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If Not For God / Mike Zwick

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September 12, 2020 9:00 am

A discussion about the power of the Gospel and its impact on people's lives, particularly in the Middle East, where believers are facing persecution and hardship. The hosts share stories of hope and resilience, and emphasize the importance of sharing the Gospel with others, even in the face of adversity.

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This is Rodney from the Masculine Journey Podcast, where we explored manhood within Jesus Christ. Your chosen Truth Network Podcast is starting in just a few seconds. Sit back, enjoy it, share it, but most of all, thank you for listening and choosing the Truth Podcast Network. This is the Truth Network. Welcome to If Not For God, stories of hopelessness that turn to hope. Here is your host, Mike Zwick. It's loud.

It's crazy. It's If Not For God, and we're in a little bit different place. We're taking the show on the road. Michael Zwick, the Lord is in this place. We're talking about leading people to Christ. You shared some things about the power of the Gospel today.

I could tell your heart was really moved today. We're going to talk about the bomb in Lebanon, the Middle East crisis, Cyprus, and what God's doing there through our brother here. But quickly, tell us what's on your heart as you heard about sharing Christ and the importance of getting the Gospel out. Well, one of the things that I thought, Stu, was it was Hebrews 4, verse 12. You know the verse? Yeah. The Word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and the joys and the merits.

It's a discerner of the thoughts and the intents of the heart. A couple of weeks ago, we actually went to a retreat with Robbie Dilmore, and we went away to Providence, North Carolina for the weekend. One of the things I was so upset about all the things that were going on in the world, and I actually got to spend some time alone by myself. All of a sudden, something flooded, and it hit me. I wrote it down, and it says, what a blessing to be living in the time that we're living in right now. So the time that we're living in right now, it's not an accident, Stu.

We're here for a specific purpose, and God has us here for a reason. Matter of fact, I think it was earlier last week, we actually heard about a huge bomb explosion that happened in Beirut. Wow, and today we've actually got somebody from that country. We're at Dario, it's loud, and Michael is a regular at our Wednesday in the Word, and we're talking about Saul, and becoming Paul, and in Damascus, and in the Middle East, all these areas, and one of them is Lebanon, and Kaleem Andreas, what went in your heart? We all saw the bomb, we all heard about it as Western Americans, but as a man from that part of the world from Lebanon, tell us about what you saw, what's been heavy on your heart with this? Well, of course the bomb is really, really second to Hiroshima, and really it's just broke our hearts seeing all these lives destroyed, 300,000 people without homes suddenly became refugees, and just broke our heart. Lebanon used to be in a civil war, and here we are again with this huge bomb, but for us as believers, it's just unbelievable to see that.

Why? Because Lebanon, as you must know, it's where the Holy Spirit is really, really moving in a big kind of way. Thousands of people get saved, thousands upon thousands of people get saved in the Middle East, mostly are in Lebanon, and the devil is not happy. The devil really wants to fight that, and trying to fight the church, and that's why all this what's going on in Lebanon, between the economic crisis, the devaluation of the currency, and now the bomb, the devil is waging war against the church in Lebanon. And I heard about this, and I heard about everything that had happened, but you know, Stu, one of the things that I've seen in Scripture, it says what the enemy made for bad, God turned into good. Do you think there's something that can come from this, that God can use in a way to even bring people to Christ?

Of course, of course. This is this explosion, with all what's going on in Lebanon, this explosion came like a smack on the face for the church, and suddenly the church is alive, suddenly people are, you know, going to their neighbors and checking on their neighbors, people, the church, the living church of the Lord Jesus Christ, it's just, they all came to Beirut, and they all, you know, on the street, providing food, they're providing shelter, and medical supplies, you know, just, and clean up, you know, they're just going, because everybody's houses, even, you know, the people lost their everything, they lost their apartments, lots of people, but most of Beirut, the whole capital, that for 1.2 million have no glass left, no glass left, so people, like, have no windows now, people have no doors, and, you know, so we raised, we raised almost $91,000 so far, right, you know, to help these people, and we're still praying that, you know, we could raise some more money for that. Well, and I was actually reading, quoted the Scripture, but it was Genesis 50, verses 19 through 20, and it says, and Joseph said unto them, fear not, for am I in the place of God, but as for you, ye thought evil against me, but God meant it unto good to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive. Stu, I don't know if you've heard this or not, but one of the things that I keep hearing is that the Chinese church has actually been praying for persecution in the American church because we've had it so easy, and they know from what's going on in their country that persecution many times leads people to Christ.

