Golf With Jay Delsing - - Caddy Tales

25 years on the PGA Tour and a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America, Jay Delsing brings you his perspective on one of the world's greatest games as a professional golfer and network broadcaster.

It's the game that connects the pros and the average Joes. Brought to you by Whitmore Country Club, Golf with Jay Delsing is now on 101 ESPN. Good morning, this is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay Delsing. I'm here with my buddy, longtime caddy, on and off friend, John Pearlis. Good morning, on and off friend. Glad to be here, ready to go. Lots to talk about. Man, oh man, FedEx Cup finals coming up or here.

We're just waiting for the final final. Yeah, that's right. So, got a great show. This show is basically, I like to call it, refer to the show as Caddy Tales. We have got an interview from our dear friend, Al Milan, who's been a life-long caddy. It's just some great stories. So, we're gonna get to Al. Wait a second, we got Whack and Chase now and we're starting Caddy Tales.

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Thanks so much for your insight each week. John, how long have we talked about wanting to do a segment called Caddy Tales? And I'm not exaggerating. I'm pretty sure it's pushing 20 years. 20 years. And folks, we didn't even think about having a show until like a year and a half ago. Once upon a time, I was thinking of just like writing a little newsletter type of a thing. Before like blogs came out. Yeah. But I was like, it'd be like the first bloggers.

It'd be Caddy Tales and just have caddies from the PGA Tour tell stories. Again, the key there too is we're not trying to rake anybody over the coals, that kind of stuff. Just hear funny things.

Unless we want to. Yeah. Well, if it's that kind of guy, then we'll rake him over the coals. But just to be able to kind of share the fun stories and things like that. Well, so with Al, Al Milan is with Pearly and I. Al, you have welcomed to the show, and thanks so much for joining us.

Yeah, thank you. You have been not only you've caddied for me, and you've suffered through a lot of the delsing adventures on the course, but you have been a friend. And not only have we gone to some wars together, tour schools and things like that. We've had dinner together, we played cards together, and I consider you just such a good friend. I really appreciate you coming on.

Me as well, and I appreciate you having me. So Al, John and I started this show, and what we keep hearing from folks is keep telling stories. We want to know, people want to know, and Al, you know, when I first met you, it was down in Atlanta in 1985.

You were first with Peter. Who would have ever thought that anybody would have given a damn about what we were doing inside the ropes, Al? Because the tour was small, golf was more irrelevant than ever, and you know, we were just playing because we absolutely loved it.

And now everybody's saying, talk to us about what's happening inside the ropes. Exactly, and it's amazing to me that, you know, unless you had a top 10 player in the world back in those days, this was a lifestyle, it wasn't a job, and that's why I was doing it. It was a lifestyle.

I wanted to travel and fart around and party, and so that's what I ended up doing was going to be for a year or two, and 34 years later I'm still doing it. And now these guys are making hundreds of thousands of dollars, at least six figures if you have anyone that keeps their cart, you know, and they have food and valet parking and dry cleaning and stuff caddies do like the players used to. You know, Al, it's about time, Al, it's the way, because coming from a part-time mediocre caddy, I would say it's about time.

Well, you had a mediocre player, so you never could have been a damn good caddy because you had a mediocre player. But Al, you know what's cool about this, though, is that you had so much to do with where they are now. I mean, I hope you can find some joy in that. People come to me and go, man, you got to be so pissed off. You know, they'll look at my career and go, you're a rookie, you're on tour, you kept your card and made 47 grand. I'm like, I'm not pissed off at all.

I mean, would have been better to make a million. That's a quick math. But I mean, Al, I can remember when, you know, you guys were traveling five and six in a van and sleeping on the floors and that's how the party started. That's how the party started.

And more importantly, how it ended. I hate to interrupt really quick, but that just flash back to something that, you know, yeah, we had five guys in a van and we'd sleep. One year in Hartford, I actually slept with only three in a room and we played 30s for beds, which meant high man of the day slept on the floor.

And Steve Pate shot in the 60s every day and I slept on the floor every night. Only caddies, only caddies, only caddy in your caddyhood would you be punished for having your guy make too many birdies. It makes sense to me because it's less work if the guy's making birdies, right Al? Yeah, yeah. Plus Al gets to sleep in, the other guy's going to get up at the crack of the honor, maybe didn't even make the cut.

Right. So Al, one of the things, so you're from Kelowna, beautiful BC, British Columbia. And how the hell did the PGA tour even get on your radar?

Radar? Well, in a nutshell, someone that's worked for you, Brad Whittle and I have been friends since I was 13. We played junior golf together.

