Golf With Jay Delsing - - John Ulett

Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing. On The Range is brought to you by Pro-Am Golf. Hey, good morning, St. Louis.

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314-805-2132. All right, Pearl. We got a kind of a cool show. We have got an interview with the U-Man, John Hewlett, who's been working for Kishi Radio right across the street, right across the hallway from our studios here for 44 years. He's also been the public address announcer at Busch Stadium for only 37 years. So he's kind of slacked a little bit. But we got a great interview. It's going on from listening to the interview. He's new to me, but not for you guys. We think that he is the longest standing DJ in the country for one radio station.

How would you not be? That's just terrific. All right, so a couple things.

I'm trying to pick up some kind of obscure things and things that are kind of interesting. I picked up this read the other day about James Worthy. You remember the NBA Hall of Famer James Worthy? He was also played with Michael Jordan down at Carolina. And he is a golf junkie now. So golf has kind of sunk its teeth into another Hall of Famer from the hard court. And it's really interesting how we talked about how Jordan kind of tried to get him into it and he just wasn't interested at all. And he said one time, John, they were in Phoenix.

He's playing for the Lakers playing in a series against the Suns. And he was in I think the the Biltmore there in Phoenix. It's really nice place with a golf course right on on property. He said he just went out and it was like so peaceful and so calming the next day he went out and you know, brought a club with him or grab the club and started hitting some balls and just to try to get his mind off the baskets. Not that all really strong athletes can be good golfers, but he seemed to kind of have that demeanor, you know, on the basketball court and smooth and athletic as heck.

So that doesn't surprise me that it kind of kind of fit his personality. Yeah. So he also talked about how influential Davis love was while in North Carolina to get MJ to play the game.

You know, MJ's a piece hopeless for this game. Loves it. That's awesome.

Yeah, that's absolutely awesome. I remember what you remember. Remember that the the ballplayers would come out of Polly Pavilion when you and I and the other guys would be hitting golf balls in Polly Pavilion Field at UCLA and got a kick out of it because they're coming out there thinking, OK, here's these scrawny guys. Let's let's see if we can hit a couple of shots of these great big athletic race horse looking basketball players come out, pick it up and they can't make contact. They can't hit the ball before the ground.

And then you would stand up there paving and stand up there and just wail it down the middle. And it was kind of funny to kind of have those guys have that introduction. They're thinking with all their skills. This shouldn't be that hard and it's pretty hard when you first start, even if you're athletic as can be.

No question about it. And how odd was it? And is it when you see someone that I mean, I'm a you're a tall guy, you know, you're six, three, I'm six, five. We're awkward enough swinging. How about when you see somebody that's like 610 playing with like our clubs?

They're probably an inch or two short form. It's like this does not get three Oakland Raiders lessons back in the day right out of college. Wasn't one of them. Michael Haynes. Michael Haynes.

Yeah. What a great Davis and Mike Davis. First of all, they are all wonderful guys.

I mean, really good guys. Mike Haynes was of that articulate for the golf game. When you get into details and stuff and gave him several lessons and what a good guy and absolutely had a really good swing, super athletic and could have could absolutely play. But I can remember Bruce Davis.

He was a lineman. One of the first times I'm helping him and I'm helping him with his grip. And I said, you know, Bruce, you got to get your hands around a certain way. And he says, John, he opens the palm of his hands and of his 10 fingers. I want to say six of them.

I think is right. Had slits from just above the palm of his hands, three quarters of the way up his fingers. He said, my fingers get caught in the guy's helmets and twist them around and they have to untwist them and have certain pins and stuff.

A young man. He couldn't really get his hands around the grip properly. And a big man, we're driving down a car path. I got to tell you this one story. You remember PV or the backside of PV and I'm driving the car and I'm thinking, I can't keep it on the car path. And they had the big curves back. I kept hitting the curve. So I get out.

Well, he's three and a quarter or three 10 or something. The car was just listing aggressively to one side. I couldn't keep it down the middle. Remember the Flintstones when Fred orders that big of like big slab of ribs or something in the car tips over. Yeah.

I could see that happening. The football players are a whole different, entirely different animal when it comes to trying to play golf. Holy smokes. Fun guys, really good guys.

