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Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing.

On The Range is brought to you by the Gateway section of the PGA. Hey, good morning. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host Jay Perley. What's happening this morning? How are you doing? I'm doing just fine. Waiting on the weather front here to wet the line a little bit and ready to go with the show though. Alright, well fantastic. Get ready because I'm going to ask you about our social media here in a minute but I wanted to give you a little heads up because you can give us an in-depth report today.

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Me, can you believe he brought up IG? What? That's the first time. I know. It's a record here on the show.

That is a record on the show. I bring it up when it's relevant. Wow. It's always relevant, Perley. Come on.

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Alright, John. We got to sit down with Mike Maddox. I will tell you, this is one really cool dude. He is the current pitching coach of the St. Louis Cardinals. He played in the big leagues, MLB, for 16 years. He's in his 18th year as a pitching coach and I got to play golf with him a couple weeks ago. The guy can really play. You want to talk about a hand-eye guy? He can really play the game. I think it's awesome. I liked your interview very much and I think the way he transcends the game with the sports psychology, the golf, right up your alley with friends that you've had from the past.

I'm thinking Bob Rotella and stuff like that. He just had a wonderful story. Again, another low-key guy.

Man, the guy is just not going to promote himself at all. He was just fun to listen to you and him talking. No, it's just a treat to run into people like this.

Again, we got to go back to the game and how the game provides. I've got a new friend. Anytime he's around and doesn't want to go to the ballpark and calls, we'll go play golf. It's just terrific. He also had John crazy.

I'll look this up. He had a round of golf in 2019 where he made two hole-in-ones in one round. He's made six hole-in-ones and made two in one round. Two hole-in-ones in one round, John, the odds are one in 67 million. You know how many times it's happened in the history of the PGA Tour? Three.

You know what guys did it on the Tour? No, I thought you were going to look that up. Oh, shoot. I thought you were going to look it up. Who cares?

Oh, me was going to look it up. Why is it my responsibility? Because you're part of the show.

We want to pull you in. Yeah, that's true. Let's put it back on pearly. We don't care who it was, who the hell knows who it was. I don't know who it was. That's pretty damn cool. I can tell you that.

Two-in-one round. That's absolutely spectacular. He's proud of it.

All the things he's done in sports. That's way up at the top. That's funny. Yeah, absolutely. Alright, so we got that interview. This week on the PGA Tour is the Travelers Tournament in Hartford, Connecticut. A great event. A community event. Folks come from all over that New England area to attend. I can remember several years ago when Jordan Spieth holed the bunker shot to, I think, get in the playoff and then he won in a playoff or something.

It was just dramatic. It's very cool. And that amphitheater setting on the 18th is pretty special. I remember catting for you there in that 18th hole.

It's deceiving. You'd better hit the right kind of drive. It's one of those holes. Kind of like the 18th at Scottsdale Stadium.

It can play like nothing. You just whip out there and knock down a little birdie or you start getting a little squirrelly and all of a sudden you are just scrambling like a dog trying to make your bogey. How's that right? If you hit your drive a little bit to the right on that Oprah? It's like hitting a little bit left at Riviera.

It's dead man zone. All of a sudden you're in a position that you're like, man, I got to work so hard to get anything to happen here now. Yeah, absolutely.

That's a great analogy. So John, one of the things we've been following, we've been kind of following the Ricky Fowler struggles on the PGA Tour. You know, he's one of the most popular PGA Tour players. We have seen guys like Ian Baker Finches of the world, Chip X of the world go through these kind of lows that they don't ever come out of.

Right. And there's been some good and bad with Ricky that I wanted to kind of report on. The bad is that he missed his second major in a row. He didn't qualify for Augusta in April and he wound up missing the qualifier for the US Open by a shot. But on the bright side, and this is why I even brought it up, he has almost a top five finish at the PGA Championship at Kiawah. I think he wound up finishing like seventh or eighth.

And then a couple weeks back at the Memorial Tournament, he was T 11th. So there's a lot of bright spots in his game. I'm a huge fan. When Ferdy was on the show, we talked a little bit about Ricky and this was the first time both of us noticed that he was kind of getting down on himself. Typically, this kid has got a terrific, terrific attitude.

And so there's a little bit of that going on. But I wanted to just kind of update our listeners just about some of the bright spots that Ricky's been experiencing. You know what, John, the Kip the Kip, the tip of the cap, the tip of the tap, the tip of the cap segment is brought to you by the dean team of Kirkwood 3149660303 Colin and Brandy are good friends over there. The tip of the cap this week goes out to the Matthew Dickey's Boys and Girls Club.

