Golf With Jay Delsing - - At The Club With Dad

25 years on the PGA Tour and a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America, Jay Delsing brings you his perspective on one of the world's greatest games as a professional golfer and network broadcaster.

It's the game that connects the pros and the average Joes. Brought to you by Whitmore Country Club. Golf with Jay Delsing is now on 101 ESPN. Happy Father's Day. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. I've got my buddy and dad and friend John Perlis here with me. Man, just a wholehearted happy Father's Day to all the dads out there. Hopefully you're out to play a little golf Father's Day and hang out with a fam and grill and drink a beer and whatever it is that gets you smiling. So we format the show like a round of golf.

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Absolutely. Drew, my partners at BYK Digital have just been fantastic. Father's Day. Sunday of the U.S. Open. Father's Day.

We're at Pebble Beach. Come on. Absolutely love it. Come on.

Does it get better than that? There's just so much drama there. So many things going on there. So many guys who can make it happen. I think it is your favorite place to go play at least professional golf but maybe just to go play.

Yeah, no doubt. It's fun. You and I have had a chance to play there together.

You and I have had a chance to caddy for me together. I can remember when I had reached the end of the rope with my putting and we spent literally five hours. Yeah, a long time. And the greens were so bad.

But not to get too far off on the tangent, do you remember once it started clicking? Those greens, it was end of the day. The guys had practiced on them all day, amateurs all day.

And you were making everything. It just showed us that when you really roll the putt the way you can roll the putt, it doesn't hardly matter how bad the green is. It can go in.

It's gonna go in. Like we do each week with Justin Hoagland. Great interview with my longtime friend Jim Zimmerman.

He is the Western Region Sales Manager for Atlas II but division of Zeckelman Industries which is all about steel. We make that kind of interview. You and I have talked about it. You've got the celebrity, fairly type of interviews, Brett Hull, etc. which are fantastic. Love those. We've got some of the local flavor and the more golf professionals if you will. The PGA folks and instructors.

Love those. But I'll tell you Jay, this one is kind of near and dear because I think this is what propels golf. Is this type of thing and his story. How Jim got into the whole game himself.

How he uses the game right now for his business. Love it. Just love it.

It almost gives me chills. It's why this game is what it is to us. And hopefully we're spreading this word. That's why we're doing this show. We want to grow this game and we want to have some fun doing it. So please don't go away.

You've got to stay tuned and listen to the Jim Zimmerman interview. But let's just do Pebble Beach, man. Let's just talk about.

I just can't. For me, if I could have won any tournament, it would have been at Pebble Beach for the U.S. Open. I would have loved to win the Masters, don't get me wrong.

But as a kid, as in this country, the greatest country with all these opportunities and things, man. And they get to hoist the trophy on the 18th green at Pebble Beach. What could compare to that? Of all the places I've gotten to Caddy for you, walking down 18, Caddy for you at Pebble Beach is absolutely spectacular. I mean we have some funny stories about walking down the 18th at Pebble Beach. Yes we do.

Pebble Beach as well. I'm not sure. You want to tell that story? Of course, sure. Okay. So I'll set it up a little bit. I'm flying in and barely get in in time to Caddy.

So I get in in the afternoon. I really wasn't sure which story you were going to. Well, you know what you're doing now, yeah. So I just figure logically as he's going to be at the end of his practice round, he's got some other schmuck carrying his bag that I'm going to have to knock off the bag to make sure I don't lose my post. And I start walking down 18. I'll go backwards and I'll find him out there because it's a practice round.

They're not posting who's playing where. All of a sudden, first guy down the fairway is actually on 18, is Olin Brown. And I've known Olin for a long time. Great guy. Fun guy.

Just all around super. He kind of looks at me. He says, hey, Perley. And kind of gives me this glance. He's like, it's not pretty back there. And keeps walking. Olin says, we're normally going to stop and talk for a couple minutes.

He's like, I don't even want to slow down because I don't want these guys behind me to catch up. And it was you and Jim Hardy. Yeah. And there was some serious tension. Sparks were flying. We were beyond tension. We were beyond tension.

Look, you know, you witnessed it firsthand. I still love Jim Hardy. He's a wonderful guy.

He's a wonderful guy. And he really helped me to a point. But we were at a point with my game where I had three shots I could hit. I could hit a hard pull left. Can't caddy from there. That would ruin every single thing you ever tried to do in golf. And it did. I had a beautiful looking shot that would go right on line.

It would be at least a club short. Can't caddy from there. And I had the little wiper out to the right that was awful. That I didn't want to caddy from there. Exactly. And when you hit the wiper, you didn't want to play.

I didn't want to play. It's a tough line. And it's short. No. So we're on the. And he's out there helping. I'm with Pernice. I'm with Duffy. With Olin. We've got Jacobson.

We've got all the guys that are Hardy disciples out there. And I'll never forget. I'm standing on the 14th fairway. And it is. How wide is that fairway? It's as wide as they get out there.

