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Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing.

On The Range is brought to you by the Gateway section of the PGA. Hey, good morning. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. I got Pearly with me and Brad Barnes is here in the ESPN studios pushing and pulling dials and buttons over there. Pearly, good morning.

What's happening? Just ready to go, Jay. Got all kinds of special ideas for this show. All right, fantastic. Well, we format a show like Around the Golf.

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You won't be disappointed. All right, John. We're slipping in a story time with Pearly, we call these shows, when we don't have any interviews. We got no interviews so we get to just kind of wander more than we normally do. We have all kinds of things we can always talk about.

That's the beautiful thing about the world of golf. There's always lots of stuff to talk about. Yep. You didn't say interesting things to talk about. You just said things to talk about.

I don't want to overly commit. Do you think I should start the show with our joke? Yes, I do. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we have a... I'm going to read you a joke that we hope you enjoy. Here it goes like this. Pearly's working on his phone and jacking us up. And I am here...

It goes like this. It starts off, wife's diary. Tonight, I thought my husband was acting weird. We had made plans to meet at a nice restaurant for dinner. I was shopping all day with my friend, so I thought he'd be a little mad at me. And I was a bit late. He made no comment. Our conversation wasn't flowing. Things weren't going great. I said we should go to a different place where we could talk a little bit.

He agreed once we got there. He didn't have much to say. I asked if anything was wrong. He said nothing. Man, the wife continues and says, we got back home.

Things continue to go kind of downhill. He just watched TV. I decided to go to bed. About 15 minutes after she got into bed, I mean, after I got into bed, he fell asleep. I cried. And I don't know what to do, she says.

I'm almost sure that his thoughts are with someone else. My life is a disaster. Now we have the all-important husband diary.

It's very brief. I had a four-putt. Who in the hell four-putts? It's amazing what we can do with our minds, isn't it? Well, we had Rick Ankiel on that one.

We also had Martin Brodeur on a couple of weeks before that. And yeah, it's kind of funny. So, Pearl, when you are, how do I say this, when you're lost with your golf game, what do you do? Well, you know I could get lost in many ways with my golf game. And part of the problem for me is the anxiety. Normally, I know the day before I'm lost. So, there's sleepless nights.

There's just horrific dreams. I've lost my clubs. I can't find my way to the golf course. That's where the biggest problem is.

Once I'm there, I'm normally in pretty good shape. But it's that... Have you ever considered talking to anybody? I've talked to everybody about it. Dude, you're just weird. Doesn't seem to be a solution.

So, what do I do? For me, I mean, seriously, one, I would just really work at slowing everything down. Of course, the way you walk and that kind of stuff. But for me, just the swing. And it's hard because my power outage issues are the things that would get me most riled up about the game. So, now I'm sitting there and I got a power outage. The ball's not going as far as I want it to go. And now I got to tell myself, slow my swing down.

Well, I know that if I do that just even a little bit, I'll start hitting one or two, clicking it, and all of a sudden everything can kind of come back. But I've had a couple of epic times. I don't know if I ever told you this. I'm playing down in Florida in a mini tour event. Sonny Skinner was one of the guys in the room.

Who's still playing out there with the City Boys and that kind of stuff. Really nice guy. You talk about passionate. Jay, I just got to where I was hitting it so bad. It was one of those Florida courses where there are swamps on both sides and gators in between. And literally didn't think I could hardly finish. And I was disrupting these guys because I was so blessed at bat. But I didn't want to, I'm not a quitter. I didn't want to walk off the golf course. But I really didn't want to disrupt them. I really felt bad.

It was one of my first pro tournaments. I just told them, I'm going to caddy. I caddied in. I grabbed my gloves. I didn't hit any more shots. And I literally just held the pin. Kind of walked along side of them.

Talked and that kind of stuff. So I don't know if that was the right thing to do. But it was one of those places where I was completely, completely lost to doing that. And you know, through the years when you have a good coach, somebody you can call or a buddy straighten you out a little bit. Things can help.

But you know, when you lose it, it's a pretty sinking feeling. Yeah. And I want to go.