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Hey, welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host Jay. I've got Pearly with me. We're headed to the front nine brought to you by the Ascension Charity Classic this September 6 through 12.

Norwood Hills Country Club. It's going to be the focal point of the golf world, man. It's going to be great.

I get to play in it. Pearly's going to be catty and Meat's going to be doing the one-hand and one-person wave over there in the crowd. And I'm just really excited.

I've been practicing every day and I need to keep practicing because I'm not that good right now. You will be. You'll be ready. You're all pumped up for it. Hey, one thing I was thinking, why don't we try to get the superintendent of the course on the show a little bit just to kind of give us a brief of where things are at and what his excitement level is and what the challenges are and what the expectations are that he's got to meet for the tour.

Yeah, no, it sounds like a good idea. Mike Knoll, he's one of the top five superintendents in the entire country. He is terrific. And our greens are the best in the state every year in Norwood.

It's such a pleasure to play that golf course because those greens are always somewhere between really, really good and fantastic. Yeah. All right. So I had a little sit down with a 15-year MLB player, Mike Maddox, who is also happens to be an 18-year pitching coach veteran of the MLB. So this is a baseball lifer who is a great guy and a great golfer.

Hope you enjoy this interview. Joining us is Mike Maddox, the former pitcher for Rancho High, now, of course, with the San Diego Padres. First of all, Mike, I got to tell you, they thought about wanting me to tell you hi and ask you how your golf game is going. Now, the golf game is going pretty good.

I don't think today for the 77. Mike Maddox is brought to you by Golden Tee. Oh, my gosh. Well, we got to play together a couple of weeks ago, and that was a blast. And I just you know, I'm a nerd freak. I love the game of baseball, love the game of golf.

And you have had spent a life in both. And I just am really excited, Mike, to let the listeners get a little little glimpse. I thought I had a really good gig.

And I love I love what you do. As a player, you got to spend from 1986 to 2015 years in the big leagues. What a thrill that had to be. Oh, man, that was, you know, kind of a dream come true, Jay. You know, it was something as a kid, you played little league and you played it because you loved it and you really enjoyed it. Then you played high school ball and you said, well, this is kind of a cool gig.

You know, you're kind of good at it. But I think that, you know, I was going to, you know, sit there and have a major league career that I had, you know, was kind of it was a pipe dream, you know, is something we always prayed for and that we aspired to do. But go ahead and live it, man. It's just just a blessing. And looking back on it, I probably appreciate it more now than when I was playing. You know, it's a lot of pressures when you're playing and you know, you don't sleep well at night for years and you're trying to cash in on that small window of opportunity and you grind through it, but I'm very appreciative appreciative of it. And once again, I probably enjoy it more now than back when I was playing. Yeah, unfortunately, we don't have any sort of wisdom and we're peddling as hard as we can to kind of get through some of that stuff.

And it's hard to really know what you're going through at the time. Yeah, it was uphill grind the whole way. But, you know, it was just loved every minute of it and, you know, got out of playing and, you know, it's in my blood. It's what I love to do.

And it's what, you know, I segued into coaching extremely quick. And, you know, I've been fortunate to do that for 20 plus years now. So, you know, life in baseball has been a blessing in disguise. And, you know, I like to go home at night and say, you know, I have yet to work a day in my life. So, you know, I feel blessed that way.

Yeah, I feel the same way. It's so interesting, Mike. So when you retired from the game as a player, you joined on with the Brewers quickly. Every place you went from the Brewers in Milwaukee, you went to the Texas Rangers and you've lowered everybody's ERA quite dramatically. Michael, talk a little bit about some of the, just what is it that you try to help the pitchers with? Because we're going to make these connections between golf and pitching and talk a lot about some of your successes in the game of golf as well.

Yeah, well, I think my approach as a coach is more mental. I understand that when you start off playing and as we tell the young players when we sign them, you know, that first thing we're going to do is look at your feet and we're going to make sure that you're on line and you get your lower half working and then we'll move up from the lower half into your core and eventually get up to your arm, you know, see the bottom parts lined up so that your arm can line up. But then when you get to the major leagues, it gets even higher. It's all a mental game then because everybody in the major leagues has talent and everybody's got a great skill set and they're the best players in the world. You know what?