You know, they're just there, you know, the Raiders back in the day, the big bad Raiders. And these are, these guys were about as nice a gentleman as you could hope for getting to play golf with them. I wanted to give a shout out to Scotty Scheffler, rookie on tour this year.

He's a man. He's, he's currently sitting 22nd at the, the, the beginning of the tour championship week. And what a year he's had, he's made almost 3 million bucks. He's won over 75 tournaments as a, you know, as an amateur and junior golfer. And he told some cool stories when he was a kid down at Royal Oaks, down in Dallas, he would watch Randy Smith teach Justin Leonard and he just sit there and listen and listen.

And he said, half the time, I didn't even know what I was listening to, you know, and he said, now he goes out there and he and Randy are working on stuff and the kids come over and just sit there and listen. And he's got an interesting move. It is, it is not traditional. It is not traditional. Did you see his footwork?

It looks like a cross between like the dancing bear and like someone that might've had a couple too many. Unbelievable. You know, they show that a lot. I love when they show the footwork of these younger guys now. It's so not what we were taught and our guys would, teachers would look at us like you, you can't play golf from there. Weren't you, generally speaking, supposed to keep both feet on the ground most of the time?

At least one of them at a time on the ground, well planted. When you look at JT, you know, here's 160 pounds of, you know, power going through the ball. And I think at a point with that driver, there's nothing touching the ground. Once upon a time when the photo was moving into the beginning of the movie camera and there was a bed of whether horses when they ran were actually airborne that they quote flew.

And so the first kind of photos into short movies kind of prove that we're starting to see that with golfers. You never would have believed that in the past that these guys are airborne. Look at Pearly dropping a nugget. Pearly dropping a nugget on it. That's a little Pearl of wisdom right there.

Maybe a new episode. A little Pearl. You know what I mean?

I try to bring a little, I try to bring a little bit of class and a little bit of history and then that's the result I guess. Wow. Well, I mean we're going to have to make sure his microphone's on most of the time. Delete that if that was too much for this show. Well that's going to do it for the on the rink segment. No, that's terrific.

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Okay. So here's John Hewlett. I'm John Hewlett. Good to be with you today at the nation's biggest birthday party. I'm on the air from 10 to two here at Casey, 95.

And I also do news and sports. John Hewlett is brought to you by golden T we've known each other for a long time. We have so much in common.

We both love the game of golf. We were both dad, daughters, and man, what a phenomenal career that you've had in the radio with Casey. Yeah, I've, I've been lucky. I, I, you know, I knew back in 1976 when I first got the job, because initially I wasn't that interested in the job because I wanted to be a, um, baseball pick play by play announcer, you know, so music radio was kind of, you know, just a way to get my foot in the broadcasting door. And I was, I was at K U Z K when they first signed on in 1974, I was part of their first full-time air staff. And then I went to K I R L 14, 60 for a short period of time. And then I was in Jeff city and these were all music radio jobs. And, and uh, so, you know, I was a kind of so-so on them. And then I got a call from Casey and I was out of town in Jeff city and I don't know if I want to do it.

Plus it had the drug image and all that kind of stuff, even though I liked some of the music, you know? Um, so I turned it down twice supposedly. And finally Ron Stevens, who was the guy who wanted to hire me, said, uh, you've got to take this job.

You're an idiot if you don't. And I'm glad I did because not long after being there at Casey, I realized this was a special radio station, you know, it was a special thing going on here. So yep, 44 and a half years later, I'm still there. Oh, John, I think back at 16 years old, when you started at KZ, uh, KZK at 16 years old, how, uh, what that experience must've been like, you must've been walking into those studios going, man, is this pretty cool?

It was, I couldn't believe it was happening to me to be honest with you. Cause I was still at broadcast center and, uh, the fellow who was putting KZK radio on the air, the program director was teaching there on the side until they got the station up. And he offered me a weekend slot and I, Oh my gosh, of course, I'll take that. And at the last minute, he said, Hey, we need somebody to do seven to midnight Monday through Saturday. I know you're a senior in high school. Can you do it? And I had to get permission from my parents and I had to get the, uh, the school's permission at Duberg high school.

