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Welcome into Golf with Jay Delsing. And with Jay Delsing, I'm Dan McLaughlin. We do this every week. It's called Golf with Jay Delsing. And our guest coming up this week will be Will Salisbury, who has co-authored a new book just in time for Father's Day, just in time for the Masters.

So we'll visit with Will Salisbury coming up in our second segment. He'll be in studio. But first, always great to be with you, Jay Delsing, and away we go. Danny Mac, good morning. Love doing the show with you.

We got a lot to unpack today, just like every week. Let's do it. Rory McElroy's playoff victory at the Players Championship. The last six years now, a player in the top 10 of the World Golf Rankings has won. What was your impression of Rory last weekend?

Well, he looked really good. I got to tell you, I was really impressed with J.J. Spawn. I, I, um, man, that golf course lends itself, Danny, to some just odd things, you know, just. Odd things happen.

I have gone over this probably half a dozen times. Just reading as much stuff as I can in the playoff.

So, for those that didn't get to watch, Rory and JJ Spawn are tied after regulation. And because of the long, long weather delay they had last Sunday, they were not able to finish.

So, they had to come back Monday morning. They come back Monday morning. There's a cold 15 to 20 mile-an-hour breeze blowing, and they're teeing off. Playoff starts at 9 a.m. Eastern Time, so it's 8 o'clock St.

Louis time. Yeah Danny You know, that ball, it's cold. It's in the 50s with wind chill. That ball is not going anywhere. JJ Spawn winds up hitting his second shot in the water on, or his T-shot in the water on 17 after Rory has safely found land.

And It just doesn't make any sense. I mean, JJ Spawn is talking about it's a 130-yard shot. He hit all these eight irons. On his track, man, straight into the wind. Every nice one that he flushed went 128 yards.

He gets there in the playoff, Danny. And hits this floaty higher shot that he thinks might be a little short and goes over in the water. It was really interesting. He was peeking into the bag of Rory McElroy, so the cameras caught that. How often on the PGA tour do you do that?

Because when you're playing with your buddies on the weekend, you say, well, what'd you hit? Yeah, right. Right. And so you're not going to do that on the PGA tour. No, that's actually a breach of the rules.

And I was wondering. You can look. You can look. And Danny, I would say I would look when I played, I would look 75, 80% of the time. But it was just almost out of habit because Rory is at least a club, maybe two clubs longer than JJ Spawn and really probably longer than most of the guys on the PGA tour.

But I've read this multiple times from multiple sources. JJ Spawn said he looked at it, but he said, I knew I was hitting an eight iron. It was a perfect eight iron. I had prepared for this. I knew exactly what I was doing.

And I love the swing that I put on it. It just, and Rory said. In a publication that I read, also, Danny, he goes, I couldn't believe that JJ hit his ball so high. Into the wind, and it still went that far. He said it didn't make any sense to him either.

How do you bounce back? If you're JJ spawn, you're there. You could win the players' championship. You played so well the day before. You almost won it with a putt.

He came up about two inches short on 18. It's interesting how guys bounce back or they don't bounce back from something like that. It'll be interesting. You know, he's only won one other time on the PJ tour, but Danny Mann, has he played well this last 2025 campaign? And there's about over 2 million reasons.

From that week alone, that's kind of a soothe some of you. You go back and think about every shot, don't you? You do. I mean, when you go, yeah, I mean, and that's the maddening part about it. Over 72 holes.

One shot. I mean, it could be a bounce where your ball, you know, doesn't bounce in the fairway and you go in the rough and you wind up not being able to go to par five and two, and you lay it up and make a par instead of having it stay in the fairway, knocking it on the green and make an eagle. Or, you know, it could even be two-shot swing with one bounce. Yeah. It's tough.

You just, you almost really can't. Do you like the idea of a three-hole playoff? I heard some people say, I don't like that. You should just go head-to-head, hole by hole. You know, you see in some tournaments like the U.S.

Open, you go back in a playoff and you play all 18. Yeah. You know, it's interesting how some guys look at it, and ladies, how they look at how you do a playoff. What was your preference? I think the reason they do that is because of the three holes that they play.

The 16th hole at the TPC. is the easiest ranked hole on the entire golf course. But there's a lot of water on there. Things can happen. 17 is a disaster waiting to happen, and 18 is a hard one of the top, the most difficult holes you play on the PGA tour all year long.

So it's, I think it's, it's to showcase more of that event and that golf course. And so that makes sense to me. I, I, I kind of like just a sudden death. Let's go. Let's get this.

That's what I prefer. Yeah, like, let's, let's send, let's settle this. Yeah. I, I mean, for the sponsors, Danny, for the patrons. For the volunteers.

I mean, we want to try to end this thing as quickly as possible. I mean, we want the best player to win. And they will. But. Man, coming back the next morning, Danny, you got to get the scores out there.

You got to get volunteers out there. Spectators are going to come back. You're going to have to have media come back. It's a lot when you have to come back and do a Monday finish.

Okay, as you mentioned, it was cold. It was breezy. Yeah. Beyond breezy. The wind was really blowing.

And I'm talking about in the playoff. And you mentioned how, and you've said this a million times: when it's cold, the ball is not going to travel.

However, on the first drive by Rory McElroy on 16, Jay, he hits at 336 yards, 336.

Now, that was helping wind. Yeah. But you're right. You're right. The ball does, Danny, he's a freak with that driver.

He, you know, and here's what says it all. JJ Spawn just makes triple bogey. Rory makes bogey on 17, and Rory won 16 with a birdie.

So he was one shot up, going to 16, 17.

Now he's leading by three. Danny, he could have hit a wedge off of 18. Exactly. I don't understand why he hits it. What club does he hit?

Driver. It's his best club in his bag. Yeah. I'm telling you. It's the best club in his bag.

It's the club that he has. He's got more confidence in that driver. I mean, and so he's like, I'm. Sinking or swimming with this thing, and you know, you put it. Out to the right, which is so predictable.

I mean, three strokes up. I don't know what I would have done there. I would not hit driver for sure, for sure. If I don't, I never hit driver on there unless I had to, and it was because it was so playing so long. I always hit three wood and just hit it out at those bushes and tried to hook it a little bit.

I wonder if you're JJ Spawn, how intimidating that is.

Now, Tiger intimidated in the game of golf. And people say, Well, how do you get intimidated in the game of golf? You know, you do not like football or basketball or a guy in baseball that's throwing 100 miles an hour. That's intimidating. Right.

But you can have that, though, in the game of golf. Oh, 100%. Roy's going to stand up there and drive it, you know, 45 yards past JJ Spawn. Of course, he's going to be intimidated. I remember, Danny, when I was doing TV for PJ Tour Life, we were down in Austin and we were doing the Dell match play.

And I, in the quarterfinals, Brian Harmon was playing Rory McElroy, so I had that match. And it was awesome to sit there and watch. But. Austin Country Club is a short, tricky little track. And so there's not a lot of holes that Rory can go ahead and exploit that driver on.

For example, a year or two after Rory drove it. Three feet from the hole on the eighteenth hole, three hundred and eighty two yards drove it right on the green. Wow. But in Christ, but this day. Brian Harmon took him down.

He beat him five and three. And I got to interview Brian Harmon after the round. And it was one of the first interviews and only interviews I ever got to do on the golf course. It was really fun because I said, Brian, Going into this, you had to think. I I I'm going to be hitting first all day long coming into these part fours.

Rory is that much longer than I am. And did you watch? I mean, because it's intimidating to watch. He goes, oh, it's incredibly intimidating. The guy is so good with his driver.

He hits it high, he hits it long, he draws it, he fades it. He goes. I was just trying to position it out there so that I knew I had to put a lot of heat on him with his second shots. And because this golf course is the way it is, he wasn't able to hit driver all the time. But he's longer than I am with every, he's two clubs longer than I am all the way through the bag.

So I was hitting my iron shots. Brian Harmon just took apart the golf course, you know, played his game. Shot four under par and sent Rory home after 14 holes. You ready for my favorite guy now?

Well, I can't say he's my favorite. Scotty Scheffler is one of my favorites. Rory's one of my favorites.

So, okay, I got the big names. But I'm going to give you a name that I think is going to win a major. And I think he's fun to watch. I know who it is. He's left-handed.

Yes, he is. Yep. Akshay Batia. Yep, and he finished two shots back. I love it.

I got to tell you, Danny, he really, really struggled with his nerves on Sunday because he had it right there. He missed about a four-foot putt. He three-putted 16 for par. He knocked it on and two and and and missed a short birdie putt. He also had about a seven-footer on 18 that he didn't make, and he he it was right there.

It was right there for him. Why did you guess that I would have him? Are you with my mind here? I'm with him too. I love this kid.

I got to tell you, he's only 21 years old, but he's been a pro for four years already. Former. Number one amateur in the world. He decided to not go the university route, which is really crazy in today's world. I mean, some of the, not all the kids are graduating.

In fact, very few of them are graduating. But, Danny, they're coming from all across the world over here to one of our great universities, get a free ride, have a little fun in college, play some college golf, and then go turn pro. But nope, he's like, I'm going right out to it. Are you concerned at all with Scotty Scheffler? And he showed frustration.

He was throwing clubs. It looked like he was exhausted during this tournament. He hasn't won yet here in 2025.

So are you concerned at all? He makes another cut. He finished top 20.

