Golf With Jay Delsing - - Mark Long Continues Caddy Tales

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It's the game that connects the pros and the average Joes brought to you by Whitmore Country Club. Golf with Jay Delsing is now on 101 ESPN. Good morning, this is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay Delsing, and with me is my friend, longtime caddie, John Perlis. Perli, good morning. Good morning, Jay. Ready to roll. Well, we formatted the show just like around the golf. The first segment is called the On the Range segment, and the On the Range segment is brought to you by Golf Discount.

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Very good. Twitter. All right. We're going to do this as like a little remedial social media thing. That's all I got. That's all I got. That's Jay Delsing.

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Obviously, we're not live. We just found out the picks for the President's Cup, so we are going to dedicate the rest of this show to the President's Cup, and we are going to have an episode of Whackin' Jason here. We got a really, really cool interview with Mark Long. Fantastic interview. A 25-year caddy on the PGA Tour, 13-time winner, and just a really good, fun person to talk about. All right, so let's just get into this. We brought this stuff up earlier, Jon. Tiger Woods, the biggest thing that you and I were talking about while we were having dinner and watching was he going to pick himself, and I said yes months ago, and I was actually right on something for a change.

You've been pretty consistent. I was kind of back and forth, because is he healthy and that kind of stuff. I think when he wins that event in Japan, it would be awfully tough to not pick himself at that point.

That's what I'm looking at. Well, yeah, there's so much that goes on with that, but I mean, he wins. So you're talking about the tournament that he wins.

He wins his 82nd Tour event, which ties the all-time mark that Sam Seed set, which is almost, Pearl, the equivalent of the Cal Ripken-Ty Cobb consecutive game sort of deal. This is unattainable. Right. I was going to say, did anybody ever think this was going to happen?

No. I mean, the fact that Jack Nicklaus set all those records and held so many records and everything and didn't sniff 82. Jack had a ton, don't get me wrong, but no one ever thought that.

But no one knew somebody named Tiger Woods was going to come along and have this. From the very beginning, Jon, when I saw him play, it was so apparent that he was just crazy different. And he always had his eyes set on the record books, not just winning a tournament, but just blowing up every record that he could. Well, it's just the longevity of that. There's just so many things that can get in the way, as we've seen. He's had all kinds of things get in the way. Otherwise, he'd probably have 100 by now, and he would have blown away or at least be well into breaking the majors records as well. And speaking of screwing things up, like I just did, and you may or may not have noticed, but I said the consecutive game streak in MLB was Ty Cobb, and it was Lou Gehrig.

My dad's rolling over or rolling under, looking at me and throwing something at me. Hey, hey, hey. It's the Golf of Jay Nelson show. It was close, and I knew who you were talking about. He was the player that had that, right.

But yeah, 82 wins. He got that over in Japan. Really kind of out of the blue for me, because he played the week prior, and that was a Nine Bridges event, I think, in Korea.

And it was very, very mediocre. He looked almost disinterested, I will say. And that's one thing that he doesn't look very often. He's one of those guys that can grind it out, you know. Your buddy Brandel was talking about that and just kind of how he even looked lethargic.

You know, I think, I don't know, I think Brandel was suggesting who knows what it could have been, you know, relative to his recovery, that kind of stuff. But what I think Tiger's searching for a little bit is what is his posture out there? What is his level of intensity? How is he going to carry himself? Because it's different, because he's got a different game.

I watched some of the different skins games they had and part of that tournament. It's different out there. He's not hitting it the furthest of everybody. Multiple times he's kind of half laying it back. He sees the value, he's always known the value of hitting the fairway, but he's fine with just keeping it back there a little bit, keep hitting the fairway, playing a different game.

I loved what Billy Cratchit was talking about. He's kind of like that pitcher that doesn't have the 99 mile an hour fastball anymore, but is still wildly effective for the last several years of his career because he learned how to move the ball around. He's a pitcher, not a thrower. There's no question. That speaks well, and the guy knows the game. It's not like he doesn't know how to do that, but I think it's a challenge with, I've got to believe, ego. There's a hundred things that are part of that, but obviously Tiger's already taken it. But to your point about, we didn't see it coming. I didn't see the Masters win necessarily coming.

Then nothing looks like it's going to happen. He doesn't even make the end of the year events, and then he pops up and wins this darn thing. What's going to be fun is starting to try to get a feel of what's the next one he's going to win. He's got to have, it's got to be like, he doesn't even play pebble anymore, does he? No. It's got to be one of those early ones that are fun or wouldn't be special if it was a major.

Kind of a combination of the Masters. I don't think you're going to see him play a lot of cool weather events. You know how pebble can get dicey with the weather. I don't think he should. We've talked about that. Okay, so we've got to talk about the other picks. Yep, let's talk about them. We've got Tony Finau, Gary Woodland, and Patrick Reed. We went over the list and over the list. Isn't there four?

Clearly, well, Tiger is the fourth. Clearly, how are you doing tonight? You good?

I'm doing fine. You said the picks that I just wanted you to reiterate what the four picks were. Okay, right on.

