Golf With Jay Delsing - - Patrick Reed Reaction

Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing.

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We don't have any interviews today. We've got a whacking chase on the back end of the show, and we have got some topics that are going to be fun. I can't wait to dive into these with you, from Patrick Reed and Rory McIlroy and some of the snafus that were happening down at the Farmers Insurance Tournament in San Diego to the USGA and RNA coming out. Jordan Spieth popped his head out this weekend at the Phoenix Open, and Brooks Koepka had an incredible shot at 17. DJ wins over in Saudi.

I got a Tom Brady story on the match. I mean, we're on and on and on, Perley. So let's jump in with Patrick Reed, Jon. I got to say, first of all, it's a horrible look. As a professional golfer that spent his life on the PGA Tour trying to represent a certain way of playing, I just thought it was a horrible look. And the biggest thing, he's not responsible for not seeing the ball, whether it bounced or not, any of that. What he's responsible for is picking his ball up and moving it out of that condition and then calling a rules official.

It makes no sense at all. Jon, you've been with me numerous times. If there's a question, you call the rules official. If there's no question, you can say, my ball's embedded. Your playing competitor comes over, takes a look at it, and you both agree, you take a drop and move on. But you don't ever, if there's any sort of question, you call an official, but you don't pick your ball up.

You can look at it and put it right back down. Well, we've talked about this a little bit, and each time we talk about it and think about it and prepare for the show, it's more and more disappointing. And I watched the video. There's just so many, there's just so much wrong with it. It's unbelievable. And I liked Randall Chamblee's response as well. I think the hardest part for me, I mean, people do things and they're bad things and they're stupid or whatever they are, but there's, where's the official, where's the, the governing bodies. You kind of put a halt to this.

This is twice now with Patrick in the last year or so after he did the hero thing down in that's all Bahamas. And I just really don't get it. And I'll tell you, Jay, I also obviously didn't know the rule. I didn't know you can Palm Palm the golf ball when you pick it up and you kind of wipe around in your hand. Well, you know, you can't, you can't, they let him do it Pearl, because he said he didn't, he didn't brush anything off of the ball by doing it. But the point is you grab it with two fingers, barely touching the ball, just with enough pressure to keep the ball in those two fingers. So it doesn't fall out.

You look at the condition on the ground and then you replace the ball. Oh yeah. I don't know why it's so complicated.

And did he just kind of call across the fairway to tell somebody, Hey, I'm going to check on this. And that's okay. And that's okay.

Yep. That part, that part is okay. But yeah, the whole thing was just plus even kind of the area where it was, was it overly flat? Why, why did they think it's, I don't know, every piece of it just was uncomfortable on the whole thing. And you know, you put the Brad Fable, the PGA tour official, he's in such a tough situation. You could tell he was anxious with it.

Cause he's like, where's your ball? Exactly. And I've known Brad Fables since I've been 24 years old. And I know that he got put in an untenable spot. Yeah. So, you know, part of the problem with Jay is forever. It's been a gentleman's sport.

It's called on yourself. It's about honesty. So, you know, that kind of leaves a lot of room for people to take advantage of that. And you know, I know we were talking about some other players down the road, but that's where this gets wonky is because it, it, the game's based on that.

So when somebody doesn't play within that, there's not necessarily a litany of, of rules and regs on how to kind of take care of it when somebody's just grossly taking advantage of it. And it's, it's, it's just, it's just sad. It's just a sad commentary, but you know, one thing fairly, it didn't bother Patrick because he kept on going and playing pretty damn well.

So Perley, I talked to Brandel Shembly and he feels the exact same way that we do. And I also followed up with what happened with Rory McIlroy. So folks, if you didn't see it, Roy hit a horrible drive on 18 and he had to lay up short of the water, the par five, and he bloomed the shot out to the right and went in the right rough. Well, his ball did the exact same thing. It bounced up in the air and then down into the grass. And he was behind trees and had no, no chance of ever seeing it. He did a similar thing that Patrick did that you and I would do if you were there with me and say to the guy standing around there, guys, did this ball bounce? And they all said, no, they didn't see it bounce. So you might think it's embedded. Roy gets up there and it says, his ball's clearly embedded.