Caddy did a club together. He and I were in college and we were going to embark on a two month vacation to Australia and with a couple other guys. Well, Brad and his brother was the only ones that got their money together and Brad went to Australia. And at the time, I think he was 19, he was an assistant pro at our golf club we grew up at. And some Australian golfers came in right before his trip and said, well, to subsidize your trip, we can get a job on the Australian tour. So he went down there and liked it so well, he sold his return ticket home and went and worked the Asian tour and European tour and was gone 10 months instead of two months and came home with all these stories to me on a trip that I was supposed to be on. And I was like so bummed and so jealous and he managed to go back into school for about a year.

And then he went from Australia, who he had met, got his card to play in America and called him up and said, come to American Caddy for me. And I was like, you're going caddying again. And so he laughed and four months later came home said I'm buying a van. And I'm going to go wait a minute. Wait a minute. Brad Whittle paid for that van. Yeah, he did. Wow.

Plus he's with he's with Grady, who's a good player. No, no, no, no, not Oh, great. Great. Great.

No, no, no way. He won the PGA. He's a hell of a good player. Yeah.

Whittle saw him. Look, we don't want anything from macro Grady. We've already given back trouble. I did not mean that. I got my name messed up. So anyways, he came home and bought this van and said, oh, you know, I was happy to agree. I dropped out in one.

Yeah. So dropped out to figure out what I wanted to do. And halfway through that year of that, I was going to drop state working. Brad Whittle came back to get her brother married off and said, you always wanted to travel. I'm buying a van, jumping my van.

I'll get a job in the States Caddy. And so I sold my $500 car and my $2,000 home stereo emptied my bank account of my $500. I had in there jumped in his van and drove from Colonna, DC to Washington, DC. That's awesome. You can't get there from there. That is unbelievable.

Yeah. And, uh, and showed up Monday morning in the parking lot and crashed over these doors in my pocket. And my buddy said, there's the player's parking lot. When they pull in, ask him to bring me your job.

So I did that and didn't get a job. And, uh, he had put, called some other caddies, put feelers up to try and find out a job. He needs no money. He's got no money.

And he's in my van. So I, he, he needs the money too. And, uh, the guy named Bruce Berry was on the range talking to Steve Pater rookie and he knew the Caddy.

So Bruce came up to the parking lot and said, uh, go down to the range, pay for the Caddy. So I went down there and kind of told him who I was and, uh, said, listen, you know, at that time percentage money was not really in my mind. I need a salary check to get through this year to sleep four in a room and travel on a random party. That's all I wanted to do. I wanted a job. So I said to this guy, I said, listen, I'll work for the rest of the year, for the rest of the year. Um, and he said, well, let's see how you do this week. Well, the week went on. We make a seven on a par five.

Our last hole on Friday was picked up every pine tree on the whole. Hey, Peter, hey, Al, Peter wasn't hot at that point. Was he? Uh, he's still hot. Most of his career, he was an active volcano.

Now he's a dormant volcano, but he's still a volcano. Yeah. Yeah. Right on.

So, yeah. So, uh, I asked him, I said, what does this mean? He goes, well, I don't have a checkbook. Come back to my room.

He wrote me a check for my salary, which I was happier than a pig. And you know what? And, uh, uh, he said, listen, I'm not playing next week. The week after that, I promised. And after that, I'll meet you in Atlanta and it's your job full time. So I said, perfect. Wow. So the next week I worked for a Texan named Dave Davis at Westchester cuts like one or two over and we shot 17 over, but I got a salary check.

I got a salary check. The week after that, my buddy has never worked in the U S open. So he has a chance to work for Dennis in Detroit. That was Dennis, then daddy tricks or cause your, your phone cut out a little, right? Right. Dennis was a whole different ball game right there.

Yes, for sure. And, uh, so Brad says, you're going to work for Wayne Grady at Chattanooga and I'm going to go work the U S open. I said, all right, well, we have a job. So Wayne Grady finished fifth.

I make $700, which was huge to me. And Brad Whittle goes to Detroit, smashes the fan up, misses the cut. So now it's week four and I'll meet in Atlanta and this 23 hour rookie loses in a playoff that he should have won. I mean, I remember, I remember meeting you in the practice run, Peter. And I remember we played a practice run every single Tuesday and somewhere between eight 30 and nine every single Tuesday. And I remember how I remember your exuberance. I remember your, your young face.

I remember how excited you were. It was Atlanta country club. Yes. Yep.

