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Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour, and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing. On The Range is brought to you by Pro and Golf. Good morning. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. Pro, he's with me down. What's going on this morning? I am ready.

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He's got a radio show on 590 here in town, and his kids are great golfers, and so we got a neat little sit down with him to tell you about. But let's start with something that I thought was kind of interesting. So you and I have had this conversation on and off for months since this pandemic hit, and no spectators, no spectators, how can, I mean, why couldn't we have 10,000 spectators? You could keep them 10 feet apart on all the room out there and stuff, but so it is what it is, right?

They're not allowed. Last week at the Zozo tournament, Justin Thomas kind of flubbed the back nine, shot even par, not holding a 54 hole lead, and lost the tournament by a shot to Patrick Kentley, and said after the round that he's really got to do something different here to figure out a way to keep his mojo going, and this killer instinct that he's learned to develop when he's under pressure, and he doesn't know how to do it without people. That's interesting. Rory has said a little bit about that too, and some of the guys have struggled. What do you think about that? So, Jon, I don't know because I wasn't in the situation like they were in so often. Okay, no, no, but there's plenty of times what I carry for you that we played and there was nobody watching, and there was plenty of times when there was a whole bunch of people. So, how did that affect you differently? Oh, man, there was energy with those people.

No doubt about it. There is energy, there is excitement, there is the sense that something... I always had the sense that something great was going to happen, or something fun was going to happen, or maybe something. Something was going to happen. Something would happen. It could be great. I was hoping it would be great, but it wasn't always that way. I'm with you, and I don't know exactly how you explain it. I'm sure the listeners can all have different examples in their life, different scenarios, but the energy when both sides of the fairway were full of people and the greens were stacked, or we're coming down 18.

I can remember brown deer in particular. Up in Milwaukee, yes. And the stands are packed. We're playing with other great players. There's just a different energy, and man, it's a fun day.

So, I can see a little bit where they're coming from. And a guy like Justin, who's got more money than he could spend the rest of his life, and probably his kids, and his kids' kids, what are you playing for? And probably some of the showmanship, being out there, having all that energy. I think one of the things that happens, John, is that there's a way to continue that adrenaline rush with the cheers, and it almost makes what you did bigger, right? Because you're out there, and let's say he holds a chip for eagle or something, and now it's a two-shot swing, and there's no one there to acknowledge it? I love what you just said, to make it bigger.

There's no doubt it makes it bigger, because at the end of the day, it's a pod, it's an eagle or whatever the case is. But if the place is going crazy, or you haven't even hit the shot yet, and it's going crazy on another hole, it's just that electricity, that energy out there. Just the way I'm describing this, at least I'm kind of reminiscing a little bit in my old noggin here, it just kind of carries you around.

Those were the days that were like a snap of the fingers, and it was just great. And the times you played great, but not necessarily in front of people, versus the times you played great in front of a whole bunch of people, both a lot of fun, but no comparison with what there's a whole lot of people. John, because I've played so long, I've had so many people come to me and say, I remember this shot you hit.

And for that to have an impact on them, that's what we're talking about here. Did they have to duck? I hit them. Like you hit it and it went in my wife's purse.

I'm like, what was she doing in the fairway? But one of those things, seriously, when you do something that this son and daughter and dad and mom are talking about at the dinner table or something, it's a pretty cool feeling. Okay, on this subject, let me, sorry, interrupt you.

What's the most jacked up or influenced that the crowd ever had on you? Two come to mind. Oh, I'm surprised you know them. Specific. Of course, because they're awesome.

They're awesome. So I made a hole-in-one on, you were right behind me, hole-in-one on 16 at Phoenix Open on the 16th hole on Saturday in front of the TPC. I don't know how many people. Well- 30,000 people?

A ton, as many as could fit there. Right, right. And John, it was unbelievable feeling. It was just, you know, I've made a lot of hole-in-ones.