So I brought that up because it'd be really cool if we could give a couple of basics. And I love it. I love it. I think the biggest thing for me when it's going bad. And Rick Ankill talked about the Yips and I hope the golfer population enjoyed hearing another athlete that deals with the Yips. The anxiety, the anxiety and what it does to you and how it runs.

Right. And it's related to adrenaline and all of that. And so you start anticipating this bad reaction before it happens. And so that this mental that's connected remotely to the physical. But I had a guy tell me one time, I said, you know, I, I, I know I need to relax.

What is something that I can, what physically I want something physically while I'm out playing golf and the PGA tour to help me relax. And there were a couple of things. I started wearing friendship bracelets that my daughters made for me back in. Oh man. I was always wondering why were those things? She's like, really gave me grief about a Curtis strange railed all over me. I'm like, dude, I'll take you out.

You give me any trouble about my daughters anyway. Because every time I looked at them, they were all bright. Remember how brightly colored they were?

Yeah, those are good looking. Um, she had one on right now anyway. Um, anyway, it would, it would make me smile every single time. And I'd be like, it just, and it was, you know, the Pearl, it changed my state of mind.

And so that was something. Um, one other thing though, that I thought was really interesting because what happens to me the most is I start getting tense, right? And it'll start up in my shoulders and my shoulders are kind of ride up a little bit instead of falling and being more relaxed.

My arms don't hang as well. And when you grab the club, just white knuckling the thing. So I read in a book, gosh, years ago, and I still do this, I'll take a golf ball and I'll squeeze it as hard as I can for like three seconds, four seconds, and then let go. And that feeling of letting go, John is like, you're rubber us all of a sudden.

Well, I've heard that and not squeezing the ball per se, but just kind of tensing your whole body for a second or two and then, and then releasing it. I remember the other thing I remember, I think it was Eddie Marans talking about just play catch, toss the ball around a little bit. And it was kind of funny.

I was a week or two ago. It may have been during the U S open, but I think, um, uh, John Rump, this is like talking to my father. I don't remember the name. No, uh, Louie, you're Susan. No, Bryson. Oh, Bryson's play kind of playing toss by himself on the first tee. I think to stay calm. Well, he drops the ball and everybody's giving him a hard time, but I'm thinking, I think I know why he's playing toss just to kind of stay relaxed and try to get him in himself into that position.

So yeah, you want those things. A couple of interviews ago that you had with Martin Brodeur when you said, you know, you go to a driving range and the clubs feel a certain way and then you get out there and they don't feel the same. He kind of chuckled and he's like, absolutely.

It happens to everybody. So I'm sure his, believe it or not, his goalie stick probably sometimes felt like, okay, why do I have a broom in my hand today? And his immediate reaction was though, that's what, that's what fighting through it's all about. So I think part of it is if we anticipate that's going to happen. So don't be surprised by it is another kind of mental trick to say, okay, this is happening.

I know why this is happening. Maybe I'll toss the ball. Maybe I'll tense my body.

Maybe I'll squeeze a golf ball, whatever the case is. But don't be, cause I would find myself with this years ago. I was shocked by it.

Now it's like, I don't like it, but I'm not shocked by it. And I have a little bit of, you know, maybe breathing exercise to do or something like that. Breathing is the last thing because Pearl, you see every athlete taking deep breaths on the free throw line and home plate, the quarterbacks, every for everybody. What was it? What did Phil win? PGA?

Oh yes. And if you watch one thing, if you paid any attention to that tournament, how much time he spent on breathing, his pace walking and that kind of stuff. Cause he knows that's what's got him these days. And it's an absolutely huge part of the game. And I think the other thing is to realize these guys that are great players and successful, they get nervous too. And they're wildly butterflies and shaky hands and everything else, but they've got that attitude of this is part of the game that I got to play through until I can get to my comfort area.

John, our folks won't believe if they can, if they can accept some of this stuff and deal with it mentally, they're not going to believe the quality shots they can hit with those things happening. I can't tell you how many times I've made putts feeling like my hands were shaking on the putter, you know, and it got to a point where I'm like, I almost welcome that feeling because I knew it was significant. Like I can remember the first tournament that I won down in Arkansas. It was like, bring it on. This is going to happen today. I've got a chance. I led that tournament from start to finish and then wound up winning in a playoff.