So don't get me wrong. It's not like he, you know, this guy is just hanging on. I mean, obviously he's the world number one, but you're seeing some frustration more so than we've seen in a long time out of Scotty Scheffler. Yeah, I guess he really struggled with the putter at the players. You know, he was the first, he had the opportunity to have a three-peat there, Danny, that's never, ever been done before.

So, yeah, I'm not sure what to make of it. You know, I haven't read or followed up a lot breaking down his game. I was surprised as hell. We mentioned this last week as well. I was surprised as hell that he shot 76 the third round at 40.

Farmers, you know, at Torrey Pines and then finished his second with a 66. But um Ludwig just went out and captured that tournament, took it by the throat and brought it on home. I don't know, man. I mean, maybe it's going to be Scotty at the Masters. I don't know.

It's interesting. I'm really curious what you think about this.

So, Colin Morakowa, they do that state of the game before the Players' Championship. And the week before at Bay Hill, he's in contention. Afterwards, he just misses out on winning the championship. He doesn't speak to the media. Does a player owe it to the media to speak afterwards, win or loss?

Now, I can understand after a loss, I mean, you're devastated and you think you're going to win. It doesn't happen. You are great with the media, obviously. Is it, do players, we kind of have a fixation on this. Do players have to speak to the media?

And I'll tell you where I'm at. I think you do. What do you think?

Well, I think you do because the media is going to help expose the game. Good, bad, and different. You're talking about the game. You're talking about the biggest players. You want to hear from Colin Morakow.

What happened out there? And as tough as it may be to answer those questions, you still have to show your face and kind of face the music. You're a professional. That's part of it. And I wonder where you stand on this.

Yeah, I'm in the same camp, Danny. But my the way that I was raised, you know, my dad was in professional sports and I was raised, said you, you know. You go. And it's kind of like your duty. You owe it to the game.

You owe it to these other folks that are kind of supporting the game, as you said, and exposing it, both the good and the bad. I mean, Morakawa. I think the You know, he took a beating from Rocco Mediate and from Brando Chambly, and they both said, you know, Mr. Palmer would have and and I agree with them. I think Arnold Palmer would have been really disappointed.

I think Mr. Palmer would have said, Hey, look, This is tough. But Get in there. And answer some questions. It doesn't take long.

And do your thing. And I, you know, I. I liked Morakawa's answer, Danny. He said, I feel good about what I did. I stuck around.

I signed for everybody that was around. I just, you know, I just really didn't feel like talking about it. I don't necessarily agree with it. I don't know where, you know, the tour needs to have a policy. They really do.

And I can tell you this. They don't. and they don't brief these guys, and they probably should. I mean the the The crushingness of Henley's chip going in on, you know, the third to last hole. It's tough.

That's the way she goes, man. You didn't do anything wrong. The guy won. You didn't lose. He won.

I know you wanted to win. You didn't get first place. But he took it. Yeah. And so sometimes you have to tip your cap.

And sometimes I think as fans, we need to realize that guys. Have bad days.

Now, this is the final day, and you saw the chip in on 16. That's really tough to swallow because you feel like, okay, I'm in control of the tournament. I'm going to win the Arnold Palmer invitational. It doesn't happen. But just even on day one, day two, day three, walk into your favorite Starbucks.

Sometimes guys, we're human beings. They have bad days too. Yeah, absolutely. And I, you know. I I just I get you're disappointed.

So what? Yeah. I mean, it's part of the price. You pay to do the job you do, and you're more than handsomely. Rewarded for that.

My opinion is go in there. I mean, you don't have to be cheery. You can tell it like it is. We've seen some of those interviews. Remember, Tony, you probably interviewed Tony LaRusa a thousand times, and Tony wanted to stick a knife in your head, you know, after a loss.

And you know what's interesting, Danny, is I said, and Morikawa did say this. We had Tony on the show several times, and I said, Hardest thing about your job? 100% is the media. Dealing with the media. If everybody could give me an hour.

To just let me chew it. Chew on it exactly. Morakowis said the same thing. If I could have had, you know, 45 minutes to just unwind a little, I, it, the, the way the tournament unraveled, it killed me. It just broke my heart, you know, and.

That's why we get some of the crazy interactions today, which I think are kinda colorful. For sure. You know what I mean? I mean, I think they're kind of fun. I don't know if I'd think they're fun if it was you, if it was me, but you know, sometimes you get a really dumb question at a time when you don't have a whole lot of tolerance.

And you're kind of like... Really, dude? You're asking me that question right now, and you know, things fly. Hey, I don't know. I think your point is spot on.

They're human beings, they're human beings trying to do this thing at a high level, and for the most part, they do a really good job of it. When something goes a little haywire, Hey. I think you need to stand up there and take a couple hits and then move on, you know? We'll have our charity spotlight coming up as well, which is a new addition to Golf with Jay Delsing. Also, Will Salisbury is going to be in studio.

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And also in studio, it's Will Salisbury.

So you're saying, okay, who's Will? What's the surprise? There's a new book out. It's called You Wouldn't Believe Me If I Told You an Unforgettable Memoir of Golf, Grit, and a Blue Collar Kid on the PGA Tour that is written by Jay Delsing and his co-author, Will Salisbury. Will, thanks for coming in.

We appreciate it. Oh, thank you guys for having me. This is momentous for me. This is where all the magic happens right in here. It's great for you to be here.

And the fact that this book is actually a thing now is. It's pretty crazy. I want to thank you for encouraging me to do this and actually holding my hand every step of the way. Oh, it was an amazing. Fun journey.

We drank, this is not a lie, I'm not making this up, way too much iced tea while doing this. A little bit of tequila. At the end, when we were done. That was the celebration. Danny, some of the stories started getting better with another tequila.

I can imagine. Hey, it wasn't Joe Blow, it was Jack Nicholas, I think, that was playing with us. Will, how'd you guys meet?

So, through corporate life, you know, I heard the show on the radio and I. I looked up, you know, just Jay online. I said he did corporate events. And I thought, you know, for some of our clients, this would be huge. And we met, and he was amazing with the clients.

He started telling me some stories, one in particular, which we can talk about. And then I was like, let's, I got to do a book with this guy. I said that in the back of my mind. I didn't bring it up right then because I had to slow play him. But you have written before.

I mean, this isn't just something where you said, well, I met this guy. I want to write a book. I mean, you have a history in doing this. Yeah. So I wrote.

I've written sports since probably 2014. I've been on a hiatus lately just because of work and having a new kid and. Yeah, so I mean I've ghostwritten another book on artificial intelligence, not as fun as this. Ah, you know, but might feel a tiny bit important, more important, and a little more critical in everyday life, a little AI, but. Yeah, so yeah, a ton of sports writing, just a huge sports fan.

I mean, you know, born and raised in St. Louis. And getting to sit here with a guy that's won four Emmys in the Voice of the Cardinals for 25 years. This isn't about me. This is about you guys.

I know, right?

So, what did you always want to do a book, or was this something that just kind of came about? No, I really didn't. And when Will first said, man, you should write a book, and I was like, Yeah, I have another one. We'll just get like, what are you talking about? And you were serious.

And I'm not exactly sure how many times you asked me, but I just couldn't get my hands around why. you know, why we do this, you know, like like this the stories are fun, but I figured like, you know, they're really kind of only fun for me because, you know, I felt I really the the and the overriding theme of the book, Danny, is that Yeah. How did I get here? You know what I mean? Like, wait a minute.

Like, why am I in this moment right now? You know, because it was almost like you couldn't have dropped a g a more. Awkward You know. Clueless person in a situation like I was thrown into, especially like I don't know, I don't know which ones you want to stories you want to talk about. I'll get to those in just a minute.

Let's get the background of the book and you know why you guys did it. I mean, so why did you do it? Again, so you're saying, I, you know, I, how did I get here? But did you, did you ever think I need to write a book? I got all these stories.

They just need to come out and put them on paper. Not really. I did know I had a lot of stories, but I thought almost every golfer has a lot of stories. I mean, Danny, well, when you do something for 25, 30 years, you know. 30 years, things happen, you know?

And you're like, you couldn't script that if you No, tried. Like, how am I? He's like, I don't know if I have enough for a book. And then I get a text message. Like, did I tell you about the time I almost got in a fist fight at Glenn Abbey?

I'm like, nope, but that's going to be a chapter. But, Danny, you were also very instrumental in talking about it. Because I'm like, Danny, do you think I ought to. And you were like, your kids, your kids. And that's when I started thinking about that and maybe my grandchildren and things like that.

Because I missed a lot of the girls' lives, you know. And so it was really super fun. Oh, about. A week or so ago, I sent A book to each one of the girls. And we had this little opening party.

I said, Don't open this thing I'm sending you. We're all going to get online. We all get on a Zoom call, which my kids are on Zoom calls all day. They're like, Dad, we'd rather not be on a Zoom. I go, I promise I won't keep you long.

So we all opened it, and they were like, Dad, you wrote a book. And I'm like, I know, isn't that crazy? And what was your reaction? Uh it it was very positive. I I was um I wasn't really sure what they would think.

And I said, you know, there's so many fun stories in here, and a lot of the reason that. You know, one of you can't be in two places at one time. And so this was some of the reason why I wasn't home as much as I would have liked to have been. How about for you, Will, in trying to dissect what you wanted to do with the book?

So you say, okay, I want to do a book, but then all of a sudden you got to have a little, it's like a sculpture, right? You got the clay and you got to mold it, and then you got to get to the points that you want.

So how did that all come about?