Atlanta country club. And, um, yeah. And Peter had a, you got to tell the story about pater in the chili before the Sunday's round. Yeah, I know. Yeah, he's inside. Um, I think he's in the last group. I'm pretty sure before they're going to go play golf in Atlanta where it's 7 million degrees out out. Yeah, exactly.

I know. And, uh, so he's eating chili before his round and spills this stuff all over him and it's not good and he's going to be on TV and stuff. So Gary McCord lends him his pants, which are five inches too long and look like parachute pants or something. Well, McCord, you know, he's got some other vibe going in records just for the painters. More of a Docker guy. Wouldn't you say? Yeah, right.

Yes. Yeah, for sure. So, you know, I mean, when I'm playing record stamps on Saturday, but I promise you, Jay, you know, you know, Steve and his career and stuff like that. But, um, I promise you that, you know, as the week went on, I got more nervous, especially like, you know, Caddy's saying he'd be on TV and, and, um, Oh my God, another life around here. And I was like, you know, I didn't really care what they said, but I was, I couldn't believe the animosity, but, uh, so I got to tell you Sunday's round. And I've been that way my whole career on the range and the first tee, I'm nervous. And I settle into the round as it goes. And by four or five, six, I'm like, I, I'm just doing my job.

And I really, I'm never nervous. You've been in the playoffs, but I watched this kid coming down the stretch, never missed a golf shot and doing stuff. And I was like, this guy has made five cuts on the PGA tour and he's made five grand and he's jeopardy losing his card. In fact, he's not even close to making his card and he's playing like this.

And he basically had that tournament stolen from him, but he, he played unbelievable. We got to take a short break. Please stay with us. That's got to wrap up the on the on the range segment.

