. But I really do, but it's okay because that isn't what's really, really way more important than that strip of grass or my effort to have to mow that whatever really is how would I ever share the gospel with my neighbor?
If I, you know, if, if we're going to stay in this dispute over the stupid, you know, little patch of grass, I mean, it's just, however, it's extremely practical to me. And, and absolutely beautiful when it comes to, will I enter in now my good friend and producer and you know, Beth Ann. Great lady.
She is a great lady. Her sister apparently is a counselor and she has this saying that says, you know, in order to get out of something, you have to go through it. So that meant that as bad as I did not want to go talk to my neighbor about this grass situation, because, you know, I was along the lines of he'll get over it, he'll mow it, you know, and that grass kept getting taller and taller.
My wife was like, really? You go to church and then, and then you just mow the grass. But the only way I got through that, right, I had to go to, I mean, I had to go into it with him and begin to deal with it.
And as a result, wow, I mean, I sleep a lot better at night knowing that my neighbor's not mad at me over that grass. Yeah. I mean, one of the things that I'm thinking of is when you're talking about this is that, you know, is so many times in life, and this is what we were talking about before is that you just have to keep going. You have to persist.
You have to go through it like you were saying. Back in 2007, September of 2007, Brett Favre, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, broke the all-time record for touchdowns, threw for 421 touchdowns past Dan Marino. A few weeks later, he broke another record. You know what that was?
Most interceptions. I remember when I first started selling bookstore to door the summer before, I would talk to my student manager, Kevin Johnson, and he said, Mike, he says, who's the leading scorer in the NBA? And I said at that time, I think it was Allen Iverson. He said, you're right. He said, do you realize he misses more shots than anybody else misses in the whole NBA? In other words, he scores the most, but he does it by missing more shots than anybody else misses. And part of, I think, success in the Christian life, and we've talked about this again and again and again, is something called resiliency, where, as it says in Scripture, it says a righteous man falls down seven times but he gets up again seven times.
There's something that we used to read, and it was by Ogmandino from the book The Greatest Salesman in the World. Oh, yeah. And I love it. It says, it's the scroll, I think it's marked two or three, but it says, I will persist until I succeed. I was not delivered unto this world in defeat, nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I am a lion, and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep and complain, for their disease is contagious.
Let them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure is not my destiny. I will persist until I succeed. The prizes of life are at the end of each journey, not near the beginning, and it is not given to me to know how many steps are necessary in order to reach my goal. Failure I may still encounter at the thousandth step, yet success hides behind the next bend in the road.
Never will I know how close it lies until I turn the corner. Always will I turn another step. If that is of no avail, I will take another, and yet another. In truth, one step at a time is not too difficult. I will persist until I succeed. Henceforth I will consider each day's effort as but one blow of my blade against a mighty oak. The first blow may not cause a tremor in the wood, nor the second nor the third.
Each blow of itself may be trifling and seem of no consequence. Yet from childish swipes the oak will eventually tumble, so it will be with my efforts of today. I will be likened to the raindrop which washes away the mountain, the ant which devours a tiger, the star which brightens the earth, the slave who builds a pyramid. I will build my castle one brick at a time, for I know that small attempts repeated will complete any undertaking. I will persist until I succeed. I will never consider defeat, and I will remove from my vocabulary such words and phrases as quit, cannot, unable, impossible, out of the question, improbable, failure, unworkable, hopeless, and retreat, for they are the words of fools. I will avoid despair, but if this disease of the mind should infect me, then I will work on in despair. I will toil and I will endure. I will ignore the obstacles at my feet and keep my eyes on the goals above my head, for I know that where a dry desert ends, green grass grows.
I will persist until I succeed. And when I see that, I look at, I think about the resiliency of the Christian, falling down seven times and getting up seven times, although a lot of times it's a lot more than that. The challenge I have with that, actually, as I listen to it, is how many times the guy says I, in that, and there's this sense, it's called self-righteousness, okay, it's the biggest oxymoron in all of Christianity. In other words, how can we be self-righteous? Because am I going to strive my way? And again, I think he was giving sheep a bad rap there because from the Christian's point of view, you know, sheep is a good thing.
