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Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing.

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What am I trying to say? Two shows in treatment for the Masters. Yeah. Yep. Back to back.

Love it. Yeah. So in 1968, Bob Golby won the Masters in, without question, the most controversial fashion, which, you know, when we could talk about this a little bit before the interview, Pearl, because when I got on with Bob, by the way, 92 years old, John.

Oh my gosh. I just, he was just absolutely terrific. I felt like once we started talking about golf, he really, really picked up his, I could almost, you know, feel him re-walking those steps and retracing those memories.

It was really fun. Golf lights him up. Golf lights him up even today. That's cool to be passionate like that. Just anywhere from his regular tour to his senior tour exploits. He was totally into it. Yeah, he totally wasn't. If you, if you guys want to go on YouTube, pull up the Butler Cabin presentation from 1968.

You'll see what, you'll, you'll see what I mean by, I looked at him like, this is just off. Roberto DiVincenzo and Bob Golby finished with the same score, supposedly in 1968. I think they were both either 11 or 12 under. And what happened was, as you know, we golfers are responsible for the hole by hole scores on each hole to make sure our score is right. Well, Roberto DiVincenzo signed for a four on number 17 when he actually made a three. And if he had made a four and signed for a three, he would have been DQ'd.

But he signed for a higher score, so he gets to keep the higher score. When that, when that error is found, Bob Golby wins the tournament. But, but John, and I didn't bring this up in the interview because Bob, when I talked to Bob ahead of time, he didn't want to talk about it. I don't blame him. But John, he received hate mail. He, it was like Bob Golby did something wrong. I mean, the man shot 66 on Sunday in Augusta to win the tournament because of an error by one of his competitors and really took a beating over it.

Well, I'm glad to know there was crazy, stupid, silly hate mail back then too, I suppose. Or maybe I'm not glad to know that. Yeah, it wasn't his fault. He did what he was supposed to do and the rules of golf handed it to him. Obviously it's a, it was a strange affair all the way around, but what are you going to say?

No, I'm not going to take it. That's part of the deal. We both had encounters with scorecard issues and stuff like that through all the career. It's part of the game, baby. It is part of the game.

Yeah. And it just kind of happens. And man, Pearl, I got to say this too. It's so nice to have the weather is broken and spring is sprung as they say. And man, I hope all of our listeners are out getting their game on. It's a, it's a tough time of year.

We said this last year. Let's talk just a little bit about that Pearl, before we go into the interview, the golf courses are without question in their most difficult scoring shape in the springtime. And we're excited to be out there. We have huge expectations and it's sometimes a little cool and it's a little bit soft. And so a lot of things aren't quite happening, right? So it's a tough combination, but maybe that's the combination where it's meant to be. Thank goodness for all excited about it. Otherwise it might be a little tough to put up with this time of year.

No, it's really true. And you know, especially for folks in the Midwest, John, we get breezy conditions in the spring and in the fall, but in the summertime, we very seldom get any sort of wind. Right. But man, with the, with the ground being soft and the wind being up the grass is long because of the spring rains and the greens not being their best. Those, those combinations make it extremely tough, man, extremely tough times to score.

That's all right though. That's part of the game and we enjoy each of the seasons and they each come with another challenge. I mean the game's challenging enough and then the season's caused and the weather's caused the challenge, but that's all part of it. Yeah. Well, hopefully some of our listeners got their butts off the couch, got a little walking in, got some sort of exercise, some stretching in.

So they're going to leg up this year and, and be ready to play. So Jen, Jordan Spieth struggled and didn't win on the PGA tour for four years. Ricky Fowler is going through something pretty similar, but in fairness to Spieth, I don't think Ricky's record matches up to Jordan's, especially in my mind, Jordan's won three majors and I think 12 events. And I think Ricky's won only five, but it's, it's interesting to, to watch somebody work through those chasms, Pearl, and then come out on top again, isn't it? Well, we know what happens and it happens to different levels with, with different folks, but it always happens.

