Golf With Jay Delsing - - Jim Nantz Pt. 2

Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing. Lots to talk about today.

We've got some controversial subjects to sink our teeth into. And the NFL. The guy's magic. The guy's everywhere that's important in sports. Yeah, so it's pretty cool.

So we're going to get to listen to him a little bit and we formatted the show like a round of golf and the first segments called the On The Range segments brought to you by Pro-Am Golf. And check us out on our social media outlets. I know we can't get away without saying these really important. The social media is working for you. How many downloads did you get last week?

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And Instagram is a mystery because those numbers keep rising too. So alright, this thing has bugged me. And we've got to talk about Jon Rahm and the penalty last week. We've got to talk about this. So specifically what bugged you? Let's start there. Specifically, first of all, on the positive side. No, what bugged you?

You already baited us. But the shot he hit was unbelievable. Probably made his lie a little worse. Yes, that's true too. However, that penalty has got to be issued quicker.

So that's the part that bugged you? Hell yeah. Look, I'm not saying my buddy Ryan Palmer could have made a birdie coming in. I was afraid he might fall down and not be able to get back up. Tough conditions out there, baby.

Long weekend. But Jon, come on. Here's a scenario.

This is how this plays out. If he knows he's moved the ball, which he did not, he did nothing wrong. This is not on Jon Rahm. But if he knows... Well, he did something wrong, but it wasn't intentional. No, not intentional and he wasn't aware of it. Not intentional and not aware. I would agree with both of these.

Right, right. So I'm not saying Jon Rahm cheated. He did not.

But when you're doing this, how soon you get these penalties issued is... I can't even tell you how important because if he understands that that ball's moved, I'll bet my bottom dollar he doesn't hold that next shot. And I bet two bottom dollars he didn't even get it up and down. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he doesn't hold it, but he gets it up and down.

Still unbelievable up and down. So he makes a two, which turns into a four where we are now because of the penalty. If he gets the two shot penalty and doesn't hold it, that two turns into a three plus the two strokes.

He's making five. But your point is if the penalty's leveled at the moment, it plays a completely different role. And of course, who can agree with you on that? But how does that happen? My question to you was, if you're on the third hole and that happens and they review it and they make a decision, do they come out to the golf course and tell you? So to me, there's got to be something like if they don't get you within the next hole or by the end of that hole or something, otherwise it's no fair. So the guy that does the same doesn't mean to cheat, doesn't mean to break a rule, inadvertently does something that he's not even aware of. If he's on the third hole, it's a massively larger penalty because he's playing with that two strokes in his head the whole time versus the guy that gets the finish and not know about it. Exactly.

It's like, remember at Oakmont when the USGA jacked up the Dustin Johnson and he had that looming over his head from the fifth green all the way to like 12, which was insane. But to your point and to what I'm complaining about here is that it changes too much of what could happen if you don't get it out there sooner. You can either allow it or don't allow it, but get it out there right away.

There's so much weirdness on this whole television stuff because the other thing is if you're not on TV, nobody sees any of that stuff. So it's kind of like you're in the hunt, the pressure's on extra amount anyway. And then they're also going to micro examine every time you put your club behind the ball, which by the way, what I got a problem with this is this is a bigger problem. You just naturally ground your club. You are changing your lie.

Now, in this case, to your point, the irony is he actually grounded it and it turned out to be a little bit worse lie. Right. His ball settles down even a little. But how many times when you're in that long, brutal tour rough and you put your club down, something happens. The ball might not move, although I would contend it moves a lot more than we're acknowledging.

I would just, that's just my contention. At the very least what it does is it pushes the grass down behind. There is a famous kind of, and this is a favorite guy of mine, I hate even bringing this up because again, I do not see it as being intentional, but there's a lot of people that can look at it different ways. But there was a lie that Kenny Perry had in a situation to win the Phoenix open. Check it out. 18th hole playoff with Charlie Hoffman, I believe.

Check it out on YouTube and Google it. He kept putting, he was long and left or kind of pin high left to the green. He kept kind of looking at it, going up to the green, looking at it, putting his wedge down behind the ball. Well, when the camera first from a given angle was showing, you couldn't see the ball. Much of the ball at all. And then all of a sudden after Kenny's doing his thing, it looks like a pumpkin.