We've gone global. So, you know, to know that you're competing against the best players in the world, that means that you are one of the best players in the world and it just becomes the mental challenge then as well as the physical. So that's kind of what I've always tried to do is tap into the mental side of the game and give guys the utmost confidence so they feel good about themselves. And, you know, a player that feels good about themselves is dangerous, man.

You've got to love it. It's been a successful recipe, but, you know, talent always helps. You know, it's good to have those guys with the good arms and the healthy bodies and the great minds are the ones that succeed a lot and probably succeed more in the game than the talented ones. I was going to say, Mike, the guys with talent that really have the mental side figured out and understand themselves at a deeper level, those are the guys that can really soar, isn't it? You know, those are your all-stars, you know, those guys that were blessed with a good talent and a good mental makeup. And you have a lot of guys that play a long time that maybe, you know, they're talented to major league players, but they don't have that all-star type talent. But these guys are mental bulldogs. And those are the ones that you really root for.

And those are the ones that kind of spook you when it comes down to a crunch time late in the game. And you're saying, man, this guy, he doesn't care. You know, he's mentally tough.

He's going to grind you out. He might not be the best hitter. He might not be the best pitcher, but he's got the most bravado and probably the biggest guts on the field. And those are the guys that help you win ballgames, man. The talent gets you there. I always say that over the course of the season on a team, you know, that the talented teams, that your horses are going to get you there, but the jockeys are going to be the ones to win it for you. And those are the jockeys, those mentally tough guys.

Mike, you know, it's, you can't immediately judge and measure those kind of intangibles, can you? You have to watch the competition because I think we've mentioned this when we were playing together. I'm a competitive guy. I know you're a competitive guy. When I watch Tiger and play with Tiger, I'm like, I'm not even close to being as competitive as he is. He can just take it to different levels. And there's a lot of guys like that in the game of baseball.

There sure is. The guys that are multi-talented or very talented or have more talent, if they have that mental edge about them and that mental capacity to be the best version of themselves more consistently than the other guys. And those are the guys who just run the table. And, you know, like I said, they might be the All-Stars, but then you take the upper echelon of them and those are your Hall of Famers. And you can watch guys play nowadays that have the talent, but they just have that mental determination. And, you know, I think about a Yachty Molina, you know, Adam Wainwright, Max Scherzer. You know, these are guys that just, you know, throw it all on the line every time they go out every pitch and they're just so mentally tough and mentally sound. And that's why they play such a long time and that's why they all have, you know, another team to make and that would be in Cooperstown.

So those are kind of the examples of mentally tough guys that have great talent. You know, Mike, it's interesting. And when Tiger Woods came onto the PGA Tour, he changed everything. The way we play the game today, it's changed completely.

And, you know, I sat about and started thinking about this today. Your game has changed a hell of a lot and almost in the same direction. Now you got, you guys are using Trackman for spin rates for launch angles, not even for only for batting, but for pitching. And there's a lot of similarities, Mike, in the way that our two games have developed. I don't know.

I kind of use that word lightly, but they've kind of changed, hasn't it? There's so much information now. And I guess the biggest challenge is how we apply the information. You know, sure, we can measure spin rates and we can measure launch angles and say, OK, well, how do I get to that position and how do I make it work for me? So some of the data we have to, you know, dumb it down and put it in layman's terms, you know, so it can be applicable because what we want is something simple and actionable.

And what we have to be able to take that information, apply it to to where we can use it to our advantage. But, you know, not everybody has the great data, you know, per se on a player, but yet somehow they prevail. And once again, it comes down to the human element. And, you know, it's just like on the golf course, some guys drive it further and some guys probably, you know, hit it higher. Some guys hit it lower. But, you know, the bottom line is how many shots did it take? And that's kind of how we are in our game. You know, no matter, you know, how hard you throw or how soft you throw, it's about where you're throwing it. And at the end of the at the end of the day, we look up at a scoreboard and that's kind of our our true measure of how we're doing.

So it's a blend. But our game has changed not only with the data, but, you know, our game change. You know, going back, you mentioned Tiger changed the game. Our game was changed with Bob Gibson back in sixty seven when he had the one one two or sixty eight when he had the one one two era. And they said, you know what, the year the pitcher and the pitchers are dominating, we better lower the mound. You know, so, you know, Bob Gibson changed our game just by having the mound, though, because he was so dominant, much like Tiger, you know, changed a lot of things with the tour guys. Oh, Mike, and you want to talk about a mental bulldog.

