Golf With Jay Delsing - - John Daly

Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing.

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I've got about 25 or 30 minutes of a big job. So much fun. Such an authentic...

I don't know if I know a more authentic person than I've ever met in my life. Really? He will look you in the eye and say, yeah, I lost $60 million. I'm an idiot. He'll use a couple other adjectives in there that we can't use on the show. Meat, how's editing that, by the way? I haven't got to that.

Anyway, give yourself a half a day. How was he? Was he really? No, he was terrific.

Yeah, he was terrific. Are we supposed to edit that? Yeah. Don't we just throw it all out there? Yeah, throw it in there. Whoops, whoops.

That's after the Midnight Edition. We'll air the original. He's a clean-cut guy. He's not going to say anything bad. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and also, so we got the interview with John. Also have this, a couple of deals I want to talk about, John. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the fact that the John Deere tournament got canceled. Yeah.

Because this Quad Cities area is generally located in a little town called Silvis, Illinois, but the Quad Cities is Moline and Rock Island, Illinois, and Davenport and Bettendorf, Iowa are to make up the Quad Cities. It's a great event. Terrific event. One of my favorites.

I played it 26 years in a row. And what happened is the governor of Illinois, who is the governor of Illinois. Confused. You know, he just, they couldn't get it figured out.

And so the folks up there had to pull the plug because they weren't going to, I think they were going to try to be either the first event whisper, anyways, it doesn't matter because there's no event. So that's really sad for that community. All the work they put through the years, hopefully it gets made up in the future. But yeah, it's frustrating with these leaders. And you know me, I'm from Illinois, but he's just aggravating. Him and his wife go on these other trips while everybody else is hunkered down and they're caught going all over the place and he makes things like this because I just don't think he wants people playing golf because for some reason that's elitist or something.

And you're always talking about how much you hate when people talk about that. It should be for everybody and it kind of is available for everybody. Isn't that governor fine privately too? Of course he is.

Yeah, so that's not elite. Anyway, let's look for a different show. We could start swearing right now.

Crack open that Micheloban. Let's do it. Anyway, so what's happened here, which is really cool, is Workday has come in along with the PGA Tour and there is going to be two events in Columbus, Ohio back to back on the same golf course, Pearl. So they're going to play the Workday event and replace the John Deere and it's going to be a full 156 man field. And then the week right after that is going to be Jack's Memorial Tournament.

It's an invitational 120 man field. And one thing that's cool is I get to work PGA Tour live for the Workday event. Oh, cool. Yeah, cool. So I can't wait to do that.

But here's what I wanted to ask you. What is that like as a player to get to play the same golf course two weeks in a row? Well, very different, but also just the travel issues you don't have to do.

You're kind of in essence home or at least in the same box for two weeks, as we would call the hotels, the box. But they're going to know the golf course. That's absolutely huge. There's a lot of interesting things will come from that.

So that's going to be kind of a fun case study. How many times is Tiger One Memorial? You know, because we're sticklers for the facts over here on the show. Do you know? No.

Me neither. He's won a lot. Let's just say five.

But it's a lot. Yeah. But I mean, could you imagine if Tiger were... Well, he's licking his chops across the board because I think he's feeling pretty good. He gets to do that.

They got all the majors stacked up on top of each other. Well, I don't know if he'll do, I don't know if he'll play back to back, but he owns that golf course. I mean, so what if you're a guy that doesn't like that course?

You know, Jack Nicklaus designed golf courses are not for everybody. No, they're not. But you don't say that out loud, do you? No. Oh, no. I actually loved him because the fairways were gigantic. I just loved him.

Well, that's going to do it for the on-range segment. But don't go anywhere. Perley and I'll be back. We've got the great long John Daly interview coming up. Wild thing. There he goes again. I don't know how often he has to tighten up his lug nuts in that golf swing.

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This is really fun. We got John Daly, two-time major champion. Won five PGA Tour events.