It's as big as a basketball. And I'm like, holy cow, Kenny Perry just changed his lie. I mean, there's, I'm not saying, I have a lot of respect for Kenny Perry. But what happened there is a hundred percent obvious on TV. It's not different camera angles, Pearl. No, it wasn't. That's what I'm saying. Well, nor was this. This was relatively not as obvious as Kenny's, but it's that situation.

And my point is, if you have a close-up camera on these guys around the green with this ball sitting in the rough an inch and a half off the ground, hovering in the middle of the grass, sorry, this is happening way, way more. Yep. Yep. Well, that's going to do it for the, on the range segment. John and Jay, are we done with our argument?

Not really. We can keep arguing, but we got to take a break and, and come back for that Jim Nantz interview. Jim Nantz, part two. This is golf with Jay Delsing.

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But here it is. The return to glory. I never thought we'd see anything that could rival the hug with his father in 1997 that we just did. That will be the greatest scene in golf forever. The Jim Nantz interview on golf with Jay Delcine is brought to you by Golden Tee.

Jimmy, how the hell? How do you stay authentic? You know, some of the some of the fellows out there have line scripted, but how do you stay authentic and and let your heart and your passion kind of run what you say? It almost seems like you almost have to be on the verge of this controlled recklessness, you know, because there's a win for the ages in 1997 is one of the most iconic, you know, what is it, six or seven words that's ever been said in golf?

Yeah, well, I'm glad you brought that one up because I got to tell you, most of the time you are lost in the moment and it's what hits you for that occasion. Now, when Tiger won in 97, he had a nine shot lead overnight on his way to a 12 shot margin of victory, breaking that record and many others at the 97 Masters. And truth is, and I wrote it in my book that night before I knew how gigantic that occasion was going to be when Tiger knocked it in for the final stroke. It was going to be a win that would transcend the game itself. It was bigger than a golf tournament victory. And I knew that that clip when he hold his last putt would be played back 10, 20, 50, 100, 200 years from now. And every time that clip played that little narrative, whatever it is that goes along with it, it's going to be on that tape.

And it better be something that describes that occasion that has lasting power. I didn't want to just say, wow, or it's over or there's your champion. You know, sometimes those are the right things to say, lost in the moment. But I think like any broadcaster would do that's worth their salt, they would have given that a lot of thought like I did the night before, given it's a nine shot margin. I felt the figurative presence, if you will, of Pat Summerall, Jack Whitaker, Chris Shankle, Jim McKay, all these golf broadcasters I've listened to in my youth. I really I felt them like peering over my shoulder.

They were all alive at this time. I knew they all would be watching the next day. And I wanted to do something that they would say, you know what?

That passed the test. That's how you do it. And I didn't want to screw it up. So the great, great majority of the time, like when Phil pulled the putt in 04 on the last green and I said, is it this time?

Yes, it won't last. I couldn't have told you five minutes later what I said, because I just it just came out of my mouth. It's what the occasion felt like to me. But the win for the ages was something I had in my head. And I'm glad I did. And I think that was the right way to play it.

I have had some writers through the years and kind of died down a little bit. They would say, hey, you scripted that line. I know you did. And I said, darn right, I did. By the way, if you were down at Augusta and your paper traveled you down to Augusta to cover that tournament on Saturday night with a nine shot lead. Do you think you would have been thinking about your lead for your column the next day? Or would you have just on Saturday night gone out, you know, had a had a few pops, had a great dinner, mindlessly show up the golf course on Sunday without thinking about the significance of Tiger Woods at 21 years old, shattering every record ever at Augusta? I said, if you didn't, if you were somebody that was on someone else's expense account and you traveled there and again, you mindlessly showed up on Sunday and I'll figure it out when it's all over.

You know what? You shouldn't be sent back the next year. You wouldn't have been doing your job. And, you know, there are circumstances, not many that would ever match that.

But there are times when you give it a lot of thought. I got asked about this earlier today about the return to glory at Line J in 2019. I had no clue I was going to say that until just a few moments before he knocked in that last foot and a half putt. And it really hit me the word glory when I saw his family waiting for him behind the green as he's walking up the 18th. I didn't know they were going to be there.

In fact, we had been told they weren't going to be there. And then all of a sudden, Steve Milton, our director, cut to the family shot behind the green. There was his mom.