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I hope you enjoy it. What I think I think is so awesome for you to relate to people is that look players can be nervous caddies can be nervous and yeah as a player if you're nervous and you sent your caddy service cancel Christmas it's over it's no good it's you you can't go back to your corner so to speak where you're trying to figure out what you're going to do and have your teammate go I can't even read the numbers on my yardage book you guys are talking to talk about nerves but I always had the problem Al in my dreams the night before of losing Jay's golf bag did you ever have bad dreams before you can no no I can't no I never no I never it never personified itself like that I uh lucky I I was always I was always fine with the situation every day and as it felt especially with a chance to win the last few groups on Sunday I would like seeing me nervous hitting a shot at TPC number 17. Oh yeah now that's that's what real nerves look like yeah me me sitting in the doctor's office for 20 minutes waiting for him to come and that's that's me he's nervous I would get nervous but but I think Steve would attest to even early in the round if I had those nerves the first second third fourth hole until I settled in if he said do you like six or seven or do you like seven I'll do it this way because there's yes man caddies you like seven those guys that would say under the gun yes right then you can't be wrong the guy like seven like seven yes seven I was always filming like seven Al even under the gun on Sunday second hole I would say no I think it's five iron because I'm I always felt I was a sounding board to him to speak my mind and then we discuss you know what why are we so far apart or why are we only half a club out you know where's our target you know what I mean I'm a sounding board so and Steve always respect me he goes I don't need a yes man I want I'd rather you belong than not speak your mind and I think that's crucial so we have a uh bones makai on a week before you and one of the things I asked him and I can't wait to hear your response either what is and what does the caddy what is the best thing that a good caddy can do for a tour player and you know what does that sound like what does that look like and how do you do that okay um well because I worked for someone for so long you know I I've worked for a lot of players for an off week and stuff but I've worked for one guy so long so I've had the ability to learn him and he's learned me so my best thing I can do is pick a moment that I can say hey uh this temper is no good or like you know what I mean psychology wise I mean day in and day out I'm going to do the same job with my yardages and my club pulling but if you have the ability a player allows you to work from for more than a couple years and you develop that relationship when your caddy says something that's a little shocking to you under a certain situation he's going to be more inclined not even more he's going to be inclined to listen to it other than like some guy working for you for three weeks and you say something that is like to do with your temper or the moment you know what I mean yeah al that's exactly bone said the biggest thing that a caddy can do is to not be afraid to disagree right no otherwise if I I've always said because I think I had a veteran in my first year say it and it stuck and that is if you don't put your head on the chopping block you are not caddying nice it's interesting because a lot of folks think that a caddy's just saying a guy that walks along with the bag you know and he's he just kind of you know having conversation and oh look there's birds in the trees I mean now talk about how intense your your weeks are first from a physical standpoint you're doing a hell of a lot of walking but I can remember even the weeks where you weren't getting for pater or we weren't together in a practice ground you were out there doing the course ahead of time you're checking old books you're checking heads and what we mean by that folks is we've got these yardage books we've got all the heads in there and you've got a number sprinkler heads sorry and you've got all of this information that you've had out now that you're starting to work on tour and compiling this information and you're double checking it to make sure hey they didn't dig this up while we were gone and and put this right you know and move it and and now it's three yards off or something yep I I was always someone that my deal I mean I've even walked courses back in the day sometimes sometimes I walk you made your own yardage books four guys oh I remember one time pacing a supermarket they had one foot tiles and I've worked on a pace so that I I could walk 250 yards within a yard and I would walk golf course with three caddies and you do yardages and make your own book I've done that and but now with lasers and everything so the thing that I do nowadays and have for a bunch of years because of GPS and lasers is that I when I do practice rounds and programs or if I've had the ability to be at the same tournament five six seven eight years is that I use the landing area where my boss is going to be and I know that from practice around the stuff from years past or just from that particular week if it's brand new and when I use I check two or three or four sprinklers in his zone and I don't use anything but those sprinklers in the tournament because I won't take a chance that there's something else wrong if I haven't checked every sprinkler and I make sure like the back of the yardage um the yardage from the back of a trap is accurate and the front of the trap is accurate because when you get offline you can always use the traps so that's how I've always done it so you really you really have a feel for the golf course you've got as much feel for the golf course if not more in some in some manner than the player I wouldn't say more but as much I wouldn't say more I would say I would say as much I would definitely say that every good professional caddy has a knowledge of the game as well as the pro with the inability to play golf at that level but the the knowledge of what balls downwind into the wind um you know how shots you know uh I mean I think it I mean Steve paid a lot of me to grow as a professional caddy because I didn't know and he was learning to play as a professional so we grew together but um it took me a few years to figure out that you know this seven iron yardage off this downhill lie in the front of the green is a yardage eight iron hit off this downhill lie can fly on and the balls are gonna move forward you know what I mean that an eight iron off a downhill lie is like a seven iron so and uphill lies that hard eight iron is just going straight up in the air and come to pretty short so little nuances like that took me I mean I I think without a doubt the first three years I was on tour I never never stopped learning