So I When I Decided I wanted to try to get Jay to do this. I wanted it to be. A non-linear sports biography. We've all read them where it's, you know. Ex-athlete was born in 1945.

Here's his entire life year by year, and it's over. And those are fine, but it's not as interesting or as fun.

So I was like, I want to turn this into, we get. A ton of stories. They're non-linear. They jump around in his life.

So he tells these stories. And then. He talks his life around that.

So, if you're talking about playing in the, you know, the FedEx St. Jude in 1993, that's great. He sets the course record, but then what's going on in your life around that time? And then the next chapter might be about. A tournament in 1987, and he talks about his life then.

So it goes back and forth. It's a little more interesting. to base it around the stories, not necessarily your life.

So that was the way I wanted it to work out. And luckily for me, there's an endless amount of stories, as you know. How do you figure out what stays in the book and what hits the the cutting room floor? That was a collaborative process. Yeah, there's a couple of things that pop to mind straight away.

I'm like, yeah, we probably shouldn't tell. He tells me the story, then I just see this look in his eyes. He's like, we should leave that one out. Let's not do that. We like you.

Good idea. Yeah, there's certain things that. Don't need to be repeated. How long you been working on the book?

So we started doing our sessions in October of 23. And it took us till May to finish writing the first draft, and then it's. finding a publisher, going back and forth, and that took months and months and It's finally out, and I'm glad we took our time and were diligent. You are going to love this book. You mentioned sessions.

Hold on, Jay.

So, what goes into a session?

So, Jay shows up at your house, vice versa. You guys meet at a bar, restaurant, and then what happens?

So, we meet at the palatial Del Cane Estates, and me, Jay, and Cooper.

Well, Cooper's a part of the book. Oh, he's your dog. Every session.

So, I just set up. You know My computer, we'd record, I'd ask him questions. He'd tell me, I want to tell you a story about this. And then that session, I'd just prompt him, you know, you said. You know, John Daly talked to you about spending 75 grand a month on alimony?

And you're like, here we go. And then they would just go off.

So that's how each of them worked. And we probably did 10 of those. It was, I mean, just a blast. Sessions for you, are they fun? They were.

They were kind of trips down memory lane. And then, you know, you reach a certain point. It's got to be age-related, I guess. But I would ask you the same question. You know, where you start thinking about some of your experiences and going.

Gosh, that's way more. You know, maybe interesting or more or cooler than I thought it would be. But when you're a young guy and you're trying to figure out what you're doing out there, it just kind of hits you and You, you know, you're like, well, whatever. I mean, Danny, we were talking, interviewing Davis Love a while back, and he was saying, you know. That that first time you play with like this really big name, it's like such a learning experience because you're glued to everything they say to you and you're with them four or five hours on the golf course and it's like it's gold.

Did you write down things when so When you didn't have your sessions and all of a sudden you're daydreaming and something came to mind, did you write that down and say, hey, I need to get this in the book?

Well, Will said. You know, what do you, how many stories do you have? I'm like, gosh, I don't know. I don't have, I don't think I have that many. I think it went something like this.

Well, you first came over, we did. You know, maybe one or two chapters. And then we started, you said, why don't you give this some thought? Like, why don't you? And then I came back to you with like, Like 15 or 20 other options.

And you're like, yeah, wow. And then we tried to choose what we thought was best or most appropriate out of that group, but it turned out to be way more than. We even filled the book with. We're going to get into the stories in a moment, but what did you learn about Jay just doing this book? What did you learn about?

Well, this is the family show. Uh, If you listen to this show, which everyone who's listening does, he's a fantastic storyteller, engaging, and. The one thing when I follow sports or any sort of topic, enthusiasm is the one thing that keeps me glued to your content. And Jay is the most enthusiastic ambassador of the game of golf. He wants, and it's genuine.

Every human being he meets to love the game of golf, to play it and get something from it. I think we should take a quick moment and let's talk about your new swingers that you have that showed up at your front door one day. My daughter calls my golf clubs my swingers. She's four and a half. She's like, get your swingers, dad.

So, Jay really wanted to play. I'm like, you don't have clubs. I can borrow him. He's like, hold on, hold on. You're a hoop.

You're a hoop guy. You're an athlete. Yeah. I played basketball and softball my whole life.

So I just get home one day and there's a new set of strata golf clubs. And he's like, he's apologizing. These aren't the best. These aren't the best. And my glit does, I wouldn't know.

He's like, beat the, can I say hell? Yeah. Beat the hell out of these for four or five years. Then we'll get you some good clubs.

Well, I get a text and he's like, oh, gosh, my daughter, she loves it. She's calling dad. Let's go outside and get your swingers out. The book is called, You Wouldn't Believe Me If I Told You an Unforgettable Memoir of Golf, Grit, and a Blue Collar Kid on the PGA Tour, The Forward by Jack Nicholas, co-authored with Will Salisbury. Jay, I have talked to you a bunch about the book.

You, in a way, get kind of uncomfortable with it, don't you? I do. It makes me emotional now. I don't know how some of these things happened to me. I mean, when you think about my UCLA experience, And part of my scholarship, which was mandatory for me to go to college, I had to have a full scholarship doing something or else I wasn't going.

Mandatory from your parents. Right. I mean, it was just, that's just the way it was. We just didn't have any money. And I wind up living in probably, this is 1979.

I'm living in at least. I don't some the house for the house is for sale right now for $31 million. It's on the 9th T Beller Country Club. It's Lana Turner's old home. And I lived in that for four years.

But you gotta remember, like, part of the book is my parents dropped me off at the curb at Lambert. I've got my golf clubs on my shoulder. I got... A little bag, and that's everything I own. And I'm going on TWA and I'm flying out to school.

And I don't know, you guys have flown into LAX before. It's a kind of marginally terrifying airport. I mean, there are so many different nationalities running around, so many different languages. You know, it's just disconcerning a little bit. I don't know one person in L.A.

Yeah. I don't know one person on the golf team. I had met Tom Pernice once before because he was from Kansas City. That was it. And some stranger picks me up at LAX and drops me off at this mansion.

And the woman, Mrs. McCulloch, she's not even home. He hands me my key and says, This is where you're staying. I'm like, what are we doing?

So you get emotional over the book. I do. I get emotional over the book because it's just like. Corey Paven was the college, the NCAA College Player of the Year my senior year in high school. And he's in Sproul Hall.

That's the dorm. And I'm over here in Lana Turner's old house. It's pretty good. I had three dogs. I got.

Yeah. We'll get into some of those stories in just a moment. Will, as we wrap up this segment, we'll head to a commercial break. What do you hope that people get out of the book? Yeah.

Just going to get to know Jay, and anyone you ask if you know Jay Delsing, you love Jay Delsing. I've told everyone, you're going to laugh through the first 17 chapters. Chapter 18 is going to make you cry, but you are absolutely going to love this book and just learn to love golf and all the stories around it that you will never ever hear anywhere else. Jay, how about for you? What do you hope people get out of the book?

Yeah, just a little bit. I think more for me is the appreciation of what golf does. You know, as, you know, I know I'm on my back nine here somewhere along the line. Hopefully I'm on hold 10. I don't know.

But the thing is, golf has provided everything for me. And Danny, we talk about this all the time on the show where we call it a societal powerhouse because it raised your golf tournament. The special needs tournament that you've run for almost 25 years raises $500,000 a year for these. for these sick kids. We could have a pickup basketball game.

We could have a softball game. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work the same way. And so forget about the fact that the PGA Tour donates more money to charity every year than Major League Baseball, NBA, NFL, and NHL combined. In our community here in St.

Louis, every single Monday. There's tournaments for families, for children's hospitals, for boys and girls' clubs. You you name it. I mean, Danny, the the Stiefold Charity Classic Will, which you guys are graciously involved in. Almost $4 million after four years for the North County area.

I mean, I know. You're as proud of that as I am. Absolutely.

So, you want people to understand that you just feel lucky. Yeah, I don't want to game, but this is the game. This happened to me. Anybody can do it. You can set a dream.

And you can actually Attain it and it's it's staggering but i used to tell the girls when they were you know getting really good at volleyball and getting scholarships and things like this i was like you guys some little girl is going to be the outside hitter for the national team she's probably not very little but she you know or or the setter i mean that can happen so you gotta aim for the top Again, the book, you wouldn't believe me if I told you an unforgettable memoir of golf, grit, and a blue-collar kid on the PGA Tour. The forward by Jack Nicholas. We're going to get into that in just a moment, co-authored with Will Salisbury and Jay Delsing. You're listening to Golf with Jay Delsing. That was the front nine.

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Now let's get back to Jay and Dan. Back on Golf with Jay Delsing, coming to you from the Car Shield Studios. I'm Dan McLaughlin. That's Jay Delsing, and also with us, co-author of the book that we'll get into in just a moment, Will Salisbury, the book, You Wouldn't Believe It Believe Me If I Told You, an unforgettable memoir of golf grit and a blue-collar kid on the PGA Tour. Jay, I'll start with you on this segment, but you got the forward by Jack Nicholas.

How awesome was that? You know, it's a perfect example of this book. I'm like, Will is like, who are we going to write? You know, who can we write? Get to write some of these, you know, forewords in the introduction and things like that.

And I'm like, Well, gosh, I mean, we had just had Barbara Nicholas on the show. I'm like. Why don't start at the top? I wonder. And so I reached out and.