I really have. But that was like something, man, I can put myself in that place right now. And there was, and it might've even been the same year, may have been a year or two before, but the ninth hole at Riviera, I hit a shot on Sunday. I was playing in one of the last groups, and I hit a six iron into this back left hole location at Riviera. And Pearl, I had hit it over the flag stick, but the back of the green, as you know, slopes back towards the center. And all those people started cheering because this ball started rolling and rolling.

And you know how that is. You could barely see the flag stick, much less the surface of the green. So you have no, and I'm thinking it's going in. And this was for, it seemed like 10 minutes, probably only 30 seconds or something, but my ball winds up hanging on the lip and not going in for eagle, or maybe it did go in, whatever it was. But John, as these cheers were coming for the shot of it, the hair on my arm stood up.

It was just like, oh my gosh, this is unbelievably cool. And I have some other stories we can talk about. No, we're talking about the ones where the crowd, I had my one, I'm up there playing the Canadian tour and I'm playing with Dave Barr, one of the best Canadian tour players, and then our buddy of all people, Louis Barletti, playing up in Quebec City. And then he kind of had the 18th hole. Well, first hole the fans were lying in the fairway and Louis and I looked at each other like, can we keep it in between these people? So I said, this is pretty good.

Dave Barr could. Yes, straight off my cuff. Louis says, can you keep it in between these people?

I said, I'm going over them. I was really nervous about it, but coming down the stretch, we'd all hit the green in the last hole, made bombs. The people were going absolutely crazy. And it was just that energy. It was just so much fun. So I can remember, Caddy, for you multiple times when it was like that. And I get it. There's a lot of extra bonus to be in that situation. So I know where he's coming from. And I think especially those guys, that's what they're out there for.

They don't need any money anymore. Well, you know, JT has had 14 54 hole leads in his career and won five. So he's got nine times where he's walking away feeling, you know, man, this is what it is. Are those not not too bad odds, really? No, I mean, I don't know. I just, you know, I was interested to see how many times he does.

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He's won two Edward R. Murrow awards, 20 Missouri Broadcaster Association awards. This guy, he was a great athlete, played some high school basketball, then played at UMSL. Let's go listen to this interview with Frank Cusimano. Now, here it comes. Oh my goodness. Oh, wow.

In your life have you seen anything like that? Frank Cusimano is brought to you by Golden Tee. Gosh, Frank, it's a long time since we competed in basketball, which takes us back to our high school years that we'll get to. But my gosh, I look over the accomplishments that you've had.

The Missouri Sports Hall of Fame in 2018, the National Catholic Education Hall of Fame, the UMSL Hall of Fame, the DeSmet Hall of Fame. Man, you got some Hall of Fames on your mantle, man. You've had just a phenomenal career. You've been able to be in sports. You've been in the hometown that you love. Just congratulations.

Well, I appreciate it. Some people want to be doctors and other people want to be lawyers. All I've ever wanted to do is talk about sports on radio and television in St. Louis. So this is what I envisioned when I was like six years old, when I was a lady of the pillar and the big eighth graders would come around me on the parking lot and they'd surround me and they'd say New Orleans Saints. I'd say Billy Kilmer, Minnesota Vikings, Frantz Harkins. I'd memorized all the quarterbacks at a young age.

So I kind of been prepping for this for a long time. Yeah, and it shows. I mean, I look back, Frank, and some of the, well, let's talk a little bit about our high school. You played on just an absolute powerhouse team at DeSmet. 63 games in a row that you guys won state championships. I know down at the U High, we added to plenty of those victories for you guys, but what a team and that has to be some great memories.

Yeah, it really is. You know, I was just fortunate that my parents decided to have a baby a year after the Stepanovich's did. So I got to go to DeSmet and play with a seven foot all American who was the second pick in the draft. And I also got to play for who I think is the greatest high school coach we've ever had in our town in rich grower. And you know, even though my basketball career ended at UMSL when I was 22, some of the things that I learned from coach grower and being a part of all that success, you know, stay with me today. I think, you know, with the exception of my dad, coach grower had maybe the most influence on my life. You know, it's interesting, Frank, I had Dan Deardorff on the show a while back and we talked about some of the influences in his life, Don Coriell, Bo Schembeckler and things like that. And for young men, those coaches are really important in certain parts of our life, aren't they?

