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Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing.

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Alright Pearl, on the show this morning we got an interview with Billy Andred, long time friend. Back from the college days. We played with them, Pearl, when we were down in Mexico.

Gosh, in college we were our senior year. Monterrey? Was that Monterrey?

Yes, that was Monterrey. Oh boy. That's a story to show all by itself. That's a completely unrelated golf story. There's all sorts of crazy things that happened that week.

We're not talking about that. But anyway, Billy was down there playing with Wake Forest. I think UCLA got paired with Wake Forest. Billy said he remembered playing with me.

I don't remember playing with him, but that was the way it went. One of the things is, this guy's won four tournaments on the PGA Tour. Three more on the Champions Tour. He hasn't won a ton, but what a great guy this dude is. He's so focused on some of the right things as far as I'm concerned. We talk a little bit about the charities and stuff.

It's going to be a good interview, I think. Another guy that's just embraced, I think, all aspects of being on the tour. And I say that he hasn't won a lot. Hell, it's hard to win on tour. I completely retract that statement. It's not Mickelson.

It's not those guys. But seven is awesome. And then to have such a great senior tour career is awesome too.

Champions Tour, sorry. Alright, Pearl. So Bryson wins at Bay Hill in really cool form. The way that he did it. You know, Pearl, you'd think by looking at him initially, you'd go, this guy is taking all sorts of risks.

And exactly the contrary. He's got the odds figured out that as long as he executes to a relatively certain degree, he's able to pull some crazy stuff off. Plus he brings so much fun to the game. Whether it's the shots out of the rough that even the strongest players can't move to the point where it can get on the green and stay on the green. To going at the green on number six.

How many times have I caddied out there for you? I don't care if it's a tornado behind us, we wouldn't have thought about it. John Daly went for it and made it 18. There we go. He set the precedent. I'm going to throw something out there.

We talked about this a little bit before the show. Can we just celebrate Bryson? We've got to pick on him. Why can't these guys that break the mold, the innovators, why can't we celebrate these things?

Hey, if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. It doesn't really hurt me. I love that the guy is trying to break the mold. And by the way, he is breaking the mold and he is setting the tone.

Yeah, he is. And you know what it is, Pearl? It's fear. Everybody else is more comfortable. That's just my opinion. That's why we have the show for your opinion. Right. When they get uncomfortable, John, that's where they go. They've got to figure out how to pick them apart because it makes them uncomfortable in their seat that they're in.

Because this is the way it is. I don't want to have to change. I don't want to... Well, amazing how the intestinal fortitude that it takes for that dude to do what he does. My hat's off to him, even if it didn't work, John.

But I will say this, Pearl. This dude was a great player before he started doing some of this stuff. Obviously he was. He won the U.S. amateur and he's won the U.S. Open.

He's in some pretty rare company there with Tiger and Jack. Well, I just love all aspects of it. Plus, you can tell it's also what drives him and to have fun. He doesn't want to, I'm going to guess, go out there every single day, make himself a couple million dollars a year and just be one of the guys. Right. Clearly, he said, I'm going to go do this thing. He was already different. He tripled down on different and I think it's beautiful.

And Pearl 7 wins. I mean, come on. This is what, his fourth year on tour, I think. It's hard to tell after the pandemic. Four, six, something like that. It's close.

Only his mom cares, really. But I got to tell you a funny Bay Hill story since we're on Bay Hill. I was playing and it was nasty weather in early March and rainy and cold, probably about 45, 50 degrees. I'm coming down 18, all the gear, umbrellas and everything, and I hit my drive, shockingly missed the fairway on 18 out to the right.

Never done that before. And the flag stick, Pearl, on Saturday is parked right in the front edge of that green. So you got the water on the right, you got that bunker left, and the wind is... Front left edge.

Right. Pearl, the wind is blowing 30 miles an hour in from the left. So I've only got a decent line, but I've only got like 160 yards, but the wind's blowing so hard, I take five iron out. And I'm thinking, I'm going to hit it hard at...

I'm not going to get in the water. I'm praying to God it's going to do a little wiggle to the right and maybe stay over there somewhere to the left of the green where I can maybe get a bar out of this thing, right? Pearl, I swing this thing, and I flight this thing, which is what I was trying to do, but it comes out straight at the pin, and it is hit so soundly, it's not left the flag stick. And it goes up there about three and a half, four feet from the hole.