It's as wide as you could possibly imagine. And I dropped this free one. And I finally just got in Jim's face. And I said, we've been doing this for 13 holes. He's not hearing me.

Somebody's not hearing somebody. There's no doubt about that. Come on. And I said, I said, man, you got to help me.

I don't think you're understanding. If I do what you're going to tell me to do, my ball is going to fly so far right, I can't play from there. He goes, well then just let it go right. And I go, all right. So I put, I got my three wind.

I'm going to knock it up into the neck up there at 14. And I fly it out of bounds. I'm an exaggerator.

I know it. How far out of bounds? Well, you hit the house. I hit the house. I hit like a $45 million house. But the house is like 50 to 100 yards off. It's not like they're tied up to the edge of the fairway.

It's off the beaten trail. It's like if you're trying to drive a ball down 270 highway here, you know, you just hit it to 170. That's how far off I missed it. And I said, Jim, and he said, oh, here's what happened. I said, that's not what happened. I've been trying to do what you're telling me to do. And this is what I get. And he goes, well, he throws another ball down. And I mean, I hit twins.

I hit the house twice. And that's when it all started. And he goes, well, maybe I just can't help you.

And I go, really? You're not helping me. That's like you trying to tell you we need some new info. Anyway, it was a tense situation. It was tense. Well, the week was tough. It was one of those times where that was the transition.

That was time that you had to go your separate ways. It happens to the best of them out there. Always has.

Always will. You hear about the guys switching, coaches, instructors, that kind of thing. And Jim has gone on and still done very well. You went on and played some great golf. So it's one of those deals. But there was a lot of tension.

It was nervous. Okay, so let's tell a better Father's Day story. Let's tell a Dad and John story. I got so many stories with my dad.

I got to tell you this one story. We're playing at North Shore Country Club, which they called it a country club, which is not right. Not North Shore in Chicago. No, North Shore here. Off on Riverview. North Shore in Chicago is a country club, but it is nice. Yeah, so my brother's on the tee. Eighteen's kind of in the dark. We used to play after dinner.

I just loved that time of night. And there was a dog about 90 yards off the tee, an old mangy beagle, walking across the fairway as slow as can be. And my brother had just, my brother's starting to hit. And he's not hitting. Bart, this is Bart. This is my brother Bart, who was absolutely one of my best friends in the whole wide world.

Absolutely great golfer and great person. And my dad says, hit the ball, son. And my brother says, Dad, I don't want to hit the ball. The dog is in the way. And he goes, you couldn't hit that dog if you tried. And my brother's like, all right.

So you tease it up. Oh, boy. Dead square in the middle of the dog's rear end.

Dog yelps, go over there. I'm on the ground laughing and my dad is looking, my brother's laughing, and he's looking at us like, how did I go so wrong with these two sins of mine? It was just so funny. And there's one other story I got to tell.

Absolutely. Tell it. Don't tell it quickly. We're playing, my dad's in the trees. And we're like, Dad, his ball's in the trees.

He's looking through this little opening that he sees. I'm like, Dad, what are you going to, he's like, I got this. Now, this is a big time quality professional baseball player.

This is an athlete. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, cool. Dad's got this. So he hits a shot with like this little punch out. It goes about ten yards and hits a tree dead square and comes right back and hits my dad in the forehead. I don't know if I've heard that story.

My brother and I are, we're both out of the cart. We are on the ground and he goes, I don't want you two laughing at me. I'm like, Dad, it's too late, man. Oh, it was, he's got, and then he starts laughing. It's just one of those memories, Pearl. Because he was a freaking, or would have been a gold glover. He should have snagged that thing when it was coming back.

What was the punishment? That he let it in himself on purpose. He probably did. He probably did.

It was, it was some kind of funny. My brother and I talk about those two stories all the time. Just heartwarming.

Just this game, those stories. And I'm sure, folks, you've got tons and tons of those that, ah, they're just awesome. The best. Absolutely the best.

Absolutely the best. Fantastic. Well, anyway, that's going to wrap up the On The Range segment. Come back. We are going to air the Jim Zimmerman interview on the front nine.

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Hello. Welcome back to Golf with Jay Delsing. Jay and John are here.

This is the front nine segment. Reach out to us with your questions, comments, golf stories, anything golf related, life related, anything that you would like us to know about. You can reach me at jaydelsinggolf.com. And each week we select an email and if it's read on air, you will win complimentary golfer two and a really good track, Gateway National, compliments of Walters Golf Management.

So, Pearl, you got a question? Absolutely. Mike writes, is there a way to see if my clubs are too short for my son?

He hit a major growth spurt and he looks so bent over the ball. I hope that it is not a stupid question. It's definitely not a stupid question.

We are not members of a country club. Thank you. It's not. You need to have the right equipment, don't you, Jay? Yeah, definitely. And this exact same thing, Mike, happened to me between my... Between when you were five feet tall and when you were six four. Yeah, it was just ridiculous.