And you certainly get your medal tested. You know, Jay, who do you, what do you know that you can share that each of them is doing maybe a little bit differently relative to their instructors, the team, are they changing their teams in and out, you know, meaning their, their strength, their strength guy, their swing, their swing guy, their, their, their psychological guys, part of the team. What do you know, if anything about those guys on how they're handling the, that kind of rough patch. And obviously, as you said, Jordan's been more than coming out of it.

Yeah. So what was really interesting to me, Pearl is Jordan's long time swing coach, Cameron McCormick. He stuck with him through this really difficult four years, really difficult. And Ricky left butch about a year ago. And boy, I just what I know of, of teachers, john Cameron McCormick spin with speech since he's been a little kid, what I know about teachers, boy, I don't know if I'd ever want to go away from butch once I got, you know, the ability to get in front of him. Somebody else went away from butch once upon a time, a fairly famous guy and took him a little bit of time to kind of get things back in order. Yeah, that's absolutely right. I am your target, Mr. Tiger Woods, right?

You are separated ways. And if I remember right, you know, Tiger was always great. But with when he was with butch, things were rather spectacular. Obviously, something changed to have them part ways. But Tiger had had less than Tiger esque times after that for a while. Yeah, he sure did.

And I did get an update on Tiger Pearl, just to report a little bit. He's I think, Rory McIlroy, JT, Ricky Fowler, the guys, some of the brooks, some of the guys that live in that area, have really done a neat job of staying in touch with him and kind of going by visiting with him for a little bit and just trying to keep his spirits up because Rory had a great comment where he said, Look, every single thing is better when Tiger plays. That's just that's just the only way to look at it. And we need him out here. We want him out here. And we just hope for the best. And Rory did say in one of his interviews at Augusta last week, where he said Tiger's doing much better than Rory himself thought and he had very, very high hopes for Tiger play in PGA Tour caliber golf. So wow, I said the same thing job.

Well, when it comes up, I don't you and I both agreed to not be speculating and I just hope for him. I want to see him play with the sun again. Yeah, man, if that happens as a selfish thing, from my perspective, that was a thing of beauty in the world of golf. And I hope we get to see a lot more of that in the future. Yeah, Pearl is almost like a thing of life, wasn't it?

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This September, September 6th through 12th, Norwood Hills, North County, St. Louis, Missouri is going to be the place to be in the golf world. I love it, and you are kind of tuning up, and you're sounding like you're starting to get ready. I'm pretty excited for you. Yeah, my new knee's kicking in. I haven't fallen down too many times today, so yeah, looking forward to this, and I'm really looking forward, John, to listening to our 1968 Masters champion, Bob Golby, on our show today.

Let's go straight to that interview. That has to be one of the great clutch putts of all time. And those two, that is Roberto Divicenzo, and he and Bob Golby finish the fourth round in the 1968 Masters, tied 11 under par. 1968 Masters champion Bob Golby is brought to you by Golden Tee. I am sitting down this morning with Mr. Golf, the godfather of golf in St. Louis, Bob Golby. Bob, thanks for joining me this morning.

Well, my pleasure. It's nice and warm, and I'm headed to the Masters on Monday. A friend of mine is flying me down and flying me back, so I'm going to be there about four days, watching, talking to the guys again, and it's always a great time of life for me because 53 years ago I got lucky and won the tournament, and it always brings back great memories and great friends that week. Everybody in golf seems to be around the Masters that week.

If you want to meet anybody in the golf career field business, you get them a big oak tree in front of the clubhouse and you can see everybody in the world that makes the golf courses kick. You know, Bob, what a thrill to win the Masters in 1968. Take us back a little bit to that time and playing the tour. You had a great PGA Tour career, 12 wins, and we'll talk about how you were an integral part of establishing the Champions Tour in a little bit, but take us back to that time. Well, I hadn't played well in the last couple weeks before that tournament.

