Golf With Jay Delsing - Golden Tee Vice President Adam Kramer

Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing. On The Range is brought to you by Pro-Am Golf. Hey, good morning, St. Louis. This is golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay.

I've got Burley with me. Brad Barnes is pushing and moving the dials. Bro, what is he doing over there?

Pushing and moving the dials. He looks busy all the time, but do you think we really need him? Yes, I'm positive with you. I'm positive with you, too. Anyway, we formatted a show like Around the Golf and the first segment is called the On The Range segment and it's brought to you by Pro-Am Golf. Check us out on our social media outlets. Twitter is at Jay Delsing. Facebook is Golf with Jay Delsing and Jay Delsing Golf. LinkedIn is Jay Delsing. That's a lot of Jay Delsings that are probably me.

And Instagram is. Nobody cares. Alright, here's the show. I'm excited to talk about the match.

The match, too, just happened this past weekend. But I've got some interesting takeaways from it. We're going to maybe listen to a few excerpts that I thought were pretty funny.

There was a lot of good one-liners. Yeah, for absolutely the worst weather you could get, unless it had been lightning. That would have been worse. I can't imagine it being worse.

Four, five people on the golf course, all riding carts. Justin Thomas did a great job with it. He brought a lot to it. He really did. I loved when he said to Barkley, you couldn't get your fat ass up there to dunk right now. Anyway, Barkley said, you can't call me fat on TV.

That's bullying. I thought that was terrific. And we also have an interview with Adam Kramer. Adam is the VP of amusement for the iconic bar game Golden Tee. And Peter Jacobson was instrumental in putting that whole thing together. His picture came on there.

This game was started in 1989. And we were like, Jake, what in the hell? So I called Peter. He's going to come on the show.

We'll get an interview with him. And we just have a lot of different stuff to talk about golfs on its way back. But let's just jump into the match first. Okay, so Pearl, I want a different twist on this stuff. Very different. And I love it.

This has been talked to at Nausea Men. This is not what we want to bring to the show. Okay.

But we got to listen to a couple of these outtakes because they're really good. Chuck, I'd love to see your fat ass try to dunk with basketball right now. Hey, clear it.

Dive. JT, you can't call me fat on TV. That's bullying. I'm going to call HR on you. That's classic. If anybody's got a lot to be called on at HR, it would be Charles.

We don't need to go there today. Do you remember when he used to do the TNT stuff? Pearl, they backed off and he didn't have any shoes on. He had his nice suit on.

He was wearing shorts on the bottom part because he's behind the podium and didn't have any shoes on. I'm just talking about everything he did between games. Oh yeah. There's a whole lot of Charles. I lived in Phoenix at the time.

He played for Phoenix. And there's some epic Charles stories. It's great stuff. What about him going after Brady? Let's listen to this. Hey Tom, how many shots you want? Come on, man. I'm going to get you some shots, man.

I want some of you. Chuck, I've been focusing on football, bro. I'm trying to win a Super Bowl.

Dominate. I think you just made him mad, Chuck. Oh no, I love it though, man.

He can take a joke. Oh, get it to him! Oh my goodness! Oh, you made it! Chuck, take a second at it, Chuck. Hey man, I got that whole thing.

Chuck, shut your mouth, Chuck. Take a little of that medicine. Get your butt out of here. That isn't real. It cannot happen. It's way harder than a hole-in-one.

Way harder. Wait a second, wait a second. Here's a guy that did not hit a shot to stay on the golf course. I was just going to say, he has not found the clubface in an hour. He was dying out there.

I've been out there like that before when I can't find the clubface at all. You've got to keep playing, but just somehow. That was spectacular. It was such a pure shot. I don't know.

The whole batch was divine for golf to get us where we're going. Yeah, absolutely. You know what's interesting? I was thinking while I'm watching this, I'm out of the box and out of my mind. But I was thinking about some of the other quarterbacks that I played with that can really play.

Neither of those two are one of them. But I played with John Elway. I got to tell you the story about I got to play with John Elway.

I'm walking down on a Wednesday at Riviera. Great place. We got to play there in college.

It's one of my favorites. Mark Russell, one of the guys, he was actually refereeing the TaylorMade drive for relief. PGA Tour official.

PGA Tour official for 35, 40 years. He says to me, hey Jay, do you want to play in the Pro-Am? I said, sure. Hell yeah. This is my rookie year.

I'm like, hell yeah. I'll play in the Pro-Am. I'd love to. I said, when am I playing? He goes, now.

I'm like, I haven't hit any balls. I go, as you know, I had always let my caddies off on Wednesdays. You and I would go play somewhere else when I wasn't in the Pro-Am. So I go, Mark, I don't have a caddy. He goes, I'll have one up there for you.

I go, what do you want me to do? He goes, go to the first tee. So he drives me up to the first tee. That was back in the day, pro. Do you remember all those, especially Fred Couples, he would pull out of every other Pro-Am. My back hurt because he just did not like it. The guys hated playing in Pro-Am for good reason.