I thought that was overnight once upon a time. I can remember my freshman year in basketball, I was playing point guard and my sophomore year I played center. Yeah, so I grew like six inches that summer and the clubs were messed up and I can remember trying to fool around with... First of all, it's not a stupid question. You do not, and we have talked about this before, if there was a rumor that you and I would love to dispel, this is not a rich kid sport.

It is not. There are so many opportunities to play golf. There are so many non-private golf courses that will love to have you play. And it's not going to cost you an arm and a leg and there's plenty of outlets to get good equipment. But what you need to do, Mike, is take your son, you're going to Dick's Sporting Goods, go to Golf Tech. Golf Tech, absolutely.

Because one of our sponsors, great folks at Golf Tech, go see Justin Hoagland or go see Mike Cummings down in Chesterfield. Great people and get your son fitted. There is absolutely formulas to this thing that will help you figure it out. It's all going to relate to how far the tips of your son's fingers are from the ground and it changes all the time. That's relative to length, but then also if he's growing that much, his strength has probably increased quite a bit, his leverage certainly has. So you want to look into some of the strength of shaft, some things like that as well.

It's not really just a length thing. No, that's a full-blown system with various components that are important and can't be overlooked. Yeah, so Mike, not a stupid question. Thanks for listening to the show.

And you and your son now get to go on over to Gateway National. Pretty cool. Pretty cool stuff. All right, we've got the Jim Zimmerman interview coming up.

All right, so folks, listen to this. One of my favorite parts at the beginning of this interview is listen to how Jim Zimmerman got hooked on the game of golf. This is Jim Zimmerman with AtlasTube and Zuckerman Industries.

I'm your host, Jay, and I am here with my longtime friend, Jim Zimmerman, who is the Western Region Sales Manager for AtlasTube. So, Jim, thanks for joining me, and you've been in the steel business most of your career. Yeah, 44 years. 44 years. A long time. And you're only, what, 45 years old. That's pretty impressive.

Well, I'll be 48 in the middle of the month. We North County guys fought a little early, didn't we? No. No, you know, I've been on the road for a long, long time.

I look as bad as my luggage. You know, you've got one of the coolest stories about how you got involved and kind of got hooked by the game of golf. And I really wish, appreciate if you'd share it with us. Well, you know, like most kids, I mean, we did everything. We played every sport possible. You know, we played soccer, baseball, basketball.

We did track and field in our backyard, pole vaulting and everything else. But we never played golf. And, you know, my dad never played golf. I didn't have any uncles that played golf.

I didn't have any uncles. But I mean, I didn't have any relatives that played golf. So my brother and I, it just was my older brother and I, never played golf. Well, my next door neighbor was an avid golfer. We were living up in Florissant. This was, you know, back in the 60s. And my neighbor gave up my brother and I two tickets to the U.S. Open at Belle Reve in 1965.

And I can remember going out to Belle Reve. I'd never been on a golf course before. And I was amazed. There wasn't many trees out there. In fact, I don't think there was a tree over six, seven foot tall.

It's changed dramatically. But we went out and played or watched. And I can still remember distinctly, my brother and I were sitting, they didn't have ropes back then. We were sitting there and a ball came up about six, seven feet in front of us. And who comes walking up but Julius Burroughs, who was the by far the fastest golfer I've ever seen play. And we're just, shame all the golfers of today. And Julius Burroughs, his daddy handed him a three wood and the ball was buried in the grass. And he nailed this sucker up on the green.

And I thought, that's just the coolest thing I've ever seen. So that was on a Saturday. On Monday, a buddy and I went and played golf for the first time. So I mean, it's literally, I think it was June 22nd, 1965, I said, I've got to learn how to play this game. And so I borrowed, the funny story, I don't know if I've told you this. I borrowed my neighbor's golf clubs because I didn't have golf clubs. I didn't have money for golf clubs. My parents didn't have money for golf clubs. So I borrowed them from my neighbor who was kind of an avid golfer.

And we went and played Norah Lakes, which no longer exists, but it used to be right off of West Florissant and Canfield, where a lot of the riding occurred and it was torn down and apartments were built. And I went and played golf and I gave my neighbor back his clubs at the end of the day and he said, how'd you do? And I said, I shot an 85. He said, you did not.

I said, I did. I said, I counted every stroke. I shot an 85. What I didn't realize, it was a par three course. Par was 54. So I shot an 85 and I'm thinking, I'm looking at what the tour players are shooting.

I'm thinking, I'm not too far off and I'm only 13 years old. And it's the first time I've ever played. Yeah, exactly. This game's easy.

I already got this back. So from then on, I mean, it was, I just got bit and we've been playing ever since. Whether it was there or North Shore, we could sneak onto Norwood or whatever we could do. We'd go anywhere we could. We played all the same.

He made the track. We played it and I have worked with ever since. And don't play any better than I did when I was 13. Well, you know, one of the things that I want to do on the show is talk about how the game has such broad reach into so many different areas of life. You know, the PGA Tour is a tremendous fundraising engine where, you know, millions and millions of dollars are created by tournaments and things like that. But you use golf quite a bit in your business. Explain to us a little bit about that. And, you know, there are other opportunities.