I missed the cut. I had a little gimmick going. You know, golf is a lot of gimmicks, a lot of mental gimmicks.

You get a little key that you're working on and it works and it gives you some confidence in the way you go. I was always long enough off the tee, but I've never been real straight. I had a good iron player, but I drove the ball well that week at the Masters, and I putted well. Of course, you have to putt well to win. I only had one three putt for the week, and that's pretty amazing at a Masters.

You usually have three or four or five for the winner. But anyway, I played well that week and I hit a lot of good drives, which helped my game because I told you I was a good iron player, but not the straightest driver in the world. A couple guys always said you'd be the lead running 100 feet to drive the damn ball straight. Well, Bob, it's amazing to think of that final round 66. I mean, you must have really had a great Sunday. Yes, I shot 66 the final round. My three putt at 17 was, as I told you, I only had one three putt for the week. I had control of my game off the tee and with the irons. Of course, I putted well. You have to putt well at any golf tournament and be in contention, much less win.

I was on top of my game that week. Of course, I ended up winning and it was a great honor. It puts you in another category in golf. Here's the category and there's the category and I got into the so-called second category with the win at the Masters. Although I had a lot of good tournaments before that and after that, I played golf a long time on the tour, both seniors and regular tour and had, I thought, success.

Maybe some people in the Tigers category or Snead or Hogan or Palmer. Mine wasn't so good, but you got to understand how you get started and how much golf you played before and whether you were prepared to play the tour. The kids today are really prepared to play the tour. When you played and I played, we had to learn how to play golf once we got along the tour. Oh, Bob, that is so true. Bob, you were one hell of an athlete. You went to the University of Illinois to play football, didn't you? I went there on the football scholarship, yes. I didn't intend to play golf there. I was a golfer.

I started caddying as a kid. I lived next to a country club across the street in Belleville, Illinois. That's where I learned to start playing. I'd sneak over every night and play because I lived right there. That's where I learned to play golf.

I got to Rio. I could shoot somewhere around par before I went to high school. I couldn't do it every day, but I was capable of being a halfway decent golfer at that time. It's amazing how back when we played, Bob, I played whatever sport was seasonal at the time. When it was cold out, we played basketball. We played a little hockey. When it got warmer, we played baseball and a little golf. Like you said, we just played a bunch of sports and went around to stick on a ball where today's players, man, by the time they're in their teens, they're focused on one game and one game only, I think.

That's right. They start preparing for that one sport now rather than playing all of them. Of course, I am amazed even by watching the players through the years get better and better as younger and younger and how good that they are and how good that they may be in the future. It's amazing how great control the golf ball. What amazes me, even back in Hogan and Snead day, I was very fortunate to be able to play with Hogan and Snead a lot. I played with middle coach and then give me divide. I played with James Harrison and a partner the first year in the legends of golf. I go back to Palmer and of course I played one round of golf with Tiger.

I always thought to myself, I was pretty complete. I went through a pretty big cycle of players. There are great players. And my favorite where with Sam Snead, I thought he was the best of them all, but he didn't have the same makeup mentally as some of them have. He wasn't as tough mentally. He let the birds and the pretty girls and automobiles, different noises, bothering, you know, where a Nicholas and the Hogan big seem to play right through all the problems, including the tiger.

He's the same way. And of course, now the young kids at the schooling of all of those great champions and how they acted and that's the way they're playing and acting today. And we're seeing these great stars come up, come to surface early in their career.

I can't believe how young they are and how good they are. Bob, I was thinking the same thing because there was a process I felt like, and I never got to the nearly to the level that you did, but there was a process that, you know, you, you got your, you got on tour, then you had to figure out how to keep your card. And then you try to, had to figure out how to win and, and get to these different levels. But some of these kids like Colin Morikawa and you know, they come on, on the scene and all of a sudden, you know, they're winning a major their rookie year. Well, that's true.