Bob Gibson's at the top of the list. Unbelievable. You talk about a talented guy.

Unbelievable. And talent, you know, not only is he a Hall of Fame, you know, God rest him, a Hall of Fame player, you know, three thousand pinch outs, a ton of wins and changing the game like nobody's ever changed, like I said, with lowering the mound. But on top of that, in the off season, the guy played for the Globetrotters, you know, so baseball wasn't his only gig, man.

This guy could do a lot of things. And he was very he was a big mentor to the Cardinals and, you know, individually with Jack Flaherty the last couple of years, you know, he really helped Jack, you know, get on track and overcome some of his young growing pains because Bob could relate to Jack quite well. And, you know, his legacy lives on. And Cardinal Nation, what we all miss Bob Gibson, but what a fierce competitor he was.

He wasn't afraid to throw it up at your neck and throw one down in a way and dare you to reach out there and grab it, you know, this wasn't going to happen on his watch. No, and you're continuing that legacy here in St. Louis with the pitchers, you know, Mike, when I grew up, my dad had always told me, son, the hardest thing to do is to hit a baseball round bat round ball. It's really hard. And then he started playing golf. And I looked at him, Mike, and one day he was just having one of those days, you know, he couldn't center the thing up and every putt left out. And I said, Dad, and he goes, Yeah, this game's pretty hard to do.

You enjoy the game a hell of a lot. Tell us how you got started in it. It was just something that my father had a set of clubs in the garage. And, you know, I said, you know, that that'd be kind of fun to go out and see what this thing's about.

Because at that point, had never really played golf at all, you know, and so I went out and we walked around the golf course out at Nellis Air Force Base in Vegas. And I said, this was kind of fun. And we started playing like once a week. And then little brother and I, we started playing a, you know, maybe twice a week. And we're just beating around, you know, we had the traveling Mulligan in our pocket. And, you know, we'd swing by the, the property fences of a couple courses we played where they had the the egg cartons, you know, full of assorted golf balls, and you get a dozen golf balls for five bucks. And we're like, sweet, this is great, man.

I'm seeing off with a Dunlop and putting the pinnacle and see how far that a lot of spalding can go with the big smile in it. And, you know, so we were self taught and self made. And, you know, we just went out athletically I hand coordination just kind of learn to hit it forward. And, you know, by the time we could, you know, we had time in the big leagues where we could, you know, actually afford to go out and join the club.

And that's when we started playing a lot. It's just been a passion. And I love the golf equates to pitching.

I think there's a lot of similarities in the two. And that's why I always enjoyed it because it was a mental break from pitching, but a lot of the principles. I use the same principles golf and pitching, you know, and that your tee shot is like your, your oh pitch, no guy, I want to get strike one will my drive, I want to give myself a second shot, you know, and then once you get strike one, well, you want to get strike two, well, that's like getting the green, give myself a shot at it. And then strike three is like making the birdie putt. So, you know, it's, that's how I like to play, you know, pitching golf at the same time. Oh, my gosh, Mike, it is so interesting, because the mental side of it, you know, you can pitch a fantastic ballgame and be in the, you know, late in the seventh inning or something up by one run, and make one mistake with a, you know, with a guy on and the games, you know, over two to one, and you really pitched a hell of a game and don't have much to show for it. And it's the same way with, you know, one Aaron shot at the wrong time can just ruin your day. I always say in golf and pitching this way and that when things are going well, you have to continue to grind because they're going well for a reason.

The second you get off the gas and you get careless because things are going well. That's when you throw in right down the middle, you know, the guy knocks it out of the park changes the game, or you don't concentrate on your drive and hit it in the woods and you're three off the tee and you go all that hard work for nothing because I took a pitch off or I took a swing off. And that's something we can't do, you know, the game's not over till the last outs made and in golf, the game's not over until you're picking it up out of the 18th hole. So you know, it's a mental grind all the way through. But I love the challenge of the focus you have to have when you get over the ball.

The same way when you're pitching, you know, your moment of focus is when you're looking at the catcher. Okay, now I got, you know, seven seconds, I really got a lock down here, then I take my break and okay, give me the ball back, I walk around, okay, now I got another seven seconds. So it's a, you know, in golf, you have a little more time between shots. But you understand, I'm sure that you know, as soon as you get over and your routine starts, you know, that's your time to grind it in the same way when you're looking down at the catcher getting the sign. Mike, do you guys work on pre shot routines with your pitchers? Because I know every single player on the PGA Tour and I have my own pre shot routine.