And I am, I mean, I am just delighted, right? And I look over, I give my club to the caddy and grab the umbrella, and I hear this... Nice shot, Delsing! And I look over and Fuzzy's on the 16th tee, and there's bushes between the 18th fairway and the 16th tee. He's got his head poked through the bushes.

It's pouring down rain. And he lays into me, and he goes, you pushed that shot at least 10 yards. And I'm like, ah, Fuzz, everybody on tour goes straight at this pin. And we started laughing. Oh my gosh, I couldn't wait for him to get in.

We had a beer in the locker room. It was just a fun story. But it's interesting to have AP gone, and this tournament still feels like he's there, even though he's not John. Absolutely. It's still a special place. I think they do a great job giving tribute to him each year. His grandson does a nice job in there as well. I think he's got some great friends that are kind of making sure that all stays very much in the forefront. And hopefully that stays that way for the rest of our days. Let's put it that way.

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I'm going to appreciate it. You've had a good experience with us. But yeah, from Hospital Therapy, we're really a partnership between Flight Medical and SSM Health, which we did about 12 years ago.

And that partnership has really provided us some support to attract top talent and really grow. Over the past decade, we've grown from 30 clinics to 80 clinics throughout the St. Louis metropolitan area. So Jason, you have 80 locations around town and a few on the east side it looks like as well. There's got to be a location that's convenient for almost anyone.

Here's what we know, Jay. We know that really to have a great physical therapy experience, it has to be easy. It has to be convenient. And so knowing that importance for our patients and our families, we really strive to conveniently serve really you, where you are, where you live, where you work. And so at this point, you know, from as far west as Warrenton to as far east as Shiloh, Illinois, kind of north from Alton and Troy, Missouri, all the way down to St. Louis, we really want to be in your neighborhood and making it easy to get care.

That's fantastic. So tell people a little bit about what they can expect when they come to one of the clinics. And I'm glad to chime in here because I've gone through that a lot and I was really impressed.

Yeah, thanks. You know, we really, you know, we're here to get you back to your activities, to your passions, addressing your pain, your movement, your activity limitations with hands-on therapy, you know, with movement. You know, this isn't a medication or a pill type situation. It's what physical therapists do is get you back to life naturally. We really try to individualize every treatment plan to meet your goals, educating you not only how to fix your current problem, but how to prevent future problems as you go forward. So we really strive to have experts in our clinics. We have the most board certified physical therapists and manual therapists and other certified specialists throughout the area.

We commonly treat, you know, the neck pain, back pain, sports injuries, post-surgical kind of things, all the way to very specialty programs in physical therapy like cancer rehab and men's and women's health and other programs that really allow us to serve, you know, really any need that you might have from a physical therapy standpoint. Jason, you know, it was so cool for me, you know, because right before I went out, I told Dr. Lowry, who was just terrific, I said, Doc, I want a high performance knee with a little draw because I haven't been able to hit a draw my entire life and I'm going to blame it on my old knee. But the minute that I walked into the Kirkwood location, Kirsten knew that I was after a little, you know, different kind of therapy than most of the folks were talking about, Kirsten Bania, who's just terrific.

And she helped me so much at the beginning stages of this rehab. So Jay, what we know and what we believe, right, if we're going to really provide exceptional experiences for our patients and really maximize those outcomes, we have to have great people to do that. And so, you know, we've really spent years creating a culture of allowing our therapists to follow their passion because we know when a person like Kirsten or a person like Nolan, who I know you get to see and treat with as well, when they get to follow what they do and they love, it shows the type of care they give. You know, I think Nolan's such a great example for us, college baseball player, avid golfer, you know, and now he's really made it his pursuit to become the expert in those things in therapy. Not just for us, really, but, you know, across the Midwest, constantly learning the latest evidence, using technology, teaching others, really allowing him his passion to create that experience and demonstrating really what our motto is, which is your therapy, our passion. Well, this is what was so cool for me, Jason, is that Kirsten took me and handed me off to Nolan Rapp, who was just terrific.