And of course, as I said, I don't know what's going to happen in the future. They can't, it doesn't seem like they can get much better quicker, but, but they keep doing it week after week. They shoot lower scores and it just is amazing. Of course, all athletes are better and everybody's better at everything they do, but especially the athletes, of course, we know the basketball players, how much they've improved.

They're fantastic. And you know, the golfers are approaching that particular pinnacle. I I'm amazed with the young guys, how good they are and how they handle themselves. Yeah. They're really doing well. I know when you started playing and I did, we actually had to learn how to play golf on the tour because we didn't play a lot of amateur golf.

We couldn't afford to nowadays. It seems like the young kids can get pushed by the junior, junior leagues around the country. And by the area, they, they take care of the young players and they push them. And the PGA of America has a youngster playing good golf and they got this good instructor.

They instructors. It's a, it's amazing what the game has done and how far it has come in, in the 50, 60 years that I played. Oh my gosh, Bob, tell me what made Sam Snead the best player in your opinion. I mean, he, I got to play with him one time and I couldn't believe how he could work the ball and hit shots. And I don't see that from the modern player very much anymore.

Wow. They've just, they played different types of golf courses. One thing, smaller grains, harder fairways. The ball got away from them easier. Now that they're bigger fairways, longer courses, the golf ball is held up a lot by the grasses. They can carry the ball a long way.

Now I never used to do that. They used to have to play a little bump and run shots, the little greens. You couldn't carry the green. He'd go over, make a double bogey six real quick. So the game was a little bit different. It was 60, 70 years ago that it is today because now they're bombers and they get way out there and they just force a nine or a wedge on the green where years ago they had, they better be in a parallel because it's trying to hit a five out of it.

Deep rough isn't too easy. It's a lot easier hitting the wedge. The game, the game is really changed in the last 10 years just by being the bombers. I think we'll go back. If they tighten the courses up a little bit, they still don't shoot the low scores that they shoot every day on the big courses. We're going to have to tighten them up and get the ropes a little higher and make them a little more narrow and a little more competitive. I think we just play it now up to the big hitter. We're taking the medium good player out of the game. Yeah.

There's no question. And you watch, Bob, you got to play in the Ryder cup in 1963. I also know that you got to, uh, you were a mainstay on the NBC golf, uh, telecast for I think almost 14 years. Bob, talk a little bit about what it was like playing in a Ryder cup and also how did the TV, how did the TV change the way you saw the game? Uh, well, it was a great trail to play on the Ryder cup team.

I should have been on three other ones, but I just barely missed, but that's at the sneaker here. Uh, it was a great honor to play for the United States. And of course, when they raised the flag and play the star spangled banner, we all got a little chill and, and it was a great honor. I got some good matches.

I played at Eastlake Atlanta, Georgia, the Bobby Jones, his own course, and they, they played the tour championship there. And now in the fall, it's a good course and a good test. And of course, uh, but I forget that second part of the question that you asked. Yeah. You were with NBC sports, uh, for 14 years when doing the telecast, did it, did, did it help you see the game a little differently?

Yeah. Well, anytime you got a chance to sit back and watch the game from, uh, from, uh, announcer side of it, it helps your, your exposure. And of course it helps your exposure to the game.

You saw it a little bit different. You kind of watch the swings a little better than when you're playing with somebody, you add a little more time. And, uh, it, it, it actually, most people that did a little television work, their games improved and that's kind of unbelievable. You think it'd go the other way, but I think the fact that they learned a little bit by watching the great players and see how they acted from a, from a different perspective, you know, when you're playing with them, you're fighting against them and you're not really watching all the detail, but when you're just following in the Gulf, announcing you, you just seem to see a little more that's going on with the player. And, you know, we mentioned Snead because what made him such a great player? Well, he had the gift of the greatest timing of any sportsman ever lived. He could do more things with his body than anybody thought he could do. You know, when he was 85, he could still get the ball out of the bottom of the cup without bending the knees. And that's, that's unbelievable that he could do that. He could do things like that, but nobody else could even think of doing. And of course he, in 1958, uh, uh, sports shows stated wrote an article and they want to know who the, from the tour, they want to know, they go to the top 25 guys.