The questions were interesting because I expected to just say, it's either going to be okay or no. And it wasn't that at all. It was like, Are you sure you're going to be writing a book? Are you sure? And I said, Oh, we're committed.

We are committed. And actually, this is from Jack's people. Yeah. Well, and I was working, I worked closely with Scott Tully, who's going to come on the shows. He has been Jack's guy for 25 years.

And Scott and I have been friends.

So, Scott was the one, Diddy, that got us the interview with Jack Nicholas. This should have been in the book, probably, too. And he said, You've got six minutes with Jack. I said, Scott, we'll take 60 seconds with Jack. I felt come on there.

So, we've got Jack on the phone, and we're doing this interview. And it's, I look down at the recording, and we're at like 14 minutes. And all of a sudden, I look over at my phone, it's lit up, it's lit up, it's like, Jay, Jack's got another meeting. And I'm like, I'm not saying a word, you know.

So, Jack, so we asked the question about. Golf course design. Jack just kind of lit up, you know, and then started talking about the Normandy Project and all of these other things that these American dunes up in Michigan and things like that. And all of a sudden, I look at my phone. I've got I don't know, 15 messages from Scott.

He's like, I told you. And finally, I said, Scott, I'm not telling Jack to be quiet. You know, we gotta let Jack go. And so we had Jack on for like 31 minutes or so, whatever that was, Danny. And you know, it was such a treat.

And he was laughing and engaging. And I said to Scott, man, I'm sorry, but this just kind of organically happened. And when we Asked about You know, a piece for the book. The biggest Issue that I saw from them was like, are you really going to do it? Because this is a question that gets asked a lot.

He doesn't say yes very often because most of the time people don't follow through with the book. And I said, I think, well, we had just finished the manuscript, didn't we? Yeah, we sent a couple chapters over. We sent everything where we had talked about Jack and told stories about the memorial, all of his different tournaments. I think that's what kind of did it.

Because I had known Jackie extremely well. I had a It's part of the book. I had it right on Air Nicholas once. You know, it's super cool. Again.

What am I doing there? Yeah, but but I mean, that's kind of how it went. How about the golfers, Will, that are featured in the book? I know people will be curious about that outside of Jay, but with his stories, who else is featured in the book? It's a who's who of golf in the 80s, 90s and 2000s.

So if you're If you're listening to this show, you're a hardcore golf fan. You're going to love it. I mean, we're talking all the guys from UCLA. If you're a huge Duffy Waldorf fan, you're going to love this book. Pradesh Jr.

Paven. My favorite stories I have ever heard about any sports figure ever in the history of sports are the stories about Steve Pate in this book. The Human Volcano. The Human Volcano. It's just, I have read the book probably 10 times from editing, and every time I read the Steve Pate stories, I have to stop because I'm laughing out loud, literally.

But the ones that were that, like we went through, we just talked about. Mr. Nicholas.

So when you're writing a story about John Daly or, you know, Steve Paycourt. You know, you give a lot of time and effort to editing, make sure it's correct. But when you're writing a chapter about Jack Nicholas, it's. I'm like, oh, I gotta research this up and down and Him, Mr. Palmer.

The fact I mean, you know, Jay is a grown man. He's raised four kids. He's got a great life, a great show. And he still refers to Arnold Palmer as Mr. Palmer or the king only.

And so doing chapters like that about those kind of golfers, you really, it's like my research skills and all that came in. Extreme, extremely handy because those are the most important to me. Danny, one of the things that I'm so glad you brought that up is because, you know, my memory of years, Will's like, how many course records do you have? I'm like, I have no idea. And it turned out, you know.

Oh, humble brag. I have no idea. How many course records do I have? Remember, you'd be like, what year was that? I'm like.

I think it was in the 80s. I mean, I could get the decade right. He did all that sort of research. And then we had this wild incident in Los Angeles where I actually witnessed a murder, you know, and that's in the book. And and Will's like, I promise you, you were probably wondering, like, Delson, you're off your rocker or if this did not happen.

We found an old copy of the L.A. Times. We found an old copy of the L.A. Times, and it's right in there.

So there was a lot of that had to get done. Jane, did you feel like you needed to call some of these guys that were featured in the book and say, do you remember it like I remember it? Or, you know, just to kind of get their approval that they were going to, because I know you don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. Yeah, we're not going to do that. That's not what the book is about.

We didn't really take shots at anybody other than Scott Hope. banged up a little bit, justifiably so. And and um Lawrence Taylor, maybe a little bit not bad, but Yeah. Wait a little bit. He's the last guy on earth I want to tick off.

Yeah. Yeah, right. So we'll go ahead. We know, Danny, one thing that I didn't realize you needed to do is that if there's going to be, if you're going to use a picture, I'm not going to ask you about that. permission and I'll tell you a really cool story so I wrote Well, there's a great picture of Arnold Palmer and I and a couple other golfers.

Well, Will will tell you the funny part about getting rid of the other golfers and making it look like it's just Arnold and I. But I wrote this really heartfelt letter to Amy, who is Arnold's daughter, who is married to Roy Saunders, who runs the Bay Hill Club and the tournament. And they're the parents of Sam Saunders, who was who played on tour for a few years and was Arnold's grandson. And I said, you know, gosh, here's this picture. My friend and I are writing this book, and we would really love to have this picture in here if you don't mind.

And Mr. Palmer had signed it for me, customized it for me, and it was just awesome. And so she came back with the nicest, nicest. I mean, oh my gosh, thank you for asking. We would be flattered, you know, la la la.

And then. Donald Trump comes out. About a month or so later about this Arnold Palmer thing and the locker room story. And she wrote me back and said, this is the kind of stuff That just Makes my family and I crazy. Yeah, I bet.

It just does such a disrespect to dad. You know, and that's why your letter was so... You know, having saying yes to the picture you wanted to use was so easy because look at this. And now it's an embarrassment to our family. What did you guys learn about writing a book and just all the different things that you have to do with copyright infringement, things of that nature that go into this?

You mentioned pictures, but I can't imagine to making sure that everything, every. I is dotted, every T is crossed. We've been over this book a lot. The tenses. Trying to retell a story, Danny, that happened 25 years ago and get it in the right tense and Yeah.

You know, trying to figure out, like, do we, how do we, and staying consistent with that tense throughout the paragraph or the chapter? Jay tells stories, you know, I mean, you talk twice.

Well, you always tell it in real time. You tell it in present tense.

So I'm on the third, I'm hitting a shot, and like, no one needed to say I was on the third. Yeah, yeah. I'm hitting a shot, and I'm like, give me a break. Because those crossed over, Danny, well, you know, I'm all over the place, and there's no tenses at all when I'm talking. It's like all about everything.

Did you guys have a tiger? Episode in this uh book. Oh, yeah. Chapter, just a little episode, a little blur. What do you got?

There's a few, like, they're all funny. They're locker room stories, so it's not like I was there when Tiger, you know, this is. You know, Jay's in the locker room with Tiger, and I'll just take you from here. Tiger Woods takes his shirt off. Yeah.

Sitting right next to him. I'm sitting right next to him and I go. I just look at him and I go. Really, dude? And he goes.

Yeah, it's amazing. I've gained like 25 pounds and my waist size is still 30 and I'm like. Are you kidding me? You look like a linebacker. Put your shirt back on.

So how did he receive that? Oh, he was, dude, it was. You get along with him well. Yeah, you're fine with him. Yeah, he's.

Well, first of all, I write him a letter every year thanking him for everything he's done because he just raised everybody's water level so much. But I mean, he worked his butt off, man, and he came out and I got the tail end of my career. I got to see. You know, a generational type talent. I mean, he just, it was, it was ridiculous.

And you got to remember, guys, not one player in the history of the PGA tour had ever touched a weight before Tiger. And now he comes out, Danny, I'm not kidding you. He's. He's probably not even 30. And he's built like a Middle linebacker from the waist up.

I mean, he's still got tiny little legs, but all of a sudden he's just jacked. And I'm like, What are you gonna do with all that? And you told me, it's in the book, there's two PGA tours, the one before Tiger and the one since Tiger came on. Is there a you ever figured out how many hours you guys put into the book? Oh, let's not do that.

No, a lot. Might be a lot. They're all fun, though. It's not work when you're having fun. We had a vlog.

Well, you're easy to be with, and the stories were fun. The. Gosh, I mean, we're gonna get into those two. Yeah, without giving away the book. Yeah, sure.

So let's take a quick timeout. I'll throw some names at you next segment and tell me what comes to mind.

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So I'll throw a name out there. You tell me, Will, what comes to mind and what was written in the book without giving away too much? Lightning round. I like this. I'll start with the guy that did the forward.

Just, you know, you talked about it a little bit with Jack Nicholas, and Jay talked about the background and getting him to do it. But what comes to mind when you think of the book? Just his One He's one of those guys like Stan Musual. I have never read or heard a single negative thing about him. Everyone says he's the nicest man they've ever met, like they say about Mr.

Musiu.

So it's that. My name is on the cover of a book with Jack Nicholas. I mean, I was born at St. Louis City Hospital, right? The worst hospital in St.

Louis. And now that is where my life is.

So it's surreal. That I mentioned in that same Breath is Jack Nicholas. And then the So, in all the research we talked about earlier, the craziest stat, this may be. This stat blows my mind. Jack Nicholas in the nineteen seventies played in all forty majors.

He finished in the top 10 35 times. Wow. That is amazing. That is staggering. It's and the thing, you know, in the book, it's like his first masters, he finished, I think, tied for eighth.