All right. So he says to, he's playing with Roy Sabatini, the two Roy's are playing and he says, Roy, I got to check this ball. And Roy says, fine. And then McIlroy says, it's embedded.

And, and Sabatini says, fine. You know, you got a guy like Roy McIlroy, who's been above approach for all of these years and he gets the benefit of the doubt here. Roy goes out, hits it on the green and moves on his merry way. Well, Patrick Reed on Twitter says, Roy, why are you guys giving me such a hard time?

Rory McIlroy did the exact same thing. And then Roy gets brought into this thing and he's like, look, my ball was embedded. I don't know what happened. I didn't see it. And then they show him that it bounced in and he goes, I don't know what happened, but I got there. My ball was under the ground, under the surface of the ground.

It was clearly embedded. And so now that Rory's inadvertently coming to the defense of Patrick Reed, right. And then a day after the tournament, again, a Marshall from 18 sends an email to the PGA tour headquarters saying, I feel terrible about this. Rory's getting embroiled in this Patrick Reed controversy. I stepped on his ball when I was looking for it and was too embarrassed to say something. So the reason Rory dropped because his ball was embarrassed because someone stepped on it. I mean, because it was embedded. So I didn't hear that.

I haven't heard that. You kept that from me as preparation from the show. I got to act smarter than you on this thing, bro.

Remember you're definitely, you're definitely more informed whether you're smarter or not. We'll have to talk about that another time. I was actually thinking, I was thinking that I'm thinking, I wonder if the Marshall didn't see it and all that.

Cause you didn't step on it. But Jay, if you're going to pick a ball up and the Marshall's not there and you say it's embedded, aren't you calling your play and partner over? And is he verifying that or are you just saying, yeah, okay. I'm going to tell you, it depends on the player.

Okay. It depends on the player. And there were certain guys when I played that, if they said something like that, I'd have walked over to check it out. Yeah. But you know, it's, it's a, it's not required if you're, because it's part of the gentlemanliness on the sportsmanship of the game. And, but this thing, man, it just rubbed me such the wrong way.

And so I, I made a, a couple of calls to some tour players and some friends and some caddies. And I was told that Patrick Reed has the highest I guess he has just an incredible ability to trust himself and all of the things he, he does regardless of the look and regardless of the controversy. And he's able to put it out of his mind and go on his merry way. And that just kind of, I mean, I, I understand why that works for him, but man, it doesn't help me here.

Well, does it work for him? I mean, it's just the fact that he can blow that off, but you know, it goes back to then he started dredging up the other stuff back in the college days, whether he took something out of somebody's locker, whether he did this, he took this, he took that, you know, and I don't know, it, it it's a disturbing pattern of possibilities. Let's put it that way. And just, just seems pretty, pretty strange.

Yeah. I bet I've switched back to the Rory thing. I think Rory was really glad about that whole thing. And I watched the, the, and watched a couple of times the interview and how adamant he was that it was embedded and that when he pulled it up and had a chunk of mud on it, that it, you know, embedded in all of that kind of stuff.

And so, yeah, he had to just love being, being part of that whole, whole, whole, whole thing. You know, part of it, we've mentioned this in the past. This is no excuse by a long shot, but sometimes too, when you're really grinding away in any sport and in competition, you know, we can get the best of you sometimes. And so, you know, whether, you know, we hit somebody too hard in a given sports or take an unfair shot when somebody's really doing well to throw them off their game, whatever the case is, there's a lot of different games and shifts in every sport. But you know, sometimes when it just obviously is crossed the line, people just don't want to put up with it. Yeah, it's, it's, and it's a tough one. It is really a tough one.

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Man, I like that meet that September weather would be really nice about now wouldn't it? Oh man. Alright, so um, so Pearl, before we jump into some of the other topics we have, let's just go back the you had a couple of shots you wanted to toss out there about the Patrick Reed controversy. Well, you know, that's the highbrow stuff, the guys on TV and that kind of stuff. But why don't we talk a little bit about what kind of goes on at the country clubs or the weekend public courses and that kind of stuff when we got a couple dollar Nassau going here there and everywhere.

Some of the you know, the drops guys take sometimes telling the score gets a little complicated for some folks. Apparently sometimes we start out a hole with the title is four and ended with a, with a Molotov six and we don't think there's anything wrong with it. So I just, I just looked a couple of these things up and you would like to relate to this because the characters that we played those crazy guys down at in palace birdies in Southern California during our college days, when, when the rules were bent is an understatement and the gamesmanship was consistent.