Grip it and rip it, baby. I will say this, John. Probably aside from the icons, this dude's the most popular guy I've ever seen on the tour. Really? Really. For all the years. And all the officials told me they always had to keep an eye out for whatever John Daly was playing. He could be playing last off on the back nine, you know, having a terrible tournament but making the cut and still people will come out and follow. So what is it?

What is it that attracts people like that? Well, first of all, and we'll talk about this after the interview, but he was way ahead of his time. So long. So long.

And such great times. The fans like the long ball, baby. Jake Stig the long ball.

Folks like the long ball. For me, he brought in the Jack Daniels crowd into golf. He did.

He brought way more of a blue collar in there. But let's talk about this. Let's go right to the John Daly interview, folks.

I hope you enjoy it. Man, one of the most down-earth, authentic guys I've ever had the chance to know is John Daly. John, thanks for joining me today. Oh, you got it, Jay. Hope you're being safe there, brother.

Yeah, we were just talking off air. We're just glad that we're in the Midwest. You know, the coast are a little bit crazy. And it's nice to be back amongst family and friends. I know you're down in Arkansas, right? Yeah, yeah. Luckily for me, I got my own course and could get out work on it and play golf with my son. And, you know, it's it's pretty, pretty good here.

It's really good here, actually. Hey, John, let's talk about your son a little bit. John Jr. God, you guys had a great tournament at the PNC, father and son.

Tell us a little bit about that, man. What a thrill. Yeah, it's our third year and we've we've we've come real close a couple times. And, you know, he's just become really, really talented and he works hard at it. And, you know, it's just a blast to play in that tournament out. You know, we want to we'd love to win it, but just being able to watch him play. I know it's a scramble, but it's still a tournament atmosphere. And he's, you know, he's playing with some of the legends that he's gotten to play with.

And some of the people he's gotten to meet, it's, it's great for him. And, you know, we were the best three legged team there. So I know your knee was really in bad shape after that surgery. Yeah, it was only like two weeks after and doc I told Doc said, Look, it's a scramble. I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do much but you know, I put it put a good one day for him and hit a couple good shots for him.

But basically, he carried me the whole tournament. John, did you ever think I mean, I can remember when we talk about this, but I can remember doing a little outing with you back in 91 down in Columbia, and we were doing it for probably 100 or 200 people in country club in Missouri, and then we both went to the PGA championship the next week. And our fates kind of turned a little bit after that point, man.

Yeah, I got lucky. Oh, man, I can remember that golf course, Jen crooked stick down there and it was so hard. And then I remember I was thinking I was watching you do so well, Mike, he's, you know, some of those holes that the rest of us were trying to fit our drives into, man, you were able to blow it over a lot of that trouble.

And what a great week you have. Yeah, it was, I think it was actually the first time if I remember those was always a fairways and the ball would just go forever off your irons and everything. And for me, you know, with the link that I had back then, it was easy to carry all the corners. And that was a big advantage. And I mean, look at crooked stick now still great golf course.

But you know, it's, it's short compared to what it was back then, you know, to these guys now. I mean, everybody hits it over 300 seems like on the tour flies at 300 or whatever. When they played the BMW there, the scores are really, really good, you know, really, really low. But it happens every week just Yeah, it's how the games change.

I mean, it's some of the places where, you know, we were hitting maybe mid irons and these guys are hitting pitches into you know, they're hitting I can remember watching Koepke and Tiger play the 18th hole at Bell Reef, you know, in 2018 for the PGA Championship, and they're both hitting L wedges into 18. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. Hey, john, technology and these guys are just so good now. Yeah, oh, man. And they are so fit and strong, john. Boy, my body doesn't look anything like that.

Now, I've never worked out but I sure put out. Tell us a little bit about 1992. But no, it's a long time ago, but you came back to St. Louis. And I know you're fond of St. Louis with Midwestern guy. And I know you even played a lot of junior golf up here. But what was it like to be the defending champion at Bell Reef?

I know you got to throw a first pitch out the Cardinal game. What was that experience like that week? Oh, my God, I got to hang out with Pedro Guerrero, you know, a gold glove guy. I was a huge huge Carter found in my favorite baseball team and just went to went to game and was fortunate to throw the first pitch out and just got to meet all the guys.

