Golf With Jay Delsing

Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now, he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing.

On The Range is brought to you by Vehicle Assurance. Hey, good morning. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. I got Pearly with me. Pearly, what's happening this morning?

Ready to go, man. All kinds of crazy things are happening, but we'll be ready for the Golf with Jay Delsing show for me. You got all sorts of crazy things happening. Are you on some other exotic vacation somewhere?

Parts unknown? I'm just a little... Yeah, I'm down in Texas looking out at Richland Chambers Lake as we speak and just ready to go with the show, man. Just cut it. Must be nice. Just... A little crappie fishing coming up this afternoon. Ready to go. Oh, really? Yeah.

I hope you don't throw your back out or something over there, winging your pole across the water well. We formatted it around the show, like around the golf, and the first segment is called the On The Range segment, and the underage segment is brought to you by Vehicle Assurance. 866-341-9255.

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The results have been fantastic, and that's all I pay any attention to. Boy, I don't know. We might have to take the social media away from him. What do you think? I think he's been on vacation too much. He's kind of put it on the back burner.

Does he understand that social media can go with you? I think the numbers are better than they've ever been. I think you're in the results. At the end of the day, we just tallied up your score when you're on tour. We didn't overly critique because that could have been tough. What the fuck?

Chris, if I've ever heard. Let's just acknowledge that our numbers are the best they've ever been and steadily climbing. Give me a pat on the back and let's move on to the next subject. Congratulations.

We're not moving on to the other subject. I want to know, do you know what the Twitter logo looks like, Pearl? It's a little blue bird.

Wow. It's not a blue bird. It's a white bird, isn't it? Oh, it's a blue bird. All right. It's a bird.

It's a bird. Oh, wow. I tried to keep you to quit digging, but you kept digging. I don't know what else to do. I keep digging and there I go.

I fall in the hole. All right. Well, ladies and gentlemen, Pearlie has got a big grip on our social media, as you can tell. I do want to thank Bob and Kathy Donahue at Donahue Painting and Refinishing, 314-805-2132. Inside of your home, outside of your home, whatever you need, these guys are beautifying homes all across the Midwest, all across the Saneless area.

Call them. They are terrific people. All right. So, Pearl, here's a little overview of the show. We had 30 minutes or so with David Farity this week. Man, getting to sit down with him.

We had a little rough audio quality, but the content's pretty good. He's always fun, and I love your friendship because it kind of brings that interview to a different level that you're not really going to hear any place else, Jay. It's just a lot of fun to hear you talk with him. He's such a good guy. Man, has he accomplished a lot, and has he ever do a lot of good stuff?

Yeah. Boy, I love how candid he is how he talks about things, and so we'll just tease that as we go along here, Pearl. But we've got a couple of other things to talk about. It's hard to have a golf show and not bring up Sam Burns in some way, shape, or form. He just continues to lead golf tournaments, John, almost week in and week out. To me, when I texted you several times when he was playing, I just love the way the guy goes at it. You're talking about just having a raw athlete going out there and just whacking at that golf ball. Obviously, he's got good form, good technique, but there's a whole lot of athleticism in that thing. It's fun to watch, and he just kind of plays that cut, and he's just going to keep on playing that cut, and it's just great. I wish the heck I could go at it like that guy. Yeah, it's an athletic endeavor for sure. We brought him up a couple of weeks ago talking about the story and how he got his parents to build him a putting green in the backyard.

Pretty awesome stuff. But Jay, how about what happens to a player when they start playing with confidence? We know how it is also when you play and you've lost your confidence. This guy just absolutely believes in himself. He had some good tournaments, and he goes out and gets that win, and now he's just teed it up from going to bed at night and thinking, I'm pretty sure I'm going to win again. It's kind of neat to see a guy play with that much confidence. It's tough to watch a guy fall apart. You can see when a guy loses his mojo or is missing cuts. All of a sudden, this guy thinks, I'm pretty sure this is my tournament, no matter where it is or when it is.

Yeah, absolutely. It's interesting to watch, isn't it, John? Because it's so starkly contrasted with a guy like Sam Burns compared to a guy like Rickie Fowler. Rickie's got some good rounds.

He's making some birdies quite often. But you look at that Friday round, John, it is such an indicator, isn't it, on where you sit. When things aren't going well and your confidence is a little low, you wind up on that cut line every single Friday afternoon.