Thanks for helping me. What, I think Patrick Reed's clearly the lightning rod pick in there, and let's talk about him in a second, but Tony Finau, Gary Woodland, I mean. I am such a Finau fan. I remember Finau, once upon a time.

I'm carrying for you a Brown Deer in Wisconsin, back in the GMO days. They don't have that tournament anymore. There were several holes out there. A par 5, a par 4, the 9th hole.

Places where, historically, people might get real aggressive, but nobody sniffed going for certain things and hitting it over creeks and over lakes. I remember Tony, I'm pretty sure he was still an amateur at that time. He's pulling out Driver and blowing it over these creeks and knocking it on these par 4s that literally nobody has ever even tried.

They were 370 with 330 to 340 yards of carry. I know specifically the hole you're talking about. So this guy went from that to really honing his game, plus he just seems like a good guy. Just a solid family guy out there doing his thing.

Same thing. It almost sounds like you're also describing Gary Woodland. Gary Woodland's one of our favorites. The thing that he did with Amy out at the 16th is still going to go down as one of the great guy things to do. Amy, oh my gosh, I'm going to mispronounce her name, but it's like Bowersock. She is a Down syndrome person.

He brings her out of the crowd, plays the whole weather. She makes a par during the practice round, and then she's also the first Down syndrome person to receive an athletic scholarship. She got a golf scholarship at, I think it's a Canyon College or something out there. So Gary Woodland, and obviously Gary won the US Open at Pebble Beach this year. Patrick Reed now, on the other hand. I think number 15 in the world, so he was certainly in the running, but who got passed up to grab Patrick Reed? Ricky Fowler. Biggest name that got passed up.

I think that's wild. I like Patrick Reed for sure. I loved what earlier in the season Kepka said about Patrick Reed. He says, I want him on my team.

I'll take him as my partner. They want that cold-blooded sniper mentality. They don't care about the mamsy-pamsy, he said this, he said that the wrong way. He doesn't have the right disposition. He has the right disposition as far as Tigers are concerned. I think this is going to be interesting to see what, if any, effect this has on Ricky Fowler, and if it might spur him on a little bit.

I mean, he's dropped to 21 in the world, if that's a drop. That's a long way to go down to grab somebody. We're also Ricky fans, for sure. I'm a huge Ricky fan.

But that's a long way to go down to grab a guy. He also hasn't played, he got married, he hasn't played since then. Wait a second, he got married? What are you insinuating?

Just because he's what? I was just stating a factual thing that he got married and hasn't played since he got married. So the wrap-around season is going on. You got to get to play now that he's married?

What the heck's going on? I don't know, you have to call him. I think she's going to let him play. I hope so. He's a good player.

I'd hate to not see him play anymore. Yeah. I don't think I'm insinuating anything. I think you got that.

But the thing that Patrick Reed brings to the table is a clear-cut edge, there's no doubt about it. He took a beating over what happened in the Ryder Cup. Do you think he'll learn anything from that? Do you think he'll change from that? No. Yeah, well, exactly. No, and I think I mean, this is a good beating, but I'm not sure it's going to change him. No, and I don't think it's a popular...

It might take a little edge off. It's not a popularity contest, right? This is not what, you know, look at Tiger. You know, Tiger's endured the biggest karma sandwich in the world with the craziness that he's brought on himself over the years. And the greatest thing about our country and just about golf, just about people in general is people love to give somebody a second chance and love to, you know, embrace him. I was down at Augusta when Tiger won and on Sunday, it was ridiculous.

The energy, the positive vibe that he brought and the people that he brought out. So, you know, we didn't even talk. We'll talk on our next segment about Ernie's picks. We've got to talk about Koepka that might not even be playing in this thing. Right, so he had a knee surgery. It's just a meniscus though, right? I know, but they're just making a note that it's not for sure that he's even going to play. And hey, this guy went through a major injury with his wrist, thought it could have even been career ending. My guess is he's not going to mess around with this thing.

If he's not ready, I got to believe he's not going to go. I agree with you. We've also got to talk on how lopsided this is supposed to be relative to talent.

Right, we sure will. So I'm going to ask you before we go to break, who is the only other captain that played in the President's Cup? I don't know. It's a quiz question. He's from St. Louis. Hale Irwin.

There you go. Way to go, Pearl. Hale Irwin. Well, I figured it's either you or Hale, so I threw Hale out there.

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Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay.

John is here with me and we're headed to the front nine, Perley. All right, so the President's Cup. This show is about the President's Cup. Let's talk about Ernie Els, Trevor Immelman, his assistant. They had some interesting picks, Pearl.

They do. And I think I'm checking out reading that every one of their picks is ranked higher, or would I say lower. Everybody on the U.S. team has a lower world ranking than anybody on the other team. A better world ranking.

A better world ranking. And you kind of look at that and think, how is this even going to be a competition? Well, let's talk about that. I mean, you know, we're not that factually based here at the Golf with Jay Delsing show. That's for sure.