They want to know who the best iron player was and who the best wedge player and all of one category guys just wrote Sam Snead across all the different categories. So most of the players that played with him knew that he was that good. Now, of course we've had tiger and Nicholas and Palmer, and we got some of these other Watson, other great players come along and kind of overshadowed Sam a little bit because he's not dead or protect himself, but, uh, he was a great player and great for the game. A lot of people thought he was grouchy, but he was a, he was really a good guy. He got to know him. He was funny. And, uh, from the Hills of West Virginia, he played the part a little bit being dumb and cheap, but, uh, that was just an act by Sam. He was, he was a smart guy and knew how to take care of a buck.

Yeah. You know, Bob, I've heard stories about that. And so many times the personas that we hear about people aren't really true. You know, once you get to know them, I bet you had some amazing stories with the way you guys traveled back then. Cause I know you did, you drove to most of the events there. There have to be, you probably could fill a couple of volumes of books with some of these stories.

Yeah. Well, some of the stories we can't write about, there was a little more fun in the tour years ago because everybody wasn't making commercials on Monday and Tuesday or playing TV matches. There wasn't any of that stuff. It was just drive to the next sermon and play practice rounds and get ready for the next sermon. And then Monday and Tuesday rounds were always a lot of fun.

Didn't have as many programs in those stages as they have today. And so they had another day like Wednesday to practice and play and gamble a little bit. When I say gamble, a lot of people thought the players probably gamble a lot more than they do. They gamble, but not, not for big, big money once in a while, I guess it'd be a big game, but normally they're just playing for a hundred dollars or $50 and $10, you know, kind of a, just a little competitive bet. And, uh, I think that's the only way for a young player to get to be a good player is to play for his own money. A lot of players can play for the prize money, but they can't play for own money.

It's just funny the way the person put together. And sometimes, uh, there was a little money games prepare you for the tournament. Uh, I know Sam, he wanted to gamble every practice round.

He wouldn't play if we didn't have a game. And I was very fortunate with a couple of hundred times with Sam, I, uh, got to be his best friend by, by his own writing by his own pictures. You know, he wrote off to my best friend, everything that he ever signed from me. And, uh, I always treasured that being Sam's best friend and later years when he was slipping a little bit, he always just come to me and said, Bob, what do you think about this?

What do you think we ought to do about this? He kind of used me as a compliment and that made me feel very proud. Oh my gosh.

I would say so. And you know, there's something about Bob taking a $20 or a hundred dollar bill out of your own pocket and giving it to you. That stint. I don't like that. And I like you a lot.

I don't want to give you my hundred dollar bill. Yeah. Well, it's a, you know, I was just telling somebody the other night about Sam told me when he only room one time with Olga and he said that Hogan was, was grounded his teeth all night long, kept awake. And the next morning Sam said, I'm never sleeping with you. He said, do you make noise all night long? Hogan just told him, he said, Sam, you got to learn how to relax and sleep.

He had never traveled with Hogan again after that one night. Okay. That's going to wrap up the front nine, but don't go anywhere. Uh, on the back nine, we'll have the conclusion of this interview with Bob Golby. This is golf with Jay Delson. Hey everybody. It's Vince Gill.

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They will help you and take care of any of your insurance needs. We are going straight to the back half, last half of the Bob Golby interview. As a short put here for the record. Bob got it. Need goes over to congratulate Bob Golby on that record-breaking score. Very fine golf by both players and the scores were Sam Snead even par 71 and to set a new course record here at the Philadelphia Country Club, Bob Golby with a six on the par 65.