We hadn't seen Katina in a long time. There were his kids. And instantly I thought, my gosh, what a scene this is going to be. This is just I mean, this is going to be like the next generation of the 97 hug with his dad.

It was easy to figure out what was about to unfold. And I just thought, good for him. You know, this is a victory that's bigger than a golf tournament and different than the transcending significance of transcendent importance of the 97 win. This was a story that was about a man really kind of getting his life completely back in a good place. You know, all the doubters that never believed he could win again after 11 years away from winning a major. All the hardships, some of which have been self-inflicted, but a lot of it really I'm dealing with here, talking about had to do with the injuries and all the surgeries and and all that he, you know, had lost as far his dominance in the game of golf. It's the greatest comeback the game's ever seen.

And that's almost indisputable. But I'd be hard pressed to come up with any sport that ever had a bigger comeback story than Zagre 2019. So I thought of glory. I thought of just the glory in a man's life to be able to rewrite the script and not only be on top of the game again to defy all odds, but to have that loving family and that embrace that was on the way waiting for him behind the green. And I just called it the return to glory. And at that point, I said nothing.

Nick said nothing. And we sat back and watched one of the most beautiful moments as far as a celebration scene that the sport or any sport will ever see. Well, Jimmy, it also to me signified a different Tiger Woods, right? One of the things I have to say about when you come up with a win for the ages, just because you have a lot of time to come up with a quote unquote line, it doesn't mean it's going to work.

It all has to come from your heart and it has to stay authentic. And somehow or another, in my opinion, you bring that out. And what you just said, thank you, Jay. And what you just know.

Yeah, no, go right ahead. It demands it. Like every week is its own separate kind of championship. And so I think people get accustomed to hearing me call more of those moments, those kind of calls at the end, which have taken on, for whatever reason, a greater significance and scrutiny and judgment, much more so than they were early in my career. I think maybe it's just the the the clips and the highlights in the social media world that we live in. People make our business a lot of times down to us a given call. I don't put as much weight into it because there's so much more nuance and detail.

And efforting that goes into a three hour show, I figure every minute is as important as the next. But golf, when it ends, you know, let's say it's colonial here in two weeks. You know, we're going to have a different kind of scene because it can be no crowd noise and we know embrace.

Nobody can touch anybody. But. Any tournament that ends is kind of like winning for a player in a lot of cases, a Super Bowl, a championship, a lifetime, a lifetime goal. So doing 15 some years has been as many as 20 tournaments in a year. You get 15 or 20 reps at having a championship call when you're stationed at the 18th hole, when you're at 17 or 16, like it used to be, you don't get those defining moments that go along with. The visual that that tournaments remembered for.

So I get a ton of them and I guess that's a good thing. Maybe people get tired of hearing me try to call those moments, but they could get into like basketball, my life and basketball. I get to like a conference tournament like the Big Ten tournament.

There's a defining moment when the clock is zero. You get to a regional final. There's a moment there that again is kind of they're going to the final four. There's a there's another call, if you will, at the end of the game, when a team wins in the semifinals, they're going to the national championship. Then there's another time for me to do it when all of a sudden. Someone's won the national title or in football, when someone wins the AFC championship or someone wins like we have the Super Bowl coming up again on our air this year.

Somebody Ramon, I will call it. There's a lot of these moments and I'm grateful. I've had so many chances, but golf is the the main tonnage of it because I figure all of these tournaments J are kind of like their own stand alone championships. Does that make sense?

No, absolutely. They're so they're and it's so difficult to win Jim. I mean 156 guys each week and one champion. Brutal so hard. So hard and I have so much respect for what goes into one of those wins and I feel it man.

I I always think of it this way. I want to represent that guy. That is having that that achievement.

I want to do justice to it. I mean, I was a kid that had a little bit of talent. Not a lot, but you know, won some high school and junior tournaments. Nothing.

No great shakes. Trust me. But when I practiced, I heard that announcer in my head telling me that this was to win the Masters tournament. I imagine that. I visualize that I could hear it. I could feel it. You'd wonder what would they say if you ever did that? How would they handle that? What would that story sound like?

And now let me go on the other side of it. I'm that guy that. Is in that player's head since they were a kid. I guarantee you, of course, we've never talked about I guarantee you Jay growing up when you're playing a game you had that narration in your head every time during or standing over a big putt every time.

Yep, 100%. I want to do that. I want to do that moment the right way. I hope to oh my gosh, you're doing it. You've done it.