There's a lot of good reasons they hated it. It is, but I was not one of those guys. No, you were great.

You were unbelievable. I love these guys. So I am paired. So this is the L.A. Nissan Open. I'm paired with a guy named, I think his first name was Mike Thomas. He's the North American CEO of Nissan.

Two Japanese fellows that spoke very little English, but they were high officials with Nissan and John L. White. And I was like, I was blown away at the, you know, so I'm on the first tee, and everybody's expecting Fred Couples, and Jay Delsing walks in the first tee. I didn't know where you were going. That's brilliant. So you got to contest with that and the tee shot. Yeah, and the tee shot sucks.

I aim right and I'm like, if I hook it, great, a little bit, but if I don't, I'm in the trees, I don't care because OB, you look at it left and it goes OB. Oh, what a tough first win. Anyway, so I got to play with John Elway that day, and it was, we had a blast, and he can really play. He's a two.

He can really play. And this was back, you got to remember, this was what, 1985. This is what we're talking, you know, just a couple years ago. And Mark Rippon is also a hell of a player.

I remember that from when they would have those events. Yeah, there's some guys that could play. And Brady didn't look like he had much of anything, but Paydirt looked like he could at least get it around. Okay, so Pearl, I thought I had a massive head, and I do. Oh, he has a big head. His head is so big it makes the rest of him look really little.

Exactly. Oh my gosh, he needs to play golf with a helmet on. No, you couldn't get in the cart.

You wouldn't get in the cart if you had a helmet on. I loved some of the comments that he made, though. I thought it was just fantastic. And the last thing I want to say about this that has been kicked around way too much, Tigers jab at Phil when Phil wanted him to mark the ball from 120 yards out. And Tiger's like, I'm not doing it. And then he's like, I got even better for you, Phil. How about if I go, you want me to go mark it with one of my gold medals from the U.S. Open? So you know this, but a lot of our listeners may not. When you win the U.S. Open, you not only get the iconic trophy, you get a gold medal. I did not know that reference.

So that's for first place. And do you hear what Phil said? He goes, I got about six or seven of those silver ones if you want to use one of mine, which was a terrific comeback. But Phil kind of used the shotgun method. He talked a lot. A lot. Well good for him though, because the previous week with just the guys playing was pretty humdrum.

I appreciate that these guys put themselves out there a little bit. I fell for Brady because he had to think after about two swings. He's like, how fast can I get on a jet and just pretend this never happened? Bro, where do you think he buys his balls?

At Costco? I mean he had to run through a dozen balls on the front nine. If he had to keep his score, what does he shoot? On the front nine. He doesn't finish. What do you mean he doesn't keep his score? One forty.

One twenty. I mean some of those places, I know the medalist. Some of those places you're like, just reload. And he reloaded and hit the same shot.

He had nothing. And it's so interesting, I really appreciated the end of the event when they were all kind of standing there talking about it. And Phil said, it'd be no different than me getting blitzed trying to throw a pass. He says, I'm going to die.

Here you guys don't die. He needs to say that because that's how hard that is. And as you said, they throw the weather in on top of that. Playing in the rain, by the way, under pressure is beyond difficult. It was a nightmare. The only thing they were missing was probably a thirty mile an hour wind that you could get down there in South Florida. They had a little bit of that wandering around up in the trees. As the match was ending, the rain subsided and the wind kicked in. Well shoot, we didn't even get to some of these takes, so we'll cover those later in the show.

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Who would you get to be able to pull in as your partner and who would Bummer get? Oh man, my buddy Bernie, our buddy Bernie just fell off a ladder and broke a bone in his back. And our thoughts and prayers go out to him. He's in a brace for three months, no surgery. But he'll be fine then.

Yeah, but three months. Along with the coronavirus, oh man. Bernie, what are you doing on a ladder? Bernie's handy as all hell. Does he see those commercials that you're not supposed to go off on a ladder? I know, I was on a ladder that week too. That's not, that's definitely not, yeah of course with your flip flops.

Keep me stable. Wow. Stupid.

Don't even go there. Stupid. That's just dumb.

I'm stupid. Anyway, oh if we had celebrities, oh my gosh, Danny Mac loves golf, Brett Hull loves golf. Depending on the time of year, you know, could you get Randy Carriker? Man, Randy loves golf. Danny Mac is such a good golfer too. He's a low key good golfer. Yeah, he's one of those guys, he does play it off. He doesn't, he's not, you know, too chirpy and then you see him swinging. It's not exactly the most conventional, but he definitely knows how to play. Plus he's a good athlete. Yeah, oh yeah.

It's just that clean easy touch off the club, it's perfect. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know, but that would be fun.