And his last masters, 36 years later, he finished or then 36 years later, 1996, he tied for sixth. Uh who The man's not real.

So like to have him as the forward, Jay, I mean, he's one of your idols. Like, that's just, it's mind-blowing. No question. I can still remember on the 13-inch black and white TV, rabbit ears, the whole thing, watching fuzzy golf and watching him hit this shot. I'll never forget the shot he hit.

I think it was the one iron. He hit Danny at 17 at Pebble Beach at the U.S. Open. They hit the flagstick and fell straight down. And I'm like, that's got to be one of the best shots that's ever in the entire existence of golf.

I mean, to get when he said yes, I remember golf and Will, like, I just won the lottery. I'm like, Jack said yes, Jake said yes. You know, it was like, oh, the only person that else knew about that, so I've had the same best friend since I was nine years old, Dave. And I'm like, Dave, you can't tell anybody this. But Jay just got Jack Nicholas to say he left.

Then he said a couple expletives. He's like, are you serious? I'm like, Dude, he's like, How big? I don't know. I know.

It's great. I know. How about Arnold Palmer? Will, what do you remember with putting that together for the chapter on Arnie in the book?

So. Mr. Palmer, it Just the way that he carried himself as a man. And then my favorite Arnold Palmer story is the one about: Jay, you don't wear your hat in the king's house. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. You talked about that on the show last week, weren't you? It still makes me a little crazy that I was so. I mean, if I look back at it, he's teeing me up to stop, to just not do it.

And I'm like, I am thinking, I'm going to win the King's tournament. I'm eating the King's food. I'm the King's friend. You know, all that. The King almost ripped my arm in half by just squeezing it.

He was like, because the Morton Orwood. The amazing Norwood Hills Country Club, Jay and I. And he walks into the clubhouse. The first thing he does is take his hat off. I'm like, Oh, I take it off all the time.

I took it off. You know, Danny and I go and have lunch, and we wear caps almost every dang day of our life. But I don't, I, it's that had such an impact on me as a human. And then I come to find out that so many of my friends had the exact same thing happen to them. We're like, we're just a clueless lot of kids, you know, just trying to figure it out.

You told me during the break to ask you about Scott Hoke.

Well, I didn't know who Scott Hoke was. I just watched golf on TV. I'm not sure. I did a lot of research on Scott Hoke in 1989. They did a tour of all PGA golfers, and Scott Hoke was voted as least popular.

So Jay's story is not out of the blue then.

So, Danny, I'm paired with Scott and Neil Lancaster, which is probably the second least favorite guy on tour. And some of you are like, How did you get that pair? I'm like, I'm good. I'm staying, I'm just staying on my side of the fairway or in the rough, wherever the hell I hit it. We'll be fine.

So, Danny, we're cruising along Glen Abbey, one of my favorite courses to play. The Canadian Open was there forever until it started moving around it. And I probably should have won that tournament two or three times. But anyway. On the ninth hole, and they played it like it was a national open for them.

So the golf course was, I mean, a long rough, it was like a U.S. Open for us. And on the ninth hole, it's one of the hardest holes on the golf course, kind of a narrow fairway, and a lake guards the front and the right part of the green. And Neil Lancaster and I both drive it in the rough, and it's in the right rough. Scott Hoke is in the fairway, hits his second shot on the green.

Neil and our ball, my ball, happened to be about six or eight inches apart. And I'm walking up, and I can see one ball bright and shiny, and then the other is like. Is there a ball under there? And I'm like, I wonder which one is the Delsing ball.

Well, you could guess. Mine was buried. But. Because it was so far under the grass, I'm like, I said to Neil, Neil, I'm gonna make sure this is my ball. You could hit a wrong ball.

It'd be a two-shot penalty.

So, Neil's standing right there. I got in there, put my T down where my ball is. Look at it. Yep, Tyler Strip. Put it back.

Neil hits his ball because he's got such a good life right on the green. I have to chip my ball out. 15 or 20 feet.

So I chip it on the fairway, hit it on the green, make a bogey, and off we go.

Now we're headed down the 10th. Fair the next hole. And something's off in the group, more so than normal.

Something's always off with these two. But something's off more than normal. And I went over to Neil and I said, Neil, what's up? And he goes, nothing, man. Just don't worry about it.

I go, dude, what is going on? And he goes, Scott says you cheated on the last hole. And so all of a sudden, my mind starts racing. I'm like, oh my gosh, what did I do wrong? Like, what did I, I'm like, what did I do?

And he goes, he said that when you identified your ball in the rough. that you didn't you gave yourself a better lie. I said, Neil, I chipped it out 15 feet. He goes, I told him he's out of his mind. You're just crazy.

He didn't do that. And so I'm like, that's nuts.

Okay, so we go off, off we go. Scott plays lousy. I'm playing well. Neil is out in La La Land.

Okay.

So for our next round, we're in the, that was in an afternoon tea time, and there are 40,000, 50,000 fans there. It's Awesome to play in front of there. We're out in the morning.

Okay, so we get off the first. And now Niels played so lousy that he plays two holes and just walks in. He says, I've had enough.

Okay.

So I see Scott Hoken. I'm like, this is like playing by yourself. Except with like a fence post, you know, it's just brutal. And we're going along, and I'm having a nice tournament. And I'm inside the, I'm right around the top 10.

And we get to the 18th hole. It's a par five. It's at that famous hole. The tiger hit that crazy iron shot out of the right fairway bunker to that back right pin, made Bertie to beat Grant Waite. It was one of the most famous shots.

I think it was around 2000. He did that.

Well, I hit it in a bunker just short of that. And Scott Hoax and the Fairway. And Danny, we take four steps off the ATT and the heavens open up. I mean, not a drizzle. It is a deluge.

And by the time we get to the fairway, there's. Rivers running down the fairway. Get walking up to the fairway bunker where my ball is, and the horn goes off.

Okay, so play has been suspended.

Now, under suspension of play, you have to mark your ball wherever it is.

So, through the green, you mark your ball, and then you get off the course because that means it's also dangerous conditions, and we need to get the spectators out of the lightning.

Okay, so it's a big deal.

So, you got to make this, you got to. Make this snappy.

So, the biggest thing is making sure you know where your ball is so that when you come back under suspension, you put it right back where it was.

So, I'm taking yardage, my caddy's taking yardage. I go, listen, you get it off the back of the bunker, I'll get it off the sprinkler head and the front of the bunker. We'll coordinate all this to make sure we get this right.

So, I walk into the bunker, I got two T's, I put them away because they're going to come in and re-rake this bunker.

So, I got to put them down there, but I got to be able to find them so I can put my ball back. And I do that. I'm walking out of the sand trap, kind of putting my ball in my rain jacket. I'm holding my umbrella because it's pouring down. And from the other side of the fairway, Scott Hope comes running over and says, Oh my God, I can't believe you're cheating again.

Again. Again. And Danny. I didn't see white yet. But my head almost snapped off.

I was like, because you can do, you can get away with a lot of things on the PGA tour, but if you're labeled a cheater, It's a problem. That's a stain for the rest of the day. It is like the big red letter. It is. And so I'm like, I just charge after him.

Now, there's Mike Eddie. His cabby Scott Hoak. How tall is Scott Hoke? And Scott Hoak's, I don't know. He's he seemed like he was about 5'2 at that day, but I'm sure he's about six foot tall.

But anyway, and and a scorer, a scorer and a a young lady who's carrying our our Stanchion to tell us where we are. Scott's missing the cut. He's got no chance to make the cut. One hole left. I'm easily making the cut.

I'm contending for the championship. I'm like, what?

So I run over to him.

Now we have two umbrellas up, and I'm holding this umbrella. And I'm like, what are you talking about? And he goes, I can't, you're not allowed to mark your ball. And he starts going off, and he's completely wrong. And Danny, with every word that comes out of his mouth, steam is rolling out of my ear.

So. I grab him by the back of the neck. And because he's like, I'm going inside. I'm like, you're not going anywhere. I grab him in the back of the neck.

Now the tension out there is thick. And our score, she's nervous. And I said, ma'am. Call an official. And she looks at me, I'm like, Could you please call an official?

And Scout's like, I'm going inside. I'm like, dude, you're not going anywhere.

So we're standing out in the middle of pouring rain. And there are two people left on the two players left on the golf course with a one or a poor little scorer, our caddies, and our and our poor little girl carrying our stanchion. We get a tour official comes up.

Now, because we're in Canada, the PGA Tour does this in conjunction with the Canadian PGA.

So you got to see, you could get a PGA tour guy to come out for a ruling, or you could get a CPGA tour guy, a Canadian PGA tour guy. We get a Canadian PGA Tour official. It's just the same. He knows the same, but he's just not familiar to me because I don't.

So I'm thinking. I don't know, I could break this guy's neck. I am so. Pissed. And I've got a I don't know I do not have a short fuse.

But It's lit. And so this guy finally drives up, and Danny, he is standing in puddles of water in his cart in the middle of the fairway. And I know he has no clue. What's going on?

So he looks at, and he kind of gets the gist because I've got Scott by the scruff of the neck, and I'm underneath his umbrella. And he goes, What's going on here? And I said, Sir, would you please tell this? Blink blink power. That I am entitled to mark my ball in this fairway bunker under suspension of play.

And he goes. What? And I said, I marked the horns went off. I marked my ball. He's accusing me of cheating.