I don't hit it all that often, but I try. Oh my God. I I just I felt like what we saw in 2019 was this circle completed for a guy who is public publicly been humiliated. And again, a lot of the stuff he brought on himself. But it's also kind of a tribute to our game and our country when everybody rallies around and supports that comeback and can appreciate that comeback because nobody is beyond reproach. And we all make mistakes and man Tigers was so visible and so public and to have that and then see him with his kids on the on, you know, he never even brought a lot around when he was married and he'd win a championship.

They never had a an embrace on the 18th grade. It was always his dad and his mom and then she'd be kind of back in the in the background a little bit. Well, it the intensity of the hug with his children, particularly his son is all I needed to know is someone who will always always say with pride that the greatest role that God's ever given me is to be a dad and in relationship with my family.

There's and I know you feel the same way. There's nothing nothing that it can ever come close and just as a dad you hear the stories out there on the tour. You're a lot of things, you know about hey, this guy's doing you know, he's been spending more time with his family and you know, I would hear that about Tiger.

He's faithfully been dropping his kids off the fence or soccer practice takes him to school picks him up. He's in the car line all of this but you know, we don't ever see it and we're not supposed to see it's not something of your whole life's not supposed to be there for us to be eyewitnesses to but then when you get a moment like that winning the Masters tournament and your son is squeezing you so hard that you know, it it just it was just beautiful. I mean, I was completely touched by the moment and it's it showed me a lot about the part of Tigers life that the public hasn't been exposed to you know, everybody's got an opinion about how he's supposed to live and you know, where is he now in his life and all this and I don't know it's thankfully I don't have to cover that that that the world like that I cover events and I just I just have a lot of respect for how he has brought his his life and his kids and all that back together again. It was just a great thing to see and the last thing I'll say about it, you know, I was I was there in 97 as we talked about if you could actually just as fate would have our towers always in the same spot. It doesn't get moved at 18 behind the green although in some early years. We actually were on the left side of the green the announcers were at 18 oddly enough not directly behind the green.

It was an interesting position where your voice really felt like it was being heard and it was hard to bring it down enough to where you can whisper and it makes sense over the air and not disrupt the players. But anyway, if you could GPS the exact spot on the planet for Tiger and Earl hug in 1997 and one day said, you know that we should put a plaque there. I'm not suggesting they put upon just saying they put a plaque there that this is the spot where Tiger and Earl had that hug after the win for the ages. If you if you if there was one in 2019, we're Tiger and and and Charlie hug. I guarantee you Tiger's feet would have been on the would have been on that plaque there on the exact same spot. You know, you talk about places in your life where my gosh, you didn't know this was going to be such an important place right here and whatever it is.

Maybe it's a tea box somewhere. It's it's it's it's a ball field or it's a it's a swing set in your backyard or some of your greatest moments of your life have ever taken place that spot behind the 18th green at Augusta and I'm telling you it is right on the spot is where Tiger Woods greatest moments in his life have ever taken place other than the birth of his children. Well, that's going to do it for the front nine and don't go away Jay and John will be right back and we got more actually let's do it this way.

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We're going to jump right back in to the conclusion of the Jim Nantz interview. Man, when I look through your career and how it's developed, I know you've got this your clothing line now vineyard vines. I know you've got the calling which is this fabulous label on some really great wines and now I'm kind of with you and back in the early years.

I have no idea what wine was and I've kind of made some I've opened a few bottles since then and really enjoy it. But one of the things I want to talk about if you don't mind is the forget me not program and talk about your passion for raising money and awareness for Alzheimer's and how it has affected your family. My father lost the battle to Alzheimer's.

It's an unwinnable battle. Unfortunately, right now we're hoping to change that in a few short years, but he suffered for 13 years after being diagnosed took him to the best doctors and research folks I could find in the world. My dad was my hero, my mentor, my best friend. And when he when he passed away, it coincided that the day that he passed away. This is in June of 2008 with the book that I had written about my father at that time called always by my side, meaning my father, figuratively is always with me no matter where I go. We released it on Mother's Day of away. The day that my father passed away the book that very day reached the number reach number three on the New York Times bestseller list not sports category I'm talking overall. So, it was a love story about a father and a son, and I use sports as a backdrop. And I was, I viewed it as cathartic being able to write about my dad, and of course I did have the realization that there's a, there's a real competitive world out there in the book selling business, and I was obligated to make a certain number of appearances for the publisher penguin fantastic to try to, you know, get get the book, some movement. And little did I know that the first week, we went on a bunch of shows according, including two of the three morning shows CBS this morning and the Today Show.