Yeah, it's funny. I was actually hitting some balls today and I kind of thought of that question as a pretty obvious answer. But I was thinking, what would you rather have, your putter-hotter that could be hitting the ball real good or confidence? I think at the end of the day, really nothing matters unless you've got confidence. You can hit it good sometimes and not necessarily have great confidence. But when you've got that confidence, you just can make things happen. You know, those days, like you and I talked a little bit, you just stood up on the team going kind of the same thing. He's like, I know I'm going to contend or I know I'm going to have a chance to win or I should win this thing, even though he's hitting all over the lot.

But there's just that mindset that we want that takes us to the next level, really, no matter how we're doing. You know, it's interesting because you don't have to stop this conversation at golf, do you? I mean, it's all through the – you see guys in the NBA. I mean, pro, there's a time when Steph Curry, it's like all I have to do is shoot.

It doesn't matter from how far. It doesn't matter how off balance I am. I mean, he was just hooping things from all over the place. And then you also look at some of the great defenders in Major League Baseball and they just go get it. You know, they just go get it, pick it up, throw it, and get the put out.

And the same with batters. And it's pretty amazing to watch confidence. Confidence is – oh, man, that is the number one in terms of being an athlete. Well, and it transcends into business, personal life, et cetera.

I agree. However you can get it, get it, and gosh dang it, keep doing that to hold on to that confidence because it's always a major advantage, always. So, John, I don't have the business acumen that you do, but I've, you know, owned a couple of companies and things like that on a smaller level.

But keep that to business. Like, what does that confidence look like? Are you talking about in decision-making and you just have a higher degree of trusting yourself? Are you thinking you're more aggressive, you're more conservative?

What does that mean? I think it's just what you just said. Kind of no matter what comes your way, you're going to be able to handle it. You've got enough confidence there. And not to get too far into it, enough confidence to say, I'm not sure, I better chip this one out. You know, just that level of I know what I know, I have a sense of what I don't know. I'm going to be comfortable enough in my own skin no matter who I deal with in business. And if things get a little rocky, because I've been down that road enough times, I'm going to be able to just sit there and make the right decision for the moment. That's why I think it transcends.

It's not a lot of difference when it's not caddy for you. Pressure is really coming down the pike. Hey, maybe you're not hit, maybe the conditions are super tough, and you adjust. That's how I mean it is appropriate to business or personal life. I really think that.

Yeah, and it's interesting, isn't it? You said something interesting, because most folks would think when you're most confident, you're going to go for the most things. And it's not the case, especially in golf. When I was most confident, I was chipping out a lot more. I was chipping out a lot more, realizing one bogey wasn't going to ruin my day or my tournament.

And oftentimes, I didn't even make that bogey. Yeah, you're thinking better, there's a flow, you understand the flow, the rhythm to the round. Whether you're on the golf course, you're at home, or you're in the boardroom, it's the same general thing of who are you, what's your tendencies, and let's pay attention to those.

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This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. Pearly's with me. Pearly, you're still here? You didn't go on another vacation, did you? Nope. Just getting my lures ready though, but I'm here.

All right. We're headed to the front nine. We're headed to the front nine by the Ascension Charity Classic, September 6th through 12th. This year, Norwood Hills, it's going to be the hub of all of golf in the entire world. There's no PGA Tour event opposite it. We're going to have the best champions tour field there. Ascension is doing everything they can to make this thing rock.

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A little reminder of a few things. David's done 10 years of the Faraday show on NBC Golf Channel. Network golf analysis for well over 20 years. European Ryder Cup player and five-time winner on the European Tour. Let's go listen to this Irishman talk a little bit. Well, there are characters and there are characters, and Mr. Faraday is, I guess, akin to Simon Hobbs.

You never know what he's going to say and when he's going to do it. David Faraday is brought to you by Golden Tee. David, good morning. What's going on in Texas?

I know it's a nice sunny morning here. Simon making a rifle for a soldier. Ah, man, I know that when we talked last time, you were doing some really cool stuff for the heroes, for the troops first. I know that the shooting has been a passion of yours.