And I noticed that. But I think the principle what he's talking about is never giving up. There's a principle that's involved about never giving up, but his faith, it sounds like, is in his effort, and that will lead to destruction. Now, I'm not saying that it is, but we've got to be careful to make sure that our faith, because we don't want to do, do, do, do, do, because in Christianity, the deal is done.
I agree, having been a salesperson, right, and having taught many, many, many salespersons that, wow, you know, you're going to have to get back up, you're going to get knocked down seven times. But here's the real reason I can get back up, because when I stand, I'm standing holding his hand, and he is my shepherd. You know, and I mean, he even made references to the shepherd. I'm like, dude, dude, you're going off the rails a little bit here because, you know, what is more precious than the 23rd Psalm? That the Lord is my shepherd, you know, I shall not want. He, you know, is the one that leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
There's not a lot of eyes in that passage, so the challenge for all of us that came through all that, believe me, 40 years in the car business, Mike, I heard a few sales talks, okay, and I certainly have sat under a great deal of teaching along those lines. That the cool thing is that when you begin to realize that it was Jesus' efforts that actually won the deal, and now, yes, I can get up, but I can get up realizing that it doesn't depend on me. And then you even say that, think of the freedom that's involved in, you're the one that's guiding me, you're my shepherd, and because of that, I'm not going to want. It's freedom.
So, yes, I get it, but there is a real challenge for the self-righteous to grab hold of that and think, well, I've got, I have got to do this. Well, I got news for you, you know. It's done. He did it.
He won. Good news. Great news. It's the best news ever, as that song goes, but, you know, it's funny. Pastor Marty actually came in here one time, and he said, told the story about the two boats in the helicopter. I don't know if you've heard this or not, but this guy is sitting in the church, and all of a sudden, there's a flood, and the flood comes, and a boat comes by, and they say, hey, we've got a boat here for you. We want to save you out of the flood. He said, no, the Lord is going to take care of me, so he keeps on sitting there, and this time, the water gets a little bit higher, so he gets up on the second story, and he's sitting there, and another boat comes by, a bigger boat, and they say, look, you've got to get out of here.
We've got a boat for you. We want to save you, and the guy said, no, no, no, the Lord is going to save me, so all of a sudden, the water gets so high that he has to sit on top of the church, and a helicopter comes by and says, we're going to save you. He says, no, no, no. He said, the Lord is going to save me, and so the guy dies. He drowns. He goes to heaven, and he meets the Lord, and he says to the Lord, he said, God, why didn't you save me? He said, I cried out to you, and I wanted you to save me, and God said to him, he says, I thought you wanted to come to heaven.
I sent you two boats and a helicopter, didn't I? So, you know, I think with anything else, and there are extremes to both sides of this. There are people who, you know, say, well, I'm just going to depend on the Lord, and I'm not going to do anything. I'll give you an example. I met a guy, it's probably 15 years ago when I started selling insurance, and he said, well, I'm doing this business. He says, I'm not getting any business. I'm not going out there and doing anything, but he says, I'm just sitting here and praying that the Lord is going to bring me some business.
And I'm sitting there thinking, I'm like, man, you got to do something yourself. I mean, the Lord, he will meet you halfway. Many times, many times, you know, if you go to the church, that it is the Lord's house. But when you see the people who are holding the cameras, the video cameras, last time I saw, it's not God holding those video cameras.
There's people there who are actually doing the work. So I believe that God works with us and through us. But I've seen so many times, and this is where I agree with you, that if we just take the first step, I mean, if we just open our mouths half the time, then it's amazing what the Holy Spirit will do once we're willing. Because apart from him, it says, unless the Lord builds the house, the laborers labor in vain, we can work as hard as we want, and we can still miss it.
Yeah, the beauty of it is you can't do it on your own. So there is such a fine line between legalism and grace. And there's such a fine line between self-righteousness and Christ-righteousness, like, what is my role in that is going to require constant prayer. It's going to require constant study.
