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Become ALL Things to Win SOME!

If Not For God / Mike Zwick

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November 11, 2020 1:00 am

Establishing common ground and communication is crucial for effective evangelism and sharing the gospel. By understanding and relating to people's cultures, interests, and backgrounds, we can build trust and create opportunities to share the message of Jesus. It's not just about selling a product, but about helping people understand their eternal destiny and making a connection with them on a deeper level.

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It's about to start in just a few seconds. Enjoy it, and please share it around with all your friends. Thanks for listening, and thanks for choosing the Truth Podcast Network. Welcome to If Not For God with Mike Zwick today. So, Mike, you have a treat from Corinthians for us.

Yeah, we were just there, and I gotta pull it up, so give me a sec. It is 1 Corinthians chapter 9, and we are starting in verse 19. It says, Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law, I became like one under the law, though I myself am not under the law, so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law, I became like one not having the law, though I am not free from God's law, but am under Christ's law, so as to win those not having the law.

To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people, so that by all possible means I might save some. I do this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings. And, Robbie, one of the things that you were talking about was something about being a salesman. Yeah, I think most of us who ever, you know, train salespeople for a living, which certainly I did that as a car dealer, recognized this passage as what we called common ground.

So, you know, most sales trainers are going to do something called the road to the sale. And the first step on anybody's road to the sale is establish common ground, which is a beautiful thing when you think about Jesus used common ground to establish common ground. In other words, to fishermen he talked about fish, to farmers he talked about farming and soil, you know, and to women about their dowry.

Or you could hear always in his parables that he was speaking to people in their culture and things that they thought about. And, you know, one of my favorite stories of common ground people is, I had this old used car salesman, he was the best that I ever saw. And he could establish common ground with anybody almost immediately with two simple questions.

And I loved the way he did it. His name was Phil Marlin and he would look at the person and he just was a warm country guy from Tennessee and he would say, where are you from? And the people would say, you know, I'm from Mabini or I'm from Winston-Salem or whatever.

And then he would get him with a second question, which he'd look him dead in the eye and go, originally? And then all of a sudden, oh, well, actually I was raised in Colorado and I grew up in Longmont and are you on the right there on the face of the mountains? And off he went into this person's childhood. And within a matter of moments, he had them back there at a place that was delightful to them and talking about things that they loved about their hometown, whenever that may be and whatever home was. You know, to the person that was from Denver, he would become somebody from Denver. From the person from Chicago, he must become somebody from Chicago. In other words, he would try to establish a common ground and a relationship with people with things that they want to talk about and things that they understand in their culture, which is different, you know?

Yeah. I, you know, one of the things that I think about is, as I remember, I was in my early 20s and I needed an attorney to help me get out of a speeding ticket. And I just remember being really closed off, Robbie, when I went in and spoke to the attorney. And I remember all of a sudden the attorney asked me a few questions. And before I realized that, I was talking for like 25 minutes and all of a sudden this guy was my best friend.

He didn't say two words, you know, other than asking me questions and pushing me and stuff like that. The book, How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie, he says how to become a good conversationalist. And he says to talk to people about things that they're interested in. And I've heard stories of missionaries who go into another country and the first thing that they do is they learn the language of the people in the other country.

Because how are you going to win people to Christ if you can't communicate with them? The next thing that they learn is they learn their culture and they learn how they do things in a certain way. Lady named Jungle Jim comes to mind. We had her on the show and she's been down to the Amazon and she shows pictures of where she's dressed up like the people down there. Well, she didn't do that just because she felt like doing that at first, although now I think she probably enjoys it. But she did that as a way and she said the people would come up to her and they'd say, hey, it's really cool that you're dressing up like us. And people, you know, as you've probably heard that like attracts like. Um, so people are interested in talking to people who at least have something in common with them. And I feel like at the end of the day, and that's what I get from First Corinthians, Chapter nine, I do this all for the sake of the gospel. It's so that will people people will be able to say yes to Jesus, because, you know, if they're going to say no to Jesus, I, you know, I want it to be because they don't like the gospel or they they they're willing or they don't want anything to do with Jesus.