Oh, they really are. And, you know, when you see coach grower, you know, give us a scouting report of like eight pages. And we knew that like when we played stainless shoe high, what j delsing go to his left because he doesn't dribble the ball well with his left. We knew exactly what all of our opponents were doing.

He was the most organized, the most prepared. And, you know, let's face it in television, it's about organization and being prepared and putting in the time. It's, it's not that it's not that different than from basketball. No, it's, it's interesting. It was good.

Excuse me. I was going to ask you, Frank, what was, was there anything in particular that coach grower taught you that still stands out in your mind today? Well, I can remember like one Sunday afternoon going up to the Smet and going to my locker because I had forgotten a book and I happened to walk past the coach's office and it's like a Sunday afternoon at 1130 and there he was looking at tape of a future opponent.

I think it was CBC and he said, Hey, come in here. See what they do here on this zone. This is the way we can attack this thing. I'm thinking we're not playing CBC for six days, but here is a man that is so intense on being successful and trying to get a little edge. I mean, that's what life's about. I mean, it's, it's about, you know, over preparing and working hard and working harder than your opponent.

Yeah, no, it really is Frank. And as I look back on my golf career and things like that, I realize how so many guys did things better than I did. And if I wasn't so wrapped up in trying to, you know, figure out my own game, I may have learned so much, uh, from those guys, but doing the television and being more of a spectator really points that out. Oh my goodness. Yeah. If people only knew what you had to do just to put together, you know, a three and a half minute sports cast every night from, you know, editing, you know, the video in the right way to putting in the right tire ons for voicing the package with the right inflection. I mean, look, I know it's not rocket science, but you got to put in the time if you want to have a respectable show.

Yeah. There's so much that you do, Frank. I mean, when 17 Emmys to Edward, Edward R Moore Murrow awards, um, 20 Missouri Broadcaster Association awards, just the list goes on and on. I love the fact that you're a voting member of the Cardinal hall of fame and you also have a vote for the Heisman of all those things are earned, man.

They just don't, you know, just walk in the door and people slap these things on you. Well, another guy that really helped me a lot was the man who hired me at channel five, Mike Bush and J out of pay. I used to send back tapes to St. Louis when I was in Tennessee and Kentucky and I could fill a, you know, a Bush stadium section of seats with rejection letters, but Mike was the only guy who believed in me. And boy, you talk about, you know, getting your masters, uh, in television, learning under Mike Bush. Um, he taught me the value of a package. You know, I, I don't mind, you know, I like doing sports casts and that's great, but what I enjoy most is telling a story, telling a story about somebody who are, who our town maybe doesn't know that much about and doing it with, you know, with your verbs coming alive, with the right music, with the right still photos, with the right video. I mean, they want to ask the great writer, red Smith.

It must be easy for you to write a column. And he said, yeah, I just pop a vein and bleed all over the paper. And that's the way I feel sometimes that you got to lay it all out there. I mean, you, if you don't give it your best shot, then it's a waste of your time and most importantly air time. So if you've got the right subject, if you can tell a really good story, then pull out all the stops, you know, take your best shot, make it your best work.

No, absolutely. Frank. I mean, all of you are saying, even in an art, as I'm sitting here listening today, I can feel your intention. I can feel how, how much it means to you. It's you've hosted the press box on KFNS for 25 years, which is a really fun. Listen, you've had great guests over the years. I wanted to talk a little bit about let's, let's go back when you intern for Bob Casas. I had Bob on the show early this summer.

And this guy is like a walking, talking encyclopedia of baseball and sport information. And I also know that one of my dear friends, favorite guys, Jay Randolph senior had some influence on you early in your career. Yes, because I interned at Camel X my freshman year at UMSL when Bob was there, and then we became friends.

And then I interned at channel five, my senior year under Jay Randolph. So those are two great mentors, but every once in a while, somebody will say to me that doesn't really know the business. Well, why can't you be as good as Bob Casas? That that's like asking, um, um, a basketball player at St. Louis shoe. Why can't you be as good as Michael Jordan? I mean, Bob, although he's worked at his craft, has that incredible natural ability. Jay, I remember one time, um, I would say, uh, I was senior in college and Bob said to me, why don't you come up to New York?