But one of the ones I looked up that I didn't, I didn't know about this is I'm sure a seasoned tour professional like you would though, and a Vaseline or chips chapstick on the driver face. You didn't know about that. That's what I'm going to admit and you did and you're admitting it. So tell me about it.

What do you know about that? I will say this. Well, John, I grew up in a sports family, Vaseline and, and, uh, chapstick on a baseball is called a spitball.

I knew you would say, go there. That's why I'm throwing you. Yeah. And, and, and, oh my gosh, John, as a kid, we never put a chapstick on our lips.

We put it on our driver, but you know, I had a tough time finding my driver anyway, after I hit it. And, um, what happened was, um, you could hit some smashes, but man, it was really hard for me to control anything distance wise, but yeah, you put that on the face and it just cuts down the resistance and that ball can zoom. Oh, absolutely. All the years I've been around the game and all the years, apparently I've been around you and I didn't know that. So I just kind of got a kick out of that.

Oh, good. Well, at least, um, you know, I could be accused of a lot of things, but you can't afford me a lot of tournaments and never seen me a load one up with a chapstick or Vaseline. So, you know, I never did that. I never broke that rule.

I wouldn't even have known what to even think or say at that time. So I got, I got one relative to the whole rule thing too, you know, uh, playing around and you've covered this, whether I've played some pretty interesting golf courses with some pretty interesting characters before. And it's kind of fascinating. I played at a place in the past where everybody was big on the handicaps because they had some big time tournaments and money tournaments at the club and that kind of stuff. But much of the year they rolled the ball and people are always picking up pots and rolling the ball, meaning fixing their lives, uh, virtually everywhere. And I always found that crazy fascinating.

Like, how do you, how do you establish a handicap if you're fixing your lies? Can you explain that to me? Well, no, I mean, you know, you know, Pearl, when I, I can remember doing the first, uh, year at the US Open for Fox, we were at Chambers Bay and, uh, you know, there was some issues to say the least, but we had a four, maybe a five hour meeting with the USGA and all of us, we Fox broadcasters and, and folks. And I remember standing up and asking Mike Davis, the CEO of the USGA, Mike, when are you going to rewrite the rules of golf?

And he looked at me, he was offended almost. And I said, he said, why are you asking that? I said, because I've spent my whole life chasing this ball, trying to play by the rules and all this, and they are impossible to understand.

And now, Pearl, you throw TV in there, you know, with all of the different circumstances, you get TV towers, you get all those things. It just, it makes it almost impossible. And I said, Mike, just go to your country club and watch one hole for 20 minutes. And you can see how many rules violations, you know, how many rules are being broken? God forbid there's a lateral hazard on that hole. That rule gets chopped up. You know, if a guy's ball, you know, you know, bounces in, uh, on the other side of the water and it's a yellow hazard, they just go up and drop it up by the green instead of dropping it one point to the last cross.

And, and, uh, yeah. So, uh, you know, some of it's kind of funny, but that's what I'm saying to the bottom line when we are trying to compete. And, and again, the club players, the weekend players, you know, we're trying to kind of use a handicap, but the handicap's predicated on the scores that you shot it when you follow the rules. Otherwise you're going to kind of throw it out the window. Here I am out in the desert, for example, and there's a desert rule. So depending on who you play with, it's where it last cross green and went in the desert, you can drop it.

Somebody else says, no, you drop it wherever you find it in the desert, you know, straight across, you find the fairway. And it just, it just kind of floors me. And I think the other thing that's important about it is, and you know, I've had this conversation about basketball who's changed and not follow their rules for 10 or 15 years. I just think it takes away from the game. Yeah.

I think it's, it's unfortunate because it's part of, it's more a part of the game, I think, than, than we're acknowledging today. Oh my gosh, I don't, I think you're right on. I mean, you know, Jen, this bifer bifurcation idea bifurcation, sorry, that means the tour is going to have its own set of rules.

And then everybody else, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, don't, don't not be able to pronounce a word and then tell me what it means. Right? Exactly. Exactly. I, you know, it's like that coefficient of restitution. I'm like, what does that mean? They're like, oh, it's just a trampoline effect on the face. I'm like, gosh, that's what I'm talking about.