And it was a great, great week. I didn't. I can't remember if I made the cut or not. I don't know if I did.

But just coming back as defending champion like that. And it was really, really cool in an area that you know, I know a little bit about when I went to Elias, play some golf around there. I remember the tournament we played the math.

We call it the masters. Remember that little? Yeah. Oh, it bogey hills. I think. Bogey hills.

Yeah. I mean, what a great with that little golf course. The greens were as quick as a guest. It seemed like good. But just, you know, it was just a great, great week. I wish I'd have played better. But I will say I had a lot of fun that week. Yeah, well, you have a lot of fun wherever you go, but I wanted to just, I mean, I was looking up your stuff. You got 18 worldwide professional wins five on the PGA Tour two majors.

I was the only British Open that I played in was 95. And I can remember, you know, watching you play up there. And it's just, did you ever think man? I mean, I know we all had dreams, but look at what you've done and look at what you've accomplished. Oh, it's, I mean, it's, it's, from where I, the way I grew up and where I grew up, you wouldn't think anybody, you know, grew up on a nine hole golf course learned on my own. Didn't, you know, I'd always dreamed about it, learned how to basically play the game on a baseball field. You wouldn't think that it would have gone too far, but you know, I stuck at it, fortunate to be somewhat long and straight. And, you know, back then my wedge game was, you know, it was really, really, I worked really, really hard on the wedge game.

Like I can do a little bit now, but not like I used to. And, you know, it was definitely some dreams that came true. But how the hell were you able to hit it so long and straight? I was long. I wasn't nearly as long as you, but I was anything but straight. And when we play together and I, and I've told many people this, you're the longest straighter hitter that I've ever played with.

You know, Tom Watson gave me that credit too, which is pretty cool. Well, back then, you know, when I grew up, I was hitting a nice draw. So I voted the right side of the course.

And now that I got older and injured up, that draw turned into pull hooks a lot because my body can't function the way it used to. So I went to a cut and I went to a cut, avoid the left side of the golf course. So I've always believed what Nick was always said, if you can avoid one side of the course, you got to, you got to a good advantage on, on who you're playing with that. They're trying to get both styles of shots, unless you're Corey paving or Bubba Watson, or who else was a shot maker that could do that? Like I've never seen, but Corey paving and, and Bubba, two different guys, two different, you know, Corey was never long and Bubba was the way Bubba can play both sides of the course is pretty phenomenal.

Like Corey did. I was never that guy. I was always a drawer or now I'm a fader. And I think my link I don't know between, I played with Bubba. We were pretty close when I played with him at Hawaii.

But you know, he, he can hit, you know, 50 yard cuts off the tee and feel comfortable with it or, or 70, 80 yard draws and get it back in the fairway. I wasn't growing. We weren't taught that way. You know, back when we, we were starting and playing, it was all, you had to lift the ball and it was very hard to control the ball because of that. You know, load on your right, finish on your left.

And now you can just load on both palms of your, of your feet and just kill it. Cause the ball goes so straight down. Yeah. It's like a, it's like a rocket, John, it just, the line you started on, it's really hard to get it to move off of.

Yeah. We were a slow mo risk action when, when you played a lot of balls, now you've got to have the strongest wrist in the game to hit it long, the way the golf balls are. And that's what, you know, my son hits it past me now he's 16 years old and man, you know, I can still get it out to two 93 hundred, but uh, he's flying at two 95, three hundred and 16. And that's what I used to do, you know, with a persimmon and a ball, you know, John, one of the things that I was talking to aging, our bodies on the show a couple of weeks ago, and we used to, we learned how to hit shots. You know, when we, we, I was taught, you know, you got a, um, a pin in the back of the green, you're going to hit something kind of low and chasey in there, a pin. And you don't hit a low shot to the front of the green, but all of the best players, John, when I was learning how to play all hit their long stuff, high in a short stuff low. And when we play together, you could launch it way up in the air, but man, you're talking about your wedges. You knew how to hit wedges, didn't you? I, I, for some reason was a very good low wedge player and you had to be because the ball spun so much.