And then we even went to a higher level, more golf specific exercises. And the one thing that I have that we got to talk to the folks a little bit about is the community. The community is a big deal to you guys. And you're right, dead smack in the middle of it. Yeah, again, we really believe, right, our mission is to serve the community, what they what they need, and you know, through our clinics and the things we do every day.

But just trying to discover what those needs are. And you know, again, you're a great example, right? You're right after your surgery, you know, from what you needed there to get you back in to really what what you do and your passion here in golf, and making sure you're with that right expert, take away those barriers and get you back into life. This is Jason Ruble.

He's the president of SSM Health and Rehabilitation Network. I've just had my knee replaced in October. I've gone through the system, Jason, I so appreciate what you guys do.

I'm actually still going through some things with Nolan. And I just wanted the people today to know that what's available out there because as we age, gosh, these surgeries and things are almost inevitable. They certainly are. We talk about baby boomers and the whole group that continue to need these services. And we want to make sure again, we're continuing to provide that best care and some of the easiest locations and the easiest way to get it. You know, again, goals aren't just, you know, some of these basic things anymore, maybe returning to basic things to work or whatever. But again, it's to these activities and, you know, the different weekend activities and golf and these other pieces. We want to make sure that people are able to get back to really enjoy and have that full quality of life. Well, thank you for all you do. Jay, thanks for thanks for having me on and really appreciate the time.

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The Front 9 is brought to you by the Ascension Charity Classic. Welcome back to Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host Jay.

I've got Pearly with me, Brad Barnes. He's taking great care of us here at ESPN Studios. We're on the Front 9 brought to you by the Ascension Charity Classic.

This September, Norwood Hills is the place to be. You're going to go out and get to see some of the world's best plus 50 crowd play on a great course. On a great course.

It's going to be beautiful. The clubhouse, the tradition. I love when you and Billy talked about what a traditional golf course it is. I see that as very positive. I love that part of it.

Those beautiful huge trees out there. That property is going to be spit shined, isn't it? Absolutely. Let's go listen to the Billy Andre interview. He's a new ambassador for Ascension and the Ascension Charity Classic. Long time PGA Tour player. 4 wins on Tour. Now 3 wins on the Champions Tour.

And a huge supporter of charitable causes. This is Billy Andre. The 18th Billy Andre needs a 3 here. This is his second shot. And what a terrific drive Billy hit. He's got to play a good iron.

Bringing a little left to the flag would be what he's looking for. And that is a wonderful shot. Look at this shot by Billy Andre. He needs a 3.

That's all he has left for a 3. Billy Andre is brought to you by Golden Tee. Dear friend, 7 time winner on the PGA Tour and Champions Tour. Billy, thanks for joining me. Oh absolutely Jay. Anytime for you and for the great fans of St. Louis.

Are you kidding me? It's a pleasure to be on your show. We've been friends for a long, long time. Since our college days we battled it when I was at Wake and you were at UCLA.

So fire away. I'm happy to be on and honored that you asked me to be on. Well gosh Billy, we're both ambassadors for Ascension. The Ascension Charity Classic is coming to St. Louis this September for at least 4 years. And Billy, we've both been privileged to be around some great companies. But man, Ascension is as good as it gets, aren't they?

It really is. They stepped to the plate. It was a few years I guess in negotiations and talks whether or not it was going to happen. And not only Ascension, they got great presenting sponsors with Emerson Electric and World Wide Technologies. So to have both those presenting sponsors along with Ascension, those are three heavy hitters in St. Louis and around the country.

And they do such great work outside of what their jobs entitle. To give back to their communities and to have the Champions Tour come to St. Louis, Jay, I know for you it's amazing. It's awesome to be able to showcase your town. You guys have done it over the years with some great majors at Bell Reeve. But to go to Norwood Hills, which is an old style golf course that you know so well that growing up there and playing there so much, to have the tour come to your hometown, come to your home golf course, it means a lot to all of us. And we're really excited.

It's going to be a heck of a week. I know we had to postpone it a year because of the pandemic, but hopefully by September everybody's going to be vaccinated and we can have crowds out there and the energy that we provide along with all the great legends that we have on our tour. We're really going through a renaissance right now, Jay, with an influx of so many great players. This is my eighth year on the tour and just to see the change in my eight years is just amazing and the quality of play. So you're going to see some great golf and I'm just tickled to death to be a part of Ascension like you, to be an ambassador and just to see the great work and at the end of the year some great charities are going to be benefiting from us playing and us coming.