You like putting that kind of stuff together, that might be kind of a fun deal. But I want to make sure that the bummer delsing rematch is happening inside of that. So there would be a drama inside of the drama. That's a lot of drama. That's a lot of drama. Alright, so let's go ahead to this Adam Kramer interview. This is a fun interview. Adam is the VP of the amusement division of Golden Tee.

So this game's been around since 1989. And man, it's hard to imagine if we ever do get to go back into a bar. Oh, we're going back into a bar. This is kind of like a bar right now. Anyway, let's go to that Adam Kramer interview. We could all use some amusement right now, Barrow.

Can you help us out? Yeah, no kidding. And I'm with you there. I'm lucky, I've got a game in my house.

And I've played this game for 15 years, and certainly now having one in the home, and that's something a lot of people are doing these days, it's great having a mobile device. So our core brand is bars, and it's hurt, right? It's hurt all of us. It's hurt the bars and locations as plays have closed. Now open, of course, but Golden Tee's diversified. So Golden Tee, we're trying to make it so it's not just you don't have to go down the street.

If you want to do that, please do. We encourage you to do it safely when you can and if you want to. But we're also trying to hit younger players on their devices and sell games into the home and do different things. Because like you said, we do feel strongly about the brand. Of course we do.

And we want as many people to play it in as many different forms as possible. Yeah, right on. So Adam, this is so cool because in 1989, Golden Tee was created. And Peter Jacobson is a good friend.

He hasn't been on the show yet, but he will be. And we saw him come out with his picture on this game and we were like, what? In 1989, Tiger didn't come out on the scene until 1996. And golf was okay. It didn't explode like it did with Tiger, but this game has been around and had some great success. And there's hardly anybody that loves a game of golf that doesn't have some sort of cool, fun story around a Golden Tee game in a bar somewhere.

It's a great way to put it. Peter Jacobson, by the way, is like one of the ultimate Golden Tee ambassadors. I saw him at the PGA merchandise show and he wants to come over and just talk about the history. And he's a part of that history, a big part of it, because he's been around the game since, you know, really not long after its inception. I mean, you're talking about 31 years of a game that really started. I'll do a little history lesson because I can't help myself.

I'm a geek when it comes to this stuff. You know, Golden Tee at its core was supposed to be a golf simulator. They wanted to make it so you'd actually swing the club. And they couldn't get it just right. So the plan of having the ball, the trackball, was kind of a backup plan. And they said, you know what, let's try and do it.

And goodness, I'd say it was like one of those things where you're sort of stumbling into success in the best way possible. And, you know, again, I love video games. I love golf. I love golf video games, obviously. I think the thing that's always separated Golden Tee is, you know, unlike, you know, console games where it's a joystick or something else, and there's been some great ones. The Tiger Woods series has been great.

All the other things have been great. But in Golden Tee, because you hit it, there is some feeling that you're like, you have a little bit more control of your results, both good and bad, than any other game you've ever played, any other game I've ever played, in any console or anything else. It is interactive, it feels good, and then the part of it that's great beyond the game itself, I think the spirit of golf, like when I play golf, and I'm a hack, but I love to play. I'm out there to drink some beer with my buddies, have a couple cigars, you know, escape for a little bit, no matter how good or bad I play, and usually it's not great. And I think the spirit of that kind of carries over to Golden Tee no matter how you play, right? It's after work, and this is all the pre-COVID era, Lord knows what it'll look like now, but we'll get back to it, where it's after work, it's on a Thursday at 4 o'clock, you go to your local B-dubs, you play a game or two of Golden Tee, you have a couple of beers, and maybe you do the thing the following week. There's just this camaraderie that we see within our community from serious players, not so serious players that I've always enjoyed.

It's what drew me into the product, to be quite honest. Yeah, and Adam, that's a cool history. Thirty, I mean, 31 years is ridiculous, and you know, video games don't typically stay around that long, and who would have known that, you know, what Larry and Jim created all those years ago is, you know, prior to this weird time run right now, still going strong. Yeah, it's remarkable. There's not many games, right?

Madden is right in that discussion, I'm sure there are a couple other games. You know, Jim Zielinski has designed every Golden Tee course ever created. He's still designed it still. In fact, I have a call with him here shortly to talk about his new courses, because I've started to play them, just to give him my thoughts on it, and you know, again, I geek out of this, that guy geeks out even more. Larry is very involved with the product. In fact, we have some things coming, some really exciting things that Larry is as involved with as ever, and has moved around through the various parts of incredible technologies, our company, et cetera. So Larry is entrenched in this.

That's really the cool thing. The people that started this, for the most part, are still working on it. Larry and Jim are at Golden Tee's core, and again, 31 years later, still doing it. Our ownership, Elaine Hodgson and Richard Ditton, who were programmers, and really involved in the trenches of creating our company, not just from a business standpoint, but from a creation standpoint, are still involved in this.