And you and I both have dear friends, right? And we've seen them on missions lately where they felt like God was totally behind them and working, working, working towards something. And then all of a sudden they feel like God pulled back and actually was extremely devastating to them at the time.
However, he was building their faith and they come out stronger. And you go, wow, how do they walk through that? You know, how do I walk through a job loss? How do I walk through cancer?
How do I walk through the loss of a child? Like, you know, think of my friend Bob Young. And, you know, we talked about that when you go to boot camp, you're going to invade the enemy's camp. And I can remember sitting there with his son and Bob at the camp. And I said, be careful, guys. Because when you leave this camp, you're going to have a new target that's on your back that you did not have before because the enemy now knows that you're very aware of him and he's going to come after.
Well, two and a half months later, I was at his son's funeral. And he was looking at me saying, you weren't kidding, there was a big target. There is a big target. And it's real. And the enemy is real real. And he's real ruthless. However, God has plans that way exceed anything that we can understand. And, you know, it's going to take phenomenal courage, but the courage actually is to reach up and grab hold of his hand.
That's right. And let him, okay, let's go make this call. You know, let's go reach out to this neighbor. Let's go reach out to our wife or our son or that nephew that, you know, has got some issue with you that you've been, you know, that's going to take. It's going to need courage for me to stand there in God's hand in his righteousness with a home field advantage.
With a home field advantage. You know, and one of the things that I think about is that you think about how hard it is to go through so many things in life, like the loss of a son or the loss of a parent or just the day to day. I mean, the rough things that happen, I don't care how good things are, how much money you have, whatever, everybody has problems. Everybody has tough times. And when I think about going through that stuff without a savior, I mean, that's tough. That sucks.
I heard J.D. Greer actually talk about this a while back, and he said, you know, psychologists and psychiatrists have been able to kind of work through all the different problems that people have. He says, but there's one problem that they aren't really able to fix and they're not able to really help people with, and that's the fear of death. Because unless you believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and unless you've taken the burden off of yourself and you've let him take it for you, then I don't care how good or how bad this life is. I mean, there's a depression there. I mean, you were talking about somebody was thinking about suicide.
But, I mean, apart from Christ, apart from having faith that you know you're going to have eternal life by believing in Jesus Christ, there is no real purpose in life. I mean, you can try to help people out. You can do a few things.
You can do this or that. But at the end of the day, it all means nothing. It all means nothing. And it's like the old song we sing, what can wash away my sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus. And so it's just maybe you're sitting out there and you're listening in the car or you're listening at home or wherever it is, and you're saying, well, gosh, I want to have this peace. I want to have this hope. You can. All you have to do is cry out to Jesus.
Trust in Jesus as your Lord and Savior. And you take that step and you start to follow Him. And it's like, it'll be a whole different life.
It's not like you won't have any problems. I mean, Robbie and I, I mean, we've talked about this ever since we started doing this show. I've had a whole lot of problems since I did this show.
And I think, Robbie, you had a few problems since you started the show as well, right? Oh, yeah. That target, it's going to be placed. But the good news is... Target practice.
Yeah, you're going to be target practice. However it is that God asks you, like, gives you this opportunity to go serve with Him, of course there's going to be opposition. Like you talked about, the fact that you've got opposition, it's rejoice because, you know, you're treasure is in heaven. But the real joy is, is like, man, have you experienced reaching up and grabbing hold of that nail scarred hand and taking on the fact that, wow, you know, all those things that I did that I couldn't believe I did can be forgiven. And all you have to do is reach up for that nail scarred hand and say, Jesus, forgive me.
I believe you are who you said you are. You are the Son of God. And I believe that you did, which was shed your blood for me, that I could live in righteousness and that I would have the home field advantage.
Because what happens is, is you take hold of that nail scarred hand, you let go of Satan's grip of you, then you now have the home field advantage. I mean, you win and you win for eternity and you win with all those people that have gone before you. And so right now you could just pray and say, Jesus, forgive me. Help me to come under your blood and into your kingdom. Help me to have truly the home field advantage of living with you in heaven forever. And I ask this in Jesus name. And when you think about that, Mike, you can't help but say, if not for God.
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