You had to get it low and get it to run. And, um, otherwise, you know, it was going to hit and suck back 20 feet, even on pavement. It seemed like, um, so we had to learn that growing up and now it's, you know, I can still hit the wedges a little low, but they're not going to bite. They're not going to perform the ball to me was, um, the golf ball now is great, but it's not, it was tough to get used to a three, you know, two, three, five piece golf ball.

Yeah, no, no doubt. I don't know if you've noticed that, but the club, the club, the ball used to stick to the club. Now it rides up the face a lot more if you're not careful.

And it also comes off so hot, John. I mean, did you ever think we'd be playing a ball that was like, when we were kids, remember the Molotov ball we'd always before the one ball roll, we'd throw that in on a, you know, a 200 yard, 230 yard par three and be able to hit a four iron on the green or something. Cause the ball would just zoom and we didn't care, but this thing comes off like that, except that these guys can spin it. Yeah.

It's amazing where it's come the technology. Um, you know, it's, people always say, Nicholas, can you imagine Jack Nicklaus and maybe my, the longest hitters of, of somewhat of the game, you know, playing an even ball at the same age. Um, what would have, would it have been any different?

Pretty cool question. I know. I'd love to hear what Jack has to say about it because you know, when Jack played, he played that tourney ball, which everybody thought he was given a shout or two to the field each week. Yeah. I don't know what he was doing.

I know he thought that's crazy. But he played an ultra competition in the British open. When I won some Wilson, it was a, it was like the hardest ball, but it was still very soft. It would still spin, you know, I think it was a two piece ball or something for competition that I went with. And you know, you see the stat titleists, you know, 74, uh, max fly 23 or something like that.

And you know, some other balding uh, two edition, maybe 10. And then the John Daly won ultra competition. It was so cool. That was pretty cool. I, I, uh, my locker that weekend at St. Andrews was right next to Constantino Rocas. And, um, so we got the, I got to know him just a little bit, not that well, but when he, when he kind of chili dip that shot on 18 and then chip the next one in, I thought you gotta be kidding me. You know, it really made me feel like there was some sort of, uh, you know how sometimes you feel like John, certain people are almost destined to win certain weeks.

That's kind of what I thought. And then he went out and just whipped his ass in the playoff. It was, it was great.

But people, what people don't understand is the up and down. He got on 17, Jay, that was almost as impressive as the 76 footer. He made that one on 18 was 76 feet. I had no idea it was that long, 76 feet or something like that.

That's what they said. But the up and down behind the green on 17, um, and viewers out there, listen, if you ever get a chance to look at it, it's almost an impossible up and down. He punted it, the balls bouncing like curly from the Harlem Globetrotters going up on the green. And he may, you know, it's one of the best parts I've ever seen in a major championship under that type of heat. And it was just incredible.

Well, yeah, you're right. I thought he was, I thought he was destined to win when he got that up and down. I mean, I had no earthly problem, even concertino, you know, could almost drive the 18th green in 95. And where the pen was, if you could just get it up there, I'll just get it on top or close to the top of that hill. You know, it was a, it was just a long par three, you know?

Yeah. Pretty much that bad. John, the back of the 17th green at St. Andrews for people that haven't played is one of the when I, when I first played St. Andrews, I went back there and I couldn't believe some of the crap that's back there. First of all, you got weeds that are what anywhere between, depending on how wet it's been anywhere between a foot long and three feet long. And then you've got a cobblestone, cobblestone road and everything else. You got, you got a brick wall back there. You got rocks, you got comp weeds, which your ball is just going to hit those weeds and just bounce all over the place. And it was one hole. You do not want to go over the green.

No, you're dead. I mean, we'd all put an X factor. Yeah. And he got it up and down. I forgot about that completely.

That's the most amazing part I think I've ever seen in a major golf championship because of the conditions behind that green. Okay. That's going to wrap up the front nine.