Because that's how we are. But I mean, the U.S., this is pretty simple. When the U.S. leads this, this thing has gone on, they played it 12 times. The U.S. is 10-1-1. Yeah.

I mean, what else do you need to know? It's been an ass kicking. It really has been. And I enjoy the event.

I watch the event. But I don't like when they compare it to the Ryder Cup. It's almost unfair. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's why I wish they just wouldn't. It's a different deal.

It's trying to gain steam. And I think the history of the Ryder Cup is, in the early years, the Euros never sniffed winning any of those either. Pearl, you've got to remember, and folks, remember this when you're watching the Ryder Cup. The U.S. played Great Britain and Ireland for years and years and years and just wiped them off the course. And it wasn't until the late 70s that the Euros became the Euros. They included all of Europe. So that meant Bernard Langer got to play, Seve Ballesteros, Jose Maria Olatabile got to play. And now you're even seeing the Scandinavian countries participate.

And now it's on. I mean, it's an absolute coin flip every single year for the Ryder Cup. At best. It is. But that's not the case here at the President's Cup. Right.

All right. So Ernie's picks. Jason Day was a no brainer. He was ninth out of eight. Eight were automatically selected. And he's a no brainer. Ozzie had to be on the team. Yeah. And it has been playing well. Yeah.

And is liked and all those good things. Sure. OK. So Adam Hedwig. Adam Hedwig.

Yep. I like him. I like him too. Good player.

Canadian. Really good player. Love the fact that, you know, our friends up north love the game of golf. They are golf crazy.

And for them to have kind of a dog in the fight, so to speak, I think it's fantastic. Great demeanor. It seems like I don't know him. Never met him. Yeah. I know you have.

I walked with him out of Chinnacock. Yeah. Really good. Just what you'd expect from a Canadian. Just down to earth. Solid. Real solid.

Real real good guy. OK. The next two picks are both rookies. And they're both 21. One of them turned 21 today. Wow. We've got Sunjai Im who's been playing well. Really well. 21 year old.

Yep. And we've got Joaquin Niemann who's been playing great. Who won his first event this past year. He's from Chile. The first professional golfer from Chile to win a tournament on the PGA Tour. The first to play in the President's Cup.

Obviously the first of all. Phenomenal amateur player for so many years. Again, that's when people say, oh he just kind of came on the scene. Well, he came on the pro scene. This guy's been world class amateur player.

Traveling all over for many many years. It's not a surprise that he's having a lot of success. Maybe a little surprise that he's on something as prestigious as his cup team at this stage. But not surprising that he's world class.

Alright, Pearl. This is going to round out the international squad. Hideki Matsuyama. Stud.

Yes. Adam Scott's going to be great for him to play at his home country. He's such a great player. Louis Oosthuizen.

As solid as they come, right? Mark Leishman. Kind of a guy that flies under the radar.

Makes about 2, 3, 4 million dollars every year on tour. Nobody even hears about him. And he can play big time. He can play for sure.

Abraham Anser. I like him. He is a little guy. And he's a fighter. And he believes in himself.

And he just kind of watched through the last couple years as he kind of got closer and closer. And good for him being on the team. I like that guy.

Now here's a guy that I love. Haoteng Li. He's had, you know, the first guy from China to make it on the team.

He's fantastic. Cameron Smith. Another Aussie is on there. CT Pan.

Interesting now. So you get CT Pan on here with Sunjay M. And I think that makes a difference to have another person from your country to be on there. Especially at a young 21-year-old. I think that can make a big difference for both players, Pearl. You were talking about that earlier. Just how hard it is if they're having a different language, different culture, etc. My argument going back to that was they're already used to world traveling and doing those things. But your point is, yeah, but all the other guys they travel with and their posses aren't really with them in this situation. So I see where you're coming from there. That it's a bit different challenge. Yeah, a lot to juggle on that international squad.

Different foods, different languages, different things like that. Well, you know what? That's going to wrap up the front 9 segment because we've got this great interview with Mark Long that we're going to play half here and half in the back 9. Just further kind of getting caddietales going.

Yeah, this is fun to listen to. This is our caddietales. So this is Golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN. Mark, we've been knowing each other for 25 years.

You've caddied on tour for that length of time and you racked up 12 plus wins and you now have a company called Tour Sherfa where you make the world's best yardage books for the players. Man, thanks for joining me today. Thanks for having me on. It's good to talk to you again. It's been too long.

It has been too long. Well, I have the show and man, you're just the perfect guy that I love to interview because if I can help people get a glimpse of what happens inside the ropes and I know that a lot of the stories that we have we can't tell but you can share some of the ones that we can tell today. I think they just feel like it's fascinating, man. I've got a cool little thought. Why don't we pretend that we're coming up to our golf ball. I'm caddying for you and we'll go back and forth like we're doing the shot and see if anyone has any idea what we're talking about. That sounds perfect. What hole should we pretend we're on?

Okay, let's go. We want a hole with a hill and some wind so let's go pebble. Third shot pebble number 14 with the front left pin. Oh man, and Mark, I just want to say if you can caddie me onto the green, my third shot there, you'll be like one out of 300 caddies. If you can help me out, that is such a hard third shot. That's perfect.

