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25 years on the PGA Tour and a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America, Jay Delsing brings you his perspective on one of the world's greatest games as a professional golfer and network broadcaster.

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We're always leaving that blank because I don't know anything about Instagram. All right. So, Pearly, we've got a show. We're going to have our golf tech segment here shortly. We're also going to preview the last major championship of the year, which seems so weird to be talking about that in July, that the major championship season is over. And the John Deere tournament is one of my favorites.

We're going to talk a little bit about that. But let's get down and have our Justin Hoagland fix from golf tech. Last week, we talked about driving the ball further and straighter, and that angle of attack and swing path are two vital keys to performing well and hitting more fairways. And today, I'll discuss some ways to improve one of those, and that is path. The first thing to remember is path changes the curve or sidestem of the ball. Swing path problems among amateur ranks takes the form of too much outside-to-in action or a swing that cuts across the line from the outside or right of the target line to the inside, left of the target line. So, most teachers will agree that an outside-in path is more of a challenge to fix than an open face because it involves changing the golfer's misguided logic, reasoning and technique. Most players might say it makes more sense in order to stop the ball from going to the right, you need to swing more to the left, and the actual opposite is true. Swinging more right negates left to right side spin or slice spin, and swinging more left only magnifies the curvature. I like to tell my students that if someone offered you a million dollars to make your next swing move more from the inside to out or to second base, you'd probably find a way to do it.

I would be guessing. You'd certainly be able to do it if you didn't care where the ball ended up. A simple swing thought here is, or a feeling to the listeners, is to help them react to the target is this. When you're at address with the driver in hand, imagine that you're in a batter's box of a baseball diamond. Ideally, you want to swing over the pitcher's head to second base, but since bad habits are hard to break, feeling like it's over the first baseman would be a good exaggeration of path. That will help a slicer find that correct happy medium of having good club path through the ball.

That's always good stuff. Love hearing from Justin and this year's fourth major. I just got to say this because it's kind of, I'm trying to get with this. The PGA of America moved the PGA championship from... You guys just don't like change. You guys just don't like change. No, just hang, this is, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that.

I'm just trying to get my hands around it. And I get why they did it. So we moved the PGA championship from August to May so that we have, man, we have the players in March. We have PGA championship in May. I mean, we have, jeez, forget Augusta.

Hello. We have the players championship in March. We got Masters in April. We've got PGA championship in May. We've got the US Open. We just experienced that in June. And then in July, we have the British Open.

But it just seems like August just got left out. I don't know. It's weird for me. Let me know, folks, if that bugs you.

I'm not saying it bugs me. It just seems like I want more. I definitely would like more, that's for sure. It's been a lot of fun, and I think there's a certain rhythm to it. But I think maybe for me, maybe like you, I don't like that it's over. That's what I'm kind of saying. But it's not supposed to be over, right?

Because you still have the FedEx. We have the FedEx Cup and things like that. And that's what's really going to be interesting is that the tour championship is going to wrap up like the second week of August, and then we go to the wraparound.

So anyway, it's different. The idea was it was a business decision, Pearl, because they did not want to go up against the NFL and college football. But remind me, so you've got August. It is in September, though. Is it President's Cup this year? Yeah, it is President's Cup this year. I mean, we do kind of have two more big ones.

It's not the majors. I get it. Yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe we don't like James. Maybe I don't like James. I just kind of struggle with that. I don't know. You can push back all you want.

One thing I noticed out there, they like those things the way they like the things. No doubt about it. Well, the open championship is at Royal Port Rush in Northern Ireland. Rory, not a hundred percent sure. I know he's got some ties to this golf course. And I know that he's really looking forward to having an open play in Northern Ireland. Now, Graham McDowell, whose game has had a really, really nice resurgence, he had a great U.S. Open Championship at Pebble. You know, he won there back in, he won there in 2010? I think he won in 2010. That's close for the show.

That was enough. Yep, we got the century right. He played phenomenal back then. That was a lot of fun watching him. Yeah, and he had a nice tournament there. And he also, I don't know if, folks, you caught this, but on the 72nd hole of the Canadian Open at Hamilton Golf Club, which is a great golf course up in one of the suburbs in Toronto, he hooped about a 45 or 50 foot putt that got him into, and it was for par, that got him into the Open Championship. And he's a Northern Irelander as well.

And that's a big deal. Unfortunately, I don't know much about this golf course. Never played it? I was going to ask if you've ever played up there. No, I've never played it. I have not either. I've never played it.

It looks absolutely spectacular. But I think it's cool that the RNA is getting golf to Ireland. I mean, Ireland, you think about back in the day, name me an Irish golfer.

You know, I think, was it Eamonn D'Arcy and Ferdy? I mean, you've got a few guys, you know, kind of tossed in there. But now we've got Padraig Harrington, Rory, we've got Graham McDowell and Darren Clark.