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And welcome back. This is golf with Jay Delsing. I'm here with Pearly. Brad Barnes is taking care of us and we're headed to the front nine. Brought to you by me and my boys at Ascension, the Ascension Charity Classic, our team over there. Nick Ragon and Steve Spratt have led the charge September 6th through 12th. We're going to have the best field in the Champions Tour all year at Norwood Hills.

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What's happening? We're kind of moving into mid-summer season. I think a couple of them are high school, going to college, playing college, whatever the status. So give us an update on two or three of them and where they're at. Let's banter back and forth about what they need to do next to get to that next level.

Okay, we'll start with, I have two 17 year olds. Jay Schaaf goes to Marquette and Blake Scornia goes to DeSmet. Blake is a little further along in his development than Jay, but both of these guys are first of all, super young guys, right? They love the game of golf.

They're very respectful and they work really, really hard. I think Jay Schaaf is about six foot three and weighs 140 pounds. He is just a really tall, skinny young guy that's working hard on his game all the time, but he's also working hard on getting stronger and he's at the golf course every single day. Blake is probably about, what do you think, bro?

You seem like six foot one, maybe six foot two. I got distracted by him hitting it 80 yards past me, so I can't really give you much description. He's a beast. Oh my gosh.

I got to tell you what. So both of these guys I've described as late bloomers in terms of the college game, right? Jay is a little further behind Blake in this maturation process, but it doesn't matter, right? Like I tell both of them, this is not a sprint.

This is a marathon. So everybody keep going. Blake hits the ball, 340 off every team. It's unbelievable. Pisses me off.

Unbelievable. Blake drops package on me every time he pulls his driver out. When we first started working together, he wasn't very good out of bunkers at all right now. You've brought him, I'm going to say it because you're not going to say it. You've brought him a long way. I know he's worked hard at it. I understand he's a talented guy. I understand he comes from a pretty strong lineage of athletic folks, but you've brought that young man a long way and to his credit, I think he's listened to you and worked at it. Well, he's, you know, he gets all the credit. I've just got a little information. He does have, I love his mom and dad, Andra and Kent, and they're great peeps.

It's the same. And he's put all the work in. Jay Schaff, his dad, Jay, and stepmom. Oh, I'm drawing a blank now. Oh gosh, I'll get back to her. She's a delight.

You can call her after the show. Exactly. Oh my gosh, a senior moment. But anyway, same with him. His dad played tennis for Army, I think.

Yeah, I think he did. And he's just a stud and a great guy. And Jay has lowered strokes off of his. He's lopping strokes off of his golf game and generally shooting in the mid 70s now with some low 70s.

And then every once in a while, popping under par and it's just great. If we go one step higher, Joey Perotti is a senior from down at SLU. He's going to Ole Miss next year. I'm going to try to walk on the golf team. This guy is a hockey player. I like that right off the bat.

And a beautiful swinging golfer that really doesn't know how good he is yet. And we're working on that all the time. I said, Joe, look at what you just did. I mean, just stay right here. Don't take one more step. You just did that.

I didn't do that. And then you're going to go up there and we're going to do it again. And he is, I'm going to say Joe's even kind of newish to the game and to the elite level of the game, Pearl. This is a kid that's made six hole in ones. And he's a senior and he's got a ton of ability. And so we're working through a lot of mental things with him to understand you don't need to be thinking about this, but just trust your eyes and swing and it's pretty good.

And so he's going to try out for the Ole Miss golf team here in August, September. And then the oldest guy, he's a real old guy. He's a 21 year old Crimson Callahan. And this guy, first of all, I love all these guys. Crimson was my first student and he and I just have a great rapport. He is a terrific, terrific guy. He's a gosh, how tall is Crimson? Five eight. Not a big guy, but man, has he got power.

I tell the story all the time. We're on the 18th tee on the east course at Norwood and I tell him to aim at the clubhouse and hit a little draw. He's the left-handed. He hit the clubhouse. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.

That's 340 yards away. And I go, did that ball just hit the chimney I told you to aim at? He goes, I think it did. And I'm like, what?