And he goes. Well, of course you are. And I said I said Thank you. And he looks at me like and I go Leave, please. Because now I'm trying to figure out so He leaves.

I asked the lady Scora, would you mind just walking ahead a little bit, please? Because I did not want her to hear what was coming next. I bet. And I can't say everything that I said to him, but for the main thing, the main reason, Danny, he had this reputation of this being. Not a great guy.

No.

Okay.

No.

And I let him. I said, I have heard ever since I got on the PGA tour that you were this. And I said, I have tried and tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but today, You left no doubt in my mind. And then I pushed him, and I'm like, just leave me alone.

So, Danny, I go in, and now I'm upset. I'm like, are you just like a serial killer? What is wrong with you? But my cat is like, what do you want? I go, just go home.

We're done for the day. Just go home. We'll figure this out. He goes, You good? I go, No.

Nope, but I'll be fine.

So I decided I'm going to go up to player dining. And I'm going to just chill out.

So there's a place in the corner. I was all by myself and I had just gotten like something to drink and I just was, you know, drinking like a Coke or something. And I've got my head down. I'm like thinking, man, what the heck just happened? And I get this tap on my shoulder.

And it's Scott Hoax. Dad. And I look at him, and I had met him once before in Orlando, and I said. Hi. And I'm still.

And he said, you know, I just want to apologize for my son. I've told him, I've told him, and I've told him that he just needs to shut his mouth and that and he didn't exactly say that in those words, but he had some other expletives and he said, and I just want to apologize to you. And I was dumbfounded. I bet. I was dumbfounded.

This is a guy's dad. And then I was like, okay, well, we got to get over this. Yeah. And 225 pages of the book, you only like light up two people.

So that just kind of tells you that this wasn't, you're not a hot-tempered guy. Like I said, I run a little hot. You do not. You, yeah. You idle at a good 30 miles an hour, probably.

So Jay has a new book. It's called You Wouldn't Believe Me If I Told You an Unforgettable Memoir of Golf, Grit, and a Blue Collar Kid on the PGA Tour. This is really kind of the release today on Golf with Jay Delsing, the forward by Jack Nicholas, Jay Delsing with co-author Will Salisbury.

Now, we're talking about a lot of golfers that are in the book, but there's a lot of dignitaries, celebrities, and I know you dig into that a little bit too, Will. Yeah, so there's you know Coming up to the game of golf, you've played with a couple presidents. You've played with, you know, obviously the greats of the game. But the reason, the impetus to start this book, I'm sitting in Wild Crush with Jay. We just did an event together and we're talking about it.

And he turns around and he goes, did you ever tell you about the time I played golf with Sean Connery? I'm like, well, now you have my attention.

So he tells me, I don't want to spoil the first time. This was before we ever thought about writing a book. But he's telling me the story. It's chapter one of the book. The chapter's called The Name's Delsing, Jay Delsing.

And he talks about. Sean Connery asked him to play nine holes. which at Bel Air Right? And he's telling me the story. He's walking through.

He's like, Yeah, let me go to the clubhouse. And he introduced me to some guy named Steven. And.

Some guy named George. And he's like, they're George Lucas and Steven Spielberg. And I'm like, are you? I'm like, this can't be real. It couldn't have been real.

I mean, again, it's like how, Danny, here's the other thing. Sean Connery carried his bag with, I'm 18. I've been in L.A. for a month. I don't even know where.

I'm still trying to figure out how not to get kicked out of this unbelievable house that I live in. And like, what's happening? And now he taps me on the shoulder on the putting green and says, young man, would you care to play nine holes of golf with me? And I'm like, sir, I'm not a member. I'm like, I don't know what.

And he goes, oh, you're with the UCLA golf team. I just asked in the pro shop. They said it's fine. Danny, I'm like a little puppy. I'm sprinting over to get my golf bag to go play golf with James Bond.

James Bond. That's it's just and at that point you got to think this is 1978, 79.79, yeah. He's one of the five most famous people on the planet at this point. And then there's, you know, Jay Delson, who six weeks earlier was living in North County. It's amazing.

One of the things I know that is special to your heart is your dad. Yeah. And there is a lot written about your dad. Will, I'll let you start. But and for people that don't know, Jim Delsing was a former Major League player, very distinguished Major League Baseball career.

So there's, you know, there's athleticism in the family, but I know he writes about his dad. Yeah, so we start and that was the hardest chapter to write. 'Cause that's Jay's dad. Uh you know. We all love our dads.

It's a different thing. You got to do a ton of research. And I knew he played ball. I was like, well, I'm going to go. I go to his baseball reference.

And I'm like, this guy. Was one of the best defensive center fielders of the 1950s, just by every defensive metric.

So he wasn't just a guy. You know, he hurt his back, and that's where his career kind of topped off.

So I was like, okay, so this guy is a legit Major League Baseball player. I don't know what his comp would be today. Maybe a. I don't know, what would you say? Probably maybe a Harrison Bader type, a little more power, a little more consistency, like an excellent defensive outfielder.

And so, getting that in there, getting all of that correct, getting the timelines of his career correct, when he came up, when he was traded, that was all important to me that I wanted to get. Write and do Jay's father justice. Like, this has to be told. Exactly correct because your sisters are going to read it, and I don't want you getting text messages. Oh, yeah, exactly.

Toughest part of the book for you. Yeah, no doubt. Getting to play golf with dad and my brother, you know, living those things at the time, like I said earlier, you're like. Dad's just a little off, you know? Like he's some of the golf stories, hitting himself in the head with a ball that hits a tree in front of him and, you know, driving our...

The car that my brother and I are supposed to use, this old 66 Mustang having the accelerator stick and go flying out the entrance of Norwood Hills across two lanes of Lucas and Hunt going the wrong way and then him deciding to throw the car in the park. I mean, you know, just insane. I mean, when we look back on it, I'm like. This really happened. Yeah.

You know? It must have just stirred those so many memories and emotions for you thinking about your dad. Absolutely.

Yeah. He just seemed like an amazing, fun dad to learn about. The stories, they're heartfelt and they're hilarious. You know, Bart maybe hitting a low screamer into the back end of a beagle. Danny, I grew up on a muni that's a soybean field now in North County.

It was North Shore Country Club, and I don't know how they got Country Club behind it, but for 200 bucks, you could play all year, every day, and we probably did. We used to, my mom would be working and traveling somewhere, so it's my dad and my brother and I. And we'd have dinner and then we'd go down and play nine holes at North Shore. And we took this little, we used to call it the whiskey route where we go, we start on one and go, instead of going from seven green to eight T, we go from seven green to seventeenth T and play 17 and 18 in. It brought us back to the car.

It's fantastic.

Well, it's dark and dusky. And my brother's on the T. And He's not hitting. And my dad So Get up there and hit the ball. And my brother's like, dad, but.

He's like, hit the ball. And he goes, there's a dog in the way. And now it's dark. And then we look out there, and maybe 100, 120 yards, there's this. Poor old Beagle, he is just moseying across the fairway.

I mean, if we wait for him, he won't get across the fairway before dark. And my dad's like, get up and hit them. You couldn't hit this. Damn dog, if you tried, you know.

Well, sure enough, Bart just takes this low screamer that takes one skip and hits right in the hindquarters of this beagle. The beagle yelps. I can't, I can't even take it. My dad's like, you guys are a mess. Like, how the, but my brother basically calls the shot.

This is impossible to do, and then pulls it off. And my dad's like, whatever. Yeah. You know, just like, what's wrong with you guys? Had to bring up those so many emotions.

Yeah. I can't imagine. Yeah, you know, it makes you.

Well, you know, your dad's not with us anymore either, Danny. It just makes you miss them a lot. It makes you. Um Appreciate the times that you had and wish, you know, just to be able to call. You know, instead of just call and say, Hey, what's going on?

Or just one more lunch or something like that would be, you know, special. As we wrap it up on this particular look at Jay's book, the reaction, Will, that you've gotten. I know some people have been able to read it, got an early copy. What's been their reaction? They love the stories.

They love that it's not. Just a golf book. It's these behind-the-scenes stories woven in with his life, which is an amazing life, which you know. They laugh a lot and they just you know, you've heard from You know, your buddies you sent it to. It's just, it's, you're going to laugh a lot.

You're going to learn stuff you didn't learn that you didn't know. And it's just, it's all been positive. Yeah, same. Same. My sister's had some questions just about, like, I didn't realize you saw it like that.

I'm like, well. That's kind of you know, when you start off the game as a caddy. It's just different. And back then, Danny, go over to Norwood as a caddy. And there's 45 caddies every day.

I mean, more people took caddies than took golf carts back when we started. And now it's it's two or three percent of the people that play. And so but you got to remember, there were f 40, 50 year old men in the caddy room when you're twelve and thirteen. It's an eye-opener. What would you like to say to Will?

Oh, thank you. Oh, Jesus. Oh, thank you. No, tremendous. Thank you.

The fact that all of the reasons that you were telling me about were true. You know, I really enjoyed it. You're one of my dearest friends now. But just getting those things on paper, it's really fun. I'm really pleasantly surprised because I still had.

My doubts. Will best way to get the book.

So, this is kind of our official launch, if you will. I know some people have been able to get a copy or two, but the best way to get the book is how to do it. Go to jdelsongolf.com. There's a page on there. You click through.

To pre-order and order on mascot books, it'll you have unlimited early access to the book. It's not officially out, but if you order through this particular link, you'll get it sent to you. Mascot Books is the way to go now. It'll eventually be on Amazon and some of these others, but Mascot Books is the way to go. And they were actually been great to work with.