Where did that come from? You know, I grew up surrounded by soldiers and sailors and airmen and marines. But it was in Northern Ireland in an urban war zone, really. And I always had great respect for them. When I came here to the United States, you know, I wanted to be able to go and entertain them if at all possible. So I went with the USO in 2007, and I went there on Irishman, went to Iraq, and I came back an American. And that's the short version of that story. Yeah, no, I can remember that had a massive impact on you.

And then the troops first stuff. We've talked a lot about that, David. I've done a couple things for you. I've been completely honored to meet these men and women. I've never met truer patriots and more authentic people.

I mean, the topic's not big enough, right, to describe these people, is it? Yeah, no, they really are just the highest quality people in America. They're amazing young men and women, and it's just an honor to be around them.

It's the most fun that I have, really, you know, is the time that I spend with them. You know, but it's another tip of our cap to the game of golf, too, because without the game of golf, how the hell would we have these connections? I mean, you may have.

I certainly wouldn't have. Yeah, that's the truth. So what's going on? So no more shows. Tell us a little bit about that, and are you happy about that, sad about that?

What's happening? Yeah, you know, I guess overall I'm sad about it, but it was a 10-year run, and that's a long time in television. It's just with COVID and the Golf Channel moving to Stanford, Connecticut from Orlando, they lost half their people, really. You know, all of my crew was laid off, and I think it was just a combination of events, really. But, you know, I'm happy with the way the show went and the fact that it lasted as long as it did, and I got to interview so many great people. It was a fantastic opportunity.

I loved it. Oh, but the people that you interviewed was just fantastic. Does any specific – I know this is a hard one – but any specific comment or interview stick out in your mind more than others? There were so many, Jay, you know, 160 people and four presidents, and people like Tom Watson, who is like a big brother to me, was a tremendous influence on me, getting me sober and helping so much with my life. That will always be a special one to me. Bill Russell, you know, the greatest winner in the history of American sports was – you knew when you shook hands with Bill Russell that you were in the presence of greatness, and, you know, he's still – I'll text him every now and then, and he's a tremendous human being and a great character, and I wish there were more Bill Russells around. Lisa Rice, Samuel Jackson, Matthew McConaughey, boy, I mean, the list just goes on. I forget people and then, you know, remember them and how wonderful it was to be with them.

It was just an amazing time. And, Bud, you know what's interesting about Bill Russell? In a day and age where everybody is trying to get their face out and do this, tell their story, serve their own brand, this guy is the exact opposite, isn't he?

I'm sorry? In a day and age where, you know, everybody is trying to get their face on TV and do whatever they can to push their own agenda and to build their own brand, Bill Russell's the exact opposite, isn't he? Yeah, he is. He's so low-key and so quiet, but, you know, everything he says, everything he said to me was so profound and meant so much to me. I asked him what advice he would give any young athlete turning pro, and he just thought for a while. He stroked a stubbly gray chin, you know, and he said, be kind. Oh, my gosh.

Just the two most important words in the English language probably, you know, and, you know, that stuck with me all these years. Oh, my gosh, that's fantastic. Well, so let's go back a little bit. When we first met, we, I think the three, you and Sam Torrance and I played a practice round, and I've never had a more fun practice round listening to some of the stories about the beginning of your guys' friendship, the European tour and some of that crazy, the sleepwalking incident.

I mean, take us down memory lane a little bit. Share some of those fun stories, if you don't mind. Well, you know, I grew up really on the European tour. I turned pro at 17 and with a five handicap, so it took me a little while to get there. But, boy, I enjoyed myself when I got there. I don't have, you know, I don't have any regrets as odd as my life has turned out in places, that's for sure.

I don't think I would do anything different. You know, you would get 70 or 80 guys on the same airplane out of Heathrow going to a tournament, say, for example, in Madrid. And, you know, there are only two hotels.

So the whole field was concentrated. You know, either in an airport, on an airplane, or in a hotel, or on a golf course. And you really get to know people really well when you're traveling with them in that kind of a circus.

You know, so Sam kind of took me under his wing. There was an Irish player, John O'Leary, who recently passed away, unfortunately, who was a third member of the sort of group that we moved in. And people like Richard Boxall, Derek Cooper, you know, Boxie is now in television on the European side.

Derek Cooper is now a rules official with the PGA European Tour. And I actually came to America first in 1979 to try and get my US Tour card. And this was before I even had a European one.