Anyway, so I go, don't aim the next one there. He has got a summer schedule. He had a really weird freakish thing happened to him his sophomore year in college where his golf coach was riding a bicycle and was hit and killed. And things just complete down at Western Kentucky just got completely jacked up with the team and really upset him because he was really close with this coach.

But he is, he is a hard worker. Crimson twitches faster, turns faster, spins harder than anyone I've ever seen. And you know that I've had to play.

Pearl, I'll tell you this. I caddied for him in a US Open qualifying at Fox Run. So it took me 15 minutes from my eyes to catch up to the ball on the practice tee.

I couldn't follow him. When he got to the driver of the ball, because you know what it's like, it's like an explosion. So but you know what, Pearl, all of my guys are focused on real, real set of fundamental things. And it's the short game. And it's there, we start from the green and go backwards. And it's not fancy. And it's not sexy.

But it works. And I'm trying to teach all these guys, don't worry about hitting that really high cutting three wood over the water onto that par five. Let's onto that par five and two.

Let's just do the basic stuff. Get your ball out there and play. I know fairways aren't nearly as important as they used to be. But you can't be behind trees every hole. Get the ball in the fairway, get it someplace where you have a shot, get the ball on the green and get 18 putts at it.

And let's see you go low. And they're there with these guys. I have this feeling that all these guys are getting ready to just break through some barriers. So what do you notice in common between them?

I know they're a little bit different age, a little bit different spaces. But do you see one thing that's kind of common other than getting them at that age to just accept that we need to get great at the basics? Is there another piece or is it just that patience piece to be able to get great at the basics? Because the bottom line is we can talk about Tiger, we can talk about in basketball Larry Bird, Magician. The best players have the best basics.

They just do. All this stuff about Tiger and how far he hits it. The fact is Tiger putted and chipped better than anybody maybe ever. And so had he not putted and chipped better than anybody ever, we would have heard of Tiger, but he wouldn't be Tiger.

He would be Eldred. Right. I would say that all four of these guys work really hard. And that's a huge deal for me. I think what they're doing, what I'm seeing now, they're all trying to balance life and golf.

There's a lot on their plates, way more. I don't know how you grew up in high school, but I was a nerd and all I'd like to do is sports and get good grades. I didn't date. I would go out with some friends every once in a while.

But I just went to bed each night wanting to get up and head to the golf course again. And when you say these guys are respectful, what are you talking about? Respectful to the game? Because I'm plugging into that. I think that's a big piece of this. They're not as respectful to the game as they want will be.

But for their age and for the amount of time they've spent on this journey, Pearl, and that's an acquired taste. Right, John? You remember how we were at UCLA and some of the... I did a lot of... I'll just say right now, I did a lot of things that were not respectful to the game that I look back at now and go, let's not bring those up.

But I did all that. And I see them do some of the things like that. And it's just out of immaturity. It's just out of frustration. And they don't understand where to look. First of all, it's internal.

It's right in the mirror and it's the easiest stuff you can control. They want to go to the harder. I need to change my swing.

Nope. We don't need to change your swing. That's not what we need to do. Here's what we need to do. We need to make most of your putts inside of five feet. That's where we need to start with.

And then we need to figure out how we're going to chip and pitch the ball inside of that five foot circle. It's a business plan, Pearl. It's a business plan. You know it. We put it together for me.

It's a business plan. We know that if you make 90% of your putts inside of four feet, we got to get inside there as fast as we can. It's that simple.

And they still take unnecessary risks. But they're so powerful, Jon. I do this. Well, I did the same thing. I did the same thing.

Well, you had a lot of power too. And these guys certainly are. How is it, them accepting the mental side from you? It's up and down. It's up and down. They can't see that.

They can't. It's tough to get your arms around that more so. But I know I got to play with Crimson a little bit.

Blake a little bit. And both just, again, like you said, wonderful guys. But having that sense of what are we after here? And then, so Jon, what we do is we play holes out loud. I want you to talk to me. They're like, I want audio coming out of your mouth about what is going on in your head and everything.

And it's because you got to be real. And we talk about self-talk. And I gave Blake the other day my Rotella PGA Tour player handbook. It's really cool. Yeah.

And Crimson has gone and seen Rotella. And it's really helped. But getting back on track, I mean, that's one of the things that we've refreshed. This is not anything we got to recreate. We got to get back on that simple track.