But I don't want it to be because they don't like me or they don't, you know, they felt like I was rude or something like that. And I think that's one of the things that he was saying. As a matter of fact, I've got a quote from Charles Spurgeon, and it says that preaching is the most idol of occupations. If the word of my hearers, if you are not converted, I waste my time and energy in standing here. People might well think it madness that one whole day in the week should be given up to hear speeches madness. Indeed, it would be for nothing.

Nothing would come out of it at all conscience and heart. If you do not bring forth fruit to holiness and the end is not everlasting life that I would be better employed in breaking stones on the side of the road than preaching to you. And one of the things that I was thinking about was that in order to get to the point, Robby, and that was that salesman you were talking about, in order to get to the point where he was talking about his product, first, he had to make the person feel comfortable with him. And if he wasn't able to make a connection with them, he never would have gotten to that point. Can you think of a maybe an example in your life where you were, you know, trying to tell somebody about Jesus or trying to share the gospel?

And where you first kind of had to overcome that hurdle? That was common, you know, that and I love what Paul says there and things that you wouldn't necessarily think about when in the sales training situation. But he says to those that are under the law, I became as one under the law. And so what he's saying is I'm talking to legalists, right? I'm talking to the Pharisees as a Pharisee, even though that isn't my underlying real conviction. He's not a legalist, but he realizes that in order to, you know, have a conversation with these people, he's going to get there. The other thing that he says to the weak, I became weak. Now, what does that look like? Well, you know, I don't know how many conversations you've had with special needs people, but because I've been, you know, doing that at church for years, you know, in order to have a conversation with them.

You know, I don't know that what you would call that we it's just different and it's a completely different place that you better go if you're going to have a conversation for him. So I tell this story is heartbreaker, but it's still a great story about how arrogant I am. We had a young man that came in, his name was Joshua, and Joshua was one of these special needs people that was in a wheelchair. His arms were the size of a small stick and he couldn't hold up his own head, so he had the support. You're picturing this person, you've probably seen somebody like this in a wheelchair. They're just skinny, skinny, skinny.

They can't hold up their own head, so they got support in this wheelchair in order to hold up his head. And every time I would begin to teach, especially when I got to the parts I thought were important, Joshua would begin this moaning and it was actually pretty disturbing and it would never cease that like right when I thought I was supposed to, you know, everybody gets distracted to begin with because a lot of them are autistic and it takes nothing to distract them. So here you are and then here comes Joshua going, ah, so I was actually quite frustrated and every time his mom would come in, because I thought that Joshua wasn't getting anything. I assumed that Joshua was just miserable and he was screaming that way and moaning because he was miserable. It sure sounded like he was. And his mother would say, Joshua just loves his class. He could hardly wait. You know, I'm thinking, what? He could hardly wait till he comes to this class. And I'm like, no, you know, you're reading something into this that, you know, just isn't there because this does not look like pleasure to me in any way, shape or form.

I'm not seeing that. So every Christmas we would have Christmas, you know, party and we would kind of get the parents there and show them what we were learning. We were doing these hand signs of walk through the Bible and even those who are not verbal in autism or Down syndrome or whatever can still do the hand signs and it's really a wonderful thing to see. And you can see these people, you know, my friends, worship God in a way that only they can worship God. And, you know, I don't know what I'm saying. It's just being there with them in their culture so that you can reach them for Christ.

It's a perfect example of it. So, you know, we're going to do our big thing. And as usual, right at my big moment and I start to say, OK, OK, guys, here we go. And I start doing the hand signs. And of course, Joshua, you know, and I'm like, oh, not now, not here. You know, this is horrible. And Joshua's mom says, Joshua, it's not your turn.

And if there was ever a moment in my life where I wanted to crawl under the chair and go, oh, God, I am so arrogant. I just cannot believe what you've done here. You're showing me that Joshua just was wanting to participate with what he could participate with. He knew he could make noises. And I'm like, I can't believe I've done this.