So I say this a lot, I think we give off the impression of being a lot bigger than we are. It's a testament to the games we've made, and Golden Tee is obviously the flagship of it. But yeah, I've worked at this company now for 12 years, and I still feel like I'm relatively new in some regard because of how involved people are. And look, at the same point of that, there's a reputation here, there's an expectation. We want to live up to that. In fact, we think we've got some ideas and concepts, some out now and some that will be out that are going to carry this product deep, deep into the future.

And it should. I'm visiting with Adam Kramer, he's the VP of the Amusement Division for the Golden Tee Golf video game, and we were talking about Larry Hodgson and Jim Zielinski that were the guys that kind of founded this thing. And man, one of the things that strikes me whenever I think it's hard for me not to smile, hard for me not to laugh when I think of the game, because there's a couple of bars that I happen to snuggle into from time and time again, and I can't tell you how many times there's some sort of ruckus with a crowd gathering around a Golden Tee game, you know, and it's almost like you're out playing on the golf course. People are giving each other grief, there's a wager or two that's been known to go on.

Love it. That is really at its core what Golden Tee is. And you're right, I think the way the game is marketed itself is by the people who play it. The greatest advertisement for Golden Tee is a group of people, spirited players playing the game of Golden Tee and other people watching them.

It's an interactive billboard. And so that has always been, that's how I got involved, right? I started playing in college and I saw the bartenders playing each other for a beer after work and I said, hey, can I join you guys?

I'm terrible. And they said, sure, but losers got to buy the beer. Well, okay. And I learned, right?

And I learned and all of a sudden maybe a couple of beers were being bought in my direction, right? Again, I love that part of it because it is a scene. And also, too, you watch people play. And there are people who play this, quote unquote, professionally, right? Much like real golf, everybody's got a different style. People who are hitting the cabinet with their hand, people are using their thumbs, people who are winding up, people who are moving so radically.

And we're talking about professional guys that hit the game and the ball so hard, it seems like shake the earth in which they stand on. So I've always appreciated that, too, is it's really a game about personality. You can dress your golfer in the game to match what personality you'd like to watch. You can dress like an astronaut. You can dress ridiculous.

You can dress serious. You can play the clubs you want. To me, as someone who's always been a hack in golf, to me it's always been like, okay, this is the golfer I'd like to be, right?

This is the person I'd like to be, and this is kind of the personality I'd like to have, and I'm able to do that in this game, and I'm able to keep track of my stats and play other people, right? So it really does highlight all the things that most of us can't do on a golf court. That's going to wrap up the Front 9, and stay with us. We've got just a little bit more from Adam Kramer, and then Perle and I are going to talk about that a little bit.

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He's the VP with Golden Tee, so let's jump in and listen to the last little bit of that interview. It always amazed me, Adam, when you pull up the screen and you look at some of the numbers and these guys' names that keep coming up. You're like, dude, how much time did you spend in this game? Did you ever think you'd have to make the track, the GT trackball out of some sort of rugged material?

Because like you said, you guys are pounding on that thing in bars now. I had a player somewhat recently send me a snapshot of kind of his stat screen, and he told me he just hit his 10,000th hole-in-one. 10,000th hole-in-one, right? It's remarkable.

I mean, when you think about just the amount of time and also the skill involved. The one thing our game has done well throughout, and now we're in a version, the game we sell to bars and the home is called our Showpiece Cabinet. It's basically the cabinet you know, but it hooks up to a flat screen TV.

And really, these things are tanks. I admire the way that these games have been built long before I started being involved in that kind of stuff to withstand just the atmosphere of the bars. In the home, it's a little bit different. We're not expecting you to eat a plate of chicken wings and then work over to your cabinet.

Or spill a pint of beer down the front of it. Yeah, yeah. 30 years is a long time of gathering data and information about how people are going to abuse these things or use these things, and you're right. So far, for the most part, the golden keys hold up exceptionally. It is amazing because there's games out there for decades that are still out there, still being played, and take a beating every other day or so. And it's remarkable to see.

Adam, there has to be something put on the next game version that you guys come out with. And I know you're creating new stuff all the time where you get some sort of association with a cocktail versus your handicap. So you know how everybody gets better. We all get better in our own mind. We're like, oh, after that second beer, you're like, yeah, I'm pretty good at this. And your friends look at you and go like, dude, you suck. My putting gets better. I get a little loose after maybe that second beer, right? The putting is good.

There is that perfect balance of intake and output in golden tea. And yeah, it's fun to talk about the future. The future in some of the instances is now. Our bar game, our home market is going crazy. And look, because of everything with COVID, of course, the demand for putting games in their home is really high. The demand for our mobile version of our game, which is not in any way meant to replicate what it is at the bar, to try to replicate that would be a mistake. This is a game that looks like golden tea.

The mechanics are somewhat similar when you talk about curving the ball. But this is its own game for people to play, whether they're on the road or they're sitting on their couch or whatnot. We released the images and we're working on the final details of a product called Golden Tea Go, which is basically a portable version of the bar game.