Keeping it simple. Pearl, that's going to wrap up the front nine. We'll be right back. This is Golf with Jay Delson.

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It's my pleasure. You know, you're a long time pro at Cocopelli, but you have a long lineage of officiating at some really high end events. Tell the folks about that, please. Well, I was at Jackson Country Club before I went to Cocopelli, which is in Murfreesboro, Illinois. And I was asked to be on the National PGA of America Rules of Golf Committee. And that was actually a result of having done a lot of volunteer stuff with Metropolitan Amateur.

Tom O'Toole and Stan Grossman were kind of mentors. And it all came about because of the 92 PGA championship. I was an observer for the rules official and got very interested. So that culminated in me being on our national rules committee in 97. And it's just been amazing that a young boy, the candidate at the Old Creek golf course when I was 18, ended up getting to officiate at 20 PGA championships and a couple masters and two PGA senior championships, two PGA KPMG women's championships and two Ryder Cups.

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And then to know the rules, which are really, really hard to know, is really impressive. Well, thank you. And it's like I said, it's just, it's been fun. It's been incredible what places that I've got to, got to be. Well folks, that's Jesse Barge.

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If you have any sort of insurance needs, anything, call Ed Fogelbach at 314-398-0101 and he will help you out. All right, Pearl, we kind of got a free-for-all show today. I think I have an important question for you, especially this time of year. And you and I can both relate to this, people we've run into through the years, member guests, pro amps, that kind of stuff. What can we talk about, Jay, to help folks out there that just want to get better at getting the ball around the golf course? They want to be out there. They like the game generally, but it's hard. They can't keep it in play. They feel a little bit embarrassed.

They're kind of out of sorts that way. I've got a guy right now that I'm working with and he's just kind of starting to retire. And he wants it so bad to play the game, but he's terrible. He's just absolutely shooting a million. Like a million. A hundred something.

And his buddies are all shooting eighties, mid-eighties, maybe nineties, something like that. And he just can't keep it in play. So it's tough. So I stepped in a little bit and we just talked about what you're talking about with the young guns you're working with. Let's get to some basics. Let's find a way that from 50 yards and in, you can pop that thing somewhere on the green pretty much each time. Let's find something off the tee that we can keep it in place.

Where after we swing, we can find the dang thing and swing again. He's been doing this and to his credit, he's worked at a couple of things that we've talked about. It's completely changing his demeanor. Now he'll still have some horrific holes. I played nine holes with him last night. He pars three of the first four holes, makes two 15 footers or something.

He's elated. Then he goes into two holes where can't find the golf ball Harley again. But that used to be the rest of the round. Next hole he pars, next hole he pars, and then he makes a bogey or something coming in. So, so how do we help folks kind of get to that point where they can play with the same golf ball more or less and when they lose it on the course, get back instead of going, oh my gosh, I got three more hours of this.

This is embarrassing. So what would you say to somebody like that? I see two sorts of players like the guy that they can't hit it off the tee is really tough because they can't, he can't keep it somewhere in between the bumpers. Right, right. Somewhere in play, not talking fairway, just you're losing a ball every hole. That is really tough. That's where, to me, you've got to go with serious, fundamental, simple, sound techniques. So what are those? We're talking about one or two things that that would be.

Real simple. We get on the driving range, we talk, this will sound odd, you talk about how high you're teeing the ball up. Let's just say we're going to stick with the driver. We want more loft on the driver. Just trust me on that. You want, you want more than 10 degrees loft on that driver.

It will not cost you distance and we need to work on a couple of things. Ball position in your balance and a little bit in your setup because those are the reasons why this thing is going haywire. So I want to just point something out. It might be obvious to everybody. You didn't say anything about the swing. No, no, no, no, no. I'm glad you didn't say anything about the swing because I don't think that's where we want to go.

Nope, it is not. John, there's too many individual components to this thing, right? It's too much like a fingerprint. Everybody's got their own expression there and that's what I kind of think is cool. Yeah, absolutely. But, but John, if you, if you get most men to keep their balance and get their ball position in the right place, you've got 60% of that swing flipped. It'll flip for them. It'll turn, it'll, but, but Pearl, that, you know how they, they are, that we are, we want to swing 30% harder.