Have you seen that, Stu? Absolutely, they say, estimate 10 to 15,000 new babies are born into Christ, new believers come to faith in Christ in China every week. It's crazy what God's doing. The church is alive there. They're praying for us to be saved and to wake up. They're praying for Western Christians to be out there, sharing the good news of Christ, and we have two brothers here from the Middle East where if you're a believer, it could be your death warrant.

If you're a believer, and this was a major catastrophe that shook the entire country of Lebanon, particularly Beirut, the capital, and really killed a lot of people, displaced a lot of people. People are living in the streets, and the church now is shining because these believers, they take it seriously. Believers like Kaleem, this guy's trying to find a ticket to go back there, to go home, and I'm sitting here thinking I'd much rather pray from afar. He wants to pray. He wants to go to the fire, and I've got my brother here, John, a missionary in the Middle East also. Hey, John, where are you a missionary? Our family live in northern Cyprus, in the Turkish occupied territory there.

So what's going on in your life right now? Well, we've been living in the city of Kyrenia there for six or seven years with the vision. It's hard to see a Bible teaching church established, and by the grace of God, we've been able to see that happen. It looks very different from church here. We do most of our meetings in homes.

We have, in the course of six years, we've been kicked out of two leased facilities because of persecution from the police, pressuring landlords to get rid of us. But just a quick thought to follow on from what Kaleem was saying is that we've been out of the country now for two months, and just to watch our church fellowship without us there really maintain a heart to continue to reach out into the community has just blessed me so much. I just saw on our church feed this morning two of the girls from Syria have rallied the church together, and they're going to continue on doing our free English club in a local coffee shop.

So they're starting that this Thursday just with the world being shaken. People are looking for answers, you know, and they're looking for a real hope that they don't have, and they see it in the church. And just to Kaleem's point, I mean, this is our moment to shine, like, and to be out there. And so I just pray that God continues to use our church, you know, New Life Church of Kyrenia, to reach that city. The COVID and all this stuff has you here, so you're ministering on Zoom, and you're praying. This guy's itching just like Kaleem wants to get back to Beirut and Lebanon to love his people and to serve them and to minister and lead people to Christ. You're praying to get back to Cyprus as soon as you can. Amen. We are.

We're just kind of watching day to day to see when the airports will reopen. There's an immediacy to Paul. You know, Saul becomes Paul in Acts 9, and immediately he went and preached the gospel, and he never stopped. You open his mouth, he preaches the gospel. He finds himself sitting next to a guy randomly. He's going to preach the gospel to him.

It's not an if, it's a win. Kaleem, what is it about this ambition? Michael, what's happened? We've lost our fire for just preaching the gospel. Well, I'm going to I'm going to quote a verse that just came to my mind.

It's 2 Corinthians 6 2, and it's starting in verse 1. As God's fellow workers, then we urge you not to receive God's grace in vain, for he says, in the time of favor, I heard you, and in the day of salvation, I helped you. Behold, now is the time of favor.

Now is the time. Now is the day of salvation, and Kaleem, I'll let you. Of course, I mean, you know, you need to rush to Jesus right now, because he's coming back, and guess where he's coming back to? Okay, I mean, you know, I think, I think we're gonna have front, front, front seats, you know, like in Jerusalem. Once he enters this amazing gate, the eastern gate, guess what? You know, we have friends there. We're gonna be right there, waiting for him. I'm sure we're gonna be on our knees once he enters, and, you know, I'm telling you, we're gonna have a front seat when Jesus comes back, and maybe he's coming back soon, you guys. You know, he, I, I feel this way, you know, with all, you know, the geopolitical thing, the two, you know, Sunni, you know, with, with Turkey on top of it, and then the Iranian, you know, like, empire, you know, with the Shiites. That sounds like what?

Hey, what do you call them? The two tribes coming, coming down. I mean, this is all coming together, you guys, and what you're waiting for to come to Jesus?

What are you waiting for? As a matter of fact, if we look at Romans chapter 10, starting with verse 8 and verse 9, it says, but what does it say? The word is near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart. That is the word of faith that we are proclaiming, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. What do you think, John? Yeah, well, it's a, I, I loved what Stu said this morning in regards to that, is that it is, it's so simple, you know. I mean, you know, most of the people where we are, they really resonate with the simplicity of that message, you know. It's, it's understand, believe, and receive into your heart, and you're going to be saved, you know.