That's absolutely perfect. Hardest third shot in golf with no water hazard, isn't it? I know. It's just impossible. Okay, here we go. We're walking up to the ball. Okay, cool. Hey Mark, there's a head right over here.

Yeah, okay. So just so that the our listeners know, we're coming up to a sprinkler head and I'm going to make up all these numbers by the way, but we're coming up to a sprinkler head that says 90. Let's say it says 97 on the sprinkler itself. So everybody's played in kind of golf and you come to a heads of 97.

So first thing is, that means nothing to us as caddies or players. It's probably 97 to the middle. It may be, it may not be, but it's a reference number. Now we're going to look in the book. In the book, I'm going to go to the front of the green. And on this particular hole location, it's over the front left.

So there's more of a carry over the left. And that carry, let's say it's about let's say it's about five to make the map easy. Yeah. So Mark, what I would, what we would have done ahead of time, just so the folks know, is that we would have like a system where we would go, I'd stand next to the ball and I'd be looking at the shot and you'd be getting all your numbers.

Right. And then you'd say to me, we've got, I don't know, let's make up a number. We've got 80 to the front and I'll say to you, okay. And the flag sticks on 14. So we've got 94 all the way up and you're going to say, yeah. And then I'm going to say, Mark, what's our cover? What do we have to cover that left side of the green?

Right. So, so we're going to say, we figured out that we're a, we're 90 front. We're one 14 hole. Uh, we got five, we got five to five to cover the left and there's 12 behind it. Uh, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's, so it's one 14 hole, it's one 16 adjusted and you got some hurts. So I think it's playing about one 20 with that hurt.

So that's what I would tell you. Yeah. And what I meant when I said adjusted, so we adjust the yardage for upper downhill, whether it's an upper downhill shot. So a lot of players like to hear the actual yardage and then the adjusted yardage as well, because they might, you might, you might actually not play the same adjustment during the day, right? When it gets warmer or colder or whatever, or no question, depending on how that got right.

Yeah. The ball goes so much further as, as it warms up. And so what, what, the way that I like to have it done is that we'd give the front number, then we give the actual number and then I do the cover and then we start doing the adjustment. So we got the uphill, like you said, that's the adjusted. And then we go, well, how much are we going to have to add in for wind? Exactly. So just to make it, I like to liken it to listening to an NFL quarterback shouting a play at the line of scrimmage.

Cause it can start sounding like that. Like I might tell you, uh, your 32 front 48, 48, uh, whole, uh, five to cover an eight behind it. There's a slope about four left of it adjusted.

It's 44 and it's a little cool. And on, on it's the, it's the same number. We just hit the seven on our number four earlier today. I might just do that. And if, if, if anybody was listening and could follow along with it, welcome to the PGA tour.

You're good to go and good luck to a minute. Basically what I would be, what I would be doing is I would say then to you is that I'm good at, I'm going to try, I am going to hit 118 yard shot and you're going to go perfect. And then we might reference something that happened earlier in the day or earlier in the week, even right. Or even last year, you know, we were keeping notes in the book, right? So if you open up a tour caddies book, very likely you're going to see the entire top page just filled with all kinds of notes. Like I used to write down, uh, we'd write down the yardage to the, to the hole and then I'd write down, um, what the wind was doing, how hard it was blowing.

It was exceptionally cold or not. Uh, how far the ball flew, what club my player hit, how far the ball landed and how far it ended up running out to, uh, cause you always want to know how far the ball flew of course. And then if the green was firm, it ran out. So all those notes from each day, we play the whole Tuesday, Monday, Wednesday, all every single time. So after a while, the book gets pretty filled up with notes, but as you know, it's a great reference to fall back on. And the whole goal is there's two goals here, right? We want to, we want to hit the right club, but we want to make you as confident as possible that you're absolutely doing the right thing. If I can do that on every, every shot, if you feel like you're so certain, this is the right thing to do. I mean, you're going to hit it better, aren't you?

Yeah, there's no, no question. I mean, so that's the first portion of our interview caddy tails with Mark long. That's going to wrap up the front nine. Don't go anywhere. We got there.

We're going to continue with that interview with a lot more on golf with Jay delsing on one Oh one ESPN. Welcome to the segment. I call the leading edge. I got my friend and a great chef here.

Pepe from Pino's Italian soul food, man. Thanks again for joining me. Thanks Jay. Hey, so we're talking in this segment about, you know, as golfers, we're always looking for that edge. We're always looking to try to distinguish ourselves and no business is more competitive than a restaurant business.

Tell us how you do it. Well, I think there's just like golf, there's a few moving parts and then the restaurant business, there is a lot of moving parts and I just try to go in and be a little focused on really, it's almost a team. So kind of a conductor of the team, if you will, and try to put those pieces together and you know, sometimes it's a little off and sometimes it's pretty, pretty sharp. So tell me about Italian soul food, man.