Awesome publishing house. You're going to sign a few too? Sure. Look, I think we're selling them for $28, and with my signature, they go for $27.50. That's awesome.

I love it. Jay, great stuff. Will, thanks for coming in. We really appreciate it. Appreciate you guys.

This has been great.

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Again, Jay, congratulations on the book. If you're wondering, once again, how you can get the book, jdelsinggolf.com, mascot books as well. You wouldn't believe me if I told you an unforgettable memoir of golf, grit, and a blue-collar kid on the PGA tour. We did a lot of talk in there about Jack Nicholas. I do want to ask you, though, about David Faraday.

You spoke with him for the book, and he mentioned a lot about some of the experiences you guys had. He is hilarious, and he writes a fun little passage in the book, doesn't he? Yeah, he really does. It's David writes the. The introduction, I guess, and it's just hysterical.

The way that we wrote the book, whenever we would introduce a celebrity or someone, we would give some of his vitals, like how tall, how much they weighed, their net worth, things like that.

So Faraday starts his. His introduction with David Faraday from Dublin, Ohio, 175 pounds, born with one buttock. You know, and I'm like, and so, you know, Danny, what's interesting about this book? Is that And I guess as it was unfolding to me, I knew this somewhat inherently, but didn't really think about it. All of these situations should happen.

With the exception of one person being in the room, and that's me. You know, there's with Sean Connery, you know, and getting to play golf with him, what a treat. And then walking through the Bel Air Country Club men's locker room, going to the grill to have a drink with this guy when I'm 18 years old, and him stopping to introduce me to two fellas, one named Steve and one named George. I'm so enamored. With Sean Connery and the experience I just had on the golf course.

And now I get to go sit down and have a drink with him when I'm underage and I can't wait. And he introduces me to two people that I'm blinded. I don't care. I'm like, nice to meet you, sirs. And off we go.

And then he stops and tells me that's Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. But honestly, Danny, they meant nothing to me. I just like, okay. And then, but what's kind of fun about that, you know, you like Steven Spielberg net worth 4.9 billion, George Lincoln's net worth, you know, and you're like, it's just, it's just kind of crazy. And, but that's all, you know, it goes back to golf.

I mean, it's every single story is another tribute to the game that just brings people together and does amazing things.

So, this is really our official release of the book, but some people have gotten an early copy, you know, family, friends, that kind of thing. What's been their reaction so far? It's been pretty good, hasn't it? Pretty good so far. Yeah, I think people are surprised.

I, I, um, to put all the stories, you know, there's a wide variety of stories. There's, there's a, we talk at one point about I witnessed a murder in Los Angeles when I was about 20 years old, which is. Unbelievable. So, when Will and I are doing this, we're putting this together, and I said, Oh my gosh, you're not going to believe this. You know, he's like, Do you have any?

Stories you forgot about. I go, yeah, there was, I was walking with Mickey O'Coy, who was, I think I was a freshman, and he was a junior, whatever it was. And we're going to hit balls at Los Angeles Country Club. And I hear this pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. We turn the corner, Danny, we're on foot, and I see this black car run into this eucalyptus tree, and the door flies open, and this guy has got bullet holes all over him.

Blood. He had, it was a black. Lincoln sedan. And it was at Wilshire Boulevard, and I forget the cross street, but it's right there by Los Angeles Country Club. And this guy's dead in the car, and I was like, What the heck's going on, man?

And it turns out that we did the research, and it was a Turkish consulate that was killed, and some other wild group took. Credit for it, but I mean, so you have wild stories in this. It's a, you know, we have, I play golf with Lawrence Taylor at Pebble Beach, and we call that four terrifying days or three terrifying days at Pebble Beach because Lawrence just had that personality. I thought he could just tear people limb from limb and thought he might, you know. By the way, you don't have to think about it.

He could. Yeah, he could. Yeah. Danny. Big man.

Just a huge man. I mean, I almost got into a fight with Scott Hoke at the at Glen Abbey, which we which we touched on, and which is. You know, as I look back on it, it's pretty, pretty funny story. And, and, and then it just kind of goes on and on. Their Justin Timberlake story in there just destroyed my daughters.

They're like, I mean, I'd never heard of this kid, and I didn't know who he was. And, you know, my caddy. Says, oh, so you're friends with Justin Timmerlike. I'm like, who's that? You know, so.

There's a lot of fun in there that we just keep going. And then you have, you know, several chapters dedicated to Arnold Palmer and, you know, Jack Nicholas. And yeah, man, I don't know. It's like, what am I doing with these guys? That's awesome.

JdelsingGolf.com and Mascot Books is where you want to find it. Also, at the Missouri Athletic Club, coming up, you're going to have a party, so to speak, and that'll be a release of the book as well, but a get-together Q ⁇ A, that kind of thing coming up. First of all, we got to give a massive shout out to the MAC, and I know they're going to be our tip of the cap today, but we love. My MAC, I don't know what you call your MAC. My MAC, that's right.

We love my MAC, but. We I do you think they're getting sick of us yet? Oh, yeah, because we're there every day. Have to be. That's okay.

They look at us like, Do you guys, did you change clothes? That's the idea, though. Yeah, but we just love it.

So on April 12th, Augusta Saturday. Will Salisbury and I, and I think you might be there, we're going to do a little discussion and just talk about the book a little bit, maybe sign a few copies and just kind of get together, have a couple of drinks, and just talk about the book a little bit. And that's our tip of the cap, the MAC. Yeah, we brought the tip of the cap is brought to you by the Dean Team Volkswagen at Kirkwood, 314-966-0303. Guys, Colin and Brandy Burnt, go by.

Hey, if you're not doing anything else, just tell them Jay said I wanted to go by and say hello. They are great people. They're there. 24-7. Whenever that place is open, they are there.

And they sponsor the tipping cap, which I really appreciate. And Danny, we're tipping our cap to the MAC. You know, Dee. You and I have traveled all over the world, all over the the country more so. And you go to places like Detroit and you go to places like New York, and some of these places have these these city clubs named after the town.

The Missouri Athletic Club is one of the, if not the most. Iconic. It's one of the most iconic in the country. And it's what makes it so special is that it's got the downtown facility and it's got the West County facility. And the West County facility is younger.

But if you go downtown, we went down there, Danny, when the MAC was hosting the 25-year anniversary for the Super Bowl that the Rams won. And both of us marveled: you don't see rooms like this anymore, Dee. You don't see stairways that are. you know, have this ornate sort of hand carved wood and there's not many places you can still go and smoke a real cigar. Inside, you can do that at the MAC downtown.

We love we love the MEC. We wear their buffet out. We wear their people out the Janet has just been super, super kind to us, and she just... Got me my locker the other day, and so we give her a shout out. But the MAC's great, and that's the tip of the cap.

Brought to you by Dean Team Voltsworth and Kirkwood 314-966-0303. Call them today. They'll help you out with any sort of vehicle. As we like to do, we go through some of the news and notes of the week on the PGA tour. I wanted to get your reaction to this: Matthew Fitzpatrick split from his caddy, Billy Foster, after six years.

It's not uncommon to see this happen, and it's not to say that they're not good friends still, but this is something that happens on the PGA tour. It does, Danny. And look at. When is the last time you've seen Matthew Fitzpatrick's name up on the leaderboard? This is what it's about.

The relation, this is the first thing. That When when You go to your swing coach. And you go to your putting coach, you get your team around, and nothing else is this is the next domino to fall, okay, to mix something up, to give you some. And Billy Foster has got one hell of a resume. I mean, winning the U.S.

Open with Matthew at Brookline a couple years ago was phenomenal. He's been on the bag for some great, great players on the European tour. And so he has got nothing to be ashamed of. I think it's just. You know, Danny, if you're out there and you play long enough, you're probably going to split from your caddy somewhere along the line.

There are a few guys that have not. But not many. Lee Trevino is such a character of the game, and he was interviewed before the Players Championship, and they asked him about Scotty Scheffler. He said, I just don't understand it. Experimenting with the grip on his putter, he said, this guy wins every single weekend, it seems like.

And he said, quote, it scares him what he's doing with his putter. I found that really interesting from one of the greats of the game.

Well, I mean, he's not in Scotty's head. He's not working with Scotty every day. You know, we had the great Randy Smith on this show, and they talk about how hard he works. I mean, Danny, he's obviously not happy with that part of his game. And look, we documented it well last year.

He won plenty of tournaments not putting well. I mean, putting very, very mediocrely. I mean, Danny, we at the Houston Open, I think the Houston Open last year, he finished one shot out of a playoff and finished dead last in the field in putting.

So I mean well Lee could say what he wants and I get it. But If there's a weak link in Scotty's game, especially right now. It's with putter. Let's talk about Scotty and his masters. You ready?

I'm ready. The menu? Yes, sir. All right. The appetizers are cheeseburger sliders, firecracker, shrimp, Papa Chef's meatball and ravioli bites.

The first course, Texas-style chili. The main course, you have wood-fired cowboy ribeye or blackened redfish. The dessert, warm chocolate, chip, skillet, cookie.

So you're going to eat that, and I'm not sure you're going to be able to move around Augusta the next day. That's a lot. That's some meat and potatoes right there. I got to tell you, a little chocolate skillet. That sounds pretty good.

Chocolate chip. Skillet cookie. I could start the meal with that. Cheeseburger slider as an appetizer, man. Let's get some meat in here.