But, you know, we chatted about this and golf is one of those things that when you invite a customer, you very seldom get turned down. Yeah. Yeah.

Jay, you know what? Business is so much since I got into the steel business in the 70s. And, you know, steel is a commodity. What we make, everybody can make. So, people really buy from who they want to do business with, who they have the best relationship with, who they can count on.

I mean, you still have to have a great company behind you, but you still have to get the phone to ring. And in days of old, it was, you know, a couple of drinks at lunch. It was dinners. It was this. It was that.

It was ball games or foot games and things like that, as far as a way of entertaining. And a lot of that is almost left. I mean, you don't see nearly as much of that. People are very valuable. They really feel a value to their personal time and just don't dedicate that much to dinners and things like that. So, it gets harder to get people one-on-one away from the office. Golf seems to be the one that never seems to go away. I know in our company, we are very golf-oriented. We do a lot of not only one-on-one, go out and play golf, but golf trips. We do golf trips regularly, which you're aware. I know you've been very active in our company's outings. And when we ask customers to go for a golf trip, it's just very rare that we get somebody say, I don't think so.

I just don't think that's up for me. It's really, really some way that we can get a customer out and get him away from work and not only entertain a customer, but you really forge a friendship. You have to walk these courses and lie about every ache and pain and every handicap and everything else.

You really do forge a friendship that you just can't get any other way. So, that's why we really, really are active with the golf trips and golf outings. As you know, we host the Masters. And that has become a tradition every year when we're there for the week and we entertain a whole crew of customers every day at the Masters. And I mean, when I call a customer and say, would you like to go to the Masters?

They don't even say, let me check with my wife. They say, yes, I'm going to go. And it's a memorable thing that really almost transcends the ability to play golf or the people that play golf.

We have a lot of customers that come that have never swung a golf club that love just to be in that atmosphere of a golf tournament. It's electric. All right, we got to stop that interview. That's really cool.

I have been fortunate enough with my hospitality and entertainment business to work with Zim and Zuckerman Industries and do the Masters. And it's just really great stuff. But don't go away. We've got to take a break.

That'll wrap up the front nine. But we want to come back and listen to how they view golf and how it enhances their business relationships. Big deal.

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I'm your host Jay. I've got my buddy John Perlis here with me and we are on the back nine. Got to do a little spot here for Whitmore Country Club. They are our title sponsor, great friends of ours, great supporters of golf. And if you're looking for a place to join, Whitmore Country Club is where you need to go. 72 holes of golf, you have access with that membership. You have access to the Golf Club of Wentzville, the Links of Dardene and the Missouri Bluffs.

Your card fees are included in the membership so you're not going to get dinged for that little extra charge. What a great opportunity it is. So when you go over there, you go to Whitmore and talk to Bill. He's in charge of membership. He's a great guy but you've got to go in the golf shop and say hi to Bummer. One of our favorites.

He's been on the show, lover of the game, real character and as authentic as they come. He can make you feel kind of welcome. We talk about this but I loved it as a kid.

We had something like that growing up in Michigan and I have five sisters. Parents could kind of drop us all off and we would gravitate, just like Whitmore's got, to swimming, to golf, to all kinds of other activities, meeting new kids that you haven't met before. There's so many things that can come of that. It's such a positive thing.

There's no question about it. The facilities are fantastic. They've got a 24-hour fitness facility. They've got tennis courts. They've got a huge swimming complex, as you said. There's swim teams for the kids, tennis teams for the kids, junior golf, obviously, and then there's a kids club for the kids and for the parents. Who knows what they can gravitate to? We might think, oh, I want my son or daughter to play this sport. Well, they start hanging around. Maybe all of a sudden tennis catches their eye, swim team catches their eye, that type of thing, and they've got all that exposure.

They can kind of gravitate and choose what makes sense to them and sometimes as parents we don't always get that figured out for them. Yeah, absolutely. There's also all sorts of different golfs. There's skins games. There's golf nights.

There's leagues. There's couples events. They've got a phenomenal social calendar. Christmas parties are terrific. There's stuff going on all the time. It's a community.

It's family-oriented. If you want to call them, you can reach them at 636-926-2216. Thanks again to Whitmore. Let's get back to the Jim Zimmerman interview, Perley. This is fantastic. We're going to hear about how they see golf and how golf enhances their business relationships. Love it.

Absolutely love it. You guys use the game to enhance your business relationships. I've been with you many times and there's not even a conversation, for the most part, about business on the golf course. Or very rarely, unless the customer himself brings it up.

You go on a golf outing with a guy for a couple days, when you do have to ask the customer a question after that call, or ask him a favor, or ask him for an order, or ask him for feedback on a particular quote. Boy, the level of communication is just so much different than somebody that you haven't been with. It's just remarkable. Well, it's really a testimony. So, what I was telling people, and again, this is Jim Zimmerman.