They, uh, they wrote a letter to the principal of the school and asking their permission if I could do it. And everybody signed off. Next thing I do, I was doing seven to midnight Monday through Saturday on a, on a full blown regular, you know, 100,000 watt FM radio station. I, John, it's just crazy too, because I grew up in North County, have three older sisters in case she was on all the time. And I can remember guys like mama Mason and, and the U man and, and all of your, uh, oh my gosh, you could go for Vaz, I think. And there were just, there's all these names that have stuck with me.

They've almost been part of like the, the Alexa kind of radio for me. Well, you know, that's, that's, I attribute that to Casey, uh, because as I said, it was a special radio station and, and anybody who got on it and was helping to unveil this, this new music genre, you know, FM rock radio, uh, was, uh, you know, especially if you used a real name, like I did out of the box, um, you were just going to be, um, you know, uh, appreciated and, and they knew they were going to know your name. And it just so happened that I got in, uh, not at the ground floor because by the time I got there, Casey was nine years old, but I got it there, got there at a real prime time. And, and we all just grew with the art form that was growing at the same time. Uh, uh, a generation of people like yourself and myself that was, that were also, you know, uh, growing and learning and, and getting into the music. And, um, we've all grown together. You know, we've all, it's all happened like a, like the baby boom bubble kind of all just kind of grew together with the music, the DJs, the radio station and our lives, you know, our family lives, everything.

Well, you man, and I want to talk about family later because I know how important that is to both of us, but you said you wanted to be a play by play guy, but you don't exactly have that gig, but you've got another fantastic gig with the Cardinals that you've only been doing for 37 years. I know I can, um, what happened on that was, and this was back in 1981, I guess. Yeah, 80, 82, 82. And for whatever reason, the person who was doing our news and sports in the morning, Joel Myers, I don't know if that name rings a bell. Sure.

Yeah. He, uh, he, he, he left the morning show and he didn't want to do news and sports anymore. So we were only doing one news and sports cast.

Mark Close was doing the show at the time. I said, heck, I'll do that because I can get a press pass to the Cardinals, to the blues, to the football Cardinals. And so I was doing 10 to 10 to three at the time.

I said, I'll get up early in the morning, do that one sports calf. So I got my press passes. I went to the games in the 82 when the Cardinals were really good.

They go to the world series, the radio station since the Cardinals hadn't been in the world series and well, since, since 68 said, Hey, we'll send you to wherever the Cardinals go. So I traveled on airplanes with Stan Musial and and Jack Buck and, and, uh, the whole Cardinal entourage and the media. And I just got to know some people in the organization. And when Joel Meyers quit after the 82 season, they asked me if I wanted to do it. Now, if I wouldn't have volunteered and stepped up that that one time when somebody said, Hey, we need somebody to do sports and newscasts and Kashi, I would never have been in line to get the job. So it was just complete luck, you know, but anyway, another reason, another reason I did it because like you said, I had that drive to be in sports. So that seemed like a, a nice little stepping stone for me, you know? And what a phenomenal way to kind of partly both of them.

And now you also have this little thing called professor, you man on the Cardinals kids channel, which is really fun. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, yeah, that kind of happened. Well, you know, and, and I just know some people want to give it a shot. And I said, Oh, well, I'm not an actor, but I can, I'll try to be a, you know, the liaison between the bits that Fred bird's doing and the commercials that run and, and, uh, you know, do some, some, uh, um, had Libyan, I guess if you will in between and all of a sudden they said, Hey, uh, we want to develop this character.

Do you think you can pull off PU professor? You man. And I said, well, I'll give it a try and, uh, and it's worked out. I've always had a little bit of ham in me anyway, so it kind of, it kind of scratched an itch, you know, and, uh, yeah, we've been doing it now for about 15 years. And, uh, Jim Veman is the guy who, who writes edits, uh, tapes it with, uh, you know, shoots it with the camera.

Um, does everything. It's amazing what that guy's able to do. And he's, he's the one that's made this whole thing happen.

Oh gosh. So I am visiting with John, uh, you lit here. Um, gosh, long time radio disc jockey with Keishi FM and with, uh, 37 years with the Cardinals as the public address announcer, you met one of the things I thought was so interesting when I was doing some prep and stuff for this was, um, some of the people, not only in rock, but also in sport, you have got this unbelievable crossover that some people would die for. Who are some of the greatest people that you've got to hang out with, talk with, uh, whether it's sports, whether it's music or whatever, it's anything.