Bob Golby is brought to you by Golden Tee. Who was the fiercest competitor back in your generation? Who was the toughest guy to play against? Doug Ford won more tournaments in 1950s than any other player. More money and more tournaments than any other player and most people will know he even played but he won 20 tournaments in the 50s and he was I think without a good golf swing. I don't say the golf swing is bad but he wasn't a perfect-looking Sam Snead swing and he didn't knock the ball nine miles and he wasn't real straight but he knew how to play golf and knew how to get the ball in the hole and I never saw him leave a 10-footer short.

He had a strong set of you-know-what. He went after every puck. He tried to make it and of course he three-putted once in a while but he was the best competitor. Nobody wanted to play him because he was a good chipper and putter and he knew how to score. He was hard to beat the match play. He won the PGA as a match play player in 1956 he won. He was the best competitor I ever saw without being a great swinger but as we say he knew how to play golf and that's important.

What your capabilities are, what the other guy can do. Sometimes you got to play what off of his hand and I think Doug Ford knew how. He was smart, quick-footed, quick mind and he knew how to play. This is golf with Jay Delsing. I'm visiting with Masters champion Bob Golby also member of the St. Louis Golf Hall of Fame, the Illinois State Hall of Fame, the Belleville Walk of Fame and Bob you also fought and served for the U.S. military in the Korean War. How long did you spend away from the game and during the war time? Well I didn't see a golf club during the two years I was in got drafted in 1950 and fortunately I didn't go to Korea. I ended up in Germany. We didn't have a wall at that time the burn wall we just had a barbed wire fence and my company the fourth division reconnaissance company we would guard that barbed wire fence and the Russians had a gun big as my thigh and our gun looked like we had a finger sticking there on our tanks so we were a little cautious all the time of one of our crazy guys firing at the Russians and caused another war but I didn't get into any fighting fortunately and I didn't play golf at all I never saw a club for two years while I was in the service which hurt my game maybe a little bit but who knows you sometimes you work harder sometimes you got a ticket it comes timing is everything in golf you got to be there at the right time just like now coming along people playing they're playing for so much money it's unbelievable you know I remember in 1957 I was 29 leading one of her and I won eleven thousand dollars I was exempt for the next year which was the main thing but at that time we only saw declares were exempt not 125 and you go back and think why didn't make much money then but times were changed and nobody knew what the game was going to do and where the country was going so it looked like we were still making decent money and we were we lived good got to play golf every day get the sun on your hair and the glass on your feet it's a great feeling to be in the spring when you smell that new mill and grass great time of year and a great game it really is a great game bob let's talk a little bit about the champions tour I know you were right in the middle of of forming that and establishing some of the the guidelines for that with some of these other great players with Snead and and and those guys well there were about five of us got started with Boris and Snead the Sykes Gardner Dickinson Don January and myself uh we kind of got together and got going and after the legends of golf had a two tournaments there and we found out maybe there was some interest uh I was senior golfer around the country and we ended up with seven tournaments in 1980 and then we had 13 we ended up with 42 which got to be too many and now they're back down to about 25 and that's a good number for the old guys uh I think it's uh been going now since 1980 and uh people say it won't last well it's lasted 40 years that's pretty good people are a little more conscious of joining the senior tour now like Mickelson just joined and won two out of the first three that he played in everybody seemed to jump out there and they're excited about being there and and and a new life and the way they go and they usually win early in the career on the second tour or the champions tour which always used to be called the seniors tour yeah I was involved heavily and uh I uh was involved with the television senior tour we got the dean had a problem trying to handle the regular tour dean Beeman the commissioner I'm talking about and uh he didn't think there was any interest in senior golf and I was working for Don Ohmeyer at NBC Sports and he said there was interest well anyway Don formed his own company Don Ohmeyer and I worked with him in between and we got 200,000 from Mazda for eight tournaments 25 of these and that was our start of us getting some television money to the senior tour and which would you say well that wasn't any money but the exposure was great and we got people knowing that we were playing and before long we were we were jumped up there with a lot more money from the television and