I was a little bit of a stretch, to say the least, for a five handicap. And I spent a couple of years in Orlando studying under Phil Ritson at Disney. And went back and got, I got my European card, I think.

I went back to the tour school and did get it, you know, I think in 70, I don't know, I don't know when it was, it was so long ago. But shortly thereafter, I ran into you. Because, you know, a lot of people don't know about you. I mean, you played all over the world.

You know, you're one of the Americans that enjoyed being abroad, enjoyed, you know, the kind of worldly aspect of it. There were others, you know, as well. But I remember you kind of stuck out like a six foot five sore thumb. I couldn't hide it in that huge head, man. It's hard to hide this head of mine, isn't it?

A big gold head, yeah. But we had great times. You know, I shared rooms with Sam Torrance long after I needed to share a room.

It was just too much fun, you know. And you're right, he was a sleepwalker. He would get up in the middle of the night. In Australia, he'd get up and walk to the elevator, start naked. And he's the hairiest human being the world has ever seen.

He's basically, he looks like these days. And not that I've seen him naked recently, you understand. Yeah, that got awkward, didn't it? It's good, man. Just keep going. The term hair sweater. Well, I'll just keep going.

Yeah, the term hair sweater comes to mind. I don't know. He goes to the elevator. And I'm peeking out of the door looking at him, you know what I'm saying. Sam, Sam, I'm in my boxer shorts. You know, so he's hit the elevator button. By the time I get to the elevator, he's gone. So I'm now in my boxer shorts. I'm out. And I get down to the lobby and he's standing there just stark naked, staring around.

And there's an elderly couple having a cup of tea or something. This is past midnight in Melbourne, Australia. And I slapped him on the back of the head. I said, Sam, wake up. And he wakes up. I said, you're stark naked. And he grabbed me by the hand and he said, well, let's go back to bed, dear. And these two folks looked at us like we were creatures from a different planet. And he wouldn't let go. And he's in the elevator.

He has the doors closed, waving goodbye to these. This old couple, it was most embarrassing. And one of just a few, you know, in that genre of story. You know, what's interesting, but is that we had so much fun, but there was also a hell of a lot of good golf played. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it was it was a great era. It was right when, you know, Bias Terrace and Faldo and Lyle and Woosom and liner and Olafaba. And, you know, they were coming over to the United States and making the making the Ryder Cup competitive again. They were winning the Masters.

And it was a great time to be in European golf. All right. That's going to wrap up the the front nine.

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Thank you. This is call for Jay Delson and your host, Jay. And I am sitting down with my buddy, founder of Folds of Honored, Lieutenant Colonel Dan Rooney. Dan, good morning. Jay, blessed to be with you. Thank you so much. Oh, my gosh, it's my honor. Sincerely. So let's talk about the 15th year of Patriot Day and you're in cahoots with another great organization, PGA Reach.

Let's talk just a little bit about what's going on, how and how people can help. Yeah, well, it's an awesome story if you're a golfer. We've we've issued the greatest hall pass in the history of the game, if nothing else, because your country needs you to go play golf over Memorial Day weekend.

And as you mentioned, the 15th year, it's hard to believe in time flies about as fast as I fly in F-16. But we're asking golfers to get out and play their most heroic round. And, you know, golf is a myopic sport by nature.

But this is the one time a year you get to play for someone else. And we ask you to go play golf and visit our Web site. Patriot golf days dot com or folds of honor dot org and make a donation. And we'll pay that forward in the form of scholarships to spouses and children who've had somebody killed or disabled defending our freedoms.

And, you know, it's amazing. We've been at at this 15 years going on our 15th anniversary with with Patriot Golf Day. And we've awarded now almost thirty thousand scholarships to spouses and children who've had somebody killed or disabled. That's about one hundred and forty five million dollars out the door. But we could not do it without our flagship fundraiser, which is Patriot Golf Day. And it's such a powerful example of the exponential force multiplier effect when you get a lot of people together on one mission. And we'll raise five or seven million dollars over Memorial Day weekend from people making small donations and going to play a round of golf with their buddies.

I mean, I mean, Dan, how does it get better than that? And I mean, golf is just such a societal powerhouse. And the fact that you've used this to help our heroes that need us is just fantastic.

Talk a little bit about the opening in American Dunes, too. It's all kind of coming together. It's such a great time of year. Yes, I literally synchronicity sitting on this show with you. Barbara Nicklaus just texted me.