so I I'm looking and and I think it's I can I can attest to how you grew as a caddy and and um yeah it was really fun and you and I our personalities really mix well and I always enjoyed when you get me for me when you guys so you won your first event in 87 the southwest classic down in abilene just uh just a wind tunnel down there I mean just but what I want to talk about next in 1988 was a was a a great year you won two tournaments a a t for uh t3 at the country club up in brookline and just great stuff but I want to fast forward to 91 in the rider cup yes okay hey jay wait a second do you mind we should have talked a little bit just give or maybe al can a real brief steve payt was a stud heck absolute class rider cup etc give it just a little bit either one of you I don't care which one just a quick 10 second 20 second summary of what this guy accomplished you want to do it al uh you know it off the top of your head I mean you don't have to be exact al again this is the jay delsi golf with jay what he accomplished I mean uh he had one heck of a career half a dozen wins multiple team wins and two rider cups um he had chances to win multiple majors especially the masters that was the one that he could have and should have won um but uh I mean career money aside I don't know what it would translate into nowadays money but you can't almost can't even go there without talking about the money he had a heck of a career that's that's all I can say I don't know what else to say but if you've been on two rider cup teams you are a stud wait a minute so just so everybody knows I mean the top this was back then the top 10 players over a two-year period on a list that compiles points four-year finishes get on the team automatically on the team and and um and peter made two of those teams yeah so yeah for four or five years he was in many more years than that he was absolute top world class you can call me on top of that I want to say that he had six wins and he was open six in playoffs so wow I mean that's how he had an unbelievable career and you know he's in his top three multiple mates or so I mean and and the two rider cup teams there was one um in the mid 90s now before he made his first one so it must have been 89 he was like well on the team in may and he put so much pressure on himself to make the team he did not have a top 10 between may and august and after august all of a sudden we had three or four top tens by the end of the year he that's that's how much it has meant to him yeah and we talked about like hey you just got to play golf and the rider couple take care of itself and you made the next team right right yeah that's going to wrap up the front nine don't go away we have more of the Al Milan interview more fun stories um we've got to take a pause and listen to some folks that help support the show here this is Golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN. 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great guy he is a fun guy he is i i gotta tell this story i gotta tell the story because you guys are at the dicks um is it the dicks championship sporting goods championship yep in um endicott new york one of my favorite stops on tour i think i still have a course record over there that's why i'm bringing it up so i can kind of shake myself a little bit i can't remember 62 i don't know anyway here pater we're we're meeting for um uh i don't know sandwich or something he goes hey jay and and al tell me this doesn't sound just like your boss he'd go hey jay you're gonna like this or you're gonna you think this is funny and i'm like what's up peter and he'll go oh you know i i uh finished my round my morning round yesterday hit some balls i i got a little workout in or maybe not and uh and then i had a little lunch and i headed back to um the family that i'm staying with you know so i get in the house open the door go in the fridge grab a beer take my shoes off and i sit down on the couch i turn the tv on and all of a sudden this guy who i don't even recognize from the back room comes in and goes can i help you yeah and steve's like you're not george and and he goes george lives next door peter has gone into a home he has no idea who it is he doesn't recognize that this is not the place he's been staying at for the last week it goes in helps himself to a beard takes his shoes off it's like oh sorry that is that is a true story yes yeah true story that is is actually uh the guy that he enjoyed the guy he stayed with is larry who happens to be the uncle of my ex-fiance which is the house that i'm in right now and that's i never another show that's that's right now your man could stay privately everywhere he and i would much rather sleep in my car than do that you know i just can't get my hands on that anyway that's for a different show too al so let's talk about the rider cup in 91 first because that's the first team that peter made your first experience with the rider car was it 91 it was in um it was kiwi and peter got hurt in the car accident the limo accident just ridiculous you can't make this stuff up but al tell us a little bit take us inside the room and stuff like that who was the driving force amongst those personalities because man you're talking about massive egos give us the names who was we're talking about uh gal kavakia was in there you know uh in the in the rooms itself people caddies aren't allowed in the plan of meeting so i couldn't tell you about that but as far as you know they always talk about europe and team camaraderie and they all hang out together travel and we have drinks and dinner together every night and they're all buddies and and americans you know they try and put this team together and sort of form bonds just for that week and and um i i never on the two teams i was on i never saw that these guys it meant everything to them they came together but i will tell you one thing about 91 um although although awesome 99 was my favorite just because of the environment and my captain but uh 91 steve payt would have been a household name after kela gave stockton the captain was going to use him every match because i i don't everyone he was playing better than everybody else al he was playing so well anybody in the world in the practice round guys are shooting 76 and 7 since it's balling so hard hard call course and he was shooting in the 60s stockton was going to use him every match he would have become a household name that week and uh it didn't materialize because limo wreck but um you know that happens i guess you know it was a bummer but yeah it would have what the other bummer jay is that uh he said if i have one person to draw this weekend singles at sevi i want to play sevi on sunday i want to beat him and we drew him but he couldn't play oh my gosh that's a sick thing to me sick thing to me that's brutal i can remember al this is nothing like your story but i can remember the sevi stories and and just what a game so so