We need to clean this up. But bifurcation Pearl, I don't even know if I'm saying that right. But it's somewhere close. You know what it is, John, it's having a different set of rules for the guys on the tour. And it's, boy, the USGA has run from that. I mean, they have literally run from that up until this point.

And so I don't know if it's time, you know, that we take a look at that. And let's just kind of put a bow on this thing by saying we're all agreeing to play by the rules. We're doing the best job we can left to our own devices.

You know, we all have different interpretations, it gets really, really tough. Absolutely. That's, that's back to that's why it's a gentleman's game. And we've got to do the best we can there. And then we'll we'll make some rulings along the way. And even if we disagree, then let's, let's, let's agree on what the the final outcome should be and we'll have a beer, a milk low vulture and move on.

Absolutely. And okay, so Pearl, the week after the farmers event down in San Diego, Torrey Pines is the Phoenix open just wrapped up this week. What an event we had there.

Before we start breaking that down a little bit. DJ Phil Mickelson, Bryson DeChambeau, and a few of the other boys, Patrick Reed, were over playing in the Saudi International. And what we I just got to toss this out to DJ won the event look like he was putting almost like Ray Charles. At certain points, Pearl, he looks so uncomfortable over the putter. Only one by two remains world number one, his last.

How's this sound? These are his last eight events around the world. He's got to win a second win a sixth a second a win a t 11th and a win. Well, I made the prediction that this is my one of my guys this year. I mean, to me, I just think the guy might be unstoppable.

You know, assuming that he's got all the other ducks in a row, the life ducks in a row. His game is absolutely phenomenal. So I'm not sure who's who or what's going to stop him. And he's obviously playing with a boatload of confidence.

If you're putting off and you're still winning tournaments. It's, it could be the year of DJ. And personally, I'm a fan. I mean, he's had his demons like the rest of us. But he's pulling it together. And he's plus he's fun to watch. Oh my gosh, bro. Rory McIlroy said he has the best mental approach he's ever seen of any athlete, not just a golfer, where literally, Pearl, the things that happened to him.

It's like water rolling off a duck's back. He just is like, Okay, next. Okay, next. Okay, next. And it's really, really remarkable. And what I want to say, Pearl, is we're watching Hall of Fame sort of stuff.

Okay. 24 wins now in the PGA Tour. He's got his two majors, which is very important for the Hall of Fame classification. But john, if we take it a step further, we're talking about maybe on the top. What, 15 players ever to play the game?

You know, I'm not good at those numbers and stuff, but I'm just agreeing with you right now. Kind of unstoppable. And where does he rank?

I don't know, that'd be a good one for you and Brendell chambly that the bad round someday. It's got to be near the top, for sure. And I'm just excited to to see what's going to happen the rest of this year. And he's got to be so fired up. I don't know how fired up he gets, but he's gonna get fired up. He fired up to go play Augusta after one last time. He's so hot right now.

And that's just around the corner. Well, and here's the other thing we ought to think about because when you look back at the 20 plus years of Tiger dominated the PGA Tour, Pearl, what his dominance did to other players, right? You start looking at what Tony female and Xander Shafley are dealing with, you know, when you get this dominant force, you run into a lot of seconds a lot of you make a lot of money without winning any events. Absolutely, absolutely. Those are two of the fun guys to watch as well. But as much as I like, female and Shafley, at least in my eye right now, they don't really stack up to DJ.

No, they really don't. Well, Pearl, that's gonna wrap up the front nine. Folks come back.

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Open this thing up. What was your favorite part of the Phoenix Open this week? Well, part of it was the weather and how ready they were. I think they said they let 5,000 people in.

That may have been 5,000 into each gate. You know, Jay, you and I have talked about this before and you got to respect the Thunderbirds that run the Phoenix Open. The guys are just phenomenal. For them to put everything kind of up and make it as special as they can make it was fantastic. Condition of the golf course.

And it was just a chamber of commerce weather, as they say. I love that there's just so many guys that were just firing at it and making birdies. And that course is so classic that way that, you know, here you got nobody knows who's going to win with six holes to go. And I'm not sure how many people picked Koepka at that point.