That's why you said men because of that, right? We're going to try to do something. Okay, so let's talk around the green. So one thing you and I talk about, we even talked about this when you were struggling with pitching and stuff out on tour, is let's get that setup going right. Let's get that kind of that proverbial triangle with the shaft in the right place and just rock the little triangle being hands to shoulder to shoulder, creating that triangle and just learn to have the proper attack at the golf ball. So some kind of an angle where you hit the ball, then the ground. By the way, a lot of people don't know that.

Right. I hear people, I want to get under the ball. No, you don't really want to get under the ball. I mean, there's certain shots, but not, but we're not going to get that proverbial triangle. We just want to rock that triangle back to the right, get to the left, get to the left side a little bit and finish it. Guys, you start popping that ball up every single time to where it can pop up and go onto the green.

It's a game changer. So Jay just talked to you a little bit about how to get it off the tee, where he can find it. Now we get somewhere around the green where we can pop it on the green. Cause you see the same thing I do Jay. It's a skull, then it's a chunk, then it's a skull, then it's a chunk. Well you just took four shots and you're not on the green yet.

This is getting to be a tragedy. Then by what happens? Then you get to the next tee. You're so wound up and frustrated.

You're not going to hit that worth a damn either. And there's the anxiety that we talked about. It all feeds on itself. Wait a second. Big Sizzle's getting nervous over there. We're talking about his game over there. He's pretty calm, but all of a sudden he's going to say I'm in, I'm in.

I've never seen you sweat in the studio before, bro. No, you know, John, that's where the other side of the coin is for me. You get the guy that struggles off the tee, then you get the guy that struggles around the green. So the short game, I tell everybody, you're doing too much. You're trying to do too much. You're not letting the club do anything.

You're killing, you're taking away all of your resources. I mean, you need to get the club head swung out of there and then you need to get the club head returned down there and move your body a tiny bit. And that's what a pitching motion looks like. I like what you said earlier, even when you're working with your young guns, these guys are playing college golf or aspire to play college golf. You said you work from basically the whole back.

So I'm going to throw something at you, at least that I've seen you tell me if you agree or not. I'm going to work with that guy that can't get it off the tee, can't get it around the course. I'm going to work with him the same way from the whole back because once he can get that 50 yarder popped up in the air to go on the green, there's a sense for some reason, either one, maybe I can trust this guy that's helping me a little bit. So I'll listen to him off the tee and drop my ego in my pocket for a couple shots. But that gives them a sense of I've accomplished something. Now I'll do whatever I need to do to find it after I swing it from the tee. 100% John, first of all, regardless of what your skill set is, regardless of what you're shooting, if your goal is to play better golf, this is the way to do it.

There's no doubt about it. I've tried everything. I can tell you what works and what doesn't work. And I'm not saying I was created all these components, but I can tell you, I ran my head under the wall enough to know that the only way down or through this thing was this way. And we go back to, again, what are the best players in the world doing? I'll tell you something. I may have said it on the show before, one of my favorite Ernie Els quotes. And when he was like one of the top players, if not the top player in the world, somebody asked him, well, you know, what do you need to work and win your game? Alignment.

Now, here's the best player at the time in the world. And he said, if my alignment is on, I'm comfortable with my alignment, I know I will compete that week. I can't guarantee I'm going to win, but I'll be competitive. If my alignment is feeling askew, I'm lost with my alignment, I might as well pack it up.

Now, I might fight something through, but I'm going to finish back in the day, you know, 20th, 30th was bad for him. Right. So it's that kind of stuff. So we're saying to you, like Jay did on the ball position, alignment basics, the best players in the world struggle with the exact same thing. And when they're on the range and they've got the stick and they've got the video out and everything else, that's what they're working on. Very seldom are they working on, did they come back to parallel?

Did I rotate my forearm? They're not thinking about that because if our alignment is correct, our setup is correct, the bases are correct, most of that other stuff is going to be good enough. No question about that. I'm telling you that the answer is in simplicity.