I know you have a pre shot routine from playing with you. Do you do that with your pitchers? Yeah, well, we have a I call them swing thoughts. You know, I use a lot of golf terminologies, you know, so tell guys, you know, what's your swing thought on a given pitch? You know, and do you visualize and do you see the pitch before you throw it? And does the pitch have a name, you know, and, you know, is this a pitch you've done to somebody else is going to take that Polaroid of and that's the pitch you're going to throw time and time again. And we've done it with some of our guys that are good that way. And, you know, they say, you know, what are you going to throw him? Well, I'm going to throw him the hundred pence fastball down and then I said, Okay, that's the one we want, you know, and, you know, 100 pence ain't playing, but that's the visualization that we get from it. Guys have their, you know, their reset routines, you know, when we talk about this in a, you know, forum with our open forum with all of our pitchers as we, we get together and we just have guys explain what their routines are, and how they reset their routines.

And it's funny that once they talked about what they do, we see them in the game now. And it's good for us to know because you can see him reset. And if you don't see him reset, that's when you got to make a mountain visit. And just go out there go Alright, buddy. I need to slow things down.

You know, I didn't see you walk back and grab the rosin and throw it down, you know, or clean your spikes or tie your shoes or something. So everybody's got their own little things where they reset and get ready for the next pitch and try to stay in the moment. Man, john, this longevity it just it gets me that's going to wrap up the front nine in the first part of this interview, but don't go anywhere.

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11 strikeouts for Jack and a hug from Yadier Molina goosebumps everywhere. Mike Maddox is brought to you by golden T. Mike one of the things I used to love to do to do that reset was take my glove off because that velcro sound was almost startling to me. You know, it seemed to always get my attention no matter how many people I was playing around.

I could tear that velcro off and I'd be paying attention like come on, man. We got to get your head back into this. Yeah, yeah, let's that's what we do. You know, rub the ball get the rosin and you know, some guys have a particular area that they go to around the mound and which direction they walk up to the hill and address the rubber. So it's a if you know, they're little in you in those you can keep track of them and know if they're a beacon oil if they're in a good spot. So it's interesting but I think you have to have a free shot routines and you know, these sports psychologists have helped all sports and it seems like the more routine we get into the more glued to that routine we become but that's almost like our safe nest, you know that we can go to and we know that if we do that it's going to help us out in that big moment. It'll keep every pitch the same, you know, even though might be the first inning might be the ninth inning, it might be the playoffs, it might be a Wednesday game, who knows, but we treat every pitch the same, we're going to be okay. And that's what we try to do is just model consistency. Mike, it's so interesting, isn't it?

Because when I was good, I'd have the processes in mind. And I didn't care where I hit it nearly as much. I was trying to go here. And if it went over there, you know, no big deal. But one of the things I can tell you, Mike, whenever I wasn't there, and never I took a pitch off swing off, I usually hit it in such a bad spot.

I used to piss me off so much when when and it seems like this is probably a similarity for you guys as well. It seems like if you ever miss a pitch over the plate, these professional hitters don't fall it off, do they? They hit it out of the park. Yeah, you know, what's funny is if you throw a pitch with conviction, you know, you're into it mentally, you're into it physically, you can get away with stuff.

You know, you can get away with those. But if you're not prepared, and you're not convicted in what you're doing, and you're trying to throw darts instead of ripping it through there, yeah, you're very vulnerable, even if you make your pitch, you're vulnerable. And I just always call that the moment of truth. And then that's the release point, you know, we get to the moment of truth.

You know, that's who we are. And that's what we have to deal with, much like when you're, you know, I want to hit this little lob shot, you know, over the bunker, and I'm short sighted. Well, I don't want to hit this thing, then, you know, but gosh, if I chunk it, I'm in the dirt, you know, you really trust yourself.

And you better have those. You better have a strong mind to what you're going to do. And you really got to commit to it.