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No, you do that. Well, welcome back to the back nine. This is golf with Jay Delsing. Pearly and I are just jiving to our cool music that Brad Barnes is spinning over here and we've got more John Daly. So you and I'll keep dancing and you folks get to listen to John Daly.

Awesome. So John, I was looking at your schedule. You know, we've got an event, Ascension charity classic in St. Louis in the first, the last week of September, first week of October. Hopefully the world will be a be right by then. And it's on your, your, your calendar to play.

Oh, no doubt. I mean, I was hoping to catch the, catch a couple of Cardinal games, you know, maybe if the, to get in the playoffs, it was right around that, that playoff time and the St. Louis organization through some really good friends. We're going to do a John Daly day that was scheduled April 20th, Monday after Atlanta. They had John Daly bobblehead dolls.

They were given out thousands of game. And I was going to fill the first pitch and to be able to have a John Daly day and push stadium is like, wow, I feel like the mayor of the city. I mean, that would have been so awesome. And that got canceled, unfortunately, but hopefully we can reschedule it. Cause I really want to do it.

Oh, that'd be fantastic. You've also kicked. You've also been on some professional football fields cause you were a hell of a kicker in a, in high school. Well, we won some games, you know, I was fortunate to win a, win a, win a game or two for her lives. We had a, our season, we were the first perfect season we had since 1957. We were 10 and 0 and won our first playoff game. And I don't know if we won our second. I think we ended up 12 and one St. Charles beat us. Man, those guys were good. They beat us to kick us out of going to the state.

I think championship game. That's pretty cool. Hey, so John, when I look, when you look back at your career, there have been some super, super highs and super, super lows for you. One of the things that I remember watching you do was picking up the guitar. So tell the folks about what music provided in your life, but for them that don't know, I know you have two albums, you get up and jam with a shoot. Anybody that asks you, you've done backup with kid rock.

I know that. What else, what else is going on? And tell us about music and what it brings to your life back in 93 and four, you know, Larry Rinker, you know, that's when some, I was having some trouble just on and off the course, you know, and things were going great. And Larry says, man, as much as you hang around us and hang around the music and all the people you've met and the guitars that people have been sending to you, um, you might learn how to play. And so Larry Rinker took me in air, very Pennsylvania music store. He said, let's just buy you a little amp and buy you, you know, cheap guitar. So you start playing about this purple, purple, um, pearl, uh, fender. That was one of, uh, 19. It costs like 9,200 bucks. And, uh, I said, what do you think about that?

He goes, holy cow, you don't need that right now. You don't even know if you're going to play guitar. So, well, we second painted him. I, you know, started music room. I've gotten like at that time, probably 10 guitars from people. Um, now I've got like 67 to 80 in my music room that people have given me, or I bought, I like to collect them now, but it's more of a hobby, Jay. And, um, you know, my last album I released in 2010, I think or 11, it was John Day.

They only know one way. And next thing you know, that hit it hard song was number seven on the highway. I'm going to Jamie Johnson's tournament down in Mobile, Alabama. And everybody's hugging me and congrats, dude, man. That's freaking awesome. Been doing this for 10 years. I've never had a freaking, some of the, some of the singers I've never had to talk to him.

What's it feel like? I'm going, I didn't even know. Um, and then luckily, you know, to Herky Williams and the people, you know, Susan and Charlie Daniels and those people, they got me to do the right things, you know, on my own publishing and, uh, my own label and all that stuff. And, uh, hell I made money on the song.

I couldn't believe it. So, um, now it was, it's just more of a hobby. And, uh, you know, I was sober from 92 to 97 and, uh, that really helped get me through some tough times, really just trying to learn how to play the guitar. And it just kind of eases your mind, especially, you know, hitting the, when you're learning how to play guitar, it's like hitting your first solid golf shot. When you hit that chord the right way, you go, Oh my God, that's so cool.