The answer is in simplicity and the answer will lie in your ability to get around the hole and start making three-footers regularly, and then move out to four-footers, and then start hitting a couple of chips here and there, and then start working on a bunker game here and there. And you're playing the game, so you obviously enjoy being outside, you enjoy some components of it, the camaraderie, playing with your wife, your girlfriend, whatever, but that's absolutely where it's at. And then the more you can relax, the more you can relax, take deep breaths, use any of those components that we offered as suggestions to try to help you feel better, it's just going to make the process go by even quicker. And so good stuff there. And where are we, Big Sizzle? We got more time here. We got to move on to the next quarter. I think we got to wrap this up, Pearl.

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Alright, so we got to spend this last 19th hole segment about the British Open. So, why do we like it so much? What enamors us? You know, we turn it on a lot and it's brown and it's windy and there's no trees and it's raining and it's cloudy and we've got a bunch of accents we barely can understand. What is it that we like so much about it?

Well, first of all, I know why I like it but I got to tell you a story. So, the first time I went over there, I met David Farity, hooked me up with Mike Caddy, Irish John. You know, and I told you, I said, how am I going to find him?

He goes, he'll find you. But he has summer teeth. And I said, Farity, I've never been over there before.

I don't know who he is. We didn't have cell phones, you know. And I said, summer teeth? He goes, yeah, some are over here and some are over there.

But none of them are in a row. And I was like, oh dear God, I need somebody else to help me find a caddy. But what he said was, he told me this funny story that the Americans come over to all these British courses and they, you know, it's wind is pushing the flagstick on its side and it's raining like hell. And the Americans go up and drop their 400 bucks down and off they go. And the question is, is the course full?

Nope, nothing but Americans out here today. And they're like, why not? Because we're all in the pub. Nobody over here plays golf when the weather's this bad.

So we've embraced this idea that it's got to be a torture. But the golf courses, John, allow you to play in those conditions. And I'll explain that because the ground, the ball rolls.

It is firm, it is crooked, but it rolls. You can't, that's not the American game. You can't take that and play anywhere over here. But when you say, you know, the weather and stuff like that, we've also heard the famous stories of Bobby Jones going over there and not accepting the conditions early on and his game. So we've kind of gone through that too. So I could just say individually, I'm not going to go and not accept it because I've already heard the big boys kind of went through that and got their, their butts kicked a little bit and then learn to accept it and say, Hey, this is actually kind of good stuff.

The King is the one I think that was one of the first ones over there to just say, Hey, it's cool. Have fun and make it happen. Don't worry about it. Yeah. You know, John, it's interesting because those trailblazers set it all up. Exactly. I mean, they've gone over and said, go track it. It'd be over.

If AP says, I don't ever want to go over there, you know, even though this is the home of golf, you know, we might have the player's championship might be the fourth major. Either that or they would have put sprinkler systems in one of the two things. Right. Everything would have been green. But what I loved about it was the variety.

There were so many operators. You could play so many different types of shots, but you're a creative guy and I think you're kind of accepting of that. It's hard when you sit there and say, okay, I know we got to land this 30 yards in front of the green and let it bounce up. Well, sometimes, well, if I landed just on the right edge with that hump over there, it's going to kick it left to the middle of the green. Well, sometimes it doesn't kick it left to the middle of green. It kicks it left of the left green or kicks it.

Somehow it goes straight on the bush. Wait a second. Yeah, well that's, that doesn't seem fair. So part of it is it's, it's a very different mindset, isn't it, to go play over that? It is. But John, generally speaking, you know, golf, this is a stupid statement, but I'm going to make it anyway because it's your show.

It's my show and you're used to hearing me. Generally speaking, the way that they've got it set up, the ball will work the way you want it to. Now, it'll take 17 bounces, you know, and 13 left and four to the right.

And it just depends on, you know, the speed and things like that. Well, you're not used to playing all year long. You don't play virtually anything 30 yards in front of the green and expected to bounce up there. You never hit that shot. Now you're in the British open and you go like, well, it's really the only the shot that you can hit here because, well, let's talk about it for a second. For those who haven't played over there, if you don't play that shot and you say, I'm going to fly it more to the pin and the greens could be semi receptive, but if you miss the green, it's not receptive.

It's a concrete. No, no, no. You're absolutely right. So I went over 40 yards over them or in a in a bunker that you cannot play at the hole to the bunkers in the hazards over there are just they can absolutely destroy you.