He is the Western Regional Sales Manager for Atlas, who has been in the steel business his whole life. And one of the things that I was telling people is that business is so difficult and so competitive. And it's oftentimes that you get situations like you're referring to that can be the difference in getting that call back or not. Jay, what we do is not complicated. I mean, this is not a difficult business. That's why I'm in it.

But it's relationships. You know, somebody told me 40 years ago, people buy from who they want to buy from. I don't care if you're buying a refrigerator.

I don't care what you're doing. People buy from who they want to buy from. And they want to buy people that they like, people that they can trust, people that they can rely on, and they like to be sold. If you take a customer out on a golf course, and you have a great round or a couple days on a golf trip to where you can bond and forge more than a business relationship or a personal relationship, you've got half the battle won right there. The days of getting business, you know, because you are who you are, you still have to be competitive. You still have to have a great product.

You've got to do all those things. But the relationship and what golf does to a relationship is the ultimate tiebreaker for us. And we really find that golf has just been just a great tool for us in business in getting customers. You know, it's interesting, Jim, is that in a world today where we have so many ways to try to stay in communication with one another, there's not a better way to communicate and rekindle friendships and relationships than on the golf courses.

Yeah, isn't it funny? I mean, the one place where you don't have a phone or shouldn't have a phone is a place where you build the best relationships. I mean, I could call a customer 50 times a week and not have as good a relationship as a guy that I'd spent four hours in 18 holes. So I wish I got to play even more, but I play as often as I can and I utilize it as part of our business plan to get customers out to get to know them better, what makes them tick better and let them have a better trust value in us. That means you can't cheat on the golf course because they always say you spend four hours with a guy, you know a lot more about them as far as their ethics and everything else. And I'm bad enough, I play customer golf, I let them win a lot.

And you make it look like you're not trying, like it's happening on purpose. Exactly. Yeah, right. One of the other things that you touched about a little bit was the Masters. And the other thing that I think the city got a great glimpse of last year was the magnitude of the PGA Tour now compared to, oh man, even 10 years ago, but the Tiger Woods effect has really been something, hadn't it?

Oh, it's unbelievable. You know, Jay, I was just down, just last week, I went to the Colonial Tournament and golf is in great shape. There's so many good golfers out there and they're all terrific to watch.

They're just unbelievable, the way they hit the ball with their distance control and everything else, their short game. But golf still needs the personalities. You know, I was at Bell Reeve on Sunday when Tiger was making his charge and I've never felt a more electric crowd in my life.

I mean, that was just unbelievable. At Colonial, it was around Jordan Spieth, of course, you know, local boy. And so there was a big buzz there, but it didn't have the buzz that Tiger brings out. So the pro golfers have Tiger to thank a lot for, you know, the money and the TV that they get because he, you know, whether you like the guy or not, I mean, he is the gate when you're at a tournament, he's involved. It's just a lot of fun. And the Masters, of course, to be there and see the throngs of people walking up to the hole, three holes before he even gets there, is something else. You've experienced it.

There's just nothing. I mean, we know when he's coming because you can just see the sea of humanity coming towards you wherever, you know, if you're sitting in a particular seat. You've taken some great photos down and even shared some with me down at Augusta and some of the different things, you know, the different aspects of the game, we don't need to go too far down that trail. But there are certain mementos that you wind up keeping, like some of the photos that you've actually snapped of Tiger, you know, during practice rounds and things like in Augusta are just priceless, aren't they? Well, they really are.

They really are. You know, it seals that moment when you were there. You know, you've got a couple of those prints and to see him coming out of the bunker at 15 or driving the ball at 18 or at a men's corner, there's just nothing like it. Those mean a lot to me just because it brings me back to where I was when I snapped the photo. And I love it. I really do.

I keep digital files from everywhere and, you know, thousands of pictures from the Masters. It's fun, even just kind of reminisce, I'll go back to, you know, 10 years ago, 12 years ago, and see, you know, Ben Crenshaw play some of the other players from that era. And it's fun to go back and see that. And it's fun to see how the equipment changed, but how the clothes have changed, even in a short time.

You don't see many saddle shoes out there anymore. No, you sure don't. Well, the game has been has been great to me, as you know, and it's been fun to get to watch your company to learn more about what you guys do. And I guess one of the last things, Jim that I want to talk about was the demographic that golf covers. I mean, think about it, you're selling steel, you've already professed, it's a commodity. It's, you know, it's just like another item that's being bartered and traded and bought and sold. But it's amazing. The reach that golf has into all different industries, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. I mean, it really is. In fact, if you just, you know, like the Masters, which we've been able to enjoy together, just look at that crowd and look at the people that are there or those that were at Bellary. And you look at the demographic. It's amazing. I was amazed at Bellary, how many females were on the course.

I mean, it was, it probably wasn't 50-50, but it was pretty high. And I think that's fantastic. I mean, it really is. And even at the Masters, the Masters tickets are terribly hard to get ahold of. And they're very expensive.