If you don't commit to it, well, you're going to be nothing good is going to happen. If you take that that shot off for that, that pitch off, nothing's good. I had Bob Golby on the show not long ago, Mike, and he talked about having a big set. You know, he said he really had a man up out there took a lot of courage and, and to hit some of these shots, and it's the same with pitching, I'm sure. Absolutely, absolutely. You know, we had some big moments in our game last night, you know, where Carlos is going on, there's no hitter, and it's like, well, every pitch is big now, geez, man, they're real big. They got the base hit. It's like, okay, well, let's roll to you know, we got a four nothing lead, and all of a sudden, there's a hit, and then there's a double and all of a sudden, we're like, man, you know, forget the no hitter, forget the shutout, we're trying to stay ahead. And, you know, we brought in another reliever tab rarer fantastic work these three guys, they all three got on. Now we got bases loaded a one run lead and Ryan healthy comes into the game. And you're like, well, okay, what do we got here? strikeout strikeout ground ball, we still got the lead man. And you're like, now that's the big moment.

Huge moment. And he talked about it. And he said, you know what, he went in there and he just said he was going to rip one pitch at a time and commit to every pitch that he threw. And he threw 10 pitches.

And those were 10 nut busters. And that's how we won the ballgame right there. And it all flies under the radar. Nobody knows that Jody came up hit a double.

And we win the game. Ponce de Leon just to say but as I tell our guys, man, I said you go out there, you do your job. And you just come in and shake hands, but you do your job. Let's let somebody else be the hero.

And that was case in point last night with Ryan Hensley. He just came in quietly. Kind of James Bond got out of it. When shook hands and everybody else was the hero. So that was fantastic. What he did last night. That was the big moment we're talking about man that he went out there, accepted it and said one pitch at a time.

Same stuff. He did last time out. Well, you know what we were down a runner to same approach, same everything. Man, Mike is a pitching coach. I mean, you're a sports psychologist, you're a psychiatrist, you're a dad, you're a friend. One of the things talk to us a little bit about every time you go out to the mound, you you literally put your hand on on one of your guys on his arm on his shoulder or something.

I've got an idea about that. But tell us why you do that. Well, initially, I never really knew that I was doing it, you know, and then it became people started mocking me. And I had a couple buddies of mine, I'd be at the sports bar, and they would make bets with the next patron when I would go out there, he'd go ahead, but this guy put his hand on his shoulder, and it's even the chest. And he goes, Really? And he goes, Yeah, yeah. And I do it.

And he goes, Hey, man, you know, you won the around the drinks last night. And I'm like, Oh, that's when I started realizing that, hey, okay, I do do it. But why do I do it?

I think it's just try to, you know, get a feel for them, you know, are they loose at a tight heartbeat. But it also is a, you know, the calm the fatherly, the fatherly figure, you know, put your arm around your son, you know, say, Hey, no matter what I love you, you know, I don't care what happens, man, I love you. We're in this thing together.

So it's just really trying to settle them down. And, and, you know, sometimes you're walking guys off the cliff, you know, say, Come on back here, you know, we need you right now. And this is what we're going to do. And you go out there, give a good message. And, you know, I say, let me be the bad guy, you do this, this and this. And if it doesn't work, I'll be the bad guy.

Okay. I just want you to go on there and rip it and loosen up a little bit and let your talent play out because your stuff's pretty good. You know, you just got to give it a chance. And, you know, usually if you make contact with them that they're listening to you, if you don't make contact to them, their minds are wandering.

So I think that's why I started it, it was really as an attention getter. And then they can hear what you say. It's so authentic, Mike, I can tell it's not contrived.

It's because you're into this thing, just like they are. And the other thing that has to be so important, Mike, is you have all the creds, you've been through this before you've been through the battles. Well, I've got skin in the game. That's one thing. And I think that's one of the reasons that we have trust with the players is, you know, we've gone out there and what we know what it's like. And, you know, one thing that we have to remember and, you know, I hope I never forget it, man, playing this game is tough. It's hard to play.

And you hear a lot of old timers say, you know, the older I get, the easier it was to play or the more I forgot how hard it was to play. And that's the one thing we got to keep real that, you know, it's a tough gig, man, there's a lot of stress and a lot of pressures in the game. And we just really try to, you know, loosen them up and came to a point where their talent prevails and put them in spots where they can succeed. And just encouraging coach encourage man and keep letting them know that we love them no matter what, you know, win, lose or draw. You know, you're the guy and you're my guy and I don't care the result. I just want the process man is we have the good process we're going to be okay. Mike, it's so true. I can remember coming up some of my best rounds and highest finishes and tournaments I won I was so amazed at some of the some of the fire I was able to walk through and I was calm and I was confident at the at that time and I get past it.