we steadily grew from that point on and the television was the big mover and of course Palmer joined us I guess you could say with one thing we were very lucky about when we first started we had Boris and Bolt and and Snead our catalysts when we got going and Palmer joined us about a year later he didn't want to play senior golf but he found out he could win on the seniors and not on the regular so when he joined us that was a big boost and two years later we had Gary Player and Lee Torino come along which is superstardom jump onto the tour and that was good and a little later we had Earl and Ray Floyd some other good players come along and uh so every two years we seemed to get a shot of stardom and then Nicholas said that he wouldn't play senior golf but he did play quite a bit of it and when he and Palmer were battling again and the seniors it brought back memories of the regular tour and and it kept the rivalry alive anyway a bunch of things yelled for us on a senior tour and what we have now a year a tour that's been played 40 years and they play for quite a bit of money now and now the kids look forward to jumping off the regular tour onto the senior tour or champion steward as they call it today bob i gotta tell you i just you know you were such a part of growing the game and growing it from a tour standpoint uh that trickles down to the the average guy it is just incredible i don't know how much awareness you had at the time that what you were doing was going to be so great but i know personally i reaped a lot of the benefits from the things that you guys did and i really appreciate that well i was i had some good guys to work with so what little credit i get to go to all of us and uh you know we were very fortunate as we said to have sneed bowlers and boulders our catalyst when we got started and that we all had to work pretty hard to settle the programs and try to make a few nickels and be nice to the partners to make it work it uh it was a it was a group assessment of what we had to do and we we got it done well we really appreciate what you've done for the game and growing the game let's talk just briefly and just wrap up this interview with uh talk about your sons i know um you have three boys and i know kai is uh very much involved in the um golf course design business yes uh that's my older son kai he's 57 he's uh he's building a course in aiken south carolina not too far from saint louis donald popper buff and uh he just finished uh remodeling all the greens at oakland hill the famous course in in uh detroit suburb of detroit uh i finished second in the open there in 1961 and now this past year my son spent a year there redoing all the greens and bunkering and uh it's kind of ironic how the game of golf comes and goes around my family's still involved of course i've got the house family they're all involved in golf and got a new one coming along jerry's son jerry's the coach at the wake forest and he's got a son that's a freshman or sophomore in high school that's that's really good and uh so maybe we'll read about another house someday well i sure hope so bob uh thanks so much for joining me today thanks for sharing the stories thanks for all you did for the game and enjoy the heck out of uh the masters and uh and and enjoy some of those old memories about slipping on that green jacket oh i'll do that and i you know look forward to the dinner that night on tuesday night's always a highlight of the week and uh i'll be back home after next thursday i'm coming back and watch the tournament over the weekend and jay uh thanks for your part in golf and of course i knew your father when he played with his hurdles and um i uh you've always been a gentleman and a good guy for the game and unfortunately i i thought that you were going to do better on a tour you thought you were going to do better and so did everyone else but sometimes one 10-foot putter can change your whole career 10-foot putt and and turn you backwards instead of forward and you never know when that happened to you but uh we still partially make a little living on golf and enjoy doing it and uh thanks for what you do all right that's going to wrap up the back nine but pearl how about the sort of players that bob talked about in this interview just the who's who it was so much fun to hear from that perspective he was very definite on his beliefs of those different guys and uh as some really good stories sometimes it would be fun to hear the stories that you can't necessarily hear for radio either uh because uh that was a different crew back then oh absolutely all right so that's going to wrap up the back nine but don't go anywhere perley and i'll break this thing down on the mikkel of alger 19th hole this is golf with j delsing this is build with the third president of the st louis cardinals and you're talking to j delsing and wait oh sorry what's the name of the show golf with j delsing let me start my bad knee affected everything i did from walking to swinging a golf club ssm health physical therapy has titleist performance institute certified physical therapist they performed a physical screen on me to see how efficiently i was moving and then gave me golf specific stretching and exercises to help my game it's been