You can spend the weekend and you can watch an NFL live show. So I went up there and, um, he said, oh, I got to go into this studio and voice a promo for an upcoming AFC wildcard game. And I said, well, where's your script?

He says, I don't have one. So they just pop the video up. And he says, this man, Vinny Tester Verity, who threw for 16 touchdowns this year, we'll go against this defense of the Baltimore. I mean, Jay, he did the whole thing. One time it lasted for like two and a half minutes.

It was flawless. And I thought to myself, this is like a basketball player having a vertical jump 38. When God weighed the talent wand over Bob Casas, he just lingered a little bit longer.

Yeah, there's no question. I mean, when I had him on the show, he told this story about coming into St. Louis, interviewing with Bob Hyland and Jack buck, and then going over to Stan Musial and biggies because he'd heard Stan had a restaurant there and he left three, $1 bills, a quarter, a diamond, a penny for a tip after having a Coke and a cheeseburger because Stan Musial's lifetime batting average was three 36. And I'm like, wait a second at 22 years old.

I mean, who knows that Bob? And he's like, I do that. Yeah. I've heard that story.

That is awesome. And then, and then Jay Randolph, um, at channel five, what I really take away from Jay is just, and you know him better than I do, or as well as I do is just the dignity and the way he treats people and the way he was just so positive to be around. I mean, Jay, there was one time, um, I'm interning and there's no producer there that night.

So I kind of produced the show for Jay and keep in mind, I'm a senior in college. Jay was at the track and he was having a great day. And so it was really getting late. It was like a quarter to 10.

He wasn't back. So I had the whole show ready and I grabbed an old sport coat of art holidays and put a tie on and it's like 10 o'clock and he's still not there. He's going on at 10 20. Then all of a sudden he comes in and he sees me practicing. He says, what do you think you're doing?

Young man, give me those scripts. So he goes out and delivers his flawless four minutes forecast. And then after the commercial break and he's got to be out there on the four shot, he comes back into the sports office and he's moving kind of quick and he grabs his briefcase and he puts it right outside the door where you're gonna leave. I said, What are you doing? Jay goes, Well, I'm going back to the track for races 11 and 12.

What a what a what a simpler time, Frank, what a simpler time back. Yeah, that's gonna wrap up the front nine and the first part of the kusumato interview. So don't go anywhere, folks. We will be right back on the back nine.

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Any place. Frank Cusimano is brought to you by Golden team. I love the fact that in 93 Mike Bush did call you I think you were in Lexington and said come on home and your families here. I let's shift a little bit to golf. I know basketball is really where your heart and soul is. But you love the game of golf and your daughter, Brooke and your son Alex played Division One golf and are really good accomplished golfers in their own right. Yeah, it was, you know, in my household, the three of them, they all knew they had to play basketball because that was our family sport.

But I also know that if you're six feet and you don't have a vertical jump, or if you're broken, you're five four, you're not gonna vertical jump, you're probably not gonna play in college. So they I let I let them kind of choose, hey, what else do you want to do? So we tried everything. And they just really took to golf and we got to know Dale Boggs. So literally, Dale Boggs runs golf for driving range, as you know, we would get in the family van every night. And I this is why I work two nights a week at Channel five, but like we're talking four to five nights a week. And we would get in the van and we go to the driving range and we go to the gym too. And you know, Don would go hit baseballs and batting cage but Brooke and Alex would go hit balls. And we try to make it as fun as possible.

We would go to, you know, 711 for slurpees, we go for ice cream, we go to the dollar store, pick up some fun things. But we always kind of get our work in. I used to tell them, hey, every time you practice, it's like going to the bank.

It's like putting a little bit of money away because you're getting a little bit better each time. And so it was just such a thrill to watch their journey in golf. I mean, I, I didn't, I didn't play golf really for like 25 years, because any free time I had Jay was watching them play golf.