I mean, so there's a hell of a lot of good world class golf being played in Ireland and needs to be recognized. What do you like? Do you have an affinity for watching the British Open? Do you have a favorite major to watch? For me, that's a good question because I just like all the majors a lot. I think for me, the Open Championship, as they call it, kind of weather dependent. If it's beating the guys up too much, you know, maybe the last day it's okay if they're beating up too much because then things can happen all over the place. But I like to see good shots and I like to see them play the kind of golf that we're not really used to.

But too much wind can kind of take everything away from everybody. I love the diversity of it, Jay, to tell you the truth. I mean, Augusta, of course, U.S. Open, it moves around.

The significance, of course. PGA probably for me would be the lightest, the lightest one. I think it is for me as well. It really, even being a PGA guy. Yup, yup, yup. I know I love the PGA support them, but yeah, I just love, you know, when the back nine at Augusta comes around and you're doing that, I actually even appreciate the Players' Championship.

Absolutely. But I mean, that golf course has become almost iconic because of that 17th hole and you're thinking about that and the 18th hole is such a demanding test. But just the swings on that golf course, Jay.

I mean, you got a shot at Eagle on 16, anything on 17, just about anything on 18, especially depending on how the wind's blowing at the time. So there's a lot that can happen. I got to tell you, I got some numbers back. We've had almost 7,000 downloads of our podcasts, these shows and podcasts. And one of the things- And we only have five listeners.

How in the heck does that happen? I don't know. I was thinking to myself, if my mom were still alive, I'm like, boy, mom, you are downloading a lot of these things.

But unfortunately, she's not. But what's interesting is Brandel Shambly, I had a really cool interview with Brandel Shambly. That one's been downloaded quite a bit. He talked about the predictability and repeatability of golf courses. And you go from the first huge tournament, which we'll call the players, in March, and then you go to April to the Masters. The biggest disparity in who plays well, the players championship pearl, is absolutely impossible to predict. There's virtually zero ability for these players to know they're going to play it well year after year. However, Augusta is the most predictable. You know how Brandel's a stat whiz.

He said 80% of the time, the winner at Augusta comes from the top 16 in the world golf rankings, 80% of the time. So it's interesting. I'm pulling up these pictures right now of Royal Port Russian. It's just like the moon is spectacular. It really does look like the moon. Folks, you're going to see beautiful vistas, drastic views.

Obviously, the day they shot these photos is a pretty benign day. But we all know the weather can be such a determining factor on what this championship looks like. So the other thing that I like about the Open, it's on early. Yes.

You know what I mean? Yes. It's on early. Do you remember when we first went to UCLA?

I know it's hard to remember, but it was like 3,000 years ago, and we killed as many brain cells as we could while we were out there. But do you remember maybe or maybe not staying up late and then getting up early and having the NFL on it? Yes, yeah. You know, your first NFL game was on at like 10 o'clock in the morning? Well, I'll get up, crack it on, and watch this for sure. I really like watching British Open that way.

Yeah, absolutely. And this is clearly, folks, a Lynx golf course. Clearly a Lynx golf course. And what that means is it's done by water.

It has to be close to the sea, the ocean. And it's also going to have a huge majority of the shots can be played along the ground. And there's reason for that. Yeah, well, one of the balls can go further, because it can roll forever on those concrete fairways. I'm assuming they've got water on these fairways.

Yeah, definitely. I think what's interesting, back when I went over and played in the British Open, pro the 90s and stuff, they pretty much let the golf course, left it as it was. Meaning if it rained this time of this year, the courses were green.

If it didn't, they were brown. And they do a little more of this now. But you'll still see, because the golf courses and the expanses of them, they don't have the elaborate watering systems like we do over here in the States. Good or bad, we have bought into, if it's not green, it's not pretty. And I don't subscribe to that thinking, but I get it.

Well, and part of that, too, is all the history of the American players, the best players. I saw parts of the Hogan the other day. You've got... What do you mean the Hogan? Hogan's story. I'm sorry, the Hogan, when he went over. And trying to even fall in love with this.

You hear so much great things about it. Palmer, who am I leaving out? He had his biggest issues over there and walked off the course from Augusta National. Why can't I think of his name? Bobby Jones.

Bobby Jones. He goes over there, top world player. He walks off the golf course.

He looks at it, and I believe kind of a goat pasture. You've got to have the right attitude kind of going in there, and it's a different kind of game. I played a little bit over there, went through some qualifying. It's not this particular golf course, but you're faced with shots you're not faced with before. I've got a nine iron in my hand downwind. I'm thinking, I either land this on the green, and if I miss the green, it will go somewhere between 100 and 150 yards over the green because it's so hard off the green. On the green, it'll stop, but if I miss a little bit by two steps, it's that hard and kind of keep on going.