Yeah. And they're both my loves, you know, uh, sports and music and, and it just worked out that I was able to, to fall in line and make a living at, at both of them. And, you know, I mean, there, there were opportunities to, you know, do other things possibly along the way, but I felt like I was right where I needed to be. Cause cause cause cause of my love for both sports and music.

And, um, you know, I just decided I was going to hang on and then do it for as long as I could. And I keep looking over my shoulder, keep waiting for somebody to tap me on that shoulder and say, Hey, uh, somebody else's turn, but so far so good. You man, in 2010, you were inducted into St. Louis radio hall of fame among many, many honors, but how about receiving world series rings from the organization? That's a pretty classy move by the Cardinal. No surprise really. Is it? No. Yeah.

You're dead right about that. Um, yeah, that was, that was a big thrill. And, uh, I got, I got two of them, um, cause, uh, the first world series I did for them as a PA announcer was 85 and you know how that one turned out, uh, then 87, you know how that turned out. So then 2004 and that didn't work out very well, even though they had a really, really good team that year.

So it was 2006 and 2011 are the two that I got that are winners. So I got rings from both, but I have three daughters, you know, and the third daughter's like, come on, let's get a third one. I have, I'm lucky that the Cardinals are also kind of give me a national league championship series rings when those happen. But, but that world series ring is what she wants. You know, my youngest, Sophia, she keeps, she keeps saying, uh, don't you give that job up until you get that third ring. Yeah, dad, she's a, she's kicking you out and send you to the office, man. Keep on going.

Um, that is just fantastic. So you, man, let's talk a little bit about the way you grew up. Um, I think we kind of, uh, you were more in the city.

I was up in North County, but talk to the folks a little bit about the, the background that you have, because the stuff that I read, you're so appreciative of what your parents and grandparents did for you. And, and you saw some pretty, pretty difficult stuff in the city where you grew up, didn't you? Yeah, we did. Uh, my brother and I, um, yeah, they, uh, you know, uh, everything, I guess that we, almost everything that we could have seen and experienced back then, we, we did.

And, uh, that includes everything from, you know, violence, uh, robbery. I saw, uh, people shot and killed, uh, to, uh, the Catholic church and, uh, you know, the, the, um, uh, sexual abuse thing. It was right in the heart of our parish down there. Right in the heart of our parish down there, uh, to, to, to some of the boys.

I want to get to, to specific about that, but, um, yeah, it was not a good situation, not a good scene, but, you know, we didn't know any better. And, uh, you know, my parents and the grandparents were doing the best they could. And that's, you know, my grandfather came from, uh, Lebanon and emigrated to the United States in, um, 1918, the year of the pandemic and, um, settled there and, and bought that, uh, two family flat. And, uh, you know, my mother was raised there and my brother and I were both raised there. So, um, you know, it was just, uh, it was home, it was home. And, and even though they, and we all knew that there were, you know, difficult things going on back then, uh, we, we just persevered and, you know, we just, they, they told us that, uh, you know, keep working hard, whatever you do and, you know, better things will happen. And I can remember thinking everybody who lived west of grand Avenue was rich, man. And that's, that's what I wanted to get.

I wanted to get west of grand Avenue. And so, uh, you know, we, we, we survived it and, uh, yeah, but it was, it was difficult and, you know, it, uh, your environment makes you who you are, you know, and we, we learned a lot about, um, you know, being a close knit family and loving each other. And then, uh, um, you know, working hard and striving for what you want, not, not let any good thing get in the way. And until you reach your goals, you know, not, not everybody's lucky enough to do that. And I realized that, but, uh, it worked for us, you know, my brother's electrician been electrician for 40 some odd years, you know, he's done well with his life. So yeah, it's pretty cool.

You may have to know that it's, uh, it's pretty cool to know and to learn how you can count on people that way. Right. And then, cause you're a dad, you have three daughters, I have four daughters.

It's in there. They mean everything to us. And it's so important as the dad of daughters to have that strong kind of safe male influence. And, and I know we were very like-minded on a lot of those things. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, being a daughter of dads, I mean, you know, it's amazing too. I remember before I even had my children, I had a vision that that's exactly what was going to happen for me, that I was going to be a father of daughters and I'll be done if it didn't work out that way. And I felt like I was prepared for it because I, it was something that I, that I thought that I'd be good at, you know, and I know most, most, a lot of guys, you know, would love to have sons and sure. We've been great to have a son too, but not at one second. Was I ever disappointed that I was the father of daughters.