I'm like, how the hell did I do that? You know, but it really was about the processes. It really was about staying in the present stay in focused and and not worrying about any result. Yeah, yeah, we get caught up in the result because we really can't dictate the result, but we can dictate the process and how we go about it. I tell the guys, you know, I want to throw my fastball right here.

Okay, that's what I want to do. I want to throw it right there. Now, does the umpire call it a strike?

Gosh, I hope so. Does he call it a ball? I don't know. Does he swing at it? I don't know. Does he foul it off? I don't know. Does he square it up?

I don't know. All I do know is I can put my fastball right there with conviction. I got to control what I can control and stay within myself and do what I do best and that's command the baseball. And if I command the baseball and I'm putting it where I want, or at least doing that thing with conviction, then I control what I can control and the results probably come out in my favor. But if I'm trying to I'm trying to control the result. Now I kind of get ahead of myself, you know, then I'm trying to strike a guy out on the first pitch. I can't do that. You know, I got to get ahead. You know, it's like making a hole in one on a par five. Well, you can't do it.

And sometimes guys get guilty of it. You try to get three outs with one pitch and, you know, throw a no hitter in the first inning. You know, I just try to do so much to, you know, just remind them of the process. What it takes is one pitch at a time.

And it's such it's so cliche, but it's so real. That's how we have to approach it, man. We can only do one at a time. So you know, my focus is on this pitch. After I make the pitch, give me the ball back.

I'm going to make this pitch again. And not a bad process seems to work. And those are the guys with the good minds. That's what they do. Absolutely.

So you you just brought up all in one spike. We got to talk about this a little bit. And then I really appreciate this is Mike Maddox. He's a pitching coach of the St. Louis Cardinals, an excellent scratch golfer and a good friend of mine on the golf with Jay delsing show in 2019. The Cardinals are playing the Nationals. And I think it was the NLC s wasn't it? Yes, it was. Yeah, you had a special NLC. Yes. Yeah, you you had a special day in the golf course.

A one in what some like 60 million 65 million chance. Tell us a little bit about your day. Man. Well, I set up our team president, John was a lack to play with two friends of mine, a couple of admirals in the Navy there. And they were going to play at Army Navy Country Club right there next to the Pentagon. And, you know, I was going to set him up, we got a game night, you know, I'm not going to play on game day. Well, I got to get, you know, my boss said, No, come on, let's go. So I said, All right, I'll go. So anyway, we tee off, you know, Amber sky pretty early 730. And we get to the third hole, and we're just looking right into that rising sun.

And it's 188 yards. And, you know, I hit one. And I said, Man, that felt really good. And I could just hear that, you know, that kick at the end of it, and we're all walking off the green, you couldn't see your ball flight, you know, because it was right into the sun. But as we were driving up, I told the admiral I was in the cart with I said, you know, I'm either over the green hole, because there's no balls on the green, you know, and sure enough, he walked across the bridge, and we're looking in the creek for no, he pulls it out of the hole.

We're like, Holy cow, there goes into this room, we couldn't even see it go in. And, you know, so we actually won that hole, which is good, because that evened up the match after three. But then we proceeded to the 14 pole. And that was 135 yarder.

But anyways, yeah, sure enough, I hit it right online. And you can see that one go in. But to sit there and make one ace was pretty cool. But make two of them was all you could do was laugh at it because you know, it was such a long shot. We looked it up and it was what 67 million to one that that would happen. And I'm saying, you know, this, there's no doubt we're gonna we might throw a no hitter tonight when that ballgame is all I could think of it.

Today's my lucky day and we're gonna, we're gonna, you know, put it on the next night. But what a sensational memory of the golf course. And, you know, it's all, you know, it's all downhill from here. I guess, you know, what's next?

You know, making an ace and a double eagle or something? I don't know. But just an incredible day on the golf course. I'll never forget it. All right, Pearl.

We're going to go to a break. And we will tackle that on the Mickelbalter 19th hole. This is golf with Jay Delsing.

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Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I got Pearly with me and we are headed to the 19th hole brought to you by Michelob Ultra. Pearl, crack one open and let's break this Mike Maddox interview down. You asked me a question when we went to the break about the grinding.

And you know what, Pearl? I am, you know how I feel about that word and that idea. Players will talk about that meaning. They hung in there, they stayed tough, but the word grinding to me, it's wrong.

It's, it's, it's not there. It's not the right way to talk about it because when you grind something, you're taking something big and making it smaller. You're beating it up.