That name just makes you want to come in. Yeah. So we're from Calabria, which is the southern most tip of Italy. It's the poorest region in Italy. So when we look at our flavor profiles, they're pretty similar to southern American soul food.

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Whatever they bring us locally, those are what we put into our dishes. And we we pretty consciously source our food. That's what I love about it. So and you're all about the experience for the customer and the food. I mean, it's not about you, you know, sometimes these chefs are like, look at me look at those days are gone.

Right? I mean, I think it's, you know, that being a chef has become a little celebrity with social media. But I think that at the end of the day, for us, it is a little play within inside our four walls. So we're a pretty character driven restaurant. So we kind of run it like a play.

There's the pre production, there's the production, and there's the post and you know, we just we stay focused to the clientele having their situation instead of us having our situation. I love that because when we were in there, pep, you made me something and I said, What? How'd you make this? You're like, you know, it's kind of a one of a kind thing. We threw this bread, this fresh baked bread together, and there's some sauce and like, it's just fantastic.

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All right. After 25 years on the PGA Tour, Jay Delsing takes you behind the scenes from the eyes of a pro. Now back to more golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN.

Welcome back. This is golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host Jay. I got Pearly with me, John Perlis. And before we go anywhere, we got to do a Whitmore spot. Yeah, I typically talk about the 90 holes of golf and all the things that go on but I got a little different spot right now. Just went out last Sunday and got my ass handed. Big man to talk about my butt kicked by my buddy bummer. We did a little nine hole exhibition and bummer put a little three under on the board.

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There were golf carts out there. We had a young guy that we pulled in that bummer's been coaching Ian that goes to CBC. He played with you guys. Yeah, he played hit a couple. We brought him in. He had a couple of shots for us.

He had his driver, you know, like, you would, like 330 down the middle. All I'm calling for is rematch. Rematch. That's your home course.

No, one of their other courses. That's what I told, I said bummer, we're going to have to have some sort of neutral site. Who caddied for you? I didn't have a caddy.

Ah, so that could have been the reason. Yeah, maybe we'll go back. I'm ready. Anyway, Whitmore has been a phenomenal, phenomenal title sponsor for us this year. We so appreciate them. It was great to go out to the club.

It's great to see some some familiar faces that I really hadn't seen in a while. It wasn't great to get my butt kicked, but it but I pretty much deserve it. I mean, I knew if I didn't shoot under par, I was going to lose. And I did.

I lost and I didn't shoot under par. So you're right again, Jim. I love being right. Right. But anyway, thanks to Whitmore.

Let's go back and finish up this caddy tales. The second part of the caddy tales interview with Mark Long, the biggest enemy for a tour player is indecision. There's no question about that in my mind, at least it was for me. And I think what you're doing and what we're talking about just takes almost all that out of the equation.

It helps, that's for sure. You're always, you know, the wind, the wind is, I consider there's two conditions that make scores high one are firm, but number one is firm greens in my opinion, the firmer the greens, the higher the scores, period. But obviously wind is a big deal because it's inconsistent and you have to kind of get lucky. You know, you could you could hit the same shot 15 seconds apart and have a make a double on one and a and a birdie on the other.

If you're unlucky on the wind, you're kind of at the mercy. Right. But like you said, I remember Bobby Clampett told me one time, he said, I'd rather hit the wrong club all day thinking I'm dead right. And the right club and not being sure. Oh, yeah, there's no question.

I mean, and you know how it is one of the things Mark, talk about this a little bit. There's probably for tour players, there's probably three clubs for every shot. Yeah, and then let's go to bubble walk.

And whether it's about 14 clubs for a shot. Yeah, exactly. No question. No question.

Yeah. And then I'll give you an interesting one. And I'm sure you have everybody's got their tendencies. And when I carried for Fred Funk, one of the things Fred would do if we were hitting a short club, a wedge or a nine iron, maybe an eight iron, if he eased up on the shot, and he made his mistake on his ease up, he did a pull hook, and he'd hit it as he did it almost farther than he could with a full shot. And so that was just something I always would keep in the back of my mind. Well, if we had a hole with a kind of a left to right green, like where if you like 12 of the gustos a left to right green, if you if you're a right hander, and you pull a hook, if it goes a lot longer, and if you come out of it, it goes a lot shorter. That's why that holds harder for a right hander than a left hander.

I mean, that sounds weird when you say that, but it actually is right. So it you always have to keep that in mind when you're trying to figure out what your players going to do is what you know, what's his tendency here? If we have our bad miss, you know, do we take that risk?

Do we not? So you can I think it's pretty obvious that it's easy to start overthinking this, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, that's one of the things Yeah, one of the things that I always did was get my with my guys is get it set up ahead of time. Here's what I want. Like, I'm not one of those people that wants a ton of information.

I want what I want. And I don't want more, you know, like I don't if but what's what really good caddies like yourself do is you have a boatload of it sitting there if I need it. I always thought that was the ideal thing to the way to do it is if your caddy, if your caddy was a technical guy who had everything waiting there if you wanted it, but was very simple in what he told you, or what you wanted. I thought I thought that the look I never liked my players to look at a greens book when I was catting.