I just felt low, low, low, low, low, low. And Joshua immediately hushed as soon as his mom said that. And we went through and did it. Well, that was on a Saturday night, that Christmas party. Sunday morning, class meets again. And if we begin the class, I said, OK, I have been just totally arrogant and just no clue what's going on in life. And so, Joshua, it is your turn, buddy.

You tell us what you want to share with us. And he swerved off. Off he went. And for quite some time, I didn't interrupt him. I'm like, Joshua, you keep going. You tell us whatever it is that you have to tell us.

Because clearly, we have not let you talk. And you wanted to. From that class forward, Joshua never did that again as an interrupt. He did it when we would say, OK, Joshua, it's your turn, and off he'd go. Wow. Wow.

He was completely there and completely aware of what was going on. And he was an amazing young man. Unfortunately, or fortunately, you know, I don't know. God knows.

About a year later, Joshua went to be with the Lord. And I cannot tell you what God did for my heart in seeing how little I really understand what's really going on in any given situation. So when I see that he would become weak to those who were weak, well, I don't know what that is as far as strong or weak or whatever. But I get the sense that you just got people that are a lot different than you. And to make any assumption that what's really going on you have some understanding of is just way off the mark.

Yeah, that's a great story. You know, and one of the things when you're talking about this and what I'm thinking about it is that everybody wants to be important. And, you know, Joshua, he couldn't have a conversation. But that was his way of getting involved. And, you know, it's interesting. You know, we always talk about, you know, and God is the only one who can save people. We were talking about that earlier today. But, you know, I do believe that God partners with people and he works with us. He wants us to be a part of it. And when you're saying when that guy was connecting with people and he was asking them, where are you from originally, it was a conversation.

It wasn't just him bang, bang, bang trying to sell something. And one of the things that I think of sometimes is that evangelism in whatever shape you're looking at, there is some effort. There is some preparation.

There is some planning. There is some stuff that we have our part. And I think one of the cool things is that is that we can learn to enjoy that. I mean, I'll come and we'll talk about our show beforehand and stuff like that.

And I enjoy that sometimes just as much as the show. You know, and but but it was a there was a story I was thinking about this years ago. I was I was selling insurance. And in this particular time, I just I was sort of in a slump, Robbie.

I wasn't selling as much as I had usually sold. And I was sitting in the car and I was trying to figure out what was going on. And I said something that came to me and it said that people don't just casually buy life insurance.

You know, not walking down the road or knocking on door. Oh, gosh, I'm glad you came. Where is my checkbook? I mean, what an insurance salesman. He's here.

I've been waiting for this. You know, so but but it does I mean, it takes planning. It takes work. It takes effort.

You know, and there there is our part that we definitely have to do. And so one of the things that I was thinking about was that when we're going out sharing the gospel, when we're talking to people about Jesus, what I see him saying in First Corinthians chapter 9. I became like a slave. I became like a Jew is that it took some it took some thinking. I mean, I know we were talking about before I think Timothy was actually was actually circumcised as an adult. And so I guess you could say he had some skin in the game. Is that right, Robbie? The first cut is the deepest. You know, you really think about that from from my perspective, the difference between making a sale and manipulation is love.

It just is. In other words, you can take all these skills that we're talking about and I can train somebody how to do that, make the effort and accomplish whatever goal as far as salesmanship. But if actually the transaction doesn't come out of a point of I really do want to help this person sitting in front of me. And I don't still want to sell my life insurance policy. I want to protect their family.

I don't want to just sell my life insurance policy. I want them to have some sense of of what they're planning for the future and all that. And I don't want to sell them something that's going to hurt them that they can't afford or is going to hurt their budget and whatever. And so if I'm coming into this transaction and certainly I sold a million cars like that and sometimes told people, I don't think you ought to buy this car. And sometimes I got a lot of trouble for it. But it was from a point of I want to help you.