And so you want to utilize it. But when you look at the crowd, there's a real cross-section of humanity out there. And that's really kind of cool to see. I mean, you'll see everybody, a whole cross, young and old. I see people that can barely walk and they're out on the course. And somebody, you know, a place like the Masters is so great because you don't have to see your favorite golfer. If you see it, it's a plus.

But it's one of the rare tournaments that is played at the same course. So people have been watching this for years. They know what 12 looks like. They know what 16 looks like.

They know all the different holes. And so these people, it's almost like a shrine. You know, they're walking the course and it's like they're walking in New York and seeing the Statue of Liberty or seeing the Empire State Building. It's things they've seen their whole life and now they finally get to see it. So when you walk in that corner and all of a sudden it's right there, I don't care if you've never swung a golf club. The people that we bring are just, they're just in awe.

And I get letters and notes and phone calls after we take people. And it's just like, I'll never forget that. And I can watch it now on TV the rest of my life and I could say I was right there.

And there's just very few entertaining venues that you could do that match that. Well, you know what, Jim, thanks so much for spending the time with me and sharing these great stories. I mean, you and I could go on and on and we have. Yes, we have.

Yes, we have. That's just a great job. The show's great. And, you know, anytime, Jay, you know, we need to go out and hit it.

Hopefully the weather is finally with us in the city of St. Louis. And it's a little bit predictable. We'll have to go out and bang it around. Yeah, no, that sounds great. Thanks. Thanks so much, Jim. All right, Jay.

My pleasure. Well, that's going to wrap up the Back Nine. That was really a cool interview.

Folks, don't go anywhere. Jon and I are going to kind of break that down a little bit. Lots to discuss. Talk about some more fathers stories.

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Quickly being my favorite part of our show, Pearl is Nineteenth. Oh, we got great music. We got Mike Duffy's and a Father's Day for Mike Duffy's.

I mean, is it is there a better combination? I mean, we're delighted to have Mike support the show. Mike's got there's three Duffy locations, but Mike owns two of them. Please visit the one in Kirkwood or the one in Richmond Heights. Terrific guy.

Started it long ago in 1986 with just a real simple plan. Great food, cool place to hang out, friendly, watch a game and and have nice people surrounded. You serving you and hanging out with you. And, you know, mission accomplished. Mike's a great guy.

He works as is his butt off and he's at the stores all the time. If you get in there, ask for Mike. You'd love to shake your hand and tell you thanks for supporting him. And we've got to get another event scheduled there. Absolutely. Absolutely. This I think I think we got to go.

Yeah, no, I think Michael still have this. The last one was really fun. And yeah. So Father's Day. And for me, we got to go to Zim. Oh, yeah, we got it. We got to talk a little bit about the Zim.

I just I this Father's Day is just overwhelming. I know we're going to get there. We're going to get there. Don't start there.

Yeah, because we we better finish for that game. Who the hell knows what we're doing on this show. Okay. So I got a question on the same thing.

Yeah. Just tell us a tiny bit about when did you first meet Jim? How did you guys get a relationship going? I met I met Zim, Jim Zimmerman from my buddy Bernie Federko. And we were I don't know.

We were out having lunch somewhere. And Zim, Jim Zimmerman and I, along with Bernie, were there. And we have just been friends forever. And it's been 30 years. So another guy you play golf with, Bernie.

Yeah. Zim, his great stories, the Julius Boros. What a wonderful story that is. How do we all get hooked? You know, where at what point did we get hooked in the game? That's where when we talk about dads, that's clearly my dad is where I got hooked in the game.

That whole piece. And I know Jim through you a little bit. And what a fun guy. Oh, and a great storyteller.

And how cool is it? You know, Father's Day, we're talking about Julius Boros. And you and I have played multiple rounds of golf on tour with Julius's son Guy Boros, who was a tour winner and a great guy.

A throwback, without question. My first putter ever was a Julius Boros putter. Yeah, yeah.

So the Zimmerman thing. So I've been so fortunate. My hospitality and entertainment business is doing well because of people like Jim. And this is a company, Perley, that spends a lot of money and they value this golf piece a lot. And for me to kind of be able to put my stamp on how great the game is for me and fit it in and represent those other companies, it's just worked really well. You helped facilitate that, though, and make those places special to go down there. And what is Augusta like?

What is Pebble like? You've got the stories to help enhance that relationship. I just love, as a businessman, to hear Jim talk about what really matters in business. And at the end of the day, in this day and age, when the information's out there, everybody knows everybody about everybody's product, we talk about technology all the time. But I'll tell you what, the big deals, the good deals, the ongoing deals, the things you can count on are really relationship-based.

Jim did a great job of talking about that. That's what your hospitality program, that's where the value is. That's why they pay you what they pay you, which they pay you a lot. And they should pay you a lot.

Why are you laughing? Though they should. Anyway, I just think there's so much value to that. You know, we talk about golf and business, you can build those same type of relationships, maybe with your own people in your own family, distant relatives, friends in the neighborhood. There's all kinds of relationships that can get built on a golf course.