That's why a lot of guys just play it on the ground, so you might have a 150-yard shot, but they might not fly it more than 110. Right. No, there's no question about that. To your point, when I played in the 95 British Open at St. Andrews, I did not know that on a Sunday, when it's not championship Sunday, it's a dog park. The dogs are walking and pooping and doing their thing over there, and everybody's just kind of cruising around. Well, how was your experiences when you played over there? Did you like it? I really did. I loved it. I really did. I actually got to play Carnoustie for the Scottish Open, had a funny experience there. But you did well there, didn't you?

We can talk about that. Yeah, I finished, I don't know, probably like 15th or 12th or something like that. Then I went over and had to qualify for the British, and I qualified for the British at a little lacy place called Scott's Craig, and played well there, and then got to play St. Andrews. The thing that still amazes me is how, in the summertime, how long it stays light. I mean, my morning tea time, my early tea time, was 12.50.

My late tea time was like 4.50, and I'm coming down, I'll never forget this, I'm coming down to 18, and you got the clock tower there at St. Andrews and a cool village and all this stuff, and it's got to be, hell, Pearl, it's got to be 9.20 at night, and you can go play another 18. It is amazing. Conversely, what do you think the winners are like over there? Yeah, that much probably, huh? Ooh. Yeah. Not good.

Not good at all. Well, that's going to wrap up the On the Range segment. Stay with us. This is Golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN.

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J-A-Y at J-A-Y-D-E-L-S-I-N-G-G-O-L-F dot com. And each week, if we read your email, you get Golf for Two, compliments of Walter's Golf Management at Gateway National Golf Club. This week is a question from Tyler. My buddies and I are trying to hit draws off the tee because we think we can hit it further that way. My dad says we should try to hit it straight and forget the distance.

Jay, can you weigh in on this one? I love this question. This is such a modern day golf question. We were talking about the way the tour players play now. And nobody cares about the fairway. Now, at Detroit Golf Club, it was a little bit different because there were some tree-lined. But I think we mentioned last week how Cameron Champ tried to try to keep the ball in the fairway. It's not something that is on the modern tour player's radar. Jay, that goes all the way back to, though, we talked about this with the Ryder Cup in Paris. They had to hit the fairway. And our best players either knew they couldn't hit the fairway so they hit the driver anyway because they knew they were going to hit it, but they weren't hitting enough of them and there was some really trouble.

Yeah, you know what, Pearl, when you think about that, their ability or lack of ability to adjust was just remarkable to me. But that's kind of the way this thing rolls. It's called Johnny Miller used to call it the bomb and gouge. If you bomb and it goes straight, great.

If not, you just go over wherever it is and gouge it out. But to what the Euros did, to their credit, is they dictated play. They made the rough so penal that your gouges were leading to bogeys. Right. Even though there was a wedge in your hand, you still couldn't gouge it out.

They just kicked their ass the whole week. Regardless, if you can't control it, you can't get your club on the ball and you have a whole bunch of grass in between it. I don't care how good you are, the ball's still not going to react consistently. Yeah. So to get to Tyler's question, Tyler, bomb it.

Bomb it. Figure out the straight later. I am not 100% convinced that the draw will always go further than the fade. The way I see some of the tour players hit fades, I actually was able to hit a power fade for a good portion of my career and I don't think I lost a hell of a lot of distance. What do you think?

I don't think so either. Back I mentioned the Ben Hogan documentary they've got going, playing now on Golf Channel. But he went from just hooking the heck out of it because he wanted to hit it far just for that. But he got to the point where he was definitely hitting it far, but he couldn't win any money.

And so he learned to make some changes. Eventually, I think he could work the ball both ways, high, low, whatever the heck he wanted to. But I think that fade. And I heard one of the guys, I think during the Detroit tournament, one of the commentators talking about, boy, you've got to have that out shot. You've got to have that shot that no matter what the condition, no matter what the pressure, you've got to be able to get it. Now, if that's a draw, fine. But normally it's a bit of a fade. It's a bit of a slide.

Well, we saw Nate Lashley just dominate and hit nothing but draws. So to your point, have a shot. Tyler, you've got to be able to find your golf ball.

But I have no trouble with you and your buddies trying to stand up there and bomb it. Nicholas used to say, let younger guys go ahead and hit it hard because that's something you want them to have in the bag. You can always then adapt and start learning different shots and playing different clubs. Because it's tough to get distance in your future.

Get it early when you can kind of get a feel for it. I'm a bit of an example of that because I could never really bomb it by any stretch. You're starting to now. A little bit more so now.

But I wish that I just would have had that kind of power and then tone it down from there so that it was in the bag. Plus, I'm going to say this. The tour players in general are trying to smash it. Now, you can say, what about Ernie Els? What about Fred? That's just the late great pain steward. Their rhythm was the rhythm.