I really want to do based on what my understanding is. The challenge there is don't think you understand more than you understand, because you can see, like most salesmen, I have a tendency towards arrogance. Like I know what's best for you. Well, I don't. Right. And so the conversation that needs to take place, it really is in me understanding completely where you're coming from and what's going on in your life to determine whether or not this is something that we can decide on together is a good decision. And in Christ, even more so.

Right. You've heard me tell the story of when Johnny Hendrix came to Christ, who was a car salesman. And I asked God, you know, what do I say to him? What's the magic? Because I can't get deeper than skin with this guy.

I mean, he won't go deeper in anything. Right. And he said, Robbie, he's a car salesman. And as soon as he said that to me, that was the common ground. You see, that was this passage to a car salesman. I became a car salesman. And I said, Johnny, I made a deal with God. Well, to a car salesman, a deal is a deal. And that meant everything to him. And so to a car salesman, I became a car salesman. And not because I went, oh, 1 Corinthians chapter 9. No, no, no. It wasn't like that at all.

It was like, I'm praying and God's saying, dummy, dummy. He's a car salesman. Talk to him from that perspective. To a farmer, you talk about farming. To a fisherman, you talk about fishing. To a Duke fan, you don't talk about Carolina.

How about those tar heels, right? That was Salesmanship 101, right? You were supposed to actually go look at their trade-in, see if there's any bumper stickers. I'd rather be fishing. I'd rather be flying.

Duke, whatever you saw. And even I would teach people, talk about the car they drove up in. What'd you like about that car? What didn't you like about that car? It's a point of common ground. And you can begin to understand what they like in a car, what they don't like in a car.

Just keep going. What was your favorite thing about that car? Do you have a good memory about taking that car on vacation? Because to a salesman, quite honestly, your questions are your toolbox. To a mechanic, he needs 7-8s and he needs this, this, and this. Well, to a salesman, you need some Socratic method. And you need open-ended questions.

And you need questions that have multiple choice, like is 10 o'clock better or 3 o'clock this afternoon? We've all been down that there's a toolbox of questions that salesmen are taught. If used without love, it's manipulation.

If used in order to gain trust and understanding and help really know what's going on in order to guide the people what you know about that product. Because think about it. You know stuff about life insurance that your average customer has no clue. And it's really a dangerous place, but people take advantage of them all the time, right?

They do. And when you were saying that, Robbie, one of the things that came to my mind was this. We will prepare. We will plan. We will take all these measures so that when we're selling life insurance or when we're selling cars that we can sell the car or we can sell the life insurance policy. But, you know what, if we don't sell that car, if we don't sell that life insurance policy, I mean, you know, oh well, we can always live to fight another day. Maybe somebody else will buy no big deal.

I think what I'm getting from this in 1 Corinthians 9 is that you're talking about where somebody's going to spend their eternal destiny. Yeah, this is a little boring. This is real life insurance here, buddy. Yeah, I mean, this is...

This is sort of fire insurance. It's so much more important than just a sale. And so one of the things that I'm thinking of is that it's important that we prepare and that we know our stuff. It's one of the verses that came to my mind was Psalms 119, and I believe it was, I thought it was verse 5, but it may not be, but it's that your word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. I've talked to so many different Christians who said, well, I want to talk to people about Jesus, but I don't know what to tell them, I don't know how to answer this or that or the other. And so take some time and study the word of God. Take some time and study the apologetics.

Take some time and pray. All of the above. Because I was going to Jamaica the summer before last with Teen Challenge to speak to a bunch of Jamaicans that were up there in the mountains, and we have a curriculum that we use at boot camps. You've been in one. And if you were to look at it, a lot of them have American military fighting battles or whatever, but now I'm going to Jamaica. And so I'm praying and praying, and God says, why not use their William Wallace? We have film clips that we use that Braveheart is William Wallace and A Picture of Jesus. Well, what does that look like to the Jamaican history?