I don't think there's any complicated aspect to it. We can't control the earthquakes, which North Carolina just had a 5.1, which is first time in 100 years. We can't control the plague, which is a worldwide pandemic that we've never experienced, that I know there's politics and inflated numbers, but we can't control those kind of things, the wars, the tensions, but one thing we can do with what we have left in our hearts and our minds and our souls, with our Bibles in front of us, we can share the good news of Christ. We can be ambassadors for Christ. We can proclaim, sow the seed of the gospel, Kaleem. You're challenging everyone to be ambitious about the gospel. As we close out here on remote locations, a little bit loud here, on if not for God, you're challenging everyone about being ambitious for the gospel.

What would you say? We just have to take it to the next notch in our faith. Do we really trust in God?

Do we believe in what the word is saying? Or are we really thinking we're here for a long, long time? And the big question for believers, if Jesus comes back today, are we going to stand tall and answer for all the giftings that we have and the money we have in our bank accounts?

In our walk, we say, oh, you know, I'm just postponed doing this, postponed doing that because I thought I had more time. Or are we ready tonight to receive this wonderful Lord? Take us home, Michael Zwick, if not for God. Well, I tell you what, if not for God, and one of the things that you were talking about, Kaleem, was if you look at Matthew chapter 24, the end is near, the end is near.

And what I heard you saying, Stu, this morning and Wednesday in the word is that really what you're saying is, is we have to have a sense of urgency, a sense of urgency. If not for God. If not for God. We are so thankful that you had chosen to listen to If Not For God with Mike Zwick today, and we wanted to make you aware of some other resources for you. If you enjoy this program, you can get Mike Zwick If Not For God on demand. Just simply go to your podcast app, iTunes or Spotify, wherever that may be, and tell it you want to play If Not For God. Once you've found If Not For God, be sure and subscribe and give him some feedback on topics you may want to hear about or how he's doing. Thank you for listening to If Not For God.

If Not For God. I'm Stu Epperson, not your normal host, but I'm filling in for the inimitable, the legendary Robbie Dilmore, and of course the main host, the star of the show is Michael Zwick, and he is here and he is on fire. Michael, it's good to see you, man. It's been great to be in Bible study with you this morning and then recording this. God's doing a lot of things in your heart, and God's doing a lot of things in the world today, isn't he?

Absolutely. We were just in Wednesday in the Word, and I was actually leaving. I was running out and Stu caught me in the parking lot. Mike, where are you going? And we actually had an interview with a guy that you guys heard earlier who's from Beirut, and we also had a missionary, John, who is from what country is he from?

John is, well, he's from this country, but he's a missionary in Cyprus, which is predominantly, it might be 5%, 10% born-again Christian, and he and his family have been serving Christ there for nearly a decade, and of course with COVID and all the things, it's completely a different world there. But it was really neat to hear those two interact, how God at this day and this moment put us with them. It's an If Not For God moment, by all means. I mean, it has to be, it has to be, right?

And they both had a really good story. But something that's been on my mind lately is that I feel like God is doing a lot of things in this country right now. God's doing a lot of things in the world, and you don't have to be a genius to figure out that something is going on right now. God is busy, and the devil, I think, is also busy. And so there is a battle going on right now, and I felt like God didn't speak to me. It wasn't like a, you know, but I felt like there was something in my spirit that came up that said, Mike, I can use you to do a lot of things.

Don't do anything stupid to mess it up. And when I was looking at this, a couple of things that came up to my mind was, it was Hebrews 4.12 was the first one, for the word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow, and it is a discerner of the thoughts and in the intents of the heart. And I believe that God can still speak to us today, but you and I were talking about this, Stu, where we believe that God can speak to us, but you also said there's sometimes, sometimes that can be a little bit dangerous.

I think you were talking about Joseph Smith. Well, yeah, there's a, you know, almost every false religion cult out there came out of people having these dreams and visions, and so I don't want to throw water in the fire of someone who the Lord really inspired them through a dream or a vision, this and that, but I want everyone to be very careful. You know, we have the word of God, and the word of God, it doesn't say that dreams and visions and emotions and this and that are quick and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword. It says the word of God.