Take that classic cabinet, cut it into about a third with the control panel of the ball. It's golden tea you know and love, but now you can put it on a coffee table, which is really cool. And that will be out very, very soon. And again, some of the other stuff we're working on, one thing in particular, an announcement we'll make probably in the next two months, I think is going to blow golden tea fans away. I think it'll be really, really exciting.

I don't want to overstate it, but I can't help myself. So I think, again, the important thing is for us to really continue to push the limits, continue to grow our audience, continue to, hey, maybe get people back, people that played once that have maybe moved on to other games. Well, no, we want you to come back in and play.

We want to do that and we think we kind of have the fleet of different options to play to hopefully capture some of that. Adam, tell our folks, guys, this is Adam Kramer. He is the VP of the amusement division with the golden tea video game. Adam, tell everybody where we can find you and any other of those little teases. I love those little teases that you toss out there about things to come and how they can get some of these games for their homes or their businesses. Yeah, no, thank you. I appreciate that.

It's kind of funny. We're everywhere now, right? So our goldentea.com website is our home, but really I think the best spot for this is on social media.

We are on Twitter and Instagram. I'm doing videos and different walkthroughs on YouTube from my home where I'm streaming my games on YouTube, having a beer, answering questions. It's probably the most fun I still have where I can just get out there and play a game of golden tea. My golden tea game is better than my regular golf game, by the way, which is good.

People wouldn't want to watch me play real golf. So really, social media, you should follow us across the board. The thing that you mentioned that is interesting that we've seen the boom in is our home game, and that's home.goldentea.com. If you've ever been interested in putting the cabinet in your home, you should check it out and just see what it has to offer. It's the same game you see in the bar, and it's kind of an exciting thing, but really some of the announcements that we have coming up, you can find us on social.

If you want to download the game for your mobile device as well, goldentea.com slash apple and android. Check it out. Again, we don't want to present it as if you played this game in the bar for five years, 10 years, 20 years. It's going to be different.

Of course it is, but it can give you your golden tea fix, and we can all use that time to time. Well, Adam, I really appreciate you joining me, and when I get Peter Jacobson on the phone, he's one of the best storytellers I've ever met in my life. He can probably talk about a golden tea everything for over an hour, and I'll have to see how that goes. I actually just sent Peter Jacobson and his crew an email this morning in regards to some of the stuff we have coming, and you're right, Peter's such a better hilt. That's the guy you want to talk to because that man has lived it, but yeah, it's exciting and looking forward to connecting with him in the future too.

Okay, so Pearl, one of the reasons why I wanted to do this interview with someone from golden tea. First of all, the game has been around for 31 years, but our friend Peter Jacobson was instrumental in getting associated with this game. I can remember going into bars and watching people sit around this game, Pearl, and they're actually playing it like it's a match. Guys are betting and drinking and screaming and yelling, and the only thing they're not doing is throwing clubs because they don't have any there with them. We mentioned that in the interview where I said, I don't know how many times I've been into places and seen this happen, and it's fun.

I've been aware of it for forever. I only played it a couple times, and I don't know why, maybe because I like to think I played real golf. Plenty of guys played regular golf and played all the time, absolutely loved it. It's just one of those fun hangout games and tournaments and everything else. Yeah, I thought it was fun.

They're adapting a lot. He actually told me off the record that around July there's going to be an announcement from the company that they are over the moon excited about. He asked if he could come back on. I said, sure, we'll pop him on somewhere and see what that looks like. You see where the lineup is if you've got time for them. Yeah, we're pretty busy over here. A lot of bookings. We got a lot of bookings. We got some good stuff going. All right, so let's get back in.

I want to talk about the match too. Here's some of my takeaways from that. First of all, we've got to have in-round interviews. We've got to have those.

I think, look, they don't have to be, they're not going to be as lighthearted when the guys are playing with partners and things like that. But I think it just adds a lot to it. And there's time, John.

There's nothing but time, right? I know this because I've been out there. You get a guy walking off the tee on a par-5.

He's got 350 yards to do his tee shot. Don't they do it once in a while, though? Isn't there little interviews once in a while? Where am I seeing that, remembering that from a European tour? Maybe it's a little bit more familiar. And Graham McDowell got penalized for it or warned because he gave an interview to Sky TV and our buddy Rich Beam.

And they said, you took too long. You know, that's cuckoo. But I just think, so John, going back to the early 90s, we had this put in front of us all the time. The other thing is players and caddies might. Well, you see the other sports.

It's the same way. They're trying to interview the hockey coaches during the game or right before the period or right towards the end. Same with the managers in MLB. Trying to get the football players miked up.

There's normally one player on each side miked up each time. You need a button. Yeah, of course. But most of those have been pretty lame. So I appreciate that they're pressing for it. And I think they need to.