So it's a win-win for St. Louis and for Ascension and it's a win-win for you and I. Yeah, I mean, Billy, does it get any better? We get to go tee it up and I'm raising money for the part of the hometown that I grew up with and get to be saddled with an unbelievable partner like Ascension and Worldwide Technologies, Emerson. I mean, it is absolutely a home run and Billy, you know, you won four times on the PGA Tour, three times on the Champions Tour and I don't want to diminish that at all because those are just you've had an outstanding career over 20 million dollars in your career. It's just been wonderful the longevity you've had, the success you've had, but when I do this prep, I just, you know, charity is just, it just jumps off the page and we got to talk about the charitable stuff you do. Yeah, it's, you know, Jay, it started back in the early 90s and, you know, playing on the PGA Tour like we were and going to other parts of the country and going to charity events and saying, you know, hey, let's see if we can do that in a small place like Rhode Island where I grew up, where Brad Faxon grew up. And so we started the Andre Faxon Charities for Children Foundation back in those days, 30 years this year. We brought in a bunch of celebs there up in Wannamoisie, a great place in Rhode Island and we raised a ton of money for that. And then we got together with CVS Pharmacy, which is one of the great, great institutions in the United States, and we started the CVS Charity Classic and that has been just an amazing 23 year run and raising over 25 million dollars for that is something that's dear to me.

And then living in Atlanta full time, I live in Rhode Island in the summer, as you know, and in Atlanta, I really wanted to get my hands around having some sort of charitable component here in my adult hometown. And, you know, I've been a member at Eastlake since Mr. Cousins bought the place and revitalized the area and turned the golf course into a world class place the way it used to be. You know, they hosted the 63 Ryder Cup at Eastlake with Arnold Palmer as the playing captain and, you know, to see where it was in 1993 and 4 and how, you know, it was just not a safe place to be and Mr. Cousins tried this experiment and it sure as heck worked. And to be involved with the Eastlake Foundation now, 11 years, we've had a charitable tournament there with celebs and such, and we raised a bunch of money for that too, millions of dollars. So it's something when you think about that, you know, hey, we play golf for a living. You know, we're trying to win golf tournaments, but there's more to just winning and playing and, you know, it's given back and that's what the tour is all about. That's what the tour has taught us over, you know, all these years of playing it is that, you know, there's no other sport that gives back. We're over a billion dollars, over 2 billion, I think, we're giving away to charity in the exception of the PGA Tour back in the 60s, so it's an honor to be a part of that group and it's an honor to continue at age 57 that we're still doing this stuff. So it's really cool and, you know, like I remember Charles Barkley saying that, you know, are we role models? Are we? Yeah, we are. And it's, you know, another thing, Jay, that's great to see is the younger players today going back to their hometowns and having charitable events and seeing the young kids doing that.

You know, back in the day, that really wasn't the case and you see it more and more today and maybe myself and Faxon and a few others that have done it over the years have inspired these younger kids to do it as well and it's just been a great run. All right, so that's going to wrap up the front nine, but don't go anywhere. We'll come right back on the back nine and wrap up the Billy Andre interview. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. Hey everybody, it's Vince Gill.

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No issues. That's just three great shots by Billy Andre at 18. Had to have the tee shot to make everything else work and that might give him a little boost. Billy Andre is brought to you by Golden Tee. I love what you said about the tour teaching us because I feel the same way. You know, I helped bring the first tee to St. Louis and things like that. In 1999, you won the Charlie Bartlett Award for Unselfish Contribution to Society. In 2002, you got the American Heart Association Golden Heart Award. In 2002, you also got Ambassadors of Golf Award. Billy, this game, I tell people all the time, this game is so unlike the others because when the tour rolls into town and then rolls out of town, it leaves a lot of things. It put on a good show hopefully and this, that, and the other, but it leaves a lot of money behind for these local charities to really make a difference in the communities that they serve.