So this is this is a perfect example. I fairly gets me an exemption into the Scottish open, which is just fantastic. So when we're playing at Carnoustie, which is the hardest ever just awesome. And I'm playing the practice around in Pearl.

It stays light till three thirty in the morning over there in the summer. And it's just great. So I've I've played thirty six holes, I think almost every day just to try to get as many reps because I wound up qualifying. Well, I did. And I wound up qualifying. I had to qualify for the British and I qualified to play St. Andrews. So it was a cool trip. You know, not to mention that I spent, you know, probably this is this was the economics of the Jay Delsing golf career. I went over there and probably made both cuts and probably made about, oh, fourteen thousand and spent about eighteen.

Let's go to the next subject anyway. So I'm playing out. I think it was number four at Carnoustie. And I'm like, this is so cool. I'm out 80 yards from the green and the flagstick is right in the front portion of the green. And I took out my sixty degree wedge and eight iron, a four iron and a putter to see which would be better from that spot. And I had four balls with each.

And I would four balls with each. It was in a practice prompt. I'm playing that rails. Yeah. Got it. And so this my and Irish John was firing balls back.

I didn't have some of his teeth were left anyway. Pearl, I'd say of those eighteen or sixteen balls, I would say twelve or thirteen of them all in the same area. They just kind of funnel. Yeah, they just funnel in.

So I lobbed the sixty up. It lands a little softer, but it still rolls to where the water collects. You know, in the way that I the way that I, you know, very simplified version of everything in life, for the most part that I do. But it's like where the water collects is where the ball is going to go. You know what I mean?

And so you look at all these humps now. I got out playing on the seventeenth, the road hole at St. Andrews, trying to figure out how to help to play that hole. They never moved the flagstick. You guys in the tournament more than a foot each day. They stick it right behind the sands of Nakajima, the big, huge pothole bunker.

All four days. Wow. They move it one foot.

And when I played, that's what they did. And the wind is howling left to right. And I'm like, impossible. I need a drone to drop the ball from above the green. And I've got about two hundred yards. But I was in the fairway somehow, which was shocking. But I hit a shot. So I took a five iron and I'm like, I'm going to hit this thing at the right edge of the green.

But there's a little bitty draw on it. And I'm going to hope like hell I get a good left hand bounce. And I hit it just the way I wanted to. And I see my ball. It looks like a rabbit. It's like, hop over here.

Hop over there. And I hear people. So, Pearl, the cool thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

So, yeah. All these people up there, they're like, who am I? And all of a sudden you hear this wall.

And I'm like, I can't be good. Where the hell? What happened to this ball? Right. So I get up there and this ball just jackrabbits across the thing. And then the front of the green is raised about four feet. So once it gets over the front of the green, you can't see anything.

You'd see the flags take way over to the left. And then you see all the people up there. I get up there and it's gone over the back of the green through this high rough. So that's a five iron from, you know, 200 yards with heavy wind blowing. That's just how hard the ball would bounce.

I'm landing at 30 yards short of the green. And it goes on and it finishes up on the cobblestone road. The road home? Yeah. What happened from there? I putted it. I called my marker and I said, sir, he's this old curmudgeon-y guy. He was about five foot six with a size 50 long jacket on. Okay.

And he had his little bucket hat pulled over his head and royal and ancient, you know. And I said, sir, can I need to ask you a question about this condition I'm in? I said, I'm on this road. I think I get a drop and he doesn't say a word. Doesn't acknowledge me. Walks over, has his hands behind his back. You know, he's five, six. He's already really close to the ball anyway.

Leans way over, straightens up and walks away. That meant you didn't get a job. I said to John, my Kenny, I'm thinking, no, you just couldn't tell you. Yeah. So I putted it and made my bogey. I remember you talking about you, you played well over there. You had a really good time over there. It was a great experience. Yeah. Making both cuts. It was fun.

Pearl, that's going to wrap up another show. This was fun. We had a little bit of hodgepodge.

We've mixed a little bit of things up. Thanks for being with me. Uh, me, thanks for, for spinning these dials and taking good care of us. And we will see you next week at golf with Jay Delsing.

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