It was like, it was like, it was meant to be, you know, and I felt like I was being given, uh, what, um, I guess you could say, God, uh, figured that I'd be, I'd be able to handle, you know, and I just, we all love each other so much. I love them. I miss them, you know, you know how that goes. Well, yeah.

You, you raised them to be strong and independent and then they actually turn out that way. And you're like, aren't you guys coming back? Like that. You know, the emptiness syndrome for me is it's been the toughest thing. One of the toughest things I've ever had to deal with in my life. Even going back to when, you know, we were kids and we grew up in that environment, you know, I think that environment, John is so interesting nowadays. Cause we still have a lot of racial strife. We still got a lot of issues. There's gosh, so much social media, so much media in general.

And there's, you know, everybody's got a platform, you know, and everybody can call you, whatever they want to call you and, you know, hide behind a Twitter handle or something like that. And it just is a, it's, it's a, it's a, such a more complicated time. But when I look back to the simpleness of the life that we had as kids and the fact that somehow my parents taught us that everything was going to be okay. Same with you work hard, you know, keep your head down, work hard, be respectful, you know, and, and things are going to work out okay. And you know, that's, I had no idea how fortunate I was to have that kind of ingrained in me. And I know, I think, I think that's what you're, what you're kind of discussing as well.

Yeah, I, I, I agree with you. I mean, you know, and I've stopped many times along the way and thought to myself, wow, what if I, if I wouldn't have come from, from the people that I came from, how would I be handling some of the things that I've run into in my life over all these years? You know, I can't imagine somebody who doesn't have that type of support because they, where do they get their answers from? You know, how, how do they, how do they solve issues that come along if they had never had anybody ever guiding them, you know, in a, in a very fundamental way and how to handle issues and things in your life, you know, like, and I know there's a lot of people out there who, you know, have struggled in that regard.

And then you also hear the stories of people who had nothing like that, and they turn into very successful people too. So, you know, there's no, I guess there's no formula. All right. That's going to wrap up the first half of the U-man interview, and it's going to end the front nine, but don't go anywhere. We're going to finish up that interview on the back nine. This is golf with Jay Delson. Are your workouts more fun than this?

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Number seven, first baseman Matt Holliday. John Ulit is brought to you by Golden Tee. Tell the listeners a little bit about your love for the game. I know you love the game. I know you're a sportsman in general. Yeah, I didn't start playing until I was about 25 years old, and I don't know where I ended up getting my first set of clubs, but I played with them for about two and a half, three years before I found out they were ladies clubs, and the bumblebee ingrained on the back of the iron should have been a clue, I guess. That is absolutely fantastic, man. Gosh, I'm trying to think, you man, because I should know what iron that is because of the way I grew up around all those clubs.

Maybe I'll come up with it by the end of the show. Yeah, you know how it is. Once you get hooked, and I was always into sports, playing softball. I loved playing softball. We played on four teams every summer, almost every night of the week, tournaments on the weekends, and then all of a sudden I got turned on to golf, and I just immediately fell in love with it.

It scratches the itch that I have, a few of them. One is I can be a real loner sometimes, all right? I really enjoy a lot of times just getting on the golf course by myself, playing and just my thoughts and my play-by-play of what I'm doing, and I can have one hell of a time for about four hours, three and a half, four hours. I always walk.

I carry my bag. I walk 18 holes to this very day because that's part of my workout, and I love the exercise that comes with it as well. Then of course, I love going out with my buddies and playing as well and all, but it's just that. There's a thing about me too, and I guess it's kind of setting my career, how I'm just going to show up every damn day, man, and I'm going to try as hard as I can every day. That's what golf teaches me too, that it's a hard game, and you're going to get your butt kicked most of the times you're out there, but you can't give up. I don't care if you have two nines in the last three holes. You finish this round, and you give it the best you can till it's over because who knows on that back nine, you might shoot 39 or 40 or whatever. It's about perseverance, and that's one of the things that I really respect about people, people who have perseverance.