It really does, Jay. It's such a great roadmap, isn't it, to see, you know, the smiles on children's faces and the smiles on charities on their faces at the end of the year when they get a check from, proceeds from the Extension Charity Classic or the CVS Charity Classic or the Eastlake Tour Championship and the Eastlake Foundation. You know, the thing that, you know, I always go back to Arnold Palmer. When I was a freshman at Wake Forest, I was on the Arnold Palmer Scholarship and he came to play the Vantage Championship, which is now the Charles Schwab Cup Championship. He came to play that at Tanglewood in Clemens, North Carolina.

He stopped by to say hi to the team and he talked to us about, you know, like what this game and what he was using Wake Forest. But you can also just, you know, using the game of golf and how many doors it can open. Some of you kids might get out on the PGA Tour. Some of you kids might become great club pros. You might be, you know, big in the business world, but the game of golf is never going to change.

It's going to be there and try to use it as much as you can. And that's what, you know, that's what we all have done over the years is done all that and that's what's really cool about the game. That's what's really cool about our sport. Billy, I'd love for our listeners to hear from you because I'm chirping this message all the time.

The Champions Tour is, the golf is so good, but I want our spectators to know how relaxed it is compared to the regular tour. Yeah, it's really apples and oranges. You know, you, you know, when I first came out, I asked Tom Lehman, like, hey, what's it like out here? And he says, you know, you've already proven yourself as a player. You just come out here and you're just having fun. It's kind of like back when you first started. But the only difference was when I first started back in 1988, you didn't know, like you didn't have any job security. You didn't know how good you were going to be. And you were just trying to survive and just trying to hang on. And when you get to the Champions Tour at 50, you know, my goal going in was to, I'm just going to have fun with this. I worked my tail off, you know, my whole career on the PGA Tour and never wanted to lose my status. And I did a pretty good job of that.

And on the Champions Tour, it's like, it's just, it's, you know, that, that pressure is just not the same. I, my goal was to have fun, enjoy it. If I have a great round, great. If I have a bad round, let it go.

And with that mindset, I played, I played some of my best golf in my 50s and it's because of that, because of the, you know, hey, I put the work in. Now I'm just going to go out and have fun with this and just enjoy it. And, and that's what the tour is all about. It's the camaraderie.

It's, you know, hanging out with the guys, going to dinner, telling stories, picking each other's brains. It's such a great group and it is way less stressful than it was on the PGA Tour for sure. Absolutely. Billy, don't you think, and I've been telling this, I think the Norwood Hills West Course is such a hidden gem. I really think the players are going to love it.

I totally agree. I just played golf. I just finished playing here in Atlanta, Capitol City Club, and I was telling them about Norwood Hills saying that, you know, we could play it.

We could play a champion's tour event here at Capitol City Brookhaven, just like Norwood Hills. It's, it's not an extremely long course, but you have to pay attention. The greens aren't real big and you got to place the ball in certain spots to have chances to make birdies. You know, it's not a 8,000 yard golf course the way these kids are playing today. It's, it's, it's, it's old school.

It's kind of like the way we grew up. And I think all the players, I've been, I've been telling everybody about St. Louis and I've been there a couple times now and how great the golf course is. And it's got a lot of variety.

You got to, you got to hit it pretty damn straight. And, and it's going to be, I think a great test for us. It's, it's a perfect golf course for the champion's tour. And I think the, the people that come out and watch are going to be really impressed with what they see. And Billy and Ascension, I really believe Ascension is going to make a gigantic splash on the champion's tour with the way they're going about this event. Yeah, they really, they really are.

It's from top to bottom. And, and, you know, having Dan Sullivan and his crew run the tournament, they run a few tournaments out on the champion's tour as well as the Memorial. So they know how to run golf tournaments. I just saw the exciting news that Jack Nicholas and Tom Watson and Taylor are going to be there. So we're going to have some of the legends there probably on Saturday playing behind the last group. I would think on that's what we do in some of these events that you have the stars come out and play and put on a little show. They play nine holes and they go out and the crowd just loves it. So to have those guys involved and have extension be as excited as they are, you know, that's what you need.

That's what you want. That's the, that's the blueprint of the, of the champion's tour. You know, it, it doesn't cost as much as the PGA tour to put on a tournament, but it's still a lot of money that they have to shell out. And, you know, they've done an unbelievable job so far. And, and I think it's going to be one of the best tournaments we play on the champion's tour for sure.