It just popped up on my phone here in the Atlanta airport. But yeah, my my boyhood hero, Jack Nicklaus, approached him three years ago to go on a mission that he'd never been on before. And that was to build a course based on supporting a cause. And we opened American Dunes three weeks ago in Grand Haven, Michigan. And that's about 30 miles straight west of Grand Rapids, right on Lake Michigan, two and a half hours from Chicago to get people's geographic minds around where this is. But what makes it truly unique, besides the golf just being epic in the sand dunes along Lake Michigan, is that 100 percent of all profits will go back to support Folds of Honor.

Now, that will equate to thousands of lives being changed for generations. And, you know, this place, I always laugh. It was like me with no guardrails. And obviously, Mr. Nicklaus did a fantastic design up there and on a beautiful site. But the only way in and out of this property is through the Folds of Honor Memorial. And you'll literally walk in the boot prints of soldiers who've been killed in action.

Their family stories were Folds recipients flank the walls as you walk in. And on every hole, we've dedicated it to a soldier who's been killed in action. Jack Nicklaus has placed one of his 18 majors on each hole. And we also have scripture on every hole. So it is just this, I don't know, this culmination of God and country and golf in an unapologetic way. And we just hope and pray people come and visit us and they leave there inspired with this beautiful irony that when you're helping someone, that you're actually the one being helped.

And in this case, it's all about Folds of Honor. Oh, man, it's just spectacular. I have seen the pictures and that American dunes.

It's on my calendar, man. I can't wait to get up there and see it. And the Nicklaus's have just been such shining examples of what, you know, like we said earlier, people pushing in in the same direction can do. And it's just spectacular. It is really, really special.

And, you know, I always say when you meet your boy here, you're probably going to get let down just because people can't live up to those expectations. But Jack and Barbara are two of the greatest humans and patriots I've ever met. And it's just, you know, such an honor to have a legacy project like American Dunes that will live on for generations and honor our soldiers and also the Nicklaus family.

Absolutely. So, Dan, tell our folks again how they can get involved. We're talking about Patriot Day. We're raising money for Folds of Honor for our fallen heroes. We're raising money for scholarships for their children. All sorts of different great initiatives through your charity.

Yeah. So the big call to duty on on our time together is go play your most heroic ground. And that's coming up over Memorial Day weekend.

Go tee it up. Visit Patriot Golf Days on on your iPhone and make a donation. And we'll pay that forward to a spouse or a child who's had somebody killed or disabled defending our freedoms. And it's the one day a year.

The round doesn't really matter what you score. It's going to be a heroic effort because you're playing for somebody else. And then obviously, if people want to come up and visit us in Michigan and American Dunes, we'd love to have you. I'm blown away. We've got, I think, 14000 tee times booked and we've been open for three weeks.

So people are coming from everywhere to to play this place. And so those are two great ways to support Folds of Honor. That's Lieutenant Colonel Dan Rooney. He's a F-16 fighter pilot.

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Thank you, Jimmy. Don here with the tournament leader. And Tiger, we know that you have kind of an intimidating presence out here.

You've got six shots of a lead. Is there anyone in this field that will make you nervous? Probably the guy sitting right next to me. No, I mean like, you know, if we had Siegfried and Roy out there, would that make you nervous?

No, it's just you. David Farity is brought to you by Golden Tee. David, what about the European Ryder Cup team? You played on two of those teams. Take us into those rooms. What was it like and who was the person from the Euro team?

When they spoke, everybody listened. Well, I only played one and that was 91. I just missed in 93 and in 89. He actually made himself smaller the week of the Ryder Cup for the benefit of the rest of the team. He looked physically smaller almost. He put his arm around you and said, are you nervous? I said, well, yeah. He said, no, no, me too. I treat myself. No, don't worry.

No problem. I mean, he really was one of the boys that week and we all, you know, kind of, you know, ganged up behind him and all the fable who were unbeatable, absolutely unbeatable. And to give you an indication of the sort of guy he was, he, you know, he made himself accessible that one week.

He was human for the rest of us that one week. I got drawn with him the week after Kewa Island in 91. And the German masters and he called me Doug. He didn't even know who you were. No, the week after the Ryder Cup, he had the clue who I was. Yeah. I was his teammate that week, you know, and the, you know, I felt like one of the most important players in the world. He made me feel that way for a short space of time. Yeah.