We happen to talk about business there, and that's what you're tied into. But that's where there's value. No, it's not a quick, it's not a five-minute thing.

It can't get turned out. But that's not what relationships are about. They take times, and the best times, the best relationships you're going to have in business is knowing those people other ways. Well, isn't it interesting, because what I've noticed and what I adhere to all the time is, we're out playing golf and we're talking about life stores and things like that, business is distant.

It may get brought up from time to time, but it is not high pressure, it's not on the front burner, it's so far on the back burner. That's what we're talking about here. The relationship is, it's got to be more than just this, oh, we do business together.

You know, you want to feel like you know the person. You're going to need a favor in business, in life. Something goes wrong. Something doesn't get delivered, or your deliverables don't actually work out. And you need the guy on the other end to understand.

And without the relationship, it's likely to go, forget it. And I'm so fortunate. The game just provides that platform, that venue, John, to walk the fairways and to just get to know somebody at a different level.

And your events, you're actually then playing some golf with them, going to dinner with them, breakfast, doing just some other travel with them, that kind of stuff. That adds a lot to it. And on the flip side, let's put it out there a little bit.

Sometimes you can identify, that's not who I want to do business with. It's happened more than I would like to say. But that's a good thing. No, it is a good thing.

To find it out that way. Right, it is. Or the other part where, you hear this all the time, even in the politics, I can't stand this person, let's go play golf. And then all of a sudden you find out different things about the person you never knew. Well, that is a place of commonality.

And there's an awful lot of value with that. So it ferrets out a fair amount of information that a regular meeting is not going to accomplish. Well, here's the other thing that I thought was really cool that we talked about. In a day and age where we have these and we have computers, we have all of these means to reach out to each other. And the best, still the best way for me, the most fun way for most of my clients is without these. And we're out there, I'm looking at you, talking to you, we're actually having lunch.

Those meetings and things like that, they just don't happen as often anymore. And I'm so fortunate that that's kind of the way this thing has rolled with golf. Jay, tell us the best client story relative to golf, your outings, that you can conjure up. So I was doing business… I don't mean conjure up like it's not true.

Wait a minute, let me get on the internet. We don't remember our motto that we're only close on ourselves. Yeah, that's right. I had my buddy Bruce Rafeuse from Toronto. I was in a confectionary business.

So he sold Tic Tacs and all sorts of different candy throughout the entire country of Canada. And he calls me and I probably at the time was doing almost 10 outings a year for him. He's a great guy, still a friend. He's a great guy. Just a great guy.

Fun. Yeah, really great guy. And he calls me and says, man, my business in Eastern Canada sucks. And I cannot figure out how to get this guy to call me.

I can't figure out how to do it. And he goes, but I'm at the trade show last week. We were down in Quebec City or somewhere in Eastern Canada, Montreal maybe. And he says, I overheard him talking about golf. This guy is a golf nut.

What sort of thing can you put together to get his attention? So we put together a spectacular trip up in the Northeast, up in Westchester County. We went to a Yankee game and went to two great golf courses. And he said to me, that two and a half days that we spent together was probably worth overnight over a million dollars. That's awesome.

Because all of a sudden- And you didn't charge him, what, a half million for it? No, I mean, I just, you know, I did. But really the fact that that's one of those stories that doesn't come along very often. That's great, Jay. It was really, it made me feel great, you know. And getting to hang out with this guy, there was way more in common than the two knew. And the game was the Uniter. Well, that's what you're so good about.

And just to kind of put that combination together, and what a good place to go and put that combination together. Oh, yeah, Yankee Stadium. That's where it's happening. That's history. That's richness.

And if the guy's a golf geek or sports geek in general, how do you not absolutely relish all of that? Yeah, we went and played wing foot and balled us for all. It was spectacular. It was really great. It was just the three of us. It couldn't have been more intimate.

We had caddies walking down the fairways. It was really fun. Good for you. Great story. Good story.

Good stuff. Give me your dad's story, man. I went to Pearly. Well, you played a lot of golf with my dad. I did.

I did. And, you know, much of a character is anything else. And I was just trying to think, too, when did he first play golf? I'm almost sure he first swung because here's a guy from southern Illinois, son of a coal miner, goes into the military. I think the first time he ever swung a golf club was when he was stationed in Korea.

That's almost for sure. And so he kind of expanded to that. He was a character. He was a sportsman his whole life. Played a lot of basketball.

Played major college or played college football in a major way. Yes, I better say that right. Wait a minute now. Yeah, that's right. But he was a good football and a good basketball player.

Rich history there. But I think the thing that you can relate to was the betting on the first tee. Yeah. You know, my dad taught me early on, you know, I don't really care how good you are. You're going to win or lose on the first tee, whatever dang bet you make.

No question. So, you know, we would throw up and play Nassau. So, you know, my dad would pick up.