Within a matter of days we found out that it was a New York Times bestseller week one. There was an audience out there that could relate to the story about a family putting everything it had every resource. I'm talking financial I'm talking time, love and effort into keeping my father whole as long as we could and protecting him and his dignity. It just resonated with a lot of people in that in that universe, and it was one of the sweetest things I've ever been a part of my life is just seeing the outpouring of people who were supportive in the at the same time people that were experiencing the exact same thing that my family had on the caregiving side, and really, I'm talking about my mother and sister above all just heroes to me, always will be for what they did to look after my dad to the very end, but I, I realized pretty quickly, as, as the show kind of took on a wonderful journey and picked up steam and, and, you know, had a much bigger audience than I ever could have imagined. I realized there was something more I needed to do than just write this book about my dad. I need to do I roll up my sleeves that I've done so many, you know, you know it is with golf we get a lot of wonderful charity events that are tied to the game and I, you know, I've always tried to pitch in as many times as many ways as I can, but it was my own charity.

I'd like to do that, I'd like to have something that, you know, I feel like I can make a difference with I've already seen the reaction based on this book. So, in 2011. Everything align. And along with my wife Courtney, and this great team from Houston Methodist Hospital down at the Texas Medical Center. We created and opened the first Alzheimer's research and clinical care center they they had at that level in Houston. And so we're coming up on 10 years, and the goal was to, you know, try to create the best working team of researchers scientists doctors with care and expertise and forward thinking innovative cutting edge mindset. And here we are all these years later and the Nance center which is named for my dad the Nance national Alzheimer center, which you can access it Nance friends.org if you want to read about it. I mean it is we're doing it's the greatest. It's the greatest victory of my life, you know, outside of my family is, is, is to see this thing now have a presence in that world in that universe, and the CS collaborating and researching and administering trials and we've had a lot of people from the sports universe that, you know, with confidentiality that have had come there for their loved one to be diagnosed looked at treated, put on some trials. In a lot of cases, and we've hosted several times now the International symposium of Alzheimer's researchers, doctors come and researchers from all over the world have come to Houston, hosted by again the Nance Center name for my dad. And I'm just very proud of the team that's down there. I can't talk science I wish I could I know it's, I made a decision a long time ago I'm not going to try to act like I have every last answer, but I can do my best to roll up my sleeves and try to get the Nance Center what it needs, and that is awareness research funding grant money. And it's taken me all over this country, telling, telling the story and lending a voice to a team of people that live their lives trying to one day find a treatment. And I want to see it in my lifetime, that's the goal that we get our hands around this I want to defeat the opponent that defeated my dad. And I feel really confident that we're going to get there.

And I think we're going to get there a lot sooner than people think. Well, Jim it's just incredible work and it's a hard thing as a young man who idolizes her father had the same sense and then he, you know, watches a struggle and then watch them pass away and what a better way to honor him then something like that and something that will stand the test of time and help numerous other people. You also had this kind of tied into your broadcast with the Hello friends for a while, didn't you.

Yeah, I still do. And I get asked that a lot of times when I'm doing radio shows and they don't go to story thank you for actually knowing the story but it was always done as a kind of a code message to my dad as his memory was was fading. That became my Carol Burnett I'm dating myself here but she's a tug on her earlobe when she come out to open her show and people have little ways of sending some hidden messages to loved ones and for my dad. I always thought that he had nothing but friends I know that for a fact, anyone ever met my dad was a friend, and he had nothing but positivity in his life, never said a bad word about anybody I know that's a kind of a common cliche for people when we lose loved ones but it's so true. My dad had nothing but friends and I told them one time that I'm going to go on the air this weekend and when when they come to us on camera, I'm going to say hello friends. I'm Jim Nance here, you know that Jim Nance for your dad because I'm Jimmy Nance my dad was Jim Nance.

I'm the third. But, you know, in my professional life and now most people call me Jim but still my wife my family they'll know me because my dad was big Jim. And so, you know, I, I said I want to say hello friends at the top of that, and I just want you to know that I'm saying that to you.