I didn't have the time to play. But this for now for the last year and a half, I've kind of picked it up and absolutely fallen in love with it. I saw the look on your face the other day we were out of the golf course and I knew it had bitten you and I just I just love that.

I gotta tell this story. A couple of weeks ago I was on a par three tee and I was doing hitting some shots for Rankin Jordan fundraiser, which is just a great pediatric bridge hospital and just a pillar of our community here and your your son, left handed young man stands up on the tee and you know I'm hitting a six iron and the distance is probably about 190 yards, maybe maybe 195 yards and your son comes up on the tee and takes this nine iron and just rockets this thing and I was like, Oh my gosh, you know, he's one of them you know he's he's in this young generation with so much speed and so much power. And Alex has had a great career I know he won the mid am here in St. Louis and among other things but and it's just a terrific thing that you've made this kind of transfer back to golf. Yeah, I always tell him you know we started at the same time I was 35 and he was five so that's why he's so much better now but it's interesting you know I never like talking but I was with him every step of the way and rebounded his putts rebounded his chips took him everywhere and all this travel and everything and now it's going it's like full circle because we've been going to the range he gave me this Ben Hogan book so every morning I wake up I think about keeping my left arm as straight as possible and so we've been working a lot together on the range and he basically told me because I had a swing working a couple of months ago that allowed me to score okay but he said to me dad unless you have a perfect grip unless you have really good fundamentals you're never going to be good so we've kind of redone some things and I'm just so excited I mean Jay I get an hour after radio and before TV and I make sure I'm on that range trying to work on the things that Ben Hogan wrote that book and Alex is trying to teach me oh the five fundamentals are just a classic classic book that it's it's sitting on my shelf right now and I'm looking right at it you know our good buddy Randy Carriker is suffering from the same affliction man he just absolutely loves the game and is squeezing in a bucket of balls whenever he can you know and Jay you you can't appreciate it because you had this majestic swing at a young age and you had this career at UCLA and the pros I had a golf pro say say to me once just recently that hey you were playing well with that swing of yours I said you don't know what it's like to have an ugly swing okay you know what it's like to be ugly your whole life I want to have a gorgeous swing this is all right go ahead change it you know so it's it's terrific and it's one of those things Frank the different components of this game chipping pitching putting then your driver your irons your fairway woods it seems like it's so it's like trying to keep one more frog in the wheelbarrow you know it's so difficult to juggle all these things and to get them to come together at the same time yeah and that's why we love it it's like that pretty girl in high school that we can't get her attention and we try everything but we like her even more because she doesn't like us as much so the golf is the thing that we can't conquer that's why we keep coming back and coming back folks you're listening to Frank Cusimano this is golf with Jay Delsing and we are just visiting a little bit about Frank's great career Frank your family is also just a huge part of the community so one of the things that I love about golf and I think you can relate is how golf supports the community we've got a champions event coming to North County coming to Norwood at least the next four years by you know this great St. Louis based company Ascension it's amazing did you know that the PGA Tour every year donates more money to charity than MLB NFL NHL and the NBA combined wow I did not know that at all I do know that this tournament put on by Ascension and some other heavyweights in the St. Louis area we should say is going to be sold by gifts I was so excited Jay about the possibility of Watson no Jack Nicklaus Ozzie Smith and Brett Hall and then they were going to get a fourth maybe Hale Irwin playing in that celebrity challenge match but this is going to be so great and for the people who haven't been to Norwood it's one of the greatest golf facilities in the Midwest they're going to put on a championship like no other and we're going to get it for the next four years so I'm really pumped up about it yeah Frank and you just watch this this tournament will be the premier if not in the top two or three events on the champions tour it's just spectacular and the fact that Jack's going to come out this next year 2021 our inaugural year I think Tom Watson's actually going to play in the championship so we'll get Brett we'll get Ozzie maybe Jack and you know hit two balls and we could get the three of those two guys to see if they can scramble and still beat the great Jack Nicklaus that'd be fun now I hope hopefully your game and your health will be in line and ready to play in this correct I hope so Frank I've been the ascension's been kind enough to bring me on board and try to I'm trying to stay out of the way they do great work I'm trying to help in any way I can and I'm