I do too. This is Billy Andre visiting with me. This is golf with Jay Delsing and Billy one last thing I want to wrap up with this blast from the past when you and I were down at the Byron Nelson classic.

We had played already on Friday. We both had decent rounds and we were right in the middle of the tournament and we went in and played a little two on two pickup basketball game and absolutely whipped some ass down there. Do you remember that? I sure do. Oh, those good old days, Jay, you know, it's always nice to have a partner that's six, five, six, six that could, you know, get all the rebounds and let me shoot a lot. I loved it, Billy.

I could tell you if I did that today, I'd be in traction for about a month and a half. I was so tired. No kidding.

No kidding. I, yeah. Back in those days, Jay, I would play, I played a lot of pickup basketball at Georgia Tech. My father-in-law worked there and they would play every, every lunchtime. So when I wasn't playing on the tour and I had a week off, I'd go down to tech and, and run. I love, I played high school basketball, so I loved it.

So any chance to get into the, you know, to, to, to get out and shoot and stuff. So, so yeah, it's, uh, Byron Nelson at the, at that Four Seasons, uh, uh, sports place. They had that, they had that basketball hoop in there. We, uh, yeah, we, I thought we did a pretty good job on those guys. They, they, they didn't know what to expect. No, I know.

And I don't want to play them again, but I'm sure glad we got them the only time we did. That's so funny. And you remember that. That's so great. Billy, thanks so much for joining me. Continued success. We can't wait to be together here in St. Louis this September and, and, and have a great year and knock a couple off before you get here. I'm going to, that's my plan.

That's my plan. I didn't, uh, you know, I, I, I came back during the pandemic. It was really weird.

We started at the Ally Challenge the first week in August. We didn't have any fans. We didn't have any, you know, there was no grandstand set up.

It was real quiet. Um, and I just didn't play very, I don't know. I just didn't get it going last year and knowing that it's a wraparound season into this year. So we, we, we've got this little low right now, six weeks off before we head back to Naples and start our season up again or continued again. And, um, my focus is back and I'm really looking forward to getting in the mix and maybe, maybe winning one before I get to St. Louis.

Okay, John. So, and I said in the interview, I don't want to diminish your wins and everything, but man, the charitable heart that this guy has, the things that he's done created and, and, uh, raised multiple, multiple millions of dollars for children and for families in need. It's impressive. Again, another guy that went far beyond just playing. He's kind of an ambassador to all this stuff. I really liked the conversation you guys had about how it used to be with having the different events and how it was kind of your class, if you will, your group that came out on tour and kind of really branched off. And almost all of you guys have different things that you have special sponsor events, raising monies for specific hospitals, whatever. And I didn't realize that wasn't always the case.

No, it wasn't always the case. And I don't think, John, that the game actually, the time in history that actually presented itself as a big opportunity, but as the game kept growing, Tim Fincham came in as our commissioner and we started taking things to a different level. And then Tiger came in on the back end of that and things exploded. And, you know, so if you started, uh, a charity event here in St. Louis or like Billy did in Providence or something like that, and then, and then hung with it long enough to where Tiger came in 1997, all of a sudden it just blows up and you, the amount of monies that you can raise for these causes is spectacular. Cause I remember the pro-ams once upon a time, those have been around forever.

And those are, those are some fundraisers, some moneymakers, the pros would make a little bit of money, but then you guys went off weeks, took weeks off in some cases to go and have the charity in your hometown. So that was awesome. And then I love what he's talking about. I guess the next generation, this, the Speeds, the Thomases, et cetera, they're out there doing that kind of stuff too.

No, they absolutely are. And, and I think, I think John, as I look back at it, that's really a good point that you made because I played with the generation before me, a lot of those guys, the Leonard Thompson's, the John Mahaffey's, the Lanny Watkins's and those sort of guys. Yeah. And you know what, John, they were all part of it as well. You know what they were, they were doing, doing their share. Our, you know what, John, you mentioned this a hundred times and we've never talked about it on the show, but my group that I went through the qualifying school had to be the largest group that stayed together the longest on PGA.

Years ago, I wrote down the stats and all that kind of stuff. It was, there was an average of about one and a half guys per year that would kind of go out there and establish themselves. That group that came in with you, I believe the number was 14.