There's a lot of other names and all of a sudden he almost semi-runs away with it. It was crazy. Yeah, no, it was really great.

I got to tell you what. So I was glad to see Koepka win. We've got to talk about that wedge shot he hit on 17. But before that, John, it was great to see Jordan Spieth back in the mix.

You know, it's so interesting, isn't it? But he was everywhere, wasn't he? And, you know, but I contend that even when he was his years ago, whatever it was, three, four or five years ago now, when he was just kind of going crazy and winning things, he still would hit wayward shots.

I can remember British Opens and stuff. He was all over the place. I think that's kind of in his game. I think the key was that putter seemed warm up a little bit for him.

Oh my gosh. And Pearl, one of the things that, and I will wager that you would agree with me on this. When you see great putters consistently leaving the ball short, like we saw Jordan on Sunday, that's nerves, Pearl.

Well, whether I wasn't a great putter or a great player, but I know when the pressure was on and, and when I did have my problems, I swear to gosh, that I hit a great puck and that thing would never get to the hole. Yeah. So yeah, I think it's absolutely nerves.

You just don't quite have, you know, I referenced it as the dynamic. We'll call it kind of the swinging of the, of the putter head. We're just kind of cutting it off. And then it doesn't take much for that thing to come up a couple inches short. And then he started gunning it to make sure you get it there.

And then you're not going to hold your line. Yeah. It's a vicious, brutal circle. You know, Pearl, one of the things we got to mention this, this guy's going to be on the show and probably a month or so, Steve Stricker, 53 years old, made a bid to be the oldest player in PGA tour history to win an event. He wound up finishing T4 at 17 under. So, so, so solid positive and just, you know, I don't know him.

I know you do. It just seems like a great guy and just kind of going about doing his business, a good, a good Wisconsin kid. And it's always fun to watch him do his thing. And, you know, I noticed a couple of times too, cause he played with some guys are really moving the ball out there. He wasn't daunted by that. He just kind of did his thing, which I thought was pretty cool.

Yeah. He had some stellar iron shots. He was hitting first a lot, but he hit some, some great iron shots in Pearl. He's been one of the best putters in the game for, well, it's as long as he's been on tour.

Absolutely. And you know, he's got really a unique swing in many factors and even the putting is a little bit different than you would just generally teach, but he's been known to be that guy. And I know other guys reference him and go to him when they're having troubles with their putting games.

It's great to see it. I hope he keeps on going well. He's Ryder cup captain, right? Jay or president? No Ryder company was president's cup captain last time. Yeah. Ryder cup captain and, or he's been president's cup captain before.

Sorry. Tiger was last time. So yeah. And it's going to be in Wisconsin in September, two weeks after the Ascension charity classic. It'll be crazy.

Hopefully COVID will be completely cleaned out by then Pearl. It will be crazy. It's going to be fantastic. And what a great place for him to go back. And I got to believe he's going to get Jerry Kelly as a, one of his assistant coaches, I'm assuming.

Oh, another cheese head. Absolutely. Kelly will be there and it'll be, it'll be so fun. And what I thought we'd do is we'd get this interview with, with strict and we play it right away.

And then the week before the Ryder couple play it again, because I can't, I can't wait to hear what he's got to say. Love it. Absolutely love it. All right.

So Pearl, a couple other things. I thought this was a fascinating story. Obviously the Superbowl played out this last Sunday and TB 12 meet, close your ears, the Kansas, my Kansas city boys in mourning over here, but the TB 12 went getting a seventh Superbowl title.

I got a story that I came across. It was just fantastic. The match, the very first match, it was Tom Brady and Phil Mickelson versus Peyton Manning and Tiger Woods at the medalist. And I don't know if you'll recall the weather Pearl.

Well, first of all, let's do this. Michael of ultra had an unbelievable presence there on the hole in one hole that nearly paid off where Brady, I think Brady or Peyton, one of the amateurs hit it like a foot from the hole, but it was a rainy day and it was a lousy day. They did have really kind of a cool thing for Charles Barkley that if Charles made five for four on the 18th hole, they were going to give another, I don't know how many millions to charities, which of course Charles didn't do. But so John, everybody, well, not everybody, but I mean, well, everybody that was invited there shows up, right? So it's, it's Brady and it's Peyton, it's Tiger and Phil.