I wanted to look at the greens book and then tell them have had them say what's the book set? Because I don't I think you're better off walking out on a green just using your eyes and your feel as a player. And then I can kind of throw in something to confirm what you've seen.

Or if I see something really different than we can, then we can maybe discuss it. But I always felt like it's just two different mindsets caddying and playing you're, you're much more feel. I think when you play and you're much more technical when you can. There may be exceptions, you know, you may think maybe Nick Faldo or Bernhard Langer, or certainly Bryson DeChambeau are exceptions.

But I think most guys like you said, I think most guys are really so much better off just trying to simplify everything, right? Yeah, Mark, we kind of put the horse in front of the cart here. Tell everybody who you caddy for tell I know you caddy for years and years with Fred funk. I know you've had lots of success on the tour.

Let's give a little background there first. So I played golf at the University of Maryland. Fred was my golf coach and he qualified for the tour. I actually caddy for him at Q school.

And he qualified for the tour when he's 32 years old. So I worked part time for him his first two years in 1989 and 1990 because it beat getting a real job. I just graduated from college and hey, how good is this?

I'll go travel around. And so then I went full time with Nolan Henke, kind of by mistake, their default in 1991. I just wanted to go out and work some West Coast tournament, and then maybe go to grad school or something like that. But I so Fred wanted a full time caddy. And I said, there's no way I'm going to caddy full time.

I'm not going to do this very much longer. So of course, I did it for the next 10 years for Nolan Henke. And we had a we had a lot of had a lot of success. He won one three times and he, he made the tour championship about half the time and it was a heck of a player.

Let the US open here and there. Yeah, it played well the Masters. Couple times it was it was lots of fun. Then I went back to Fred in 2002. And I caddied for the for the next seven years on the PGA tour for Fred. So from that he was aged 42 to 49 or 50.

He just played great on the Tory one, at least three times on the tour that stretch. And then we went to the champions toward I did that for about, I think another three or four or five years, something like that, four more years. And he won a few out, you know, one quite a bit out there. And so that that was it was Nolan Henke and Fred funk. And we had lots of lots of fun and lots of wins and just great, great guys to work for.

It was phenomenal. Okay, the most unusual thing or the weirdest thing you ever had one of those guys say to you, as you're coming down the stretch trying to win an event, or just try to make a cut even because I've told people before, and I'm trying to not take up too much of my time on this air and let you do more than talking but I, I tell people it is way harder coming in on a Friday trying to make a cut than trying to win a tournament on Sunday because your game is good. When you're trying to win an event and when you're trying to make a cut, you just don't know what you can rely on.

Well, I've got the weirdest one that's easy. My first masters with Nolan Henke 1991 were on Friday, he hits in the left bunker on 18. And he probably has to make part of make the cut. And as you know, that's no easy shot back in 1991. It's not a nine iron like it is now it was about a five or six iron over a lip uphill. And so it's hot, it's must be in the low 90s.

And we've got those thick, white coveralls. And I'm, I've been you know, it's a hilly course. And anyway, I've been I'm sitting there and I'm grinding on the shot.

I'm trying to think can we get a five iron over the lip or six iron? What are we going to do? And Nolan stands right looks at me just plain as day. You remember Nolan, he's the most he could relax a cup of coffee.

That guy's so relaxed. Yes. And he says, he says, it's his first masters.

He's trying to make the cut, right. So I'm you really want to be there on the weekend. And so he says, What do you think? And I said, I think you can get a six iron over that lip and on the green. I think it's a six. And he goes, You know what I think?

I said what? He says, I don't think you smell too good right now. He pulls the six iron out and knocks it on the green.

And I don't even remember if he made par birdie, but he made the cut. But that was so that that had to be the weirdest comment. I think I've heard coming down the stretch on a Friday. What do you think? I think you don't smell too good. That's good. That's a great interview. We'll come back and we'll talk about that just a little bit.

I'm so excited about caddietales going forward. What a great guy to kick it off. And I think you're going to be working with Mark going forward. Yeah.

And we had Al Milan on remember, we had Al Milan to kind of help boost some of the because he was a little older than Mark Long. So yeah, well, that's gonna wrap up. That's gonna do it for the back nine. Uh, this is golf with Jay Delsing on one on one ESPN. Come back for the 19th hole. Quick note. We just got a call from our friend Joe Sheezer at USA Mortgage.

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Perfect. I got to talk about the Dean team automotive group. Just bought a car for Joe. My youngest four daughters is now 16 and I went and bought her a used Volkswagen and had an amazing experience. How is she liking the car? Oh, she is crazy for this car.

Brent and Colin were rockstars over there. We pulled up the car sitting there. She's like, Dad, is that my car? I mean, I go, well, I think that's a car. You know, we both got to drive it. They wound up saying to us, guys, just take this car home for the weekend.

Drive it around, give it a test, see what you think. It's awesome. Couldn't have been nicer. She'll probably shop there the rest of her life now. Well, I mean, they have a great start.