I'm making a view at that very moment. Now, look, his, his mind was unfortunately losing this fight against Alzheimer's he may have forgotten what I told him, two minutes later. I've always wanted to think that he remembered it. And when I came on the first time and said that, that hopefully it brought a moment of joy to him.

It's been there ever since and I don't say to try to have some sort of catchphrase I don't need that I'm not trying to draw any attention to myself. But once I started doing it, it made me think of my dad, it relaxed me, and I looked into that lens and you look at that dark hole the lens is, you know, you don't see the hundreds of thousands and millions of people that are looking at you. But when I look into that lens I think of my dad when I say that it's a comforting relaxing moment whether it's Super Bowl, or a Masters tournament or a Final Four game whatever it might be, when I say hello friends that that instant.

I think of my dad, and it gets me into the right frame of mind to do a show. Well, Jim, I can't thank you enough for taking this much of your time I sit here and think about what a great story tell you are and then learn about how you're a best selling author and it's no surprise at all. I'm a recipient of the Pete Rozelle award from the NFL Hall of Fame the youngest recipient from the Basketball Hall of Fame for the fabulous Kurt Gowdy award multiple Emmys, you only won national sportscaster year five times you got to get going on that you're kind of slack at five wins but all that stuff's very nice but the nicest thing is when, you know, to be able to say I'm a father of three. It's pretty special and and those kids don't give a rip where anything about those awards what your office looks like the hardware they just want to know they have dad.

That's right. And I'll tell you, these have been tough and challenging and trying and tragic times for so many people around the world in our country alone. We know how difficult it's been in our hearts and prayers go out to everybody that's lost a level and every single life has its own story and its own tragic consequences here, and ripple effect through families and loved ones so it's just so many people affected thankfully we've been fine. Moreover, you know, I know I'm not the first to say it but the blessing of during this time to be able to have the family surrounding you, and to not be in a hurry or rush to go somewhere. Like I have been most of my life ever since I got out of college.

If I got to consecutive weeks off that I can count just a few times that that ever happened, then they have three months, where you never in that three month stretch or more than three miles from your home. And you're, you know, you're at the table every night with your family, and it's just it's been. Again, we never would want to see anyone have to live through these, these times again and hopefully there's going to be a vaccine around the corner and life can return to normal not without all this hurt and pain that's in suffering that we've gone through but I'm just counting my blessings for this silver lining that in this in the midst of this. I've been able to hit the pause button for a while, and, and to just be here for my family.

And I know that, you know, I'm someday going to look back at this and just not believe how that all worked out that we had this long a time just to be a family and be together without anybody having to rush off somewhere. Yeah, it's terrific and this is gonna can and I know who you are I know what kind of heart you have I know how important your family is what man I'm really excited to have you back and have you on my television set and calling the great game again. But really appreciate all the time and this has just been spectacular and I can't wait to hear it, it colonial. CBS is coming up, it's coming up soon it's going to be here, going to be an incredible feel CBS has 11 consecutive tournaments starting with colonial it's going to have its challenges in terms of just getting adjusted to being on the road again that's going to feel the same. The protocols and all the right moves that CBS and the tour are going through to make sure their people are safe. It's going to take some adjusting to just the way that you normally descend on a town like Fort Worth and the places you want to go and people you want to see the dinners and restaurants you want to go to that that's all that's that's going to be different. No fans on the golf course that's going to feel and sound different but you know we're going to do our best to, you know, make it great for people as an experience to watch and a form of escapism from their lives and people are excited about real competition again it's coming soon and I'm looking forward to doing it. That's going to wrap up the back then before we close this segment I want to thank Bob and Kathy Donahue men, dear friends and supporters of the show. They're painting and refinishing business is just rocking right now and check them out online. They do great, great stuff if you have an image that you want your house to look like call Bob or Kathy, and they'll make it happen.

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They are great people, and they will do a terrific job. Alright John, what do you say about the interview? How about the story with Sean Connery?

It's unbelievable. When he told the story, I started thinking of things that I really screwed up in my life. When your heart sinks, when you go like, I can't believe I just did that. Think of where his head was at. Oh my gosh, I can't.