There's a couple of caddies. JT is doing the on course commentary for TNT and everybody's kind of just kind of mulling around a little bit and they look over and someone's doing these wild sprinting exercises through down in the mist in the rain in the parking lot. And Charles looks over and sees it's Brady and everybody else is kind of, you know, trying to figure out if we're going to be able to play, is this going to go on? And TB is doing some, some sprinting and some stretching exercises. And Charles says, yo, Tom, what in the hell are you doing?

He says, Chuck, I'm trying to win another Superbowl. Oh my gosh. This is crazy. And that was in, when was the match? Was that May Pearl? Yeah, I think it was. Yeah. Yeah. Something, something early on in there was one of those first things that we could watch some level of a sport on TV and and it was a lot of fun.

Well, my, my comment on my quick comment on the whole Superbowl pretty much, I think any guy over 50, certainly anybody over 60, even if they don't like Brady wanted Brady, cause it gives us hope that there's, there's more life left in us. Absolutely. Yeah.

It looked like it looks like it was in May 24th and they raised 25 over $25 million for golf. Yeah. That's a, I agree with you, man. There was something about what he steps on that field and everybody's water level on that team goes up, doesn't it? Well, he's solid as a defender, you sit there and go like, I know if I make a mistake, the guy's going to absolutely burn me. And, and it was solid across the board.

It was quite the, I just wanted to see a great game. It was unfortunate that Kansas city fell behind, but it's hard not to be impressed with him and the way his team rallied. And you talk about being, having a presence, he just goes down to Tampa and all of a sudden, you know, the seas part and off they go. And he's pretty adamant that he wants to keep on going, which that's a topic for another show, but he's still a young man. What else is he going to get that much excitement in?

So I say, keep on going, baby, keep on going. And he's never hardly even gets hit. He's not going to get hurt.

It's quiet over here. Well, as a person that admires, you know, other games and just as a sportsman, I, I just marvel at the way that he's able to do what he needs, what he wants to do when he needs it the most, John. And that is not easy to do. That is the number one thing that I take away whenever I watch him, you know, he's lost games, he's lost Superbowls, but boy, he's, he elevates when he needs it the most. Well, I'll tell you what, Jay, the game is slowed down for him, right? The way he sees it, he's not all hyped up. He's not all wild eyed.

He just reads and stuff. And that's what my homes was talking about. There was obvious about him. I think even it was before the game, baby, even they talked about it and there's such an advantage. You and I talked about that on the golf course. You know, if you can just kind of keep that, not just a calm demeanor, but almost see things slower, like a, like a batter sees the ball, you know, and the, the spin on the ball and everything and sees it so well, he sees the field and the whole game so well that that is a monster advantage over everybody else monster.

Oh, there's no doubt about it. Pearl, a few, a few times where I've had that, they call it the zone and things like that. It is remarkable how time slows and your brain just adapts to this and you, Oh my gosh, the, the time that I shot 61 in Memphis, I was like, I feel like I've been out here for like three or four minutes, you know, and the rounds over and all this stuff happened. Oh gosh, I tried to bottle that, but I don't think I ever got back to it. Well, not too many people bottle it, but it looks like Brady's got a pretty good handle on it a little bit more than most of us.

And if you ask him, he says his number one thing that helps him get there is preparation. What a surprise. Yeah. Okay. We got to quit talking about this cause my board operators about ready to walk out the door and that's going to wrap up the back nine for us.

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Man, grab an ultra Pearly. We got an episode of whack and chase. When it comes to your golf game, do you need help from the experts? We're still looking for those experts, but until then John and Jay will have to do. It's time for whack and chase on golf with Jay Delcine.

John Jay, I know it's been a tough morning. Do you guys have time to help somebody out? We always have time for some. All right, absolutely.

I've got a guy for you. Brian is live with us. It's whack and chase and Brian is live now. Hey Brian, how you doing? Very good. Very good. How are you guys?

Good morning, Brian. Hey, thanks so much for calling. Where are you calling from? Effingham, Illinois. Effingham, Illinois. Why are we so big in Effingham? We are big in Effingham, aren't we? Well, we appreciate the call, Brian.

Hey, tell us a little bit about what you're calling about, Brian. Where can Jay help you with your game? And then after that, tell us a little bit about your game.