getting my knee replaced in about 10 days and so hopefully things so that I don't know about my game but I I can't wait to walk those fairways and and play a real home game after 30 something years it'll be special so you have never played a point have you played a professional event in St. Louis I have I played the the PGA senior championship at Bell Reef oh that's right in 1992 I was the first alternate in the PGA championship that year and didn't get in which was really disappointing but this is actually Frank the course that I grew up at so Norwood I started getting at Norwood in 1973 and so I tried to tell people there's no place both good and bad on this course that I have not visited at least twice yeah so it's really going to be fun well Frank you know what thanks so much for all that you do in the sports world I love watching you I love the passion that you bring and now you're tackling the game of golf so you're going to be in that same love-hate circle that the rest of us have been in for so long Jay really an honor to be with you and believe me if I could have had your swing I would have never picked up a basketball in my life I would have just played golf the whole time all right so Pearl fun interview by the way one of your best thank you thank you you know what John this guy so we played high school basketball against one another and you know I'm competitive I that's all I can say about my high school best so I have to not as long as you bring that up I have to I have to I got a kick out of that interview when he said we scouted Jay Delcey and he doesn't move well to his left dribble well either way well that was my point did they did they scout realize that the other way wasn't that all that strong either maybe the left was my structure if you were just faking them all out it was not on the not on the basketball hammering underneath the basket was strong yeah when he said that I'm like that was so funny I such a check out of that I kind of almost spit up the iced tea that I was drinking when he said that but it was very very kind of him but when I I just keep saying it's probably sick of hearing me but when I do this prep and I look at these accomplishments by these you know men and women that I get on the show my gosh it's just crazy I love he said here's another guy he knew he wanted to do this from when he was a kid huge kick out of that and then I don't know where you want to go with this but one thing I want to make sure we talk about his preparation he just he made a point of it several different times I clearly to me that's a proud point in his career is the amount he's prepped but I think being around some of the quality people that he's been around the successful people in his industry he saw a lot of preparation and I'm sure cost this does it does as well because he knew his stuff but I guess he could it could flow out pretty pretty smooth there does necessarily wasn't a whole bunch of practice yeah Bob would say you know didn't even use a teleprompter and things like that it's just remarkable but I can remember getting to meet the great Vin Scully when we were at UCLA and he said some wonderful things about my dad and watch my dad play my dad was a good ballplayer just things that he just he had me at that you know yes he I talked to him and we were just you know just talking about what he does and I said you know mr. Scully what makes how are you doing this how are you standing out he goes man I just I love this and I love doing the prep for it so I've got more I prep you know for so long having you know baseball game is slow John and you know the pitchers gonna walk off the road you know the mound and you're gonna have to tell a story or you know let's have some dead air or things like that and but preparation you and I know you and I know whether whether we're looking at these phenomenal music performances or whether we're looking at a terrific Olympic performance whatever sort of performance it is these people are not overnight sensations they didn't roll out of bed and do this they put thought in it they work their asses off at it and they've worked on perfecting it this is not the first rendition this is like rendition number 1,000 and this is what you help everybody with with your company right absolutely structure preparation and you love it when these guys make it look easy and you hear certain things and sometimes like the story he told about Costas yeah but Bob had put in 50,000 hours before that to be able to be to that to that position you're seeing just with the radio show the amount of prep we can joke about it from the beginning what we thought we were gonna do and what you do now it's it's it's awesome and it's just so much more fun when you're prepped I know when I'm out working with businesses I'll bring agendas ahead of time to kind of get approved it might have two or three times as much stuff on and like well John we're not gonna be able to cover all this I said I know but if we if we can if we're gonna cover more I'm not gonna be standing up there empty-handed so the preparation is huge and I appreciate that some people look at make it look smooth but somewhere back there with few exceptions there was an awful lot of work that went into another thing John that that gets me when it in terms of preparation when your son or daughter is shooting for something aiming for something they're looking to achieve something you can sit them down and