I mean, find their heroes, find their George Washington, their Abraham Lincoln, whatever. And so there was a guy, man. I mean, he was like, you know, he literally died. He was the guy that died for his country, that happened to be a pastor at the time that he lost his life, right? And so I made all these different slides with the use of both the Jamaican color, their flag, but this guy's picture. And what it was was completely, you know, how were they going to relate to a guy in an American military uniform? But believe me, they could definitely relate. I wish I could remember the guy's name. And when I came out the first break, they're like, you used, you know, like, they could sense that this was for them.

It was custom made. And whether it was you or whether it was Jungle Gen or whether it was a missionary who's willing to learn the language or a missionary who's willing to learn the cultures and whatever it is, people see that you took effort to do this. And if they see that you're taking effort to do this, and then, I mean, when you're telling people about Jesus, there's no financial gain there. I mean, you know, you're not, it's nothing like that. I mean, but when they see that you're doing this, I think they can see that you really feel that this is important.

I mean, this is important, like you were talking about, where are you going to spend eternity? And so one of the things that we could do, pray, pray, pray, pray, pray, read the Bible, prepare, plan, you know, think about, hey, how are some, what are some different ways that I can maybe kind of connect with this person and get their attention, because this is so, so, so important. And God has been training you from the day you were born. He's been training you.

You have unique skills. Yeah, He trained me on how to sell cars. He was not training me how to sell cars for no good reason. He was training me how to do that because He knew that He was actually training the Christian car guy. You know, He trained me in certain business aspects. He trained me in all these different things that I found later in life where very specifically I was trained for on social networking.

For what? You know, because it's to use them to leverage the kingdom. And so don't fall away from your own story. Like it is a huge map to where God is taking you because you are uniquely qualified to do things that only you know because you're the guy that's worked in a computer programming since you were 10. You know, you're the guy that worked in fast food restaurants and you can speak to somebody in a fast food restaurant or somebody with that background way better than I can. Or you're the guy that's worked with special needs people. Whatever that is, it was no accident.

Yeah, yeah. And I think, Robbie, some people say, Well, Robbie, you're the Christian car guy. You've got your own radio station, so you're preaching and stuff like that. Well, actually it says in Scripture, not everybody is an apostle.

Not everybody is preaching. He gives different people different gifts. Some healing, some were apostles, some giving.

You know, some people give. It takes people giving money to the church, giving money to them. I mean, you know, and I think sometimes, Robbie, and you've probably seen this, it's the person up front at the front of the church who's talking.

They tend to get the most attention. And it's the guy who's behind the scenes, maybe the custodian in the church, who's cleaning up the church, or somebody who has people over to their house and feed them. They're not getting the adulation.

They're not getting the credit. But according to Scripture, they're important too. So maybe somebody who's listening, hey, maybe you're saying, Hey, I'm not out there preaching.

Or I'm not even out there, you know, even going up and evangelizing. But there is something that they can do, right? I mean, there's something that they're probably already doing. Yeah, and the body of Christ, it says you've got noble members and ignoble, which means some people clean toilets for Christ.

And there's ways to do that. They become so attractive, they're like, yeah, I want that. I want that. And where did that come from? It came from wanting to know that person. Where did they get that love?

They got it from Jesus. And so if you're listening right now, right, Mike? It's if not for God time. It's if not for God. And we're talking about connecting with people and how to win people for Jesus. And there's one thing that we can connect with you on right now if you're listening, and that's the fact that we're all going to die.

It is given to man who wants to die and then the judgment. But we want you to spend eternity in heaven with us. Is that right, Robbie?

Exactly. And it's pretty easy to do that. In fact, it's unbelievably easy to just say Jesus. You know, I want you to come in my heart. I want you to save me. I know that you died for my sake. I know that you paid the cost for my sins so that I can walk with you in complete innocence and that freedom. And I want to turn my life over to you, to live my life for you. And please, God, save me. Put people in my path and in my direction to disciple me and show me more about your Word, about the Bible, that I can serve you and walk with you and spend eternity together with you. If not for God. If not for God.
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