sevi was this gamesmanship sort of guy folks he would cough in your backswing he would step in your line all these things that we just didn't deny everything just like act surprised and all this stuff and i can remember drawing sevi at the westchester classic and playing with him the first two days and i got to tell you for me it was like i just want to kick this guy's ass i want to i mean he didn't even know who i was i'm sure but i was like dude you have you know you have put this on a lot of my friends and a lot of golf and i i just and i can remember al we of course this is you know i'm it's a it's a battle of one i've got it's like me and nobody even knows you know what i'm thinking and stuff but i can remember just i i just i drove him on every hole and and and and just stuffed irons in there and i played really well and he was and i just well you know what jake i know you were never short in your day but it's not hard to out drive sevi at westchester because if you did anywhere down the middle your ball rolls quite a ways and he's in the rough in the left or right tree he was mostly in the left trees wasn't it yeah yeah man you're you're so you're so right i mean you're you're so right but um yeah what was the next rider cup so the next runner cup al you were talking about wasn't it 99 99 brookline fen cranshaw captain unbelievable ugliest shirts ever in the history of the game you know what if they didn't pan out well on tv in like in live up close i thought they were awesome okay whatever for whatever reason yeah they didn't uh materialize it you know it didn't turn out too good on tv this is where ben crunch also just so he's just so he says before the final round i've got a feeling yeah i looked right in the camera and said we were getting our asses handed to us how many points were we down on the l like five four four down four down and and we're just back ever yep and then again but at the time it was the largest comeback in history yep i was there working for nbc for the record i did not caddy that week yeah but i didn't get to watch these guys play and it was absolutely spectacular and you talking about a sporting event where people were just going absolutely banana crackers it was unbelievable it was a football stadium on a golf course it was the most sunday was one of my well both all the great things i've done and some money i've made and stuff like that have been great but both holes both the rider cups in in my career if you can call my caddy in the corner but um hell yeah hell yeah it was a career al and i would ask you you got any of that money left no you're good i got a restaurant i might want to take a picture to put the insurance company in berberton ohio yeah we got to get a plug in for that i know that that means a lot to you and susan's been by your side for for all these years and hats off to that i think it's an awesome career i think it's it's special it's special the way that it started i think it's so cool that you got with him you've been a big part of of history with uh with steve to be able to be in the rider cups i don't know jay you've kind of asked the question a little bit but but al how would you explain why the rider cup is so special well first of all once in a blue moon back in the day we had the mixed team we had the chrysler you know jay delson used to be a stupid partner there we played you know i was apologizing al i spent a lot of time apologizing to my amateur partners for my partner do you remember that yeah there's never a huge you know there's been two main team events that i've worked around the world and uh but there's never been a multiplayer team event representing your country and i'm canadian but i promise you um i'm american when i'm well i've lived here since 1985 and um um i still hold a canadian passport but i'm american so uh but i promise you that that week being part of a team that meant so much more collectively than golf you know what i mean it was about your country it's been all this other stuff and uh just uh it's all players that have you know both teams all players that i've known on tour talked to on tour maybe had drinks a couple beers with on tour or dinner some guys i never saw socially but that week caddies and players that collectively became a team with a captain and uh then trench out to this day when i see him i call him captain my captain but both rider cups are special but i promise 99 to me is it's the feather in my cap for all the different i mean i don't know how many terms i've worked 800 but uh 99 rider cup and 91 rider cup or even though it wasn't about money they were the most special to me and still are you know what al and so let's just as a cool segue and i talked to bones about this i want to get your take on this too because sure you had something bones always had something special with phil you could tell i knew you know folks steve's not a household name like you said damn good player just a great golfer just you know completely underrated and under the radar because pater's got such a low-key disposition but you guys had a team mentality back before we did that i said to bones he had the same thing but you preceded bones by by several years and now we're starting to see this where guys are talking about their teams and i feel like you you had that does that ring true to you does that make any sense it does i i uh i would go to war for steve um as a caddy i would if i thought a fan was being unruly or a picture has been taken a long time i would do anything and he he knew all he had to do is let go out he he my job was to be the bad guy but he didn't he normally didn't have to ask me because i would do anything for steve kate and on top of that i always felt he's my boss first but i felt that after that we were friends i mean i watched his daughters grow up i've watched them since they're born and you know one's married now and um i uh i just you know here it is 2019 and i went to work my first bag may of 85 and uh this guy's upstairs right now he's in the same house as me and i'm caddy i know i know i know al it's just it's just so fantastic i just it also speaks to the sort of for we've we've talked a lot about you know golf here but what i'm going to talk about now is the sort of human being that you are you hear in your voice how much you care you're talking about his children nicole and sarah you know sherry you know you know you how many times did you get sent to go pick them up at the airport so he could hit a few balls how many times did you you know that's that's sort of the stuff that is way out it's that's what i'm going out here that's it's way outside the normal lines especially back when we played out right you know yeah no it it was and but at the same time you know steve p he's always been there for me too so but i mean but i can't stress this enough i think the only reason we stay together this long even though i love the guy off the golf course like once i leave