awesome call them at 800-518-1626 or visit them on the web ssm physical therapy.com to get set up with one of the tpi certified physical therapists see you out on the course your therapy our passion 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something for me it's not fine when i'm out there playing with you and uh and some of those 16 year olds that you're turning into superstars and they're hitting at 50 by me 60 by me right now it's not fine for me i haven't let that go yet you know pearly pisses me off a little bit too um uh old blake scornia uh kind of dropped package on one of my drives by about 30 yards last time i played with him and i wasn't too tickled about that either it's it's but it's interesting how these two guys now bob's older but wayne he was cool with it was relative to hockey he said hey these guys are bigger they're better they're faster the equipment's better he says that's the way it should be i can't get there i'm working on it but i can't get there well i i so one of my what i was so excited to ask bob was who he thought the best player he ever played with because he got to play with jack he got to play with arnold gary player you know the big three he got to play with watson he got the but but then pearl you go back in time and he got to play with demerit and sarazen and um sneed and hogan and um you know doc carrie middlecroft those guys we're we're talking about a um a laundry list of hall of famers well and then even a a touch with tiger wood so i mean what what a what a uh a span that he got to see in the game uh that there was just kind of probably unprecedented he was kind of in that sweet spot to to experience all that and who did he and who did he come up with sam sneed the best player of all time well he's won the most tournaments that's for sure and um i did ask i love the question i couldn't wait to ask the question i mean about who was the toughest competitor who was had the most grit and he said pearl and we played with him or at least i played i don't know if he did you get a chance to play with doug ford uh no i did not okay so i played with doug ford and um oh my gosh uh as as bob said it he had the biggest set of you know what he's ever seen in his life and he played he's bob said when you would watch him play he should have never won an event and he said he won over 20 times in his in the span that he mentioned and uh so just tons and tons of respect for for a player like that absolutely absolutely yeah just fun stuff and what as you said in the opening what he's accomplished and what he's kind of brought brought to the uh the game of golf just the whole senior tour and i do remember that a little bit too as far as the doubts people had and it's not going to last and nobody's going to care and then whatever whatever he joked i don't remember whatever it is but it's been around for many years and obviously it it has stuck and by the way it's very possibly moving into another pretty cool time because there's a lot of uh very talented guys uh out there again uh uh kind of priming the pump for that uh for that tour no you're right pearl an absolute renaissance going on right now and that's where the ascension charity classic comes in the st louis is going to get to see this be right in the middle of ernie ells and jim furik and phil mickelson and couples will still be around it's uh it's pretty impressive and when you think about you know what um what bob and that group did you know they started with eight events john eight events and and um it's interesting the way that that this game is because you and i know this all the time we talk about the charitable aspects we talk about networking and how fortunate i've been because of the players i've met through the game the people i've met through the game through different industries and things like that bob golby talks about his time with nbc when he was working do you remember don olmeyer great guy huge ucla supporter when we were out playing bel air all the time and don said to bob that's a bunch of bs they they will support that there will be money for tv and don olmeyer went out and stood behind that tour and he did so many great things in the world of television and sports but he had his hand in a big hand in in the champions tour as we know it today he sure did it a lot of a lot of uh fun stories uh with him across the board what's uh what's the lineage a little bit with some of the folks you know with dillard pruitt and j hoss tell us tell us a little bit about where he fits in that for the folks that know some of those names right so bob golby is j hoss's uncle and j married dillard pruitt's sister jan and um oh gosh um you know then j son j juh bill hoss j jr was a good player went to augusta state and played college golf but j hoss had a great career and still playing on the pj tour won four or five events won the tour championship one year so the golf lineage runs deep from belville illinois john that's awesome absolutely i'm glad you told some of that story you know that's going to wrap up another show uh pearl thanks for being with me this week appreciate it j fun another another fun interview and uh a double masters whammy yeah that's 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