Wait, hang on a second. We didn't throw up at the golf course. Those were usually the night before. We would throw balls. That's true. We would throw balls to decide who was partners.

I don't care if it was Michigan, Canada, Southern California, Arizona. Somehow, my dad was always the guy that threw the golf balls up. He knew how to do it. He knew how to, yeah. And he had hands about the size of a baseball mitt. Massive hands. So he would palm the golf balls in a certain way so he'd get whatever team he wanted.

He wanted. Yeah. And I'm telling you, Jay, I know I watched that 500 times, maybe 1,000. And I know he did it 4,000 times in his life.

Yeah. Nobody ever caught on. Now, he's passed away, unfortunately. So, I'm not throwing him under the bus.

He's not going to use those techniques anymore. But nobody ever in all those years saw that. You would think at some point, how come he always gets the guy that kind of matches his game, his handicap for the Nassaus? So that was a lot of fun. And he was just really competitive. Great short game player as well. That was his game. When we talk about these higher handicaps, you know, play to your strength.

You mentioned in one of the previous shows. And he did. He absolutely knew how to dink it and dink it and dink it and then got around and he'd chip it in and put it in and do whatever he needed. So it was probably his claim to fame as far as the best golf he ever played. He actually played in the L.A. Open with Jumbo Azaki in the Pro-Am.

And two things happened. One, my dad was probably somewhere in the 16, 15 handicap at the time. He shot 78 at Riviera.

78 at Riv. He played, he always played with a cigar in his mouth. And Jumbo Azaki was a heavy smoker, a cigarette smoker. But he marveled at how my father could swing with a cigar in his mouth. My dad didn't put it down. That cigar stayed in his mouth. He didn't burn his arm somehow.

He didn't burn his shirt. And Jumbo just had a great time. And that was kind of my dad's new favorite hero was Jumbo because they just, they couldn't speak each other's language, obviously. But somehow they did speak each other's language in a whole different way. Yeah, that's what the game does.

I mean, how do you spend five and a half hours with someone that you don't speak the same language with and enjoy the experience? I mean, come on. And your dad is a big, was a big man. Six, five, wow, 300 pounds maybe.

He ended up at 300, yeah. Yeah, just a big guy, funny and a character, and he is missing. But when we talk about relationships, a lot of great relationships on the golf course, I got to see that. I got to early on. And when I mentioned to, sometimes, you know, he would be moving to a new place or the big, big boss would come in. My dad was in retail. And, you know, I'd say that my dad at the end of the day, whether I played with them or caddied for him in that situation, and I just said, you know, God, I really didn't get a good, real good feel for that other guy.

And he kind of looked at me like, I don't know. But I kind of learned early on to feel that whole situation. So he gave me great, great exposure to the game, really my whole life, which was huge for me.

Yep, yep. I know my brother's got a really, really soft spot in his heart. Your dad had a huge influence on him and business. Not on his golf team. Not on his golf team. Your dad didn't have a huge influence on everybody's golf team, other than he told me one time when you guys were living in Southern California that he paid for your family vacation with all the money that he won, and I'm like, true story, true story. Well, hey, he had six kids. He grinded away his whole life to make all that kind of stuff happen.

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I want to just briefly give a tip. And it's more of a mental thing than anything else we've got. Good. I need a mental thing right now.

I'm trying to go away from some of the physical things because it's hard to translate those over the air. But you know what? Get ready to play great golf. Get ready to go out and have the best day you've ever had playing golf.

And people are like, come on, Delson, you're so Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm. I am. And I'm going to stay that way. Because I've been beat up on the other side of this thing, and I'll be damned if I don't want to be ready when all the good stuff's going to be happening. And what I mean by that, folks, is that, look, you get out and you're even par after six holes. Don't let it freak you out. If you put your mind, if you have these thoughts in your mind, your mind's not going to go racing on you or the likelihood of it is not going to happen.

Just be prepared for it. Prepare yourself for what's it going to be like playing that last hole trying to break 80 for the first time. Trust me, if you want to break 80, you need to be thinking about this stuff. Well, in the field, whether you're breaking 70, 80, 90, or 100, for the record, is all the same. It's all relative. That's another beautiful part about the game.

It's just as exciting to you, whatever that number is for you. And look, Bradley, we know how hard the physical side of the game is. But if you can get the mental side to go, it can take about 50 percent of that load off you, maybe even more.

Go out there with great energy, great attitude, and maybe the actual goal is just to be into it and having fun, high energy all day long. Yeah, regardless of what the score looks like. And then go, oh, let's add them up when we get finished. Tiger Woods did this. I'm convinced.

He watched movies of himself winning championships, and then when he got himself in that position, it was like, I've already seen this. I've already done it. Man, that's it. Good one. 19th hole. Pearly, thanks for being with us. USA Open, Father's Day, yikes. Yeah, happy Father's Day to everybody, Mike and Drew, the whole team at BYK. Mike Duffy's, everybody, all of our sponsors. Happy Father's Day to everybody.

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