And then the very next week, he just wanted to kick the hell out of you like you did all the other times. That's right. Yeah.

Yeah. It was amazing. So, David, what made he and all the fables so unbeatable? They had some sort of intangible man. They didn't give up on anything. And their short games were ridiculous.

Yeah. That was key. Well, anytime they were in, they were incredible in an alternate shot, virtually unbeatable in foursomes.

And in the better ball, you know, you're playing the best that they can do, you know, between the two of them is good luck to you. They were absolutely amazing. Sebi, you know, from Northern Spain, they're fiercely independent. And all the fable is a bask from the Pyrenees in between Spain and France. And they are still, they still believe they have their own country.

They're so independent, incredible fighters in every way. And, you know, Sebi always had that chip in his shoulder against the Americans. And he kind of gave it to Jose Maria for a little while.

Jose Maria didn't hold onto it, you know, after the Ryder Cup was over or anything like that. You know, for the rest of the year, he was, you know, he was pretty cool with Americans. But Sebi was, you know, he was always, there was great animosity there. He felt hard done by because of a decision, I think, that Dean Beeman, who was a commissioner at the time, you know, there was a specific amount of tournaments that you had to play in order to be a member. And, you know, Sebi couldn't play that many in the United States, you know, to be a member. And he always sort of held that grudge. Yeah, you know, David, at the time, they were paying big money to those guys to show up to try to get the European tour substantiated and give it more credibility, weren't they?

Oh, yeah, yeah. The appearance money at the time was huge for a small handful of players. Yeah, definitely, you know, to give the field more of an international flavor.

Of course, it has that now, without all of that, and then they play for God knows how much money now it's amazing. But they can look back at Sebi and thank him for that, because, you know, he had the kind of impact on the European game that the Tiger Woods had on the American game when they initially came on over here, the interest in him was just huge. And you know what's interesting, I only got to play with Sebi two or three times, but but and I got to play with him when he was really good. And then I got to play when when he wasn't quite as good and something happened to him, David, because when he was a young man, he didn't give a damn where he hit his tee shot. But somehow, it either changed inside of his head or someone told him something changed because he suddenly got very self conscious about not being able to hit the ball very well.

Yeah, yeah, he did. And, you know, the brain cancer that got him in the end, nobody really knows when that started, and could easily have, you know, been a factor in, you know, how he felt about himself, you know, how he felt about his game, we just we just don't know. You know, because but I remember playing with him when he was the magician that he was, and he would literally hit a couple of drives 40 or 50 yards left of his target, you know, he had that big smashing hook, and he didn't even think twice about it. He went over there fished it out of the trees hit some sort of beautiful creative high low hook fade thing that he used to do and make pars out of his butt. Yeah, yeah, well he was so committed. That's why he hit it so far offline you know there was there was no holding back he was wasn't trying to steer it down a fairway here there you know I mean he just got to the top of his backswing and on the leash. And, you know, if it was wrong, it was wrong. But when it was right, man. It was, it was really special to watch him play, I can remember one of the he was one of the first players I'd ever seen it at Augusta hook it so far that he had it over somewhere in the ninth and had to hit it kind of a couple of spectator all sorts of stuff. Yeah.

Remember, been over there. So, David let's switch a little the tiger I know that all the years with CBS and all the great work you did on the ground for them, getting to watch this guy play the game changed me. It just changed me, it was the first time I ever felt completely inadequate about my game and I probably should have way before tiger but because he was the first guy that did things I knew that I couldn't do. Yeah, yeah I remember walking past his first tee shot as a professional was on the first team Milwaukee and I was just walking by and I thought oh there's that kid that people are talking about, you know, take a look at this and I watched him hit one shot and my very first thought was, oh, Christ, I have to think of something else to do not.