It completely broke the mold. I got to ask you one more question from the previous segment. You said what your most favorite fundraising event situation was.

What was the worst experience you ever experienced in a fundraiser in a charity type of deal? So Steve Pate and I get invited to this, it was like a Kiwanis Club thing and it was in San Antonio and they paid us, it was either $25 or $50 and they gave us all the tamales we could eat. Pater had 75 tamales and all that sauce. He had, he had dip on his, and he's like, God, this was a pretty fun day. I'm like, I was only 23.

I'm like, these are spicy, man. I can't do this. So $25. Yeah. I think there's cash though, Pearl.

Tough to feed the family on that tip. Oh my gosh. Well, hey, and that's going to wrap up the back nine. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. This is Bill DeWitt III, president of the St. Louis Cardinals. And you're talking to Jay Delsing. And wait, sorry, what's the name of the show? Golf with Jay Delsing. Golf with Jay Delsing.

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Jay, John, you are the guys with all the answers. Wagon Chase is back again and all the way from the Cornhusker State, Nebraska. Kyle is on the line. Wait a second. That's a new one for us, right? We've got to put a pin up. No pin up there. That's three pins outside of Missouri.

That's the Cornhuskers. Kyle, thanks for calling us. Well, thanks for having me. Kyle, what's the question you've got for Jay? What are you looking for and then we'll get to know you a little bit after that, but what's your golf question?

Sure. I struggle to hit the driver, so my golf question would be, what's the best advice for an amateur golfer to hit a driver consistently? Boy, Kyle, that is a good one. Especially in today's age when you're watching the guys on tour just smashing these bombs and you want to go out and you can't hit the driver as long as you like. That's hard.

What do you think about that when you're watching on TV? Are you trying to bomb it like those guys? Are you just trying to keep it in play?

Where's your head on this whole thing? You know, I'd sure like to and I probably chase it when I'm buying new equipment or I see the latest and greatest new shiny toy and think it's going to fix my golf game. So from that side of it I probably chase it, but I realize that I'm never going to be able to hit it 300 yards or 330 or whatever they're carrying it these days.

It becomes something fun to chase and you want to be the longest guy in your group kind of thing, but it's hard to do. About how far are you hitting it, Kyle? How much have you bought? How much have you paid for your distance so far and how far is it going? Well, I certainly have probably paid more than I'm getting at a distance.

Well, you're you and everybody else, so that's okay. A dollar per yard over the years, but I probably average anywhere like 245, 250, something like that. Nice. So it's decent yardage.

The course I play here at home on a regular basis isn't too long or a lot of forced carry, so I can get away with bad shots. Well, first of all, Jay, we've got an honest caller because everybody else we talk to hits it between 290 and 310. A hundred percent. Which is so not the reality.

It's in their brains. That's good. We're supposed to have positive images for sure. So, Kyle, tell me a little bit about what your t-shirts look like and what you're trying to do to make them better.

Sure, sure. My typical miss is to the right. It's not a complete slice, but it's kind of a fade heading the direction of a slice. And so it probably loses some distance with that type of a thing. My complete miss is this really weird top kind of thing where the ball hits the ground about 10 inches in front of the tee and makes a nice divot.

So that's the one that I'm always trying to avoid on a regular basis. But I would tell you I'm probably least confident hitting a driver. I used to say that I'd have the driver yips or something like that where you kind of got up there and I just hit and hope and try to remember to breathe kind of moment.

Kyle, what are you trying to do to fix it? A lot of what I'm trying to do, well, I play a 12 degree driver because I got fitted for it and they told me I needed as much loft as possible because I had a negative descent angle even on the driver. And so I've tried to kind of make the equipment feel as comfortable as possible so I don't have to change the swing. But for a lot of times I was really trying to play the ball up and hit up on it in order to elevate the ball and so I think there's some of that. The probably biggest thing I try and do is relax because I know when I feel my hands or my forearms get tight, that's usually when I start to hit some kind of squirrely shot.