We don't need to, especially with what this country just went through. We want to take our sports seriously, for sure. But we don't need to be serious all the time. And we can kind of cut up and lighten up a little bit. So I'm with you. I can see that there's a lot of it, but there's so much protection and the agents protecting the different players and the wives protecting the golfers.

Who knows? Well, and my last thing that I think is so awesome is this thing called either drone racing. I think this is cool.

Yeah, it is. So folks, check this out. They've got these drones and they've gotten good enough at tracing these golf balls. And so the ball is hit and this drone takes off with this ball. And you're watching this thing fly through the air over trees, over water.

Is it going to carry? Is it not? And then it gets on the green, hits the green, and it focuses right down on top of the flagstick pearl.

And we talked about this before we got on the show. The golf ball goes up to a point and then it really almost falls straight down, especially with the irons. The driver might be a tiny bit different because it can be hit a little lower at times. It still drops though. I mean, when the energy is gone, the energy is gone. It doesn't have this soft far side of a slope coming in the flight.

It just drops out. But I hit a snap hook about two days ago with it. No drone can follow. So it'd be kind of funny too when they got these drones, just like the tracer. Oh yeah, the tracer looks like somebody had a seizure with a tracer. Or didn't pick it up. Or Tom Brady.

Well, he didn't pick up. All you need to do is have the tracer head straight off to the right of the screen and you can see it. But this technology is going to be integrated. And it's just a matter of how. The other thing, John, that I think is interesting is that you've got Tiger Woods standing over a 12-foot putt. There is going to be a time where on the screen is going to be, boom, this is what Tigers make right from not only this week, from the entire year. And then you're also going to have, and this is going to take a lot of work, but I think it'll happen. And then you have the average tour player.

Or the top five or ten. And you have this stuff all dialed in at the beginning of each day. Because when we're doing our prep and stuff, when we're going through rounds of golf and getting ready for a particular round, and they're going to say, Delsing, you've got Dustin Johnson and so-and-so, Julie Inkster, you're going over here. And so we're all up about their stats.

So if we're looking at their three-putt percentage from outside of 30 feet, all that stuff we try to get. A lot of potential with technology to really change things up. A lot of potential.

Well, and here's the other thing, Jon. A lot has to do with gambling. A lot has to do with gambling. They pumped DraftKings up a lot during the match. Well, it was on. Everybody's looking.

You've got to remember the casinos are down and everything is down. So FanDuel and DraftKings are the leaders in that sport and they are targeting golf because of the slow nature. Where they're going to be able to build these little mini things where situations where you're going to go, if he hits the green here, you know, you get one or two and if he misses it, it's four to one. I want to see heart rates. I want to see how many times you blink. I want to see some bodily function results as well.

Yeah, put it all on there. It would be interesting. Somebody did a heart rate one years and years ago and somebody was just racing. We've talked about this. Oh yeah, how cool he is under pressure.

Okay, maybe, but his heart's still beating through his chest. That's what I want to see about it so people get off of that whole thing. I know that's an odd take away from that match. No, but that's the Jay Delson, golf with Jay Delson. The other thing is, Chad, this thing has been kicked, dragged down the road and, you know.

Nobody talked about this stuff though. No, so that's what we're talking about and you know what, that's going to wrap up the back nine, so stay with us. We've got a big celebrity coming in for the Whack and Chase today.

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Welcome back. It's Golf with Jay Delsing. Pearly is with me and we are on the 19th hole. Pearly, you got a cold one? I got a cold one alright.

Grab a cold one and the 19th hole is brought to you by Sniper Brand Golf Meat. Finally got him. Look at that hat. Finally got him. I got golf balls, I got a golf hat. Oh yeah, that's it.

I don't have a hat and I don't have any golf balls. And you asked me about how I like the logo. What do I care about the logo? How does it look on Meat? It looks great on Meat.

It's on my logo. Yeah, exactly. And Meat's dragging that thing around the ESPN Studios. I like the flat bill he's got going, the flat bill. You got to make sure all those boys on the fast lane are knowing about that hat. It's got the mesh on the back. Yeah.

In case you've got a little larger head, you get to adjust that a little bit. How many golf balls did you get, Meat? A dozen.

Double check. There might be like nine in there. He may have taken his sleeve out. Did he swap some? Well, you know, maybe. Well, some are slightly used.

I cut some with the lawn mower. Anyway, you got to check out that new golf ball. It's great. It's cheap.

I just got some numbers from our friends at Golf Tech and they were hitting some tee shots with us and that ball for distance is as good as a pro view. I'll never know. No, you won't. And we're going to keep that going, Meat, because this is kind of fun.

Pearly's out and you're in. Hey, one other thing I want to talk about. We're talking about odd events and things like that. I know you mentioned starting up again in a couple weeks.

What about Kisner taking on the three or four other guys on a best ball? Did you even hear about that? I did.

Phenomenal. What was the result? I listened to it a little bit when they were updating. I did not see the end result, but I did tune into something on social media where it was not filtered, so to speak, and it was awesome. It was really awesome. There was a lot of Southern going on over there and you could imagine they were slinging.