Yeah, I mean that's, I don't know what that is but it's not what I've been doing. And it went from there it was like watching a different species play the game of golf. And, you know, for 20 years the best part of 20 years I was right down on the fairway at the ground level with with him, and Steve Williams or with, you know, I mean, whoever was carrying his bag and what a privilege, you know, to be in television in that particular era, it was just incredible. There's something that happened at the World Series of golf and Akron that Ernie Els just about fell out of his chair if that's possible while you're playing. Yeah, yeah, well they were tied and playing the last and Tiger popped up a three wood and was hacking lumps out of Ohio losing his temper, you know, walking down the fairway and Ernie had hit it at milestone in the middle. You know, he had 184 yards to the hole I'll never forget this 184 yards from a lie that looked like it was just, you know, it looked like a button mushroom and a bird's nest grass, you know, 10 or 11 inches long and line sideways and across and back and into the grain it was just horrible. And I'm standing with Ernie with the microphone and I've already told Lenny Watkins time you know he's got no shot here he's gonna have to hack this out you're going to see his right leg come free and you know you wander after it but he's going to try and bludgeon this out somewhere down the right half there to get a look at the flag in the back left. And then he pulls wedge.

I just don't want to play off I'm in television. I've got two wins just please don't be a playoff I'm sweating I've got catty ass. I've got, you know, just, I just want this to be over. And he had a shot that it looked like the first, I thought he tore in the sack on the downswing. It just looks like his shoes wanted to fly off and just tore a lump of Ohio out about a cubic meter and the two dead snails in there, you know, just as in time to follow his eyelid with a big red oak at the front of the green and it lands like a sack of wet grass in the hole and backs up about a foot. And I was dumbfounded I didn't really know what to do. So I flipped, switch on my mic to, you know, Mayor Culpa to, you know, own up to make a mistake, just as Ernie turned to me and said, look at me. And I thought, and I thought, well, if you wanted an opinion from, from, you know, a relevant, you know, expert, here's the next best player in the world, right here. You know, that's his reaction to the shot, this is the tiger smiling like a basket of french fries, you know, it was. It was just it was just one of many moments that he proved me wrong. You know, the only time that I've ever made mistakes about Tiger Woods, when I say that he can't do so that he couldn't do something. You know, people are asking me now you will you think you can come back?

Yes, yes, I do. You know, he could have broken both legs, he could have lost one. And I still would believe that he could come back. David, it's so true. This guy, I have had to eat crow on him so many times, you know, from the glutes not firing. I'm like, I've never heard of anything so stupid in my life.

I mean, I don't even have glutes and I don't need to have them chip better than that. I mean, you know, and then all of a sudden, he gets his back fused, and he's swinging like he did when he was 20. Yeah, yeah. He's astonishing. Yeah, he is.

He's a creature from another planet. There's no question. You know something when he won the masters, the world changed a little bit, didn't it? In 1997.

The golf world did that's for sure. Yeah. All right, john, we're gonna we're gonna hit this thing on the 19th hole but man oh man, his storytelling ability is it's pretty special. I just I just like everything about the guy and you've talked about the sincerity of the numbers he he's done. And every time I hear these guys that you talk to say I've been doing this for 10 years I've been doing this for 15 years. I don't know, I never get bored of them.

So it's hard for me to believe that they've been really at that many years. Yeah, that's great stuff. Well, that'll wrap up the back nine but come back to the Michelob Ultra 19th hole. We'll break down the rest of that interview. This is golf with Jay Delsing. This is Bill with the third president of the St. Louis Cardinals and you're talking to Jay Delsing.

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Welcome back. We are entering the Michelob Ultra 19th hole. Pearly's with me. Brad Barnes has taken great care of us here at the ESPN Studios and the 19th hole.

The 19th hole, Pearl Pop one. Let's go. Hey, I got to ask you a question on this interview. We've had David on the show before, which is spectacular.

I know you're buddies with him. Well, what prompted this? Because we've got two shows made up. It was an hour worth of interview that you had with him. Where did this even come from?

Very good question. He calls me last week. And I look at my phone.

I'm like, you got to be kidding me. Typically, he just will text me something. And I said, Hey, man, what's up? You doing all right? And he said he was doing all right.

He's got some some personal challenges with some the meds and stuff. And we talked a little bit and he said, Hey, I hear that your show is just doing great. And I said, What? I said, Who would you have possibly heard that from? And he goes, Oh, I don't know. And I didn't believe him anyway. I said, I don't blame you.

But he said, No, but I hear it's doing great. What are you guys talking about? I go talking about a lot of golf and a lot of nothing.

But really, and I are just, you know, trying to have some fun, grow the game, tell a couple stories here. And he goes, You should have me on. And I said, And why would I do that? He said, You're right.