Then that's when, that's when you're hooked. Well, I definitely need tools, but, uh, you know, I've never told anybody I'm a good singer, but I, I always, I love to write and, um, I love to do it as a hobby more than anything. And if the fans, you know, they all been talking about me doing another one. I've been starting to write a few songs and, um, getting a lot of my buddies involved in it to hopefully go on the next album with me and be more of the title of the album is going to be this old road's coming to an end, but it's going to be a, that's going to be the name of the first song, but it's going to be more like golf is kind of coming to an end. You know, I'm getting older and you know, it's more of a positive.

It's not going to be a negative. Yeah. John, to me, it, it showed you talked in your songs. It talked a lot about your life, dude. You talked a lot about your experiences and there were, there was pain in some of that stuff.

I felt like I was watching you go to through some sort of catharsis or some sort of, you know, healing. Yeah. It's um, there was some, you know, um, there's some ups and downs in that album. That's basically in that kind of all of our lives though. I mean, some are worse than others. Um, you know, it's just the way life is and you got to weigh the goods more than the bad and they're, you know, we're golfers, Jay, we've had more bad than we've had.

So when in 82 or 83 tournaments in his life, 14 majors, um, he could probably look at himself and go, wow, I've probably had just as many badges I've had goods, you know, but, um, it's just life. And I've kind of accepted that, you know, we're born, we're born with a diaper. We're going to probably die with a diaper. I mean, you know, it's just, um, I've accepted the fact that, that you're born to die. And, but in the middle of that, we got to live. Some of the fun things got me in trouble. And, um, but that's just life. That's just the way life is.

And you've got to try and have some fun no matter what, even in these hard times right now. No, I absolutely John, do you have any sort of, um, any sort of regrets? Do you regret anything that happened to you or anything you did?

You can't live on. I've never really lived on regrets. I mean, I think there's some people in my eighth step when I was sober that I've really got out and reached out to apologize on a personal note. But other than that, um, through all the ups and downs, you know, I didn't kill anybody.

I didn't kill myself. You know, I just, I've apologized to the people that I needed to in my life and hopefully they respect that. And, um, you know, I don't know how the players feel. The older players feel about me. I know on the champion's tour, they've all embraced me pretty good. I feel really good about that.

But you know, I think in any thing we do in life, you know, you want to be respected. And I think there's probably a few that probably don't respect me with, I can totally understand some of the stupid things I did on the course that kind of misrepresented the PGA tour in the game. But what I've done good has altered that. And did I get people playing the game of golf? I feel like I have, I feel like I got some really blue collar people back in the game, like Arnold Palmer did, you know, and that's something that if I help grow the game, then I feel like I've done that in my life.

And that's all you can do in this game. I think, Oh, John, that's where I was going to lastly. I mean, one of the things that I love about you, we, we didn't grow up exactly the same way. But neither one of us were country club kids, you know, and you have such a freshness about your honesty and about the way you look at things. And your popularity has got to make you feel good. You're, you're still one of the most popular guys to ever play golf in the PGA tour. I don't know, I don't hide anything, Jake.

I think that's what I mean. You are so true to the sport. We don't hide anything, you know, cover ups are just something that I don't believe in. My mom says, look, if you screw up, tell the truth. Don't lie about it because it's just going to get you in more trouble. And so like, I've always told people I've gotten those skeletons in my closet, brother. And once you get them all out, once you get them all out, you can hold your head high, whether it's good or bad, you can hold your head high and live your life.

Cause that's what I do. Well, John, I had the pleasure. I don't know how many times we've probably played a hundred rounds of golf together. We've played a lot around to golf together, but to watch the people that I know that you brought out to the PGA tour, there was a different sort of crowd.

Like you said, more blue collar. It was so phenomenal to watch. And I loved it.

The underdogs, I brought the underdogs out. I love it. I love it, man. It was great.

Well, I really appreciate the time today. And, um, and we can't, I know the city and the whole Midwest can't wait for golf to get back going, but also to watch you play this fall up at Norwood Hills, that'll be a blast. I can't wait to get back there, brother. And you know, it sucks not being able to see the Cardinals play baseball right now.