Well, I think the thing I'm looking for right now is, you know, we're hitting the winner now and I live in a very cold state. Not going to be able to play a whole lot of golf. I've made a lot of improvements this year. I've dropped down to where I'm consistently playing in the 80s, but I'm looking on how this winter I can continue my progress and get past that.

So what can I do in the winter at home in the cold that can keep my golf game improving rather than having that regression where I'm going to have to start over in the spring again? That's perfect. We've had that question a couple times.

It's a great question. We're glad people are passionate about the game when they're away from the game. If you don't mind, tell us a little bit more about, you said where you're at with your score, how many years you've been playing, that kind of stuff. Consistently playing for the last three years. I always golfed a little bit in high school, but I never really took it serious. Picked up a set of golf clubs about three years ago and been playing ever since. Constantly trying to improve the game to very little success, to some moderate success, but nowhere near where I want to be. I'm really trying to get to where I would love to be a one or two. Right now, I'm probably anywhere from an eight to a 12. So, what's bringing you back all the time? Hey, hang on a second, hang on a second.

Brian, you picked up this game three years ago and you're an eight or a 10 right now? Wow. That's fantastic.

That is just fantastic. So, what's bringing you back? When you think of golf, what excites you about the game? What brings you back time and time again?

I think the biggest thing is that no matter how hard, no matter how much you try, you're never going to figure this game out and I think that's what always keeps bringing me back. We're all nuts. We're all nuts. He's sadistic, so he's sadistic.

Exactly. We all are crazy. We suffer from the same affliction. Hey, Brian, is there anything that you've done in the past? I know you haven't played, you don't have a long, long history, but is there anything you've done in the past to try to make it so that the springtime isn't so rough on you? Not really.

Like the last couple, this was the very first year where it's like, okay, I'm tired of being average this year. I'm going to put everything into it. I'm going to watch training videos. I'm going to download all the apps. I'm going to buy stupid things on Amazon that are going to improve your game.

Right on. How about equipment, Brian? How about equipment, Brian? Are you burning cash? Are you burning Washington's on equipment too? Are you buying a game? Wait a minute. Washington's? What are they called? Those are $1.

Okay. What's $100? What's on $100, big spender? How about Benjamin Franklin? That's what I meant. Benjamin Franklin. Good Lord, Brian.

Well, Washington's, that would be used golf balls. Never mind. Never mind.

Okay. So that's where he's at with that part of the game. He hasn't won a game.

He hasn't worked. What part of the game do you think you need to work on the most? Is it short game?

Is it driver? What's the part that would help you enjoy the game better and really improve your scores? If I could figure out chipping, I would be extremely ecstatic with my game, but that is by far the weakest part. You know, it's amazing, Jay.

We go out and we buy a game with the equipment and all that kind of stuff. And a guy that really wants to approve, and I appreciate where Brian's coming from. We've heard this a couple of different times. It's within that 50 yards.

There's no doubt. Brian, it is amazing how, you know, TV doesn't, all of the fixes and all of the golf channels and everything, they just don't really tell it like it is. Because it ain't sexy. It's not sexy. It's not really anything we males like to do that much because it's small little motions.

It's not real powerful. But what's interesting is your game will show it immediately when you get proficient around the greens. And what happens is you wind up starting hitting the ball so much better because you think, well, hell, I can miss a green and still make a par. Absolutely.

So you're not putting as much heat on your iron game. So when it comes to chipping, and so I'm going to define a chip, Brian, of anything within, say, five yards of the edge of the green. And nothing that's going to have to be hit up in the air too, too high. Okay.

Keeping it simple, keeping it simple, real basic and squared up. Right. So what we need to do, you need, I'm going to tell you right now, you need to soften everything as much as you can. You need to soften your hands. You need to let your wrist flex. Most people try to play all these shots, Pearl, with their wrists so tight because of the golf channel, what they've read in all these golf publications. You watch the guys that make a living doing this, their hands.

They, they, they don't look like a windshield wiper blade, but they certainly aren't, you know, look like they're made out of steel either. They are flexing and that club is swinging. That club head has to be swinging and your hands have to stay soft.

Brian, imagine Michael Jordan, when they are LeBron James, when they're shooting free throws and how soft they're holding that ball. The reason being is that's where you garner more feel. You will get more feel the softer you are. You white knuckle that thing and you have no feel whatsoever.