that golf course he's just a man he's not my boss anymore and i'll go tell him to whatever and um i think you're out of line or you know uh but off the course it's mono a mono or friends and then friends behave certain ways and you know how that goes but first and foremost the french up only comes after he's my boss first and i think that's the only reason we've lasted this long is some you know some guys bring out their college roommate great friends they've known each other since they were 12 in that last six months because the guys think you know they don't separate a boss and friendship it's also different now yeah of course and it's also different when you're under the gun you know this sort of pressure that you're under trying to play professional golf and pull these things off to either make cuts or to win win championships it's not easy in it no you know i mean i've said things to pro i'm like look dude i'm sorry i and he's he's not even fazed by it and i and i know you know you've had that happen to you too where sometimes you kind of go but it speaks to both your character i mean that's a big deal yeah yeah yeah yeah hey al man we could talk to you and do like 15 shows this is just fantastic i i had like seven other things that i wanted to cover we didn't cover them but it's uh it's just terrific and i so appreciate you you are the same person today that you were when i met you and you still have that same joy of life that same energy and i love that about you and i so appreciate that you came on the show take your time off and i hope that you guys go out i don't want you to break 62 but i hope you shoot a bunch of 63s now okay hey j right back at you all right uh and prunely uh you guys have known you guys for a long time it was a pleasure to have to come on the show and to be invited and uh i uh i have some fond memories of working for you and fonder memories of you being my friend and that will always continue right on buddy thanks so much you got it wow that was a great interview with alman that's going to wrap up the back nine stay with us so john and i are going to talk a little bit about that interview we're all going to be with us so john and i are going to talk a little bit about that interview we're also going to talk about the um the tour championship and what's going on this week on tour this is golf with j delsing on 101 espn urban chestnut brewing company is proud to be an official sponsor of 101 espn's newest show golf with our friend j delsing just like j urban chestnut is born right here in st louis with three local brewing and restaurant locations you won't travel far to sample straight from the source if you're heading out to the links this weekend or if you're just in the mood for a classic german-style beer grab a four-pack of our fresh refreshing swickle bavarian lager wherever craft beers are sold urban chestnut brewing company st louis missouri prost golf 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shout out mike duffy's official 19th hole sponsor we had a great event uh just a couple days ago absolutely glad we did it now there's a promo folks anybody that goes to mike duffy's and mentions my name usually that'll get you run right out of the restaurant if you're at mike duffy's it'll get you a free order of toasted ravioli i like that mention the show go perfect with a beer and a burger tell them how much you like pearly and how he's got a face for radio get anything for that no you get nothing and like it no so um good stuff how about that interview with al malan first of all al such a good guy we've known him so for so long i know you're way closer but i've gotten to know him a long time the fact that he's a canadian makes sense in a lot of his stories kind of love that whole part of al exactly and he is a special guy if for no other reason did he carry for our good buddy steve pate for all of these years the human volcano so let me tell you so we meet i meet al in a practice run at atlanta and so we play together and i see him he's always got a ball cap on you know and the next week this guy comes up to me young face and and i kind of recognize i kind of don't know how to bald as a cue ball and i'm like i don't know you hell i don't know you he goes jay tell milana kenny for steve now i'm like you're bald he goes that's a good way to start your friendship pretty much no it was uh uh fantastic in them just those stories i love the story about pater you know going to the wrong house at the bc open that's class you know uh only only our man pater and and as we wouldn't do anyway but steve pate has so many fun stories from the college days we'll get into more and more of that that can oh he'll be on the show we'll have to have him on the show and it'll just be one hour of paid isms and we'll talk about college we may need to make four or five shows we could maybe we should get a run off the air too we should air those like on our uh howard stern uh yeah the howard stern radio all right pearl let's talk about um the tour championship eastlake ball hitters venue great golf course um and this new format that's what i'm gonna ask you are you digging this new format i was gonna ask you are you up on it enough to explain it to the listeners i'm up on it enough as anybody can be i mean it's our first year let's do this first okay justin thomas just shot 25 under par at medina number three unbelievable what unbelievable it's like pearl it's like standing up in bush stadium and hit a home run that goes into the mississippi river it's hitting the ball that far i can't even i can't even grasp that at all it's absolutely spectacular play we've played it a long time ago they had rider cup there they've had great events there all that all that stuff and he just blew it away but there's a guy that has some real pent up i want to get going again he got hurt he was kind of off the uh top of the leaderboard for a little bit there you can see his frustration because he wasn't scoring right boy did he break out in a big way big way and patrick can't play i mean how you you you give patrick can't play 2200 part the beginning of the weekend you're going to get you're going to get ticked by three yeah come on but there's another guy can't lay talk about playing solid talk about just playing and there's a guy that was out for a couple years that's right injuries issues different things going on oh the life issue the life experience he had down in long beach is just ridiculous we'll talk about that next week because we're gonna we're gonna dive into the president's cup and he is right in the middle he's he's on the president's cup team but this uh tour championship so the way that it goes is the number one uh person on the fedex cup list after last week ed madina starts the tournament minus 10 10 under par starting the tournament minus 10 and then it just graduates down from there patrick can't lay was second he started minus eight brooks kepka was third he