I can tell you that. It's almost like you're missing a cousin or something, isn't it? It's like something's missing in your life.

Oh yeah. I mean, you know, my Razorbacks baseball team, you know, all the Razorback football sports, you know, spring sports would be going right now. I mean, it's just, it's just tough. So I mean, it's tough for everybody, but, uh, you know, I hope we play football. I mean, I'm hoping for football, you know, it's our first year it's, you know, Razorbacks are my diehard number one, but we're, we're, we're supposed to play my second favorite team Notre Dame, um, this year. And it was going to be, I think our second game and, you know, we've got Sam Pittman as our new coach and, you know, and Eric Muslim Muslim. What a great job he's done at Arkansas for his first year in basketball.

So we've got some great coaches up there and hopefully things will turn around at the university of Arkansas and our football program. I can remember Johnny, remember your home at, um, at South wind, you had the big Razorback painted on your, uh, on the bottom of your pool. Yeah. And it had that, uh, saying, kill it. That's squeaky. I had, he always told me to do just kill it, John.

It was on the bottom of that pool. Oh man, John. Great times. Uh, well, thanks again for being on the show. I look forward to seeing you down the road sometime soon.

You got it brother. All right. What a cool, I'd say that all the time. I'm sure folks are great job with the interviews.

You have wonderful people that you get to interview. And I liked that they're kind of all over the map and here's the guy that, yeah, right up the golf alley, but he's also all over the map. Oh yeah. Just terrific.

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All right. So John Daly, first of all, John, this dude was so far ahead of his time with his golf game. When he came out, he is, first of all, he is the longest straightest driver, period.

This dude hit it so much further than us and straight. I remember him actually somebody telling me about him. You're going to remember this name from the past. There's a roommate of mine in Arizona, Craig Harrison.

Oh yeah. And he said, watch out for this guy. He was working with him or around him.

I don't want to, I don't know quite what the relationship was. Well, with Harrison, it was that's those guys trying to make their way on the tour and, and teaching stuff. But I can remember him saying, I never heard of him and I was right in the middle of golf at that point.

I thought I knew everybody. So don't wait till you see this guy, how far he hits it, how straight he hits it. People don't know that he was really good. This guy's scary off the, off the scales, talented. John, if John Daly had one half of the ability to manage himself off the golf course, like Jack Nicklaus did, look out. Yeah. I mean, I know that's a huge if, but it is a huge if, but that's how talented the guy was.

We'll never know, unfortunately, because of other choices he made, but relative to, to golf talent. And, and again, it's one of those things you wouldn't copy it. You're not going to teach somebody necessarily to swing like that. You could not, you could not.

It's almost like bodies don't move that way. Right. That's what I was going to say.

And an athlete, I will tell you this with John Daly. I always knew what to expect when I played with him, whether he was hung over, whether he was having a rotten day, this dude was respectful and you knew what you were going to get. Now, was it always pretty?

No. Did he pick up his ball and throw it every once in a while? You know, I think he did that over and over in capital. I remember it was rolling back because the greens were crazy and he just took it and whacked it into the bushes and just walked off.

I think, you know, that's, but that's, that's what you get. And, um, when he was a kid, you know, came up to St. Louis, played some junior golf up here. I knew John well. We, um, I didn't know that we mentioned this in the, um, uh, interview where he and I did a, uh, a little outing in Columbia, Missouri on the Monday of the PGA championship week that he won on a crooked stick. He was ninth alternate. He said, do you think I should go? I go, you got to, it's so close.

You know, if it's over in New York or something like that, I'd say, don't go. But typically, especially in the majors, you never got in off the alternate list. For example, the following year, the PGA championship was hit in St. Louis at bell reef, 1992, Nick Price won. I was first alternate all week. Didn't get in.

Wow. And he was ninth. He was night that week. It just so happened. You know, John, that was also at a time during the PGA championship where the PGA of America allowed in so many more club pros.