And then you throw a little anxiety on top of it and you're going to get a fat or a skull almost every time. So what we need to do is let's take a, let's take your middle wedge. If you have three wedges, take your middle of your wedges, get the ball slightly back in your stance, your hands slightly forward, make a backswing of maybe, I don't know, a couple of feet long and make a through swing a couple of feet long. And the ball just gets hit in the middle of it. It doesn't get hit at the club head gets swung. So the club head, Brian, this is really important on your backswing. The club head leads itself out of there. The club head has to be swung to give it momentum and energy.

And then it has to be swung on through to get the ball up in the air and to do the things that you need it to do. I love what Jay's saying. And the other thing is, it's contrary to what you see on TV is all the time is I think Jay would agree fairly squared up stance. We don't need to be wide open, laying open the club face, all that garbage. I can remember getting for Jay in tour school when he was struggling with his short game. And one thing we agreed before the tournament even started, we said, we're not going to hit a bunch of floppy, exciting, challenging shots.

We're going to go square to square, square stance, square feet, knees, body, square face. Just try to hit these basic, basic shots. And then after you do that and you really plugged into that, then you can start getting a little bit fancier. But get away from all that open face Phil Mickelson flop stuff. That's for down the road. Just get basic and hit solid chips and it will really help your game. What I want you to do, Brian, once you start hitting those, well, you can do those right in your backyard.

It could be colder in hell, but you can still do that in your backyard. Then substitute that middle wedge and get your 60 in there. That ball will automatically go several degrees higher and land softer. Then take your pitching wedge out there and we've got three new shots and you didn't have to very much at all other than we want to keep the ball position the same. We want to keep the hand position the same and make this little two foot backswing with the head leading out. The head leads on through and then the head leads over to the left. You make a slight little pivot and that's it. And in order to feel what that feels to get the sense of what that feels like, Brian, stick the butt end of your wedge in your belt and make that little two foot swing in the back and then go through together. We want your body going together slowly and together. We don't want any separation from your upper and lower body. No dynamic like a full swing.

So Jay, make Brian feel a little bit better. What's the worst pitch you've ever seen a top player on tour do? What's the worst result from a round of green that you've seen? Oh my gosh, I saw Mike Sullivan hit one backwards. And listen, I don't need to throw my fellow pros under the bus. Some of the ones that I've hit are embarrassing. I wanted to look over at my bag and take my name off my bag, Brian, and some of the ones that I hit because this game does that to you. But don't get discouraged and get that out in your backyard.

Six or eight balls with each one of those little wedges, it'll turn your whole world around. This guy's not going to get discouraged. We've already heard from him. He's passionate. He wants to move forward. Moving forward is with the short game. And so work on the short game.

And I love what Jay said, even this time of year, anytime it gets above freezing, you can go in the backyard and hit some pitches and chips and get a feel for that. So how do you conclude this, Jay? So Brian, the way that we end Whackin' Chase is if this helps you, and we really truly hope it helps you, just tell everybody you know.

Call the paper. Send us emails. Tell everybody that John and Jay and Whackin' Chase are great. And if you keep hitting those skulls and those fat ones, you've got to tell them we never met.

That's a deal. Thanks so much for calling, Brian. Thanks for calling, Brian. Have a great day. You too.

All right, Pearl. These Whackin' Chases are really fun. This is a guy you could tell really, really took his golf game to a different level this year and wanted some help over the winter. The episodes are a lot of fun. And I like that we do respect ultimately what they're after and trying to get better at their game. But it's fun bantering things back and forth. But you do a great job helping these folks. Well, I hope we help them.

You know what, Pearl? You know the way we sign off on those Whackin' Chasers, they haven't been telling me that we're helping them. That's for sure. Maybe they're not getting any better.

No, it's really a fun thing. I hope we can get more people involved. Well, I want to give a shout out to my friends, Bob and Kathy Donahue at Donahue Painting and Refinishing.

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So we don't have any sort of sympathy for you. That's okay. There's another great tournament on TV and you can enjoy that. And I'll be back in the frigid north for about two days before I head back here before too long. Oh, how do I even close?

All right. Well, that's going to wrap up another show. This is Golf with Jay Delsing.

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