It says it is the sword of the Spirit. It says faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. So I don't need to have a dream and vision to tell me to share Christ with my lost neighbor. God's word tells me to go be witnesses. God's word tells me to call people to be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5.20. So God works in all these ways to prompt us to inspire us, and I would say there's a very big difference doctrinally between someone getting inspiration for God. I feel prompted just to share this gospel track with this person over here, and, you know, all of a sudden you find out that they just lost a family member, and they've been searching for God, they've been asking God for, and all of a sudden you show up and God prompts you to do that.

That's inspiration. That's not revelation. Revelation is, thus saith the Lord.

Revelation is Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians. And so, as the great, famous Christian, I can't remember which one, I don't know who he chalked it up to, said, don't ever claim that God is silent when your Bible's closed. So when you open your Bible and you read your Bible, you're getting a text directly from God. Whenever we in a culture start to elevate what other people are getting downloaded by dreams and visions and these things over the Word of God, over the pastor opening God's Word, teaching it, it's inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, it can quicken and discern your heart, just like Hebrews 4-12 says.

We must never be bereft of that. We must never downplay the power of God's Word, memorizing it, meditating on it, listening to it. And the biggest caution the Word of God is, beware of false prophets. So I don't know if this dude had bad Mexican food last night, or if God really did download it, but I do know I have God's Word, and that's the ultimate check and balance. So we've got to have discerning.

My discerning detectors go off sometimes when I hear people say, I had a vision, a dream. Again, I'm not trying to down-grader, hurt them, or be disparaging, but we just have to check it with God's Word. If something's new, you've got to be very careful about that, because God is speaking right now through His Word, and you said it, Michael, the Spirit of God is working in a mighty way right now.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, and one of the things that I was thinking of when you said that was 1 John 4-1, it says, Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. And one of the things that I think about now is that you see people who call themselves prophets, and one person is saying one thing, and another prophet is saying the exact other thing. And so sometimes you say, well, what are you supposed to believe? And what I hear you saying is, you believe the Word of God.

Yeah, let's go to the Christian bookstore, and there will be 100, 200, 300. One of the biggest selling categories is prophecy. You know, you look at the Left Behind series.

You look at all these things. But I'm going to tell you this. If someone's out there saying they've got a vision, and it has to do with prophecy, and they're prognosticating, or God's told them when he's coming back, and they're looking it out there, and you've got earthquakes, which we've had, you've got a plague, which we have, you've got bombs going off, you've got nations rising against nations, which quite frankly has been happening for 2,000 years. But if someone is beating that horse, here's what I'm going to tell you about them. If they're not challenging you to win souls, and if you ask them, what soul have you led to Christ today? Right, right, right, right. Oh, well, I'm about prophecy.

I'm about when He's going to come back. You see, we're so focused, like my friend Pastor David Chadwick says, and it's brilliant, I interviewed him a few weeks ago, we're so focused on end of times, Michael, that we forget the ends of the earth. What can't I control? I can't control plagues. I can't control earthquakes. I can't control political uprisings. I can't control the enthronement or the dethronement of kings and politicians and courts and supreme courts, but guess what I can control? I can walk out of the studio and share Jesus with someone, and I am compelled, I'm commanded to do that. Even Jesus said, quit prognosticating.

In fact, the largest preponderance and proliferation of false teachers in history, guess when it's going to be? Exactly in the end times. So if we're in those end times, guess what? I guarantee you, you know, half of these things you're hearing out there, you better be careful. And that's why we got to get back to the Word of God and to winning souls.

I don't know when He's coming back, but guess what? I'm going to take as many people to heaven with me as I can. So who, but based on what I do know, that there's lost people out there, who am I leading to Christ today? Who am I actively pursuing to bring to Jesus? That's good, and one of the things that I saw was 1 Peter 3.15, and it says, but sanctify the Lord God in your hearts and be ready always to give an answer to every man who asketh you a reason for the hope that is in you.

Pastor Chad Harvey, who we had on the show last week, one of the things that he said with that verse, he says the problem with that verse is we're talking about answering questions that nobody's asking. And so I think what he's saying is this, is Stu, there's got to be something different about us. There's got to be something that people see in us.