I have no idea. And I said, No, the reason I will have you on is because who can talk about nothing better than you. And he said, That's exactly right.

So we agreed to that. But oh, my gosh, john. And that first, the first part of this, we have actually got to have four parts of the interview, but we only did two for the show. When he started talking about the Ryder Cup, I asked him about being on that, that European Ryder Cup team, and playing with Seve and ole Fable and all those guys. And, and, and he said, Seve puts his arm around me and looks me in the eye and says, Are you nervous? And he goes, Yeah, I just my pants, you know, and he said, he just made me feel so special. And then he goes, I get drawn with him the next week on Thursday, Friday.

And he said he called him Doug, for the first part, the first two days. Just, oh, my gosh, it just thought that was just hysterical. And so typical of likes back then, where I just felt like whenever I played with the biggest names in golf, they were just in a different stratosphere somewhere, you know, not really plugged into what was going on.

And, you know, just just pretty interesting. Well, you know, I worked NBC for NBC for the Ryder Cups, Jay. So I was actually able to be in the ropes close in these situations.

So when I hear these different stories through the years, fortunately, I was actually around a fair amount of them in close. And I can tell you one thing, those matches with Seve Ballesteros, there was a palatable pressure tension. I don't even know quite what word to use, but everybody was on edge.

And I firmly believe Seve wanted everybody to be on edge because they're just waiting for him to cough while they're putting, they're waiting for him to scuff his feet while they're hitting the shot, waiting for him to drop a club. And then he would absolutely do some of those things. And then just say, Oh, sorry, excuse me. And you don't mean you're not sorry. And you don't need to be excused.

And you're probably going to do it again. And I remember the one you'll remember this, who's the one guy that stood up the most? I think that Aizinger would have thrown down at any given time and just said, that's fine with me.

If we need to wrestle through this whole thing, we'll wrestle through this. He didn't give Seve and in. Don't you remember when they hit their tee shots over the hill and there was one ball that was close to the sprinkler head and Aizinger got up there before Seve and was acting like, Oh my gosh, can I take this stance without and you know, how can I hit this ball? I'm standing on the sprinkler and he goes, Hey, Seve, my ball is near the sprinkler. Can I get a drop?

And he says, no, no, no. You have to play the ball as it lies and Aizinger goes, good. That's your ball. It wasn't even Aizinger's ball. Oh yeah, it was on.

It was, it was definitely on. And yeah, it, it, it was pretty special. The other thing we could talk about Seve forever. We'll have to go back and tell you some of the stories. When I played with him, I got to play with him when he was great and the best player in the world.

And I got to play when he wasn't so good. And it was just a gigantic difference, but I want to go back to the other story that did that. Faridee tells about the 18th hole in the world series of golf in Akron, Ohio, with Ernie Els and tiger, you know, flailing away at that shot. And unfortunately for the story, we have to bleep out a lot of what was said, but man, that is one funny story.

Well, it's funny, but it's also where the Laura tiger came from. I mean, Jay, when you're playing and you're coming down the stretch with this guy, and even if you think you got him, whatever the case might be, and you don't, you don't have them, you know, the six iron up. It was at Canadian open. Yeah. Yeah.

Nobody was like, what that's, that's not even in the realm of, was he trying to do that? Here you, here you have David Faraday who knows the game inside. Now tell him the tower. Yeah. He's going to pitch it out and find an angle in the stairway to go into the next hole.

And then he flies it past the pin. It's just, it's just so interesting. And I think those guys are intimidating. There's some fun, funny stories about tiger saying things that people do like Sevi and you know, tiger and Sevi, I think had to travel four miles, if you will, in their personality to be like a team, a team player. You know, that was not their thing. They're like, okay, these guys are my team. So I guess I shouldn't want to beat the daylights out of them this week, but that's hard for those guys.

That's just not who they are. John, the lure of tiger. I don't know if you remember, but Greg Norman was the number one player in the world forever and tiger unseated him. And when they played, they played a heads up a match in the president's cup and tiger took him down. And it was tiger was a pup and he was all about taking him down. And, uh, it was, it spread through the tour. Like you can, like you can't believe Pearl, another show in the books, man. I mean, thanks so much for taking care of us. Pearly. Don't go anywhere. We got to have another show. Eventually. This is golf with Jay delsing.

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