That's just what they're either gifted with or what they have. But they're trying to bomb it. I'm trying to bomb it. You want to bomb it. Meat's bombed out because he can't bomb it.

But he's working on it. Chicks love the long ball, as Bill Murray would say. Chicks love the long ball. So I mean, it's one of those things where, yeah, Tyler, keep bombing it. And enjoy the heck out of it. Your dad might be a little bummed because you might be hitting it past him. But then you'll start getting the control. Yeah, you will.

And other things will be important to you so that you can start scoring a little bit better. I think that's great advice, Jay. Yeah, you know, it's interesting, Pearl, your competitiveness will come in.

Because, say, that's great. You bombed it. And then the short hitter, did he beat you? Well, you've got to have to make some sort of adjustments. Or maybe you still want to hit your driver, but you're going to hit a few left of riders off the tee to get you in play a little more. And you're working with a couple of young guys, Jay, that can absolutely bomb it.

How's that? Crimson Callahan is absolutely — he's got 127-mile-an-hour equipment speed. Guy absolutely smashes the daylights out of it. And he's really, really playing well.

Won the old Warson Cup and just lost in the quarterfinals of his first adventure in the Missouri State Amateur. Yeah, he's doing a lot of good things. And he can absolutely bomb it. So when you can bomb it, what it does for you is it gives you so many options about when you have to find the fairway.

The issue is, Pearl — and you know this from our experiences — is discipline doesn't come that easy when you're 16 and 18. You still want to bomb it. Yeah, but to yours and Crimson's credit, he's made that transition. He can absolutely bomb it, but he's also very much learned how to play the game and hit different shots, have different mentality. But yeah, when you can hit it that hard, and then you can pull out a 3- or 4-iron and hit it, I don't know, 220, 230, 240 down the fairway.

That's a nice outshot. Got a young guy down in Washington, Missouri, Austin Horse Camp, who I've got a golf scholarship down to Missouri State. I don't know. They changed all the names of the universities. Is it Rolla? I don't know if that's Missouri State. Nah. Missouri S&T. All right, cool.

Again, close. They work with you, they got a golf scholarship. Is that how this thing works?

It's the University of Missouri School. Well, I'd like to think that, but anyway, I don't know about that. But he is another one of these really good athletes that can just bomb it. You know, and — The coaches are looking for that, though. The coaches want to be able to hit it, don't they? Yeah. And Austin was, I think, a point guard at basketball, you know, so he played. Crimson was a quarterback. Very athletic guys.

They're playing a bunch of sports. Yeah, so, yeah, very, very cool stuff. If you can bomb it, man, enjoy it. Bomb it. That's what, on our first Whack-N-Chase episode last two weeks, three weeks ago — Yeah, Sam says he bombs it every time.

Sam, Sam, well, I wasn't thinking Sam as much as Dave. It's like, oh, I don't really care about making a couple puffs. I just want to bomb one. I just want to bomb one.

Yeah, so I don't blame it. Got to talk a little bit about the John Deere Classic. That's the event this week on tour. One of my favorites, Pearl.

One of my favorites. They have pork chop sandwiches there. They have — here's what this event meant to me. It was a small — Quad Cities is Moline and Rock Island, Illinois, along with Davenport and Bettendorf, Iowa, are right there along the river. The Rock River, I think it is. And we'd come in there, and it was a little bitty tournament at the time. It was sponsored by Light Beer at one point, where we'd have Ed McMahon showed up there, and so did — who was the big basketball player — Pearl from Milwaukee Bucks, who did ads for — I have the biggest feet — Bob Lanier.

Oh, okay. He played for Detroit Pistons, yep. He played for Milwaukee also, didn't he?

I don't know. He played for Detroit when I lived in Detroit. I know that much. Regardless, he had monster feet. Yeah, anyway, because those are the big feet.

No, these are the biggest feet. It was an old commercial, and all the young people are going, I don't know what you guys are talking about. But the point is, when we would go to a community like that, it meant something to them.

It really did. You could see — people look forward to this event, and they still look forward to this event. John Deere is the longest-running title sponsor on the PGA Tour. They do a phenomenal job. Also, the economic impact for that community is off the charts.

It is off the charts. It's a farming community. It's basically a bunch of farmland. And John Deere happens to have their headquarters there. It is a cool, cool thing. They did some good things for the families, too, didn't they? Oh, the big dig, where you get to — I've had the girls go into this crazy monster equipment and dig up dirt and throw it over the top of the — you know, throw it at somebody else.

It's really, really a fun thing. So one of my coolest PGA Tour stories has to do with John Deere. This is when TWA was still around. And the reason that's important is that Saturday night of John Deere week, one of my favorite music groups was coming to St. Louis. REM was playing out of what is now called the Hollywood Casino Amphitheater out there.