The turtle is one of my favorite animals. It's just slow and steady, dude, slow and steady. The game kind of falls on that line for me too. I'm relaxed. When I'm playing golf, I'm not thinking about anything else. You know you, man. You're the first guy that I've had on the show to talk about the solitude of golf.

It's one of the things that I love about it too, where it's pretty much look yourself in the mirror and take responsibility, man. For what I did, I was my number. For today, I was 74. Yesterday, I was 68.

Tomorrow, I might be 80. I don't know, but it's one of those things. I think it really taught me personal responsibility, and I loved the fact that as a kid, I could just grab my clubs. I grew up on a little muni course up in North St. Louis and just walk and hit and not have anybody tell me, oh, we can't play anymore because we don't have enough kids. It's really interesting. And then the camaraderie piece that you talked about is just wonderful. Yeah, the camaraderie, the business, how many business deals have gone well because of the game of golf. And another thing I like too is learning about the grasses and the agronomy and there's science involved in it.

I'm far from being a scientist, that's for sure. But I love learning the different aspects of why they made the course go this way, why it's designed that way, the textures of the different fans, just all kinds of different things that go into the game of golf that I love talking about too with people. And if somebody who's not into golf, unfortunately, none of my daughters really ever had much interest in the game.

My wife doesn't play. And they'll hear me talking on the phone to a buddy about some of this stuff and they'll just look at me and go, What's wrong with you? You're so so off the the mainstream with it. Sometimes I get so into it, you know, talking about the different players and their skills and their tendencies and things like that. It's just to me, it's just a hoot.

And it really is human. Did you did you get to go out to the PGA Championship at Bell Reef? You know, about a year and a half ago or so? Yeah, it was absolutely spectacular. And we both love this city.

And but but you man, have you ever seen? I mean, especially for golf, and we've been part of baseball parades and celebrations, but what the way St. Louis showed up for that PGA Championship was just remarkable. Yeah, and did have Tiger Woods say what he said. I mean, I thought that was that I got chills on my spine when I heard him say what he said about the St. Louis crowd, you know, because we've never had a chance to see him up to that point to every time he came here prior to that there was an issue. It was 911 he was supposed to play here that got canceled. He drove his car from St. Louis to his home in Florida by himself because there were no airplane flights after that. And then when he was supposed to be here again, I don't remember the year, but he had had had knee surgery and he had to pull out of the tournament.

So we've never seen him up until that point. And man, St. Louis just came out a because it was the PGA Championship and the 100 year of it, you know, and all the great players that come along with it. But also that they've never had Tiger Woods play in our town before. I just thought that was so cool. If he'd have just pulled off that victory, my God, that would have been so awesome that his comeback first comeback win would have been right here in St. Louis.

And Bell Reed, we'd have been on all over the golf channel about that for decades. And you've been it was almost like he did when everybody forgets and Koepka won. But you know, for me, and watching what you know, what Tiger did on Sunday is he was kind of reclaiming the tours like, Hey, boys, I'm back. I'm feeling better.

Yeah, you're gonna have to deal with me. Yeah, I guess Yeah, I guess that's the biggest positive to come out of that. As far as he goes, is his connection with St. Louis goes is this was the place he showed everybody that he was back. Yeah, yeah, it was just fantastic. Well, you man, I really appreciate the time I wanted to ask you one other thing with all the different rock legends and all the different, you know, sports people you've hung around with. Was there any meeting or any conversation that you had that that sticks out to you? Because I can remember when I first got to meet Stan Musial, it was like, and I felt the same way with Arnold Palmer, I felt like I was amongst royalty. And I'll never forget those experiences.

And I just wanted to know if you had anything like that. Boy, as far as rock artists go, I'll tell you what I had what happened here not too long ago. And he's, he's not a heavier rock artist, you know, Casey's more and more heavy classic rock.

Here's one that kind of happened recently with Kenny Loggins. He wrote the song House at Pooh Corner. And he also wrote a song called forever.

And they're both very touchy songs. And my daughter Olivia and I were trying to decide what song we were going to dance to at her wedding. And so I said to her, you know what, I'm going to be interviewing Kenny Loggins here in a matter of a week or so. How about we let him decide which of those two songs we dance to?

And sure enough, I put the question to him. And he said, Hey, House at Pooh Corner is the one to go with because forever is about losing someone actually, I mean, it sounds like it's something about you would love somebody forever. But it's actually about losing someone. So House at Pooh Corner would be the choice. And that's the one we dance to.