No, that's absolutely right. They have any kind of car you need. They've got over a thousand used vehicles. They've got new Volkswagen, Subarus, Hyundai, Genesis, Volvos. They got a golf cart division. I'm going to get the sun on one show and we're going to talk about this golf cart division because we kind of glaze over it a little bit. These customized golf carts are super, super special. So, you can go to DeanTeamGolfCarts.com to find out that. But if you're a car guy, you got to go to Dean Team Automotive Sports. This is where they got all the fancy, the Ferraris, the Bugattis, the Lamborghinis, the McLarens. Can we take one of those home for the weekend? Rolls Royces. I don't think they let you and I. I don't think they would. Good decision on their part. Pearl, we could put the value of your house and the value of my house together and it's not going to equal what a Porsche 918 Spyder they have in the lot list for 1.5 million.

Wow, nice stuff. Yeah, could we live in it? I think we could live in it.

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We've got a local caller this week. It's Keith. Hey, Keith. How are we doing? Good, man.

How are you doing? I'm all right out this way. Where is this way? Where are you from, Keith? Well, I live in Innsbruck, Midwest a little bit. We got some cold weather heading this way, Keith. That's not very good for our golf games, is it? No, sir.

No, it's not. I'm going to probably have to go somewhere. I want to go with you. Yeah, I'm going to go to Mexico, I think, pretty quick. I'd get there quick too.

I wouldn't hang around the border too much if I were you. No, we actually got something scheduled to go down in November. Awesome, awesome.

Get out of the weather a little bit for four or five days and then come back. Well, good, Keith. Are you familiar with Whack-N-Chase?

Yes, I am. I'm used to it quite often. Well, fantastic. Hey, keep listening, Keith. We appreciate you, man. Thank you.

For sure. Hey, we just want to start out with then what's the question you've got for J, and then while he's giving it some thought and calculating and putting all of his figure and deciphering together, I'll ask you a couple questions to give more information, and then he'll come up with a solution. So where do you need help in your golf game?

Okay, thanks. Well, I tend to find that if I try to go after it a little bit with my irons, that I tend to, I guess, go over the top and pull things left or hit it off the toe. Is there some kind of a thought or drill that I can do that'll keep me from pulling things left like that? I think that's what everybody, what causes, why am I coming over the top?

That's the only thing that I can figure out that I'm doing wrong. Let me ask you a question right off the top there then, no pun intended, but when you're pulling it to the left, is it a pull hook or is it a pull and a slice? No, it's a pull because if I could hit it as far straight as I pull it, I would be happy. I tend to, it seems like it's only when I try to swing a little bit too hard or go after it a little harder. Does it have a lot of curve, Keith? Is the ball curving? Well, if I can get it, if I take it straight back, no, normally not. Sometimes it's more like just a dead full straight shot. Perfect, that's what we do.

I found it, I got new irons this last year and that's helped quite a bit, but it tends, I guess I'm coming at a different angle than I should be. So I think I'm going to start aiming for right center or something like that. Well, we got to give Jason time to think this one through.

You put a real complex one in front of him. So you and I are going to go back in the time machine and try to figure out where this all started. So let's talk for the very first shot you've ever hit in your life. Where were you? How old were you and what did the shot look like? I'm talking the first time you ever hit a golf ball.

Oh my. Think back, think back now. When would that have been? About what age would you think that was when you hit your first golf shot? Oh, the first time I ever picked up a golf club ever, I was right, I was in high school. Okay.

All right. And there was a golf course in the little town that I grew up with that they built down in the bottoms in Ellsbury, Missouri. I grew up in Ellsbury. My dad was a realtor up there and they built it down the bottom, down the flood zone and they build a golf course.

There are people called Wipke and of course the flood of 73 got it and it never came back. The golf course itself. And that's the first place I ever played golf. And then we used to always travel to Warrenton once I finally started playing, but I, but I couldn't hit it very good.

You know what I mean? I could hit it a mile cause I played ball, but I never knew where it's going. So I'm kind of self-taught. I've had a couple of lessons in my life and I went to pros and I hit some irons or I'll hit some, you know, and I'll go, well, what, you know, what do you think I ought to do? And they're just like, play more. Most of them play.

Well, there's a lot, there's a lot to that for sure. So you remember about when you first played, not the first shot, when do you, when did the, the, the poll first come into the, to the game? Do you remember that? I think it, I think it's been since I got better at golf and then I, I, I, you know, you, you, you know, you'll, you'll be in, let's say you got a shot where you, you have to hit it five yards or 10 yards farther than normal, you know, then, then what did you normally hit that club? Well, do I want to be short spinning on the pin? Do I want to be shorter?

I don't want to be long. So I always kind of, I used to always like try to step on it and be, you know, take a shorter iron and try to hit it harder. And now I'm in my old age, I've kind of figured out that, you know, I could just take maybe an extra club and not, you know, not try to hit it so hard. That started to help.

It takes us a long time to get a little smarter, doesn't it? Just take that extra club and not swing so hard. So that's part of it. I know when I hear Jay talk about playing pro-ams all the time, that's one thing he always encouraged the folks to do is take that extra club.