Okay, so that's a tough one, Jay. It'd be tough to try to relax when you know this thing's going to come and kick you in the butt. Here's what I'm thinking here, bud. So with the guys fitting you for a 12 degree lofted driver, here's the biggest challenge for the driver. It's not on the ground. So you're hitting your wedges, you're hitting all these things and you have the ground that can kind of work as like a little area to help you trap the club and the ball together to kind of get them squared up and on a line that you kind of like. Does that make sense?

Yeah. Okay, so the challenge that we have here is all of a sudden the driver has got the least amount of room for error because it's got the least amount of loft. So you make a mistake with the driver, our errors are going bigger. So if you're three degrees off with your driver compared to three degrees off with your 60 degree wedge, you're going to be 15 feet from the hole with your wedge, you could possibly be off the golf course with your driver. Hot dog stand.

I know that, I know that, Kyle. Wisconsin, brown deer, ninth hole hot dog stand was about 215, 220 off to the right. That was a three iron I used to pop over there. I never hurt anybody either because it's coming in so soft.

It's a little pop up to the right. So Kyle, what ideally we want to do is with our driver, if you'll pull up a YouTube video or anything, Google Dustin Johnson or some of the great drivers of the ball right now. DJ just comes to mind because he just obliterated Augusta National with the way that he drove the ball. But he is addressing the ball with his hands behind the ball.

Okay? And what you're doing, I'm almost certain, is that when you come through the ball at impact with your driver, your hands are going to be way ahead. And what's happening there, bud, is it's really screwing up the dynamic of your driver.

And I'm assuming since you just got fitted it's a new driver. And if we can get you swinging up slightly at this thing, and don't be afraid to let it go high. Because what I'm thinking, I'm hearing from you, is that you're kind of a low ball guy and when you put your hands behind you feel like this thing might pop up and go over your head backwards or something like that. But get over that because these new drivers, this new technology, Kyle, is designed to handle it if you get the path right.

Does that make sense? So if we can get you slightly sweeping up on that ball, and the driving range is a great place to practice this because who cares if you fall one off. But my sense is when you get onto some of these holes farther in on the round and you might start thinking about your score, your go-to shot is I'm going to trap this ball with my hands way ahead of the driver. And what happens is that loft on the driver just becomes nothing. And that's why the guys are sticking you in a 12 to try to keep a little loft on there. Jay, I like that a lot on the range. What do you think about him just on the range, like you said, swinging up a little bit and just thinking hitting some big old draws. Just to get that feeling, get that whole fade, slicey thing.

You and I have talked about this a lot through the years. When the confidence is low, it's so hard to think about hitting that golf ball up in the air. We want to just hit these low stinger before Tiger ever called it a stinger. We just call it the safety in and out. Let me find my damn golf ball.

Exactly. Yeah, so Kyle, I think that's a good thing. And go to the range and think about this, but when you make this swing to try to hit the ball in the air, you're going to let the ball go in the air with your driver. Think about keeping your hips really level, but think about your right shoulder staying lower than your left so that you're going to have a nice amount of angle with your shoulders when you come into that ball. That's going to feel weird to you, Kyle, because I'm thinking you're comfortable with a high right shoulder and your hand's leading. This is going to, you're going to start, I promise, if you hit 10 or 15 balls, you are going to smash one and it's going to go high and you're going to go… That's the way to do it. Yeah, you're going to go, huh, how do I do that?

Your buddies are going to be really pissed off, they're going to be jealous, and you're going to have this surprised look on your face, so you've got to work on that surprised look on your face. Here's how we end our whack and chase segments, Kyle. If we help you, we want you to call your mom and your dad, tell your wife, tell your brother, tell all of your buddies playing, tell all about us. If you keep hitting that driver skanky and lousy and crappy, tell me we never met.

Okay, you got a deal. Alright, so Kyle, the whack and chase is fun, we still have people calling in, we've still got a few in the can, so, and folks, if you want to join us for whack and chase, just email Jay at JayDelsonGolf.com, and that's J-A-Y spelled out on both sides of that, and we'll set up a time, you can jump on, and Pearl and I will make fun of your game, and you can make fun of our show, and we'll have a big time. Well, that's going to wrap up another show, Pearl. It's amazing. The magic keeps on just flowing out of you, Jay. Next week, we've got an interview with St. Louis Cardinals World Series champ Brad Thompson. It's a fun one. This is Golf with Jay Delson.

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