It used to be called Riverport and all these other names. And I was trying to figure out how I was going to go to this concert. I had a bunch of friends we're going to go. So I finished my round on Saturday, got on old TWA, flew down, went to the concert, slept in my bed. I was in the last group of the tournament on Sunday.

Only you. Flew back on a 10 o'clock flight, had breakfast, went back to my hotel room, got my clothes on, went to the golf course, finished third. Awesome. That's the way I should have played the tour all the time. All that diversion kept me on my toes.

It was one of the craziest — I got to say, this is way off the track, but we're on the 18th hole. I'm playing with D.A. Wybring and Jonathan Kaye. And D.A.

Wybring — So there's the characters. D.A. Wybring has got — he's tied with Jonathan Kaye. Jonathan Kaye's got to have a long putt for par. I've got about a 15-footer for birdie that I make to give me solo third.

D.A. has got about an 18-foot putt that was just outside of mine, and it was just off the green and had a massive chunk of mud on his ball. And he hits this thing, and this ball is rolling like it's blown a tire. You know, it's hopping in the air every once in a while, and then it's rolling. And this ball literally getting ready to stop, Pearl, an inch wide of the hole and hits the mud thing and goes right in.

Are you kidding me? And I looked at D.A. and, you know, he's over there doing a cartwheel because he's just excited that he won. And I'm like, I cannot believe that happened.

And I remember talking to him, bringing that up a couple years later, and what does he say? Oh, no. Nothing like that hit.

He hit it pure. What are you talking about? Yeah. He had no idea.

Couldn't even remember. But they do a great job. And so you see a lot of the corporate involvement in the PGA Tour. You see how it's gotten corporate. We talked about the old West Coast swing, where you used to have Bob Hope and Glen Campbell in the L.A. Open and the Bing Crosby Clan, Bacon and stuff.

This is a really cool middle. You got a great corporate sponsor in John Deere. And it's still really community, still really small-time feely, big-time golf.

It's a great event. Was that tournament played at the same golf course forever, or did they move it out to that TPC? They moved it to the TPC-Deere run.

Deere had property out there, and they built the course on their own property. Where would you rather play, the original course? The original. I figured you'd say that. I love the original.

The original. I had more top 10s over there. Of course, they were smallest purses.

I'm trying to play well on all the smallest purses, just to make it as difficult on myself as I could. Because the one they play at now is a beautiful golf course. It is beautiful.

There's a lot of neat things to it. I caddied for you a couple times out there. I don't know if it just didn't quite suit your game relatively well.

Just suits your eye. I know it didn't suit my eye as a caddy. I was so uncomfortable all the time out there. Yeah, it was a lot of tough looks. Obviously, the rest of the guys were having no trouble with it. They would tear it up.

Tear it up. But I'm out there going... A couple where you can only see half the pin, where there's just enough yardage where you can't really go for the par fives, but you kind of want to. It just constantly felt off balance. Yeah, a lot of blind shots and things like that. Before we do our whack-and-chase segment, I want to go back and get your take on Cameron Champ and his caddy.

I know we're a couple weeks removed, but I want to talk about that. But that's going to wrap up the front nine. This is Golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN.

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It's been two weeks ago. We got to talk about this caddy player dust up with Cameron Champ. I think it's the right thing to talk about, because any avid watchers of golf out there, I noticed the last year that the commentators talk a lot more about the relationship between caddy and player. Players often now refer to as their team, or us, we.

There's not too much I out there anymore. But the dust up you're talking about was Cameron Champ and his caddy. I don't know the caddy's name. But they were coming down the stretch on, I think it was on a Saturday, Jay. Actually, I'm not positive. No, it was on Saturday. Was it 17th hole out there? Yeah.

It's instant. We're talking about... Yes, the par five, yep. So they're going back and forth and back and forth. To Peter Costas' credit, he says, bottom line is, these guys have been doing heavy banter, meaning they're not getting along all day out there.

That kind of really struck me. I can see when there's not a lot of synergy between the two, flow between the two, but I guess these guys were kind of going at it. He says they have them on, the voice you can hear, hit a soft three wood or something. Didn't he say something like, how about a buttery, buttery... And I'm thinking, Cameron Champ buttery?

Plus, there's water, there's this, there's that, there's the other things going on. He hits a buttery three wood that's rising as it hits the stands over the green. And you could tell Champ was like, this is wrong. I don't want to hit it. But he hit it anyway. My question to you is, it's the player.

Why would the player hit what the caddy said if the player doesn't want to? He's a young player. Obviously, it's not extremely confident, I think, right now. We talked a little bit about his struggles.

He came out, he's won a tour event. I mean, struggles are- Relative. Relative, right? But he's really kind of fallen off the planet the last several months. And it's tough.