We got meatballs. We got that's a how the hell did I gotta ask you this? How the hell did redfish get on that menu? I'm not sure. Maybe just trying to mix in a little meat and fish.

Is that a typo or what? Right. Wow. I thought it's cool. I think it's so cool when the past champion the year before gets to set the menu at the champions dinner.

It's an awesome tradition. Oh, I think it is. Danny, how. Amazing would it be to go to a champions dinner? Oh, it'd be to be a fly on the wall and what is said inside there?

And first of all, That means you won the mastery. That's right. Well, that's number one. Man, I wonder. Who sits next to Phil Mickelson?

John Romp? Yeah, maybe you put the live guys together. Remember what Tom Watson did last year in getting up and speaking and talking about for the betterment of the game, gentlemen, we need to come together and make this thing happen. Yeah. He admonished some of the players out there, too.

Sure did.

Well, that's Tom. You know, Tom is a, he does that sort of thing. And, you know, his heart's in the right place. I mean, he wants golf to be united. And I, you know, Danny.

I don't know, man. I'm thinking That These contracts are starting to end. You know, we know that this is a crucial year, four years. You know, what are we going to do with Phil Mickelson? What are we going to do with some of these guys?

And then. I'm just wondering. If the tourist's just got to punish him. And, you know, live, I don't know. Do you think Live continues?

I mean, we know they can afford it.

So the ratings came out with the comparison.

Now, you mentioned it earlier. It was 8 o'clock for the playoff of the Players' Championship, 8 o'clock in the morning. On a Monday. On a Monday, and the ratings were outstanding. The PGA Tour was thrilled with what they got, and it just buried what's happening on Live.

And so, to your point, you know, there's a real problem going on with Live. And they've gone to Fox. They're trying to make it more mainstream, and they're just not getting the ratings that they thought they might. You know, Danny, I think people are just tired of it. I think they're kind of pissed.

I think they're kind of over it. I know you and I are over it. Look, I'll watch Bryce and DeCambeau do anything. I love the guy. I absolutely love him.

I'm like, I don't even, I could barely remember what John Rahm looks like. I mean, you know, he's, he's. Not playing particularly well over there. And Does it matter? Over there.

I mean, you've got forty eight guys. And There's no cut and it's three rounds. Right. And they've already been paid. Yeah.

I don't know. Does it matter? I don't think it appeals to the golf fan. But, you know, we'll see if some of these guys. And I know we still watch.

It's still, I mean, it's still really, really, really good golf, but. What's happened to Cameron Smith? Not even on the radar right now. I know, I know. And, you know, we...

I can't wait for the Masters for a lot of reasons, but you want to see these guys. I mean, Patrick Reed's just kind of falling off into oblivion as well. And I mean, he's one of these guys that, whether you like him or dislike him, he was always entertaining. I mean, he always brought something to the table that you'd go, wow. You know, what did you do?

Or what'd you say? And.

He's a world-class player. I mean, so, you know, Danny... Who is of the of the live guys? Who would be your favorite? Is it Mickelson.

Mickelson? Yep, you know that. Yeah, that's a stupid question. I should know that.

So I would rank them as in terms of his importance. I would say De Shambeau. And then I would say Kepka. And then I would say Rom. And then and if you'd asked me this last year, I'd have put ROM up there, probably even first.

Oh, he definitely would have been first. DiChembo won in second major.

So I don't know. It's going to be interesting. I don't know what's going to happen. I don't see this. I don't see the unifying stuff coming together.

I think they're going to punish these guys. We're going to give away some golf balls coming up. Stay tuned for that. You're listening to Golf with Jay Delsing. We're heading into the clubhouse, and it's time to go into the mailbag.

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This is Golf with Jay Del Sing. Back on golf with Jay Delsing with the author, as I mentioned, as he has co-authored a book with Will Salisbury. You can get that book. We've had some emails and texts come in: jdelsinggolf.com and mascot books. You wouldn't believe me if I told you an unforgettable memoir of golf grit and a blue-collar kid on the PGA tour, as we do every week.

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They don't go straight. Danny, honest to God. If someone told me, hey man, This is a special dozen. I wouldn't give it away. No, you'd keep that in your bag.

Exactly. I'd wait for a tournament. I'm like, I got special golf balls. I'm going to use them right now. Of course, I know they couldn't do that, but I'd still keep them for myself.

So the best way to sign up? No, it's not. The best way to sign up for the free golf balls is J at jdelsinggolf.com. And you get spelled J-A-Y on both sides of that. As we head down the stretch on the show, the Valspar Championship is wrapping up today.

What should I be looking for as I watch on television? Danny, the last three, four holes, they call it the snake pit. It's where the championship is decided nearly every single year. The golf course that's in Tampa. It's a Innisbrook Resort.

It is called the Copperhead, and it is a difficult, difficult golf course. There are some really, really tight. demanding par force that You got to put the ball in the fairway to have a chance to get him close to the hole. Sixteen has got water all the way down the right side, Danny. It's a narrow fairway with woods and stuff on the left and you can miss the water.

But put it in the woods, and you're not going to get it on the green in two, and you're probably not going to make many pars. And then the 17th hole is a 225 or 230-yard uphill par three. But the green is just, it's just not that easy to hit. And then 18 is an uphill, kind of narrowish par four that, um, you know. The championship is decided on these three or four holes.

The 15th is not a long part three. Um, but it's just awkward. A lot of the holes, Danny, sit at you at kind of peculiar angles, and so when you're really, really on your game. That probably doesn't matter quite as much, but boy, if there's any sort of indecision or any sort of fear or uncertainty, that golf course just pounds you. I don't know, I don't know why, but I played it probably.

40 or 50 times. I've had some really good rounds on it, and I've had some stinkers. You know, I've got a little bit of both.

So, how challenging. When you think about the last four holes, and there's always signature holes with every course. Absolutely.

So how challenging is this last four? Like, where would you put it in terms of some of the other stops on the PGA tour?

Okay, so now when we go down and we play down in Charlotte at um Oh my gosh, I'm having a senior moment, but I'll think of it. But they call their last three holes there the green mile. And that's where Rory McElroy won his PGA. He won. Oh gosh, he he went.

We played the Wells Fargo Championship and the Wachovia, and I'm still drawing a blank on it. But Danny, these last three holes and four holes at Innisbrook at the Copperhead, they. They can They don't need to take a back seat to anyone. They are extremely difficult.

Now, are they as hard as 17 and 18 at the Players' Championship? They're not, but they are really, really difficult. And it's just, you know, you've got to stand up there. You've got to trust your game and you got to pull off the shots. And It's really interesting when you start looking at the most difficult holes on the PGA tour and how sometimes they run together.

And there's. The w the way they do it, D, is how many over par how do they relate to being over par? Right. You know, so if it's a par three and they average three point, you know, nine strokes uh around, that's nearly a a sh Everybody, you know, it's a stroke over par every time they play that hole.

Okay, couple quick emails before we wrap up the show. We always do a little tip segment on golf with Jay Delsing, and you can email jay at jdelsinggolf.com. I hate saying this word, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. Yips, but we do get a question about eliminating putting and chipping yips. Is there something, Jay, anything you can do to try to eliminate that?

Well, typically speaking, I hate saying that word. I know. Typically speaking, the reason that we yip is because our alignment is off. And Danny, when you're a young kid, and let's say you're a right-handed golfer and you line your putt up and you're a little open to where you want the ball to go, you'll just kind of put a little, you'll open right at impact and you'll open the blade a little bit to make it go in. A lot of young golfers do that.

What winds up happening is once this thing kind of gets in your brain and you're Uh Um Uh You've got a uh just a Ton of fear that's that's come over you about making or missing these putts. Yeah, a problem. You got a problem.

So, when I was putting really, really poorly, probably the worst I'd ever put, and I've had the yips before, but worse than that. I put it with my eyes closed. And I put it with my eyes closed on the PGA tour for about Almost 10 months. Did you really? And I had some of the best putting days I've ever had.

It was crazy. It was scary as hell. When I and It was, I mean. terrifying the first time i'm like i'm not even going to hit the ball and then The butt went in.

So you work your way into it, but it's really about aim.

So with a couple of things: aim, and then watch your grip pressure. Oftentimes, with the E-up standing, comes an extreme amount of tension. Tension in your hands. You've got to be soft and supple, and you've got to work on some of the fundamentals. You know, Orange Whip, an Orange Whip trainer, has a great putting aid.

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So go to orangewhip. trainer.com And check out their putting aid, it can help you with the yips for sure. It absolutely can. We have almost run out of time, about 30 seconds. Rusty wedges, does it add spin?

No, it does not. I love all my wedges. As you see, they look like they're 300 years old. I, when, when I was with Titalist and Bob Vokey, I'd I would say, I don't want. The chrome.

I don't want them bright and shiny. You've been into my house. I don't like a lot of bright and shiny things. I like rusty, and look at me. I'm rusty.

This is what this looks like. But what, so it does not. It does not add any spin. But I just like the look of it, and I just, I don't know. I just, that was for me.

The book again. You wouldn't believe me if I told you an unforgettable memoir of golf, grit, and a blue-collar kid on the PGA tour. You can get that book at jdelsinggolf.com and mascot books. Jay, great show. Again, congratulations on the book.

Yeah, Danny, I love it.

Well, thank you. It's going to be fun. Hope people enjoy reading it and. Hit him straight, St. Louis.

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