He said it's awful. To hear Sean Connery scream, and then to see blood trickling down out of his shoe, he'd be like... He took Bond down. He was a big guy. He is a big guy. Sean Connery is a big man. A lot of times you get these actors and they make them look like these big macho guys, and they're five foot two, and they're not that macho looking in person. When you walk up to Sean Connery, he's a big macho, big dude. Yep, yep. So tell me, what was your main takeaway from Nancy?

We have over an hour. You know Jay, every time you interview these guys, and the guys at the top of their game, what comes across to me is just the passion. There was some level, there was a spark at some point, but it was kind of always in there to some level. And his parents took him around to those golf courses so he could kind of do that.

He went and played college golf, just I think to kind of be in the mix, but he knew at the time because he was taking broadcasting in school. So I think just that true passion, and that's why I like Cadian for you. We've talked about this. You truly have, I enjoy golf.

I don't have the passion like you do. But it's interesting to have that in life, is to have something, and that's what he's got. And that's why I think he's been good forever.

He can do any sport, and he'll be great at it forever as far as I'm concerned. How about you? What's good with you? So first of all, he's kind. And you know, I'm a sap.

We've already talked about that. But you know what, John, when, and I've seen this, and you've seen it in business, and the egoic world that we can live in, when you find a guy that's genuine, you know, and authentic like that, where for however he does this, he's 61 years old, you can still hear the little boy in him. And I love that. When I had John, we had John Daly on a couple weeks ago. It's the same sort of thing.

It's a growly little boy in there. But John Daly still has got that passion because that's how it started. Well, we can't do necessarily for our careers, hopefully we can, but a lot of us can't, what we're really passionate about and what we love to do as a kid. But there's kind of a thing in coaching when somebody's kind of lost their way, trying to figure out where they want to spend their time, is to ask them, what did you do as a kid that you love that you don't do anymore?

And most people can struggle with that. Two will say things that they don't do anymore, and you kind of encourage them to get back at it. This guy, and a lot of the guys you interview, they get to do these things.

And they've found a way to do them for their whole lives. It's pretty cool. It is pretty cool. It's special. I will say this for me, because as a kid, I didn't know I wanted to be a professional golfer, but I knew I wanted to be a professional athlete just from the way that I grew up.

I was hoping that it would be baseball, but it really wasn't defined. But it was soon, the path for me soon became clear because golf presented itself in a way where I didn't need anybody. So I don't mind being by myself and playing all that golf by myself and spending all that time alone and everything. You know, that's unusual. A lot of things are unusual about me. We don't have enough time.

He threw up his softball. Listen, I'm fragile over here. But what happens, John, for me, and parenting and things like that, where you can look at your children and look them in the eye and say these things can't happen. They're special. I don't want to say it's ordinary, but they can happen, so why not you? There's lots of different ways to do it, too.

You don't have to be the broadcaster. You and I talk about this a lot. Just some aspect, and maybe it's your hobby on the side, that kind of stuff.

A little side note. I fish once a week with a young guy in a tournament, and he just absolutely loves fishing. I said, why aren't you guiding?

Why aren't you doing professional bass fishing or something like that? He's got all these things because all these adults in his life have told him, well, you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that, that kind of stuff. And I said to him, it doesn't have to be your main means of income, but I just strongly encourage you, get out there and do more of this.

Because the guy just lights up when he's out there. And so when we find things that we light up on, figure out a way to incorporate those in your life one way or the other. I will tell you this thing where the challenge comes with that. And Kay Cockrell was on the show months and months ago where she said the whole game changed when she started playing for money.

When you start associating this love and start putting constraints on it, meaning I have to show up, I have to do it this way, it changes things a lot. Do you remember, you're the best fisherman I've ever fished with. I fished with some pro bass fishermen.

You are every bit as good as those guys are. Do you remember the time when your dad was trying to encourage you to be a professional bass fisherman? Yeah, and it just changes everything. I don't know how to say that, but what happens with the people that rise to the top of their heaps and the top of their spaces is they're able to deal with that, John. And they're able to deal with it better than everybody else.

So you get the guys that play on tour and everybody's handling it to a certain degree and the guys that rise to the top handle it even one level or two levels or multiple levels better. Well, thanks for joining me, Pearly. Me, thanks for doing your thing and thanks for listening, folks. Come back next week. We're going to have the great Bob Costas on golf with Jay Delsing. Hit them straight, St. Louis. You can find all of Jay's shows at 101 ESPN dot com, as well as at Jay Delsing Golf dot com.