And now all of a sudden, he's thrust right into the final group on Saturday, and it didn't go well at all. And man, when you're following too much of what your caddy wants you to do instead of what your instincts tell you to do, it didn't work. It never worked out well for me. Yeah. Our relationship, we've talked about that a little bit on the show, is if you had any question in your voice, even if you were kind of making a statement, oh, this is... Five Iron is right, but if I've kind of sensed question, then we would talk about it a little bit. I can't remember any times unless there's a complete question where I said, hit the six. Right. I would always mention, Jay, there's at least three clubs we could hit here. What feels best to you?

What can you plug into here? And to me, it's all about pumping the player up and getting that comfort, that confidence, whatever that player needs at that time. So when I hear there's heavy banter back and forth, I was floored by that.

I would like to know the inner workings on how it gets to that. But you've got some stories of some caddies that didn't go so well out on tour? Yeah.

All the different... I mean, I've got a story where Billy Cratchit ran out of golf balls in the Antires of Bush Golf Classic and things like that. But there's too many caddies that want to over caddy, Pearl. But you get different personalities. So Jordan Spieth and Michael Griller.

I mean, if I'm Michael Griller, I'm going home at night and I'm getting a cocktail and I'm going to like put my head in a bucket of ice or something because he is just on him and on him and on him. And then you get other players that are like... Should I just hit it at the tree? This club?

That's a tree. Gotcha. And off they go and they do it.

And there's not a lot of stress. But you know what happens. There are certain shots and you probably only have...

Sometimes you might have a half a dozen but sometimes you only have two or three a round. But you're like, it just doesn't look right to you. It doesn't feel right. It doesn't match up to the ball fight that you have. Typically speaking, folks, we're talking about a left-hand pin and you want to be trying to cut something into that flagstick and there's a tree that overhangs the left side of the green and there's just no way to get to that flagstick hitting that shot. It's hard times but I think getting to know the player... You and I, I think, especially towards the latter years, did a better job of mapping out some strategy ahead of time so we would get to that given hole where you might really be struggling. That's a place where I could help plug in a little bit and say, hey, remember, this is the plan.

I don't care where the pin is. We're going to hit a couple of nodes that way. Your strength for me was when we got to those places on the golf course that made me anxious or didn't set up right or didn't do whatever right. Man, we had a great plan and we developed a plan there. The whole Caddy things, we could talk about this. We should probably talk about this every show a little bit because the Caddy's job has changed quite a bit over the years.

But I think there needs to be a plan and I don't... I don't know, when he goes south out on a tour with as much money as you're playing for and as much pressure there is and especially with a young guy like that, I'm hoping he has a very seasoned Caddy. There's probably a great reason for this inside, getting the inside scoop. Maybe that's something we can reach out and try to find but that blew me away.

I've just never seen it quite that blatant like that. I guess Tom Watson had a meltdown a couple years ago with his guy in- Just give me the number. That's all Tom Watson said. Just give me the number. The guy couldn't do it. Couldn't do the number. Nope.

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Go check out my friends at the Roan Rum Bar. I mean, this is a great place where you get your toes in the sand and a drink in your hand. Now that's the way to do it.

I remember we were down in Myakopa one year and we had a little bit of that but we were in the sand a lot on the golf course and off the golf course too. Right. Now let's shift gears a little bit. I've got a great interview with my friend and fellow PGA professional Maria Palazzola. I gotta tell you, Marie, I can't wait for folks to learn if they probably know about you already.

But for those that don't and first time listeners and podcasters that are joining us, you've got a lot of great things going on. You got this tournament for veterans that we're going to get to for a little bit. You got your company, St. Louis Golf Lessons.

I know you're at two locations. You have five instructors. Now tell us a little bit about that.

Right. So, um, you know, over the years, just having a lot of success at teaching, which, which is what I love. And my business just kind of grew and grew.

And, you know, you get to the point where, you know, if you're fortunate enough to be booked up and you're turning people away, you start to say, well, you know, I need more help and there's a way I can, you know, kind of scale this. So I brought on a couple full time instructors and a couple of full time instructors and started increasing our programs that we do. So we've got, I think we're up to about 10 different junior programs currently. We've got, you know, US Kids golf camps that we run. We've got four PGA junior league teams that we teach. We run the West County chapter, the LPGA, USG, Girls Golf Club. We've got like a select junior training program.

And in addition, we've got weekly ladies clinics and men's clinics and other programs for adults and families. I don't know how you do it. I know you have two boys and they look like twins.

I know they're not twins, but I know they keep you hopping as well. And folks, if you're wondering, does this woman have the credentials? Check, check some of these things out. Top 10, Maria is a top 10 golf digest instructor in the state of Missouri, a top 50 LPGA instructor in the world. And I think you've only won the Midwest teacher of the year section award. What six or seven times, right, Maria? Correct. Yeah, yeah, six times. And to the point, I think last year, I was doing, you know, so much locally and nationally for the LPGA that I decided to back off a little bit.