And it came from the artist himself with the you know, with that advice. You man how I'm a grandfather now Mackenzie just had a little girl. Of course, we do girls around here. I've got a granddaughter who was born on March 4. But how about the walk down the aisle? And what was the hardest part for you for your for your wedding? Well, you know, I'm crying for both of them, you know, up to two of my three have been married.

I've gotten married. And Olivia did turn to me at some point because she was concerned about how the pictures are going to look. She said, Yeah, you got a smile, man. You can't keep crying like this. And that kind of cracked me up.

And so I started laughing and, and it got better from there. But yeah, you know, I can barely talk about it, to be honest with you. It's, it's very emotional, because you love them so much. And, you know, you know, this is a big, big step in their lives, just like it was for you in your life. And they, they got to go on, they got to do it, they got to do it without you. We're not totally without you.

But you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And it was very emotional for me.

It was very, it was that there are a lot of bad pictures of me coming down the aisle for both of them. I've got those two. We just deleted those. And Jen, I think when we were talking earlier, you had a kind of an interesting story happened with Alice Cooper, didn't you? That's right. Yeah, I was playing. He was looking to play golf. He plays golf every day.

I think it is. And he says that it was golf that rescued him from from alcoholism and drug drug addiction. Maybe I thought maybe just alcoholism. But anyway, he came to town, he wanted to play golf, and he got hold of somebody to the radio station. And myself and my friend Mark emo met him somewhere picked him up and drove him out to quail Creek golf course in South County.

And else Alice is a pretty decent player. You know, I would say he probably shot like 78 that day. As a matter of fact, it was 70.

I got the scorecard. So afterwards, he had to get back down to Pete's records to do a show on top of the record store there on Hampton and Chippewa. We were running late. And so he jumped in my car and we're heading up test on ferry towards 270. And the traffic backs up. So I decided I'm gonna take a side route.

I made a right turn off of there on maybe Kennerley or something like that. And sure enough, some guy pulls out of Dearberg's parking lot and slams into the car and bust the front axle. We weren't going anywhere. And so Alice Cooper is in my car going, Oh, man, I'm gonna miss this show. So I called emo. And we had to go into the Walgreens to pay phone to call emo. And then while we're in there, we got a soda and some Cheetos. And we sat on the curb waiting for Mark emo to come and pick us up. And took Alice Cooper down to the show.

But yeah, I still have this mental picture of Alice Cooper's head in the roof of my car right at the impact of that accident. You meant we have Alice Cooper. We have Cheetos. And we have soda.

I mean, and we also have golf. I mean, we've got all the major groups covered here. Yeah, until this day, every once in a while, one of our listeners will run into him somewhere and they'll ask him about that. Yeah, yeah, he's tired of hearing about it. Oh, you know what's interesting about Alice Cooper, Jen, when I've met him and talked to him, he is highly intelligent guy, isn't he? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, very, very normal. You know, he carved out this image of himself being, you know, crazy and, you know, out of control. But that's just the show. And that's just the persona of Alice Cooper, the real guy Vincent Fornier, which is his real name.

He's as normal a dude as you'll find Vincent Fornier as Alice Cooper. Oh, man. Remember when schools out when he first released schools out? I'm like, Oh, man, schools out. Let's go play golf.

That's all. Yeah, it's funny how we tie different songs into our paths like that. But yeah, that's that's a good one. Yeah, you know, you made last thing, one of the things that I just love so much about music is it can transport us back into a certain time where this song can can mean this to us.

You talked about your daughter's weddings and how special those moments are. And, and, you know, I just mentioned the schools out song. There's things like that about music that that that form of art that is so special, man, I just love it.

Absolutely. I mean, today, I'll hear songs. And I'll get emotional because it takes me back those those times in my life and certain things were going on or certain people who were in my life at that time.

And yeah, it's just getting stronger and stronger the older I get the connection to my past that that music represents. Well, Jeff, thank you so much for for joining me today. And gosh, I love it.

I really appreciate the time. Oh, thank you for having me, Jay. And congratulations on your great career and all you're doing your broadcasting and everything. And that's your you've got pretty much the same thing I got going here. You got your love of sports.