So there was only half of the field was filled with tour players and the other half was with club pros. Just remember how fun it was to watch that and his, uh, his fun caddy squeaky. And the announcers were beside themselves because they're like, okay, you know, maybe he should lay it up over here or just get it in. And I can't remember, maybe it was, was it McCord?

Somebody just, just grip it and rip it. I mean, and, and fortunately that's what his caddy was saying. Cause that's what he knew to do. If you would have said, Hey, steer this thing out there, 230 yards, it may not have landed on the golf course. Well, John, the other thing that we talked about in the interview and, and I talked about him with him in person after one, as I said, has there ever at the time, has there ever been a golf course, better designed for you? I said to John, if you had to, and I pointed out like seven holes specifically, if you had to design a hole, would you, and he goes, I just, every one of them was perfect because no matter how poorly I hit my driver, it was going to carry all the stuff. And for every single other person in the field, Pearl, we had to fit it in. We had to fit it in the fairway. He's taking it into areas. And you know how, have you played there before massively wide fairways where they go very, very narrow where we were hitting and then they widen out and it was basically for the average player, you know, to where they're going to be hitting some of their second and third shots from.

Well, what for John, no one, you know, Pete Dye had no idea that someone was going to come along this time and hit it this far. No clue. Awesome. Yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah. It was just a, just a, a, a really, really, um, it was an amazing experience to watch him do it. And I think, I think he even said he was drinking a beer while he was playing at the time. I think he had, that part's not a good part and it's not nothing that kids want to emulate or any of us want to emulate, but just from a raw talent, a lot of fun to watch him all the time. And then he starts wearing the crazy colorful pants and the, the merchandise wagon and it, you know, he, he definitely beats his own room.

Yeah. You know, you know, what's interesting is I went over to his house in Memphis and he had a Razorback painted on a, it's just a gigantic Razorback fan, you know, from Arkansas and a Razorback painted on the bottom of his pool. And um, he had, uh, five, maybe six grocery store bags full of a hundred dollar bills from the casino in his office. And he said, yeah, things have been going well. And he, I mean, it wasn't like, Hey, let me show you this. It was like, Hey, this, we just walked by and he was like, Oh yeah, I've been doing well at the casino and walking through it.

It's like, and it wasn't any, it wasn't anything. He, uh, he, uh, man, I can tell you, I gotta tell you this funny story. Um, you know, I had just gotten divorced and I was playing with John down at Memphis and we're on the back nine and we're walking, uh, we played 36 holes together. We had a terrible tornado come through there. And this was one of the few times in Memphis where I didn't have a great tournament, made the cup, but then have a great tournament. So I'm playing with John on the weekend.

We got 36 on Sunday, so lots of time to kill. And I remember walking down the 13th, uh, walking off the 13th tee and he had hooked one and I had sliced one. So, and I said, John, how much money do you pay a month in alimony? Cause I was like, alimony is a new thing for me.

I don't think I like this that much. And he said, let me think about that for a minute. And then he duck hooked his tee shot and I hit this power slice of his question for the golf course. So we were, we're walking and he said, uh, we got back together and he said, I think 75 hundred. And I said 75 and he goes, yeah, 75,000. Oh, man.

I just wanted to crawl in the bunker and just stay in there. I was like, Johnny's like, yeah, I think he goes, there was Betty and there, you know, there's a couple, there's a couple of several. Oh, I think four or so. Yeah. So they weren't all getting 75.

No, he added it up. Can you imagine? But John, this guy says it like I'll take a cheeseburger. It's just so matter of fact, don't you wish you could be so matter of fact. Oh my gosh.

It's just crazy. But, um, you know, that's going to wrap up another show. This is a great way to wrap up a golf show.

Oh my gosh. Well, probably thanks for being with me today. Meet, uh, thanks so much for keeping us on track and keeping us moving in some direction.

It's not always forward, but it certainly is a direction. We will be back with you next week and listen to the show next week. I'm going to have, um, army captain, Joshua Peyton, 20 year army vet, three time deployment guy, the U S army, and now CEO of the veteran golf association. So we'll see you guys next week. We'll see you guys next week. Golf with Jay Delsing.

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