Well, you know, we all say there's a lot of things going to come from this virus time with this country and hopefully an awful lot of good things. When you get 5.8 million people tuning into that other match and then things like Kisner pulled off, there's going to be a lot of other shots at trying to make this happen. Well, here's another thing that did get mentioned a lot, John, but we didn't mention it. Between the match to $20 million for charity, that's incredible. And the TaylorMade driving relief was $4 million. So in two weekends, we got six professional golfers and two celebrity quarterbacks raised $24 million.

That's awesome. You know, the tour is starting up. I've been following it closely. It is a massive undertaking, but they're taking it on. They're taking it on. We're getting some word at some of the other sports, and the NHL is making some consideration for some sort of modified playoff system with 24 teams.

And the NBA is in conversations with Disney World down in Orlando to play in their complex, in their sport complex. And who's dragon? What sports dragon, which is pretty disappointing?

Baseball. Really disappointing. Embarrassing, in my opinion.

Embarrassing. Well, no major sports ever had more work stoppages than the MLB. They're fighting over money at a time when they shouldn't be fighting over money, and I'll tell you what, I hope it costs them big time. Unfortunately, these stoppages don't cost leagues and players big time, but I hope it does.

Or, more importantly, I hope they get it figured out and go play. That's wrong. We've got to go to Whackin' Chase, and our big celebrity is... Meat. Meat. If that's one of the best nicknames you've heard, then we need to reassess some things here. Well, we like it because we like the story behind it, which we will get to in a minute.

That's right. So, Meat, tell us what is the question that you've got for Jay about your golf game. Well, we've only got 15 minutes or so. I know.

We've got to narrow it down to one. And then I've got some challenges for you while Jay is formulating his answer. What do you need help on? So, I started playing golf about two years ago. I got my crappy set of clubs, I learned kind of the basics, and I upgraded last year. But I am constantly changing my game as I go. So I'll get out to the course, I'll be a couple holes in, I get kind of feeling my groove, and I... I guess I get away from what I learned before. I get away from what I know I should be doing because something feels right that day.

So I change everything, and there's no consistency at all. Okay, I can see Jay is perplexed with that one. We're going to need to give him a little bit of time, so we're going to do a couple things. I wanted to get you warmed up here a little bit, Meat. So I've got four or five questions for you. This is kind of a rapid-fire deal.

And I'm looking for one, two-word answers. Tell me when you're ready to go. I'm ready. How long have you played? Two years. How often do you play?

Once a week, once every two weeks. What one word describes your game? Puzzling.

Is that fair? Who taught you the game? Ooh, I just kind of learned it on my own. I started playing, I played with many characters. Short answers, Meat, short answers.

On my own. Why do you play? It's relaxing and fun. Relaxing, good for you. Great job on those answers. So let's get to the next thing.

I can see Jay's starting to kind of come together, he's relaxing, I think he's kind of got the answer for you, but we've got to get into it a little bit. How in the heck did you ever come up with the name Meat? So unfortunately, this wonderful name, it was given to me by somebody else. My first day on the Fastlane, Brad Thompson told me, hey, there's way too many Brad's in this office, so you can't be named Brad. So they took a picture of me, put it out on Twitter, and I'm kind of a hefty guy for those that haven't seen me, and I was even more hefty at the time, and immediately, maybe our first response, a listener said Meat. And five years later, it's stuck, it's evolved like meat snacks, I've even been called Meat Sack, which I'm fighting against, but here we are, here we are. Well thank you for that, and I can see that Mr. Delsing is ready to get you squared away for your game, maybe for the rest of your life. Here we go. Oh boy, no pressure at all. Hey, first of all, why couldn't Brad Thompson, just because he played in the big leagues and has a World Series ring, why the hell didn't he? He's a big shot, yeah. He was there first, so make the new guy change, embarrass the new guy.

That's not right. So first of all, the fact that you're playing the game is great, I know you like it, because off the air, we talk about it, and when you guys were down in spring training, you guys got out in the afternoon and played. And so, that's the first thing. But tell me a little more about what happened to you when, what do you mean by you start changing things? So like, are you talking about a swing thought, or are you talking about something you know that, or you feel it works that you just abandoned? Or you move from Bud to Miller, which kind of change are you looking at?

That's usually the case. So I haven't played long enough to know my game, really, and know that my 7-iron gives me this, or my 8-iron gives me this. I don't have enough consistency for that. So when I get out on the course, a lot of times if I notice I'm slicing real bad, I'll try to move the ball depending on how I think I can overcorrect it. Or I'll change the way I drop my shoulder, whatever it is. I feel something, I'm like, ah, that doesn't feel right. So I change it midway instead of just sticking to what I should be doing and what I've been taught, and kind of just hoping that it pays off eventually. Yeah, so I guess the question is why, and don't even answer that why question, because we all do that.