I don't know why. Let others step up and put more of my focus on my local business and then also the foundation. And also, let's not forget about your part of the Golf Channel, the Golf Academy here in St. Louis. You are their local representative here in the city, correct?

Correct. Yeah, they've built a network of professionals across North America, the US and Canada. And I was fortunate enough to, you know, get a call and see if I was interested in being the sort of the lead instructor for the St. Louis area. And so it was a good opportunity to join, you know, join their network. I mean, it's one of the largest, probably your most recognizable brands in golf. So I figured that would add a little legitimacy to what we're doing.

And they, of course, have a broad network for advertising. Yeah, really terrific. You have been at this now what how many years have you been? I know you've loved the game besides this.

We didn't even talk about how what a good player you are and how you played in LPGA events and love to compete. How long have you been teaching now? 25 years, which I, I kind of laugh when I say that because it, you know, it makes you feel old. I know you started when you were five.

So let's just get that straight. Really good stuff. Maria, the thing that is most, it's very near and dear to my heart. And you started an event last year. You start first of all, you started a foundation, the Palazzolo Foundation. And you have a tournament that you had at the Missouri Bluffs, it was extremely successful called forces on the fairway. Tell us a little bit about that. And I know that there's some personal tragedy that was almost kind of the Oh, the last straw that kind of pushed you into to doing this event.

Right. So yeah, we have a family history of service. My grandfather was in World War One.

He was nerve gassed and sent home. And then my father was in the Battle of the Bulls, a huge battle in World War Two. And, you know, looking back a lot of a lot of people that, you know, known them both close, you know, family members, you know, kind of convinced they they probably both suffered from PTSD. And then I've got two nephews that served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And one of them took his life a year and a half ago. And prior to that, I had talked to him about using golf as an avenue to help veterans, you know, PGA LPGA pros, we spent a lot of time given back to the game. And we try to bring in, you know, juniors into the game and get ladies involved and minorities were always trying to reach out to grow the game.

And the one sector I really wasn't doing anything for was veteran. So it was always in the back of my mind. So he and I were doing something but he was very worried that he was getting his master's degree at Webster and he, he got the grant form and helped build the Veterans Outreach Center over there, which they've since remained after him.

And so, you know, you think things are going well, and my business is growing and changing every year. And so you think, okay, well, now's not the time, but this is something we're definitely going to do. And, you know, you get that phone call, you know, that that he committed suicide in anyone that's experienced that you're never going to get over that and get over here in that phone call. And, and you've got so many questions, you know, nobody knew, you know, he was helping other veterans.

So why did he do this to himself? You just can't imagine, you know, what was going through his mind and the struggles that he faced and if anything's going to catapult you into action, it's, it's that phone call. So, you know, after the funeral and all that, I just said, you know, now's the time. I mean, you know, I can do something sort of to honor him and my dad and my grandpa and see if there's a way that we can help and try to find ways that my organization could do things that weren't already being done. Cause there are, there are a lot of veterans organizations in St. Louis, and they're doing a lot of great things. But with golf being my background, we came up with sort of three main missions. And one of them is giving a handicap golf cart to a local public force every year. So that wounded vets can, can get into the game and play the game.

And I'll tell you about that in a second. And then the other one is handicapped chairs that can be used at driving ranges because in reality, we've got to get these these people to believe they can get into the game and believe they can do it. You don't want to just take someone that's handicapped and throw them out on a golf course and they don't know what they're doing. So we want to give them some experience and a level of comfort and learn the game at practice facilities. And then, you know, we can get them out there and get them using the carts. And then the third thing we did was we developed a network of courses in the St. Louis area that we fund so that veterans can play at a discount. And if they're, of course, it already offers a discount.

It gives them an additional $10 off that rate. So we had our event, as you mentioned, our first inaugural event last year at the Bluffs. It was a huge success. We sold out, got a lot of great local support. Jim Holcreeve and Skip Berkmayer came out to play with us and we had like a military flyover.

It was just really moving the national anthem, the whole thing. And then what we did is we use those funds to give away our first cart, which we dedicated the ball and golf course Memorial Day weekend. So they've got our first card. And then if you're familiar with For Honor, which was formerly Deer Creek, which is also run now by its own Veterans Foundation, they are going to receive next year's golf cart. Our big fundraiser event is coming up in about five weeks. It's August 26 at Whitmore. Anheuser-Busch has stepped up as a huge sponsor for that event. We've got a lot of other great sponsors and the money raised from that event at Whitmore on August 26 is going to raise the funds for the golf cart for For Honor.

Whitmore is the sponsor of my show and they just do some great stuff. It's no surprise that they've stepped in. You know, now you've got 36 holes to sell out, I guess. Exactly. And we're not we're not quite there.