So that gives him a little bit more information that he needed. What's your favorite professional on the tour? Who do you kind of try to model a little bit after or follow to kind of learn a little bit and wish you could hit more shots like your favorite player?

Who is that? My favorite golfer was Arnold Palmer. Okay, absolutely. Well, got to love the king, got to love the king and the king didn't hold back very often either. So that's kind of cool.

It's modeled after him as well. So one more, one more question here, and this is a little bit out there, but do you dream of golf? Do you dream about golf? You know, it's kind of funny. I don't know that I actually dream about playing golf, but I know that many a night as I'm in bed, getting ready to, you know, get, getting in bed and the lights are off and I close my eyes.

Wait a second, that's family show and I don't get too much detail. We just want to try to find out if you dream about golf or not. Hey, this might be my only shot. You know, but you know, when you're getting ready to go to bed, you're going to shut the lights off and you think about like, if you play golf that day, a lot of times I'll play the golf course again in my mind where I hit it. I love that. Things like that. Well, Jay and I are both into meditating a little bit and I like doing a daily review. I sure as heck don't do it on my golf game. It needs shot. I can tell you about that, but I try to think of the things I did right that day and the things I did wrong.

So I think that's okay. Whenever I can tell he's ready to answer, he just kind of starts vibrating over there a little bit. He's grabbing at the mic. He's fixing his headphones. He's straightening his hair. We're on the radio, but he's doing all that kind of stuff. So that tells me, Keith, that he is ready to solve your, your, your golf problem here. So hang on for the, for the answer.

Hey Keith, that was great stuff. So when, when your ball goes left, tell me, um, do you, do you take much of a divot when you, when you, um, when you hit your irons? No, I'm not, I'm not a big divot. You know, I don't normally take a big divot.

Uh, I'm more of a sweeper, I guess. When you, when you do, can you see, can you see, is that divot headed, headed left? And is it, is it wide, Keith? Is it kind of wide and curls to the left a little. Yeah.

Okay. And you know, it sounds to me like, um, I, I don't think you're coming over the top at all because if you were coming over the top, your divot would be left and it'd be considerably left. Does that make sense? So if you're, what's happening more than likely is you're, you're coming from the, the inside a little too much and your club is what we used to call flipping. So the, the, when, when you don't try to hit it hard, you've got a much longer area for your club to stay square, if that makes sense. And when you're trying to hit it hard, you're probably moving your body faster and you're going more on a really from too far in and then around on that ball.

And the club face has just a millisecond to be square. And so what I would, what I would recommend doing is if you want to try to hit something a little harder, focus more on your rhythm. Try to, try to feel like, especially the first foot or two of your backswing think smooth. Because one of the things I've noticed over all the years, and this is even something that I used to work on with you, Pearly, is that when I wanted to hit something hard, oftentimes Keith, I get so snatchy and I take this, this club away from the ball so quickly that I, my body position, my body was completely out of position because all I was thinking about was trying to go fast and the transition wouldn't be worth a darn either coming down.

But that's where I'm going with Keith. I'm a little ahead of you, sorry. No, that's good.

If you, everybody else is, you might as well be too. What I'm thinking though is, is that if you work on just that smooth rhythm and make the transition, I don't like people to think about it too much because it's, it's, ugh. No, you want to do the right thing to have the right transition. I'm with you.

You don't want to be thinking about the transition. And what I'm trying to get you to do, Keith, is to set up your throughswing with your backswing. So you do something positive like that on your backswing and it takes care of that, that thing, your downswing. Okay, great. Yeah.

Okay. Well, just tempo basically then. Yeah, it's tempo, but really focus on the first two feet away from the ball. That first two feet because if you go out and watch any, anybody that plays for a living on Sunday for, with the exception of maybe just a couple of players, but their rhythm is impeccable, especially going off the ball.

There's not, they're not fast going off the ball, Keith, because they want the speed down at the ball when they're hitting it, not going away from it. Does that make sense? Right. I'm, I'm, I'm gaining speed at the wrong spot. That's exactly, I'm guessing. And so that's just going to put you a little out of position.

What sort of handicap do you have? Well, you know, actual, no, I'm just kidding. It's around a 10. Yeah. So that's what I suspected just from listening to you play. So you're a good player and you've, you've shot good score. So you know how to, you know, you know what you're doing with, with the club and you know, as we sign off on whack and chase, Keith, it's, if this information that Pearly and I gave you helps you, we want you to email us and call the paper and tell everybody you know, and if you keep pulling that shot when you're trying to hit it hard, just tell them we never met.

Gotcha. Thanks a lot. I really appreciate the call. Thanks, Keith. Have a good day. Have a good night, guys.

Thanks very much. Wow, Pearl, that is going to do it for another. We got another show in the books. Pearly, you got notches in your belt. Absolutely. I got notches in my belt. I got gray hair and I got other stuff going on.

Yeah. I killed a lot of brain cells. Hey, thanks for being with me. Me. Thanks for running the board. Brad Barnes is our producer. Does a great job keeping us together over here.

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