put up something a goal in their head and shoot for the stars do not say oh my gosh I hope we can win you know the district championship this year shoot for the stars and ask for the state title because if you absolutely get to that district and you do win then what yeah well that's another subject is you know what what is your vision what is your goal your dream and then the prep needs to line up with that but that's where I figured you love that because you're not how often do companies to people and this is all from the Frank Cusimano you know conversation how often do people achieve more than they're hoping for I don't think that much no I don't know I think you got to put it out there and again we're not going to the moon tomorrow so we have to be a little bit careful there but that stretch goal needs to happen yeah yeah I thought it was awesome I think the fact that he loved he knew ahead of time what he wanted to do gets the preparation in there the number of stories and again just another one of these kind of kind yeah nice guys given a lot of people around him credit and you know Jay I didn't do a good job of this you did a better job like the story you just said with Vin Scully I got around Vin Scully too I never asked the guy a question you know some of those guys like like yourself kind of had a better sense of what was happening at the time and realized I want to kind of hang out of this guy for a little bit I want to ask this guy a couple questions I I can learn something here maybe I want to be around this there's a ton of value to be able to have those moments in your career you know Jack Buck said you do all your preparation and you throw away your notes love that you love that yeah really interesting well that's going to wrap it up for the back nine Don Coney where we got the Michaela Boulter 19th will come hey this is Kay Cockrell and you're listening 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Anheuser-Busch they've been a great supporter of the show great people so here we go the Frank Cusimano interview was really cool I've got a couple of things that I gotta share with you we talked a little bit about JT at the opening of the show and no spectators etc Colin Morikawa won his first major championship the way you should have started this segment start over again Colin messes up his name oh yeah Morikawa well okay now we got it okay and then so folks they have been jacking what is that kind of actually perfect for our show they've been jacking up his name ever since he got on tour he is second in the most consecutive cuts made to start off a PGA Tour career behind Tiger Woods Tiger made what 26 and and Morikawa made 22 cuts in a row come anyway they jack up his name on the first tee he just kind of giggles at it rips it right down the middle and oh by the way wins the tournament okay so it just reminds me of a couple things what's the worst they ever blew your name on the first tee oh man I remember dessling all the time all the time they just translate yeah it's Dell I sing it doesn't get a whole lot easier swing like del swing and do swing and one of my other favorites swings like do now it doesn't get much simpler than this Steve Pate oh I know and it was Steve Pate so he's like a French guy or so and well to know him it's a kind of appropriate actually that was one of his many nicknames that we kind of gave him one of my other two all-time favorites you may not have heard this Kenny for you at brown deer we're coming down the ninth hole you're over in the hot dogs then because the ball went over there a little bit and I hear a couple guys talking about the next guy coming up behind you because he was a local favorite Steve striker strikers myself really you got you can't get that one right either time Watson did a great MasterCard joke with Brent Snead occur yes I've got a Patrick Reed story that needs to be told because hopefully it's a good one this is a good one good you know we didn't hesitate to look we didn't create the story with Patrick Reed in the bunker he brought he did it that's all there is to it we saw it we tried to describe it and and do it fairly quite honestly I think we did I think we were unbelievable yeah we are almost great anyway so Patrick Reed so there's a guy lives on California he's a Canadian fellow that moved to California years ago and he's a dentist and he's watching the Ryder Cup in six no 18 when we were in Paris got our asses kicked and that still bothers you that still bothers you oh I never liked seeing the red white blue get particularly Paris bothers you yeah I mean our own ability to adjust sorry I digress I'll get back to the story I do too we can go off on that tangent if you want me just turn our signal on and that's what we need we need we need a blinker signal turn the microphones off but anyway so this guy he and his wife were starting this special cancer driven fundraising event and he just got this weird idea like I'm going to email Patrick Reed and tell him about this and see if there's something kind of as a lark so he sends him this email and you know just goes about his life and like three days later he gets an email back that says hey doctor so-and-so Patrick Reed here there's a check on your on on your way my family has had cancer touch us and some significant ways and here's a check for ten grand wow that's awesome these guys have become friends they've had dinner together he texted his his wife and