You're, you're, you, you're taking something and sticking it on the wheel and all this friction and all this action is making it smaller and it's the wrong way to look at it. I don't agree with that. I don't like that term.

Yeah. I, I don't think that that's the way it was. It was being coached, but he did use the term and it's just something that stuck out. But I love the way he went and the way he talks to these guys when he says he goes to the mound, how he reads them through their, uh, their pre throw routine, which you and I can relate to. So he knows how he puts his hand on their shoulder or on their chest to kind of make that connection. It just was all great. And again, it was just, it's a side thing because of our relationship with, uh, uh, Bob Rotella and kind of his way of talking about the grind versus just letting things flow a little bit.

And I'm sure he would agree. You want things to flow and that kind of stuff. But I think he's talking about the intensity hanging in there.

Uh, I, I love what you guys both talked about. He made the analogy. You can play good golf all day long and hit a foul ball in the 16th hole, literally lose all your confidence. Like how am I going to hit any shots coming in? Same with the ball player. And, and what you guys both said, you go out and play good golf all day long.

And some days that's a 73. It just is. And you go out there and pitch like a, like a madman all game and somehow they're teeing it off on you.

And that's how it is. So I liked the way he talked about to accepting and focusing on what you can control and leave the other to the side. That's, that's a great life lesson. It's a baseball lesson. It's a golf lesson. I love everything the guy talked about.

It all resonated to me with, with what we talked about with Rotella, what we've talked about just in general with where to have your head. I loved when he would, he said he'd go out to the mound and you know, John, he's wearing so many hats. He's, he's the dad. He's a sports psychologist. He's a therapist. He's a pitching coach. He's a ballplayer. He's been through all this before.

He's got all of those hats that he's wearing. And I loved when he said, he said, okay, so here's what we're going to do. We're going to take this fastball and we're going to throw it low and away and I'll take responsibility for what happens from there on. Yeah, right on.

How about that? And just taking all of the pressure, all of the heat, whatever he could do to relieve him, to relieve his pitcher of that extra anxiety, to try to get him to the next level of freeing it up and letting it go. That's a releasing your ego. The first sports psychologist I ever worked with, we did that.

He would, I would play both the golf balls and he would convince me that one of them was his. And he just kind of taught me the difference between my ego, you know, wrapped up into these results and that kind of stuff. So yeah, he is absolutely all those kinds of things. It's just, it's just fun to hear him talk about how you can go out there and keep them calm. It's a little bit, it's far more than caddying, but it's a little bit that way to get that player to kind of get where they need to be, stay on task, stay in the routine, all those kinds of things.

Obviously he has a lot more authority. I would guess I would say than a caddy in that situation relative to golf, but there's a lot of similarities wanting a guy to just get plugged back into his game. Yeah. I mean, John, he's looking for signs and you're great at that when we're together, looking for signs, speeding up, watching the routine speed up, all these things that I look at for my young players that I'm helping now where they'll speed up their walk, all of a sudden their transition and their backswing is totally different. All those things are telltale because they give you that glimpse inside of their soul and their heart and what they're experiencing because otherwise you're guessing. The other piece, if we have a minute to talk about it, when he was describing how they build these players from the feet up, I just absolutely love that. And that's just in the footwork, the foundation, the base type of work, move it all the way through. And then you knew where he was going, where at the end of the day, they've got the mechanics now it's all in their head.

And that's the top of the whole thing. It was just, it was a great analogy and what a great way to be able to talk to a guy coming up through the ranks and say, this is how this is going to go. And then that guy knows exactly what's going on, what he's supposed to be working on, how he can monitor his own progress. I thought that was just brilliant too.

I really liked that part of his explanation on how he coaches and he was, you could hear the confidence in his voice. That's how I do it. It's not like, Oh, sometimes I do it.

It's like, no, no, no, this is a formula. Absolutely. You want your caddy to be confident. You want your coach to be confident. You want your mentor to be confident.

And he seemed to exude a, as so many of the superstars you have exude a, a calm confidence, a inappropriate confidence. No, I agree. Well, Pearl, that's going to wrap up another show, man. We are out of time. Well, let's get, let's shut this puppy down. I got some night crawler hunting to do. All right.

We don't want to get in the way of that, whatever the hell that is. But Pearl, thanks for being with me. We will talk to you next week. And Pearl, I hope you catch something with those big night crawlers. Thanks guys. See you, mate.

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