I mean, it's a hard game. I think the thing that I would suggest is to stick with something. You know, like one of the things we talked about a couple weeks ago was I was messing around and moving your shoulder at setup. And when you felt like you dropped your right shoulder at setup, you stopped slicing. And that's 100% real fix.

100% real fix. So one of the things that really does happen while we're playing, Jon, you can relate to this as well. You have to be able to kind of self-correct while you're out there. It's a real thing. But if you go into a grab bag of 500 things, you're screwed.

So I would go to one thing, maybe two things. Softening every part of your forearms and hands and grip is the best thing you can universally tell anybody, regardless of whether they're a good player or a beginner. Softening your wrists. Softening, because what happens inevitably is things start going haywire. We start squeezing the crap out of that grip.

And as soon as that happens, nothing's going to work out well. I mean, when my dad was playing baseball and he was going well, he used to say the bat almost just flowed in his hands. And he said when it was going poorly, he said he felt like he was squeezing it so he could turn it into sawdust. And I said, damn, Dad, I wish you'd have known I would have told you.

And he's like, it makes so much sense. But that would be one thing that I would say to go to. The other thing is we've got to form a basic fundamental plan for you. Ball position, you mentioned earlier. Crucial.

Crucial. There's a low spot where the club wants to go. Every single club wants to go. We've got to get the ball there. So if your low spot is in the middle of your stance and you've got the ball in the front of your stance, you've got a problem. I used to have the ball about three inches in front of my lead foot.

And we've seen that a lot. And so now you're reaching for the thing and everything is either going to be a slice or it's going to be hard to hit the ball solidly. So a real great rule of thumb is middle iron, start with your six and seven iron, start dead smack in the middle of your stance. When the club gets longer and the shaft gets longer, move it incrementally, say a half an inch farther forward. So your five iron and your four iron, and I hope you don't even have a three iron, but your three iron and your driver get moved up towards your left foot, your right-handed golfer. And your seven iron, your eight iron, and your wedges get moved ever so slightly back towards your right foot. And don't vary off that ever.

Okay. So you mentioned the softness with the wrist. So I feel pretty good about that when I'm using my irons. But when I'm driving, the softness and the easiness kind of is related to a super slow swing because I want to kind of control it on the way back.

But I feel like even swinging through, I'm concentrated on the softness part of it and the swing is just super slow and I don't really get that power. So how do I transfer that power or get that power elsewhere? All that is, is this more than one question? This is a long solution. That's what's making me nervous.

I love it. The thing is, what you don't realize is you don't have to swing hard to hit it far. And that is where everybody gets screwed up. It's like if I don't put maximum effort into this thing swing-wise and swing speed, this thing's not going to get hit as far as I want it.

And it's the opposite. What we need, bud, is that smoothness, that rhythm, and the coordination, and you'll be blown away at how far you can hit it. I think another thing, Brad, just from Katty and for Jay and playing a little bit on top of that, some days the ball is going to fade and some days it might draw or do something different, different days.

We're going to feel different. Don't force it. Stick with the fundamentals, like Jay said, from your setup standpoint. And to me, the whole round is just what she said.

Try to get softer and softer and softer, but stick with those foundational principles. So many guys have told me, I slice the ball or fade the ball, one of those two, 100% of the time, and I come out one day and I've got this little draw. And I'm like, oh my gosh, how much fun is it to play when you have that little draw?

And they're like, oh, I don't play it. Because I'm just throwing, I don't trust in him. I'm like, if that's what you have that day, man, aim out to the right a little bit and go with it. There's so many great players that, they go with what they got. They go on the range, and you've heard Trevino talk about this. He would always say he's got three different swings. He just wanted to see which one felt good that day, and he used that one. Seriously. And you kind of go with that. If the fades fade more than usual, play it.

If you're trying to force it straight or force it to draw, man, that makes for a long, confusing day. And you know what our disclaimer is, but if we help you on Whackin' Chase, man, call the paper. Put us on Twitter, tell everybody you know. And if you keep slicing that thing and keep playing like a meathead, tell them we never met.

I've never talked to you before. Got it. Thanks, guys. Thank you.

Well, that's going to do it for a show, Pearl. Meet your golf game handle, dude. You got a new hat. You're awesome. You got your hat.

You got eight or nine golf balls in there that he gave you. Game over. I want to thank the Donahues, Kathy and Bob. Thanks for supporting the show. They do great quality work around your house, so you need help. You need your house looking great.

Go to the Donahue Painting and Refinishing. And, Pearlie, we will be back next week. We're getting closer to opening this thing up, man. Everybody stay safe. Thank goodness. Hit them straight, St. Louis. That was Golf with Jay Delsing, brought to you by Whitmore Country Club. Tune in next Sunday for more from Jay, John, and the other pros and experts from the golf world. In the meantime, you can find all of Jay's shows at 101espn.com, as well as at jdelsongolf.com.