things like that so you know those are the sort of stories that are never going to get told Jay I am so glad you brought that up because you know from the year guys and how many times your tour buddies called you to come and play in one of their events for they would take care of you make a couple bucks that kind of stuff but mostly for you to contribute then you're in town you call some of your buddies all the things that you've done in town most of which don't get put in the paper and when you think of a couple hundred in essence certainly 150 anyway tour players doing that and the tour already raises more money than the other major sports all put together by the way that's not including what I'm talking about here that's kind of quote off the books right it's just absolutely phenomenal and I'm glad you told that story in also it's a very fairness type of a thing because you know in our opinion Patrick lost his mind down there and in the Bahamas at some point but that doesn't mean that he's still not going to be and that he wasn't already doing some pretty wonderful things on the side yeah I mean and you know what John let's be honest thank God we're not all judged or we shouldn't all be judged by one day okay we had a bad day he made a mistake did he handle the mistake well no the whole thing snowballed wanna next though next yeah but the cool things that he's doing from there my guess he's doing a whole bunch of other other stuff there he's an intense guy he gets it he likes quality he likes winning he likes all of that kind of stuff it's it's just great but that's those are all the seeds and I know the sports guys from the other sports do it as well because they're always talking about man of the year of the community and things like that in football and baseball and that kind of stuff that's so cool and I know how cool it is and it helps the community but I also know it's important for you and it makes things matter to you no no no doubt no doubt look I used to you know say to the girls and I would think about this all the time it's like what is it what do you like when the cameras aren't on what do you do you know everybody's a nice guy when you shoot 65 what do you do when you shoot 75 you know and what is that you know and so there's so much more to it and we have this part in the history of where we are as human beings where we are able to isolate instances and blow them so out of proportion through social media through the the regular media through anything and we can try and almost make it look like that's all this man or woman ever does is this and that's not true no and that drives me a little nutty you know nuttier than I already am oh I got another little fun fact for you here we go okay a couple weeks ago we had Adam long on the show right absolutely cool little fun uh you know local guy learned a bunch about Adam and uh what he's doing a couple weeks ago on Sunday out in LA he gets paired with the big boys Tiger and Phil the big boys sent a little text out did you with the he did with a little with uh uh the showing a picture of his uh tee time Tiger and Phil so what do you think he was feeling like that now they weren't anywhere close no they weren't but let's let's remember a little bit of his history with Phil he took Phil Philly Mick down he sure did down he did so he had to feel this feels okay I've been in this situation before let's see how did it turn out oh it turned out really good for me no no Tiger's a different story both of them at the same time kind of in Tiger's backyard if you will yep right on Tiger's won there five times uh it was the he was the uh the headliner always headliner but it was the title of that that tournament went uh for his charitable organization I think for years and years right so old Adam long shot himself a nice little three under par on something he shot no he shot 69 it's par 71 in it I think so I think he shot so he shot 69 Eldrick Woods 74 Philly Mick 78 78 that's what I thought it was he's pretty pretty nasty now there was something funny that happened kind of uh the good and the bad Adam had a second shot into the 13th hole um and he topped his three wood he had about 260 yards ago and he topped it now that's the uh the rainy part of the story you want to know the sun shining yeah let's hear it let's hear it he topped it at 127 yards and from there he hit it to 10 feet and made a putt for birdie yeah that's somebody that was all amped up to play that yeah exactly yeah that that can make you feel really good nothing nothing better in this different situation when you can kind of get knocked down yep top one yeah and then still come out with a par or birdie now you're that kind of thinking I can miss shots here and still make pars and birdies this feels like a good day other days you go like I just hit three good shots and made bogey what the hell's going on Pearl that's gonna do it for another show thanks so much for joining us me thank you so much for keeping us together here at the ESPN studios um folks thanks for listening stay tuned for next week's show we are going to have icon here in St. Louis the voice of the Cardinals Mike Shannon so exciting this is golf with Jay Delsing hit them straight St. Louis that was golf with Jay Delsing brought to you by Whitmore Country Club tune in next Sunday for more from Jay John and the other pros and experts from the golf world in the 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