And now you got broadcasting as well. And you're doing great. You do a good job, man. Thank you. And that's going to wrap up the U-man interview.

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There's a lot of fun. You got to talk more about him. Like I said he's new to me. The things that caught my eye with him as much as anything that's kind of your expression behind. He's kind of a magnet to people and opportunities and much like Michael Collins who you interviewed a week or so ago.

He's willing to just kind of jump in if something feels like it might be okay might not be but might be interesting. Let's say they jump in and do it. Not a lot of people do that and it's paid off for both of those guys and certainly did for as you call them the U-man. Yep let me ask you this. I'd love to take credit for giving the U-man his nickname and moniker but it's been around forever.

But 44 years of doing anything and still being able to stay look there's you can call what you want. It's competition man and staying relevant and also staying sharp and also delivering a product. And here he is but how the he's got this. Several products by the way.

Several gigs going at the same time. With the radio and then he's got the cardinals and he brings this coolness to the room that's really hard to put your finger on. He's relaxed. He's smart. He's one of these guys that just man he just he just has something about him that makes you want to go hang out with him or listen to him. When he tells a story you're like yeah. Some of those guys they're the least impressed with with themselves of all the rest of us can get impressed with. They kind of go that's so cool look what you've done and he's kind of like well yeah yeah it's it's been he's loving what he's done and he feels very fortunate which a lot of them talk about as well the guys that are successful.

So it's interesting. John it's humility. That's a great catch because that is what when I think of him I think of how how are people how are certain people able to stay humble yet really committed and confident.

You know because in our society now we think you got to be run over with this confidence which we both know as fake confidence. Where you got a guy like John Hewlett who's just a a kind person first and foremost smart and just. Well there's there's a formula probably or at least parts of it for the longevity. You know all the in your face and up and down and you know dazzle razzle dazzle stuff lasts a weekend.

And you need a little bit more than that when you're going for 44 years. Yep terrific. Okay I gotta mention this Harold Varner story. So with all the social unrest and we're not getting into that on our show. We all know about it. Yeah we we can't even hide from it.

It's been if we wanted to it's it's all over the place. So Harold is a African-American guy been on tour for six or eight years now and really had some nice success. He really has had some nice success. He's from North Carolina and they talked to him in this interview and stuff that I read about just what's going on and wanting you know he's all and he said in the interview he said he said in the interview I'm almost required because I'm a man of color to you know tell you what I think. And you know what he said I'm all about personal responsibility. I'm all about accountability.

I'm all about my parents sacrifice for me for many things but what they did best for me was help me understand how to handle myself in situations before I was thrown into them. You know when he talks about using his manners and and talks about really the the the one of the things that we you and I learned at our earliest age about the golden rule he talks about treating people well. Yes ma'am no ma'am yes sir no sir he mentioned and I'll tell you what those responses in this culture are extremely brave extremely honest because he didn't toe because he didn't toe the line. You know he told he told he told no line and that's what I love about you know we are really about trying to stay authentic on this show. We have some screwball points of view I know I sure do you got to know it again but but the the fact is it's true to how we see it and you know you don't have to agree with us you might laugh at us you might not you might turn the thing off but what he did was stay you know just stay real you know and he's like come on we need to listen to each other it's real basic stuff when they were you know I keep feeling like they prod people now and prod them to look to see if they're going to say something crazy ridiculous you know that's that's going to be wild enough to be newsworthy for more than a day right and all the stuff he said was just wonderful yeah it was it was it was just it was him it's what he believes and to me whether I agree with it or not in this case I happen to you got to respect that yeah no absolutely nobody nobody really listens to one another much anymore it's kind of like you you turn on the tv and there's these panels that are screaming at one another and talking over each other anyway well that's going to do it for another show I want to thank Bob and Kathy Donahue again three one four eight zero five twenty one thirty two that's the number for Donahue painting and refinishing call them they do great stuff safely around your house um really thanks thank you Jay this is fun meet thanks for taking care of us and don't give pearly any of your sniper balls just you got it you got it uh this is golf with Jay Delsing hit them straight Saint Louis that was golf with Jay Delsing brought to you by Whitmore Country Club tune in next Sunday for more from Jay John and the other pros and experts from the golf world in the meantime you can find all of Jay's shows at 101 ESPN.com as well as at jdelsongolf.com