And I heard somebody say one time, he says, you can't sell a dream if you're living a nightmare. And so when we have the light of Christ in us, there's got to be something that people see in us that they want. And if we're telling people about Jesus and we're miserable and depressed and we don't look like we have any hope, why would anybody want to follow that?

But there is something I believe that when you say that, and I see it in you and I see it in Robbie and I see it in different people who are excited about Christ, that they're so excited to tell people about it. And you said something about baby Christians this morning. Oh my, why is it that baby Christians are so fired up about sharing the gospel?

They put us to shame. They just came to Christ and they are out there peddling the gospel and sharing Jesus with anything that moves until one of us older, more mature, more debonair, dignified Christians gets a hold of them and says, hey, you can't do that. You're not supposed to do that.

Hey, you're causing all kinds of trouble for me. Well, they're doing exactly what all of us should do. And you can chalk it up to, well, they just met Christ.

Well, they came from a really bad background where they're so close to being resurrected from the dead and their soul and this and that. Well, call it whatever you want, but they're doing the normal Christian life. They are actively sharing the gospel. The rest of us, they should be a rebuke to us, and we should get a behind that baby Christian, and we should say, hey Lord, make me more like my younger believers in my life, to be bold for you. Because that's exactly, it is so refreshing. It is so refreshing.

Why aren't we telling people? I mean, we're looking at our watch Sunday morning, waiting, praying in our hearts, Lord, help the preacher to finish so I can get the lunch and beat the Methodist to lunch. We should be praying, Lord, help us to finish so I can get out of here and go tell somebody about what I learned about Jesus today. I've been built up. I've gathered to be built up. I'm going to get out of here and scatter to share Christ.

I can't wait to get out in that world. I've been refueled. I'm going to go tell someone about the Lord.

Why aren't we aggressive about souls and about winning souls? Proverbs 11 30, the fruit of the righteous is the tree of life. Well, I want fruit. I want to see abundant fruit in my life. What's the last half of that verse? He that winneth souls is wise.

That's right. You want to be a dummy? Don't win souls. Let me tell you who an idiot is. An idiot is a Christian like me who doesn't win souls. Now, that's strong language, but Proverbs talks about a fool. It talks about a wise person. In Proverbs 11 30, it says, he who winneth souls is wise.

You want to be wise? Be about winning souls. Just push people closer to Jesus. Maybe it's just handing them a gospel track. You're inarticulate. You lost your voice. Give them a gospel track.

Maybe it's just handing them a sandwich, a glass of water. Hey, I'm buying you lunch today. Hey, listen to this cool Christian radio station. Listen to this awesome program called If Not For God. Listen to my podcast. Hopefully, it'll be a blessing to you.

They're like, wow, Michael Zwicky. You have a podcast? Awesome.

Give me that card. And they find it, and they find Jesus. That's why we're here still. He hadn't come back, hadn't taken us home.

Why? So we could occupy heaven. So we could bring people with us to the Lord. So when he returns, we have spread the gospel. The gospel of this kingdom will not... Listen, Christ will not return until this gospel is preached in all the world. Matthew 24 14. And it says in Isaiah 52 7, I'm using the NIV. How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news and proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, your God reigns. Unbelievable.

There's something about that. Matter of fact, I was looking at Acts 9 28 through 29, and it said, so Saul stayed with them and moved about freely in Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord. He talked and debated with the Hellenistic Jews, but they tried to kill him.

Yeah, there you go. And who's trying to kill you, by the way? Hey, one of my friends on Twitter put recently a quote, and he said, the problem with Christians today is no one's trying to kill him.

You think about that. How am I accosted for my faith? What does it say? Saul turns into Paul, radically saved. Verse 20 of Acts 9, right after he gets saved, it says, immediately, he preaches Christ. Like literally, it didn't take a second. He preaches Christ immediately.

And then it says in the next verse, they tried to kill him. So they were amazed. So my question is, A, who's amazed at the transformation in your life, how God has radically saved you? Who's in awe of what's done? This guy who spoke profanity is now speaking Jesus' name to people and bringing people to Christ.

So who's in awe of your transformed life? One. Two. Who's trying to kill you? Who hates you because you love Jesus? What a convicting thought.

What a convicting thought. Stu Epperson Jr., if not for God. If not for God. Thank you for listening to If Not For God with Mike Zwick. For more shows, subscribe on iTunes to If Not For God. For more information on Mike or to contact him, go to IfNotForGod.life.
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