So we could use all the help we could get. I'm hoping we weren't overly ambitious, but we've got pretty much everybody from last year coming back and then some and a few new sponsors this year. So we're we're seeing growth every year and to be only a year and a half old. I think our organization is just doing fantastic. I've got a great board of nine very active board members, which actually includes also a retired Army general and a retired Navy captain. So we've got a good military presence on the board.

So I think things are, you know, again, for just being 18 months old, we're, we're moving forward full speed. Maria, please tell our listeners and podcasters how they can become involved, how they can help how they can donate money. I know you're taking volunteers, you you won't turn anybody down that that has a heart for this.

Oh, exactly. We are always looking for volunteers are our website, you can get through it's the palazola foundation.org. Forces on the fairways is sort of the name of our project, if you will.

So you can, you can also go to forces on the fairways.org, which is easier for some people to spell than palazola. And you can donate there on the website, you can sign up to play, you can sign up to sponsor the event, we're, you know, always looking for whole sponsors and, and other levels of sponsorship. And then anyone that's interested in joining the committee or volunteering or helping that we would love that and they can certainly just contact me directly.

And you can also just go through info at forces on the fairways.org for an email, or, you know, give me a call. Yeah, I mean, Maria, first of all, we both love the game. I've done some stuff for the veterans. I just love the fact that you have dedicated your entire life and your career to golf growing the game telling you know, singing the song carrying the banner you're and folks, it's Maria is a great teacher, not only for women for men as well, knows how to play as a fierce competitor. And I just love having people like you on the show talking about it, you can hear the passion in your voice. And we just wish you all the best of luck and, and keep doing what you're doing. Thank you, I really appreciate it. And our entire board thanks you know, appreciate you helping us get the word out. Because you know, as I stated, we are young, but we're growing.

And I feel like we're going to do a lot of great things to help veterans through the game. That's that's awesome, folks. That's Maria Palazzola. She's talking about her event called forces on the fairway. Maria, give us one more time the date. I know it's in August and I know it's in Whitmore. Correct. It's Monday, August 26.

Typical 1030 check in 12 o'clock shotgun at Whitmore country club. Great stuff. Maria, thanks so much.

And you and I will definitely stay in touch on this as well. Great. Thanks, Jay.

That's great stuff. We love having folks on golf with Jay delsing show that love the game, grow the game, and are really really giving of their time and Maria sure fits that bill. So that's going to do it for the back nine.

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Yeah. Very good. I got a tip of we have kind of gotten away from tips of the week. I want to I have a tip of the week because you know my my real passion on trying to help people with their game is a short game stuff.

OK. So we have a tip of the week. And so what I wrote down was I think it's a cool method of chipping around the green where you take a three wood or hybrid you remember. I remember specifically we were in New Zealand together and we were on the back of the green on it was like the 11th hole there was like a 240 yard par 3.

And when you go to different countries there's always one of the things we always look for when we go play a new course especially in a different country is what are we going to be dealing with this week that we've never seen before. And do you remember how weird they had a they had a cut of fringe around the green so they had a typical one that was probably two feet around the edge that was just basic just like you see here. And then they had a cut that was probably almost 10 feet wide around the green where it was like an intermediate cut.

So it was it wasn't four inches long but it also wasn't audible. Right. And so we started trying to hit these pitch shots out there and every time we tried to bounce a pitch in there it would just grab. And so that's where we started messing around with the three wood and doing chipping and pitching with the three wood. And what I what I want to encourage folks to do is try their hybrids on this method or try the three wood or even a five wood and use your putting stroke. So what that does Pearl is it just lofts the ball up in the air enough but it gets a lot of forward momentum a lot of forward roll and you you can take a really really difficult chip shot pitch almost even a pitch shot it can get that far away and you can knock it down to size. Remember Todd Hamilton.

Yes. He won the British Open and he wore out that tailor made hybrid his. It speaks to what you just said getting the over spin so that the ball reacts correctly when you when you landed you and I talked a lot about this when you'd be out there practicing to on any of those kinds of chips the best players are very plugged in to how much spin whether it's a hook spin a fade spin or trying to stop it much more so than they than the commentators talk about. They're not going to just stand up and say oh that checked more than he anticipated. Well maybe but I mean that has to be planned out and they should talk a little bit more about that because you and I would say I would say yeah let's hit a low chip here but have a hooky spin on it. Here's exactly why. Because if if you hit that low shot you're gonna play a bump and run with cut spin on it you're gonna get half the role you expect.

But people don't talk about they know they never do. So you say well I had mine was at the same level years was why didn't mine take off right backspin or side spin not a hook spin. Right. The best players are putting all those calculations. Yeah there's no question. Correct run out that first bounce and how it hits what it hits on.

Crucial. Especially when they're landing before the green you see a lot of time you're going to see that the British Open. There's a lot where the ball is landing before the green. You'd better know what spin you're putting on is not just trajectory. You have to be focused on that spin too.

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