started minus six and then it went down until um basically uh they started graduating it a little more but i mean pearl more than half the field about two-thirds of the field is it starts at uh two under one under or even par so we're already eight back well you know i get a kick out of this because when they change the ball when they change the game on the tour guys i tease you about it all the time these guys don't like they don't like change in general what do you think about this and and then we should talk a little bit about what rory thought about this because he was he was pretty he was animated animated he was animated animate whatever yeah you know what first there's a couple things i think about shut up you're playing for 15 mil come on yeah just shut up and play yeah and go kiss somebody from fedex or shake their hand or say look if you want me to play barefoot i'm gonna do it you know that's my first thought i i i get it it's unusual but i think it's a fine line pearl for us to honor our traditions but let's have some fun let's mix this up a little bit you know we see it all the time when we go to to country clubs and things like that where it's like are you having fun i mean you know people want to listen to music while they play golf there's just things that we need to get over and i feel like look this is what the sponsor wants this is what the tour deems we're doing do it yeah let's go for it let's go for it otherwise otherwise every week's kind of the same i don't remember quite how it started in uh in colorado when you guys played there and they had that kind of funky system and then through the years stableford system but it just it what it did is they they have each day was like its own little tournament and the players just revolted and it's too bad yeah it was too bad because otherwise it keeps going over time back to a regular tour event i think the idea was let's try something different let's stick with it for a while okay guess what if you don't like it don't play for the 15 million right go do something else that week count your money and while you're staying home let me ask you this so um if you play all this year long for this playoff system and these fedex cup points and then you don't have some sort of graduated advantage for the people that lead that list for what's the point of the rest of the year yeah i know it's odd but isn't part of the other thing too normally there was like two tournaments within a tournament you could win that tournament weekend and then you could win the whole overall point thing now i thought this really wasn't a special separate win oh no there's more there's there's there's well i don't think it was ever a special win but there's still still two competitions going on here so there's money these guys are playing not only for fedex cup money that's bonus they're still playing for a boatload because coca-cola and the southern company are the titles this way right so they're playing for 12 million bucks 30 guys last place money pearl take a wager and folks i know i won't get this exactly right but i'm gonna be close which is the only thing we promise you never do we'll be semi-close last place money 850 000 oh man i watched the i was up all night watching golf channel it's like 385 or something like that for 30 apparently i fell asleep but i mean think about what we're talking about yeah that 30th place 400 grand plus how fun is it just about what i mean my entire career yeah short field like that to where you're not waiting in line all the time you're moving around hopefully pretty good that's another subject if they play slow out there this weekend they're going to get hung out there they're going to get drowned in the nearest lake yeah there's no there's no doubt so there's um it's it's just kind of a cool way for us to end the season we've talked about this on so many shows we'll probably talk about it for as long as people listen but you know the wraparound season it's just kind of odd yeah all the stuff is just kind of odd but they're doing this because they don't want uh j monahan does not want to go up against the nfl and college football and so they want the the this to be meaningful fedex cup is a massive you know partner sponsor and um i like it it's a good bridge then we've got uh president's cup coming up absolutely the next year we have rider cup so i i i personally like this chunk the way they've done it i think it's i think it's interesting relative to the tradition i think it's fine we are we have our majors we have all that kind of stuff this is something a little bit different it mixes things up and for me the fun part is these guys are out of their element because it's not the same thing all the time it messes with their heads a little bit i like to see how they respond when they get their heads miss just a little bit and i think we're going to get to see the finality of that to see how it comes oh yeah most definitely so it's it's on and it's uh hey look just like you said don't play yeah don't like it oh i don't really like this format then just stay home yeah you know because their comments that makes sense but i hope the pga sticks to their guns right i mean just because you're a really good golfer doesn't mean you should be the guy trying to organize all these and you know that's been the thing that we've had on tour all the time if you win a tournament all of a sudden you get really really smart yeah you know and everybody wants to hear your opinion and yikes just yikes you think everybody wants to hear you they don't really want to hear right right right so um so it'll be fun to see what happens you know pearl this show is over nice a great uh interview with al malan uh the beginning of caddy tales the beginning of another episode caddy tales is something that you and i have kicked around another idea along with the whack and chase that uh we'll be back for sure so um pearly thanks so much for being with me meet thanks for uh i don't know how you do it dude keeping it i know you got a lasso around pearly's neck right now that nobody can see that but thanks for um working this for us and keeping the show together and that's going to wrap up the golf with j delsing show hit them straight st louis that was golf with j delsing brought to you by whitmore country club tune in next sunday for more from j john and the other pros and experts from the golf world in the meantime you can find all of j shows at 101 espn.com as well as at j delsing golf.com anticipation is building the holidays are just around the corner and at the home depot we can't wait with black friday savings all through november you can count down to christmas early with a santa countdown inflatable special buy only 69.98 or anticipate when friends and family come to visit with an entrance full of led lights that will welcome them and the holidays with open arms get the holiday magic 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