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And let's just be honest. You were the guy. You kind of saw Houston on the Golf Channel, I think, and pointed him out to me. And I just love the interview.

Really fun. Just the right kind of energy, the right spirit, I thought, for your show. I knew you'd be able to relate to him. And I'm excited for people to hear him. He's got some interesting perspectives that I think is important. Yeah, and he brings a different skill set to this kind of fundraising effort and growing the game.

All right, Pearl. How about the Americans whipping some serious ass in Olympic golf? Nellie Korda, besides being world number one, obviously, just played her butt off and then had a little dip in the last 18 holes and still came back to win strong. And Xander Schauffele had just a hell of an exciting finish. And, Pearl, let's talk about that finish and some of the confidence that we both thought that he's going to garnish from that great victory. Yeah, I mean, it would have been great if he would have knocked it down the middle, hit it six feet, maybe made birdie or just lift out or something like that. But the way he ended up doing it and having to chip out, keep his poise, absolutely. They didn't talk enough about it, I don't think, about the pitch shot that he hit in there.

He just peered it right over the pin and just gorgeous shot in those circumstances and then gets up and makes the putt. And here's a guy who's not been able to close the deal like he should with the talent he is out there. And we all need that at some point in our career to kind of really come through for ourselves. And he absolutely did that. You and I talk about this all the time when we hear people all so-and-so choked or so-and-so did this. You know, Nick Faldo was a choker. Tom Watson was a choker. Tom Kite was a choker.

So they say, I don't believe any of that. It takes a while to learn how to win and play under that different level of pressure, let alone the pressure of an Olympics every four years. Right, Pearl. And then the whole family dynamic side of it with his dad being an Olympic hopeful and getting hit in that car accident and them getting to share that experience. I mean, I didn't ever get to have anything close like that with my dad, but that would have been some kind of cool thing. Well, his story is just fantastic. And I like that guy and I hope it springs him in to be able to just win that much more and compete that much more. And he has been competing. He just has kind of gotten over that proverbial hump.

But I think it's also another example. And again, we talked about the show, the guys, until you're comfortable winning, you're not comfortable winning. So he gets up there, he gets in the hunt, he can clearly play, but there's something about that next level.

And then here he did it on the on the Olympic stage. Now, you know, you can make the argument, well, how strong was the field? How's this? How's that? Well, so you played for your country, you're playing for the gold.

It's very possible you'll never do that again. And you know, it's your one shot and he came through. I thought it was just fantastic. I just I'm just a huge fan of the guy.

I am as well. And I'm really hoping that he goes ahead and takes the next step. And we've already seen him a lot. He's a hell of a player.

But it'd be neat to see him challenge a little more. Absolutely. Talk a little bit more about Nellie Korda. What did you see there? So here she blitzes the field when she shoots her what 61 because he double bogeyed last hole or something like that.

And I happen to watch that hole as well. But what's your take on what you saw from her already number one in the world? You know what, John, this is kind of crazy, but I liken her to Tiger when he came out. I liken her to Tiger.

There's a there's an elegance. I say this all the time about her game. That is such a unique blend of skill and power, touch, feel. She's a good looking person. She carries herself well. She's extremely athletic. I mean, she's got all the aces, man.

Yeah, just so competitive. And I just, you could, you could love her fight, but the announcers called it real well because they said if there's a kink in her armor, she doesn't like to play slow. And it started slowing down on her. And that double bogey she made on 18.

I don't even remember what day that was, if that was the second round, I think. But she gets up there and, you know, first of all questionable whether she should have been hitting driver, but appreciate that she was kind of going for it and all that. But the, that slow play kind of got her a couple of different times.

So that's a piece where I'm sure she's always dealing with that, but that seems to be really the only kink in her armor. I just like everything about the way she, she walks on that and handles herself in that golf course. And by the way, I'm also a huge fan of Lydia Co. And I thought she just did a great job as well. She is an absolute class act and it's kind of cool to see that on the tour. I'm not sure when you and I were growing up with the ladies tour, they had some of the professionalism in class and next level stuff that these ladies, these ladies are really bringing this tour along and it should come along because it's top notch. I agree. Huge, huge fan here of the LPGA tour. We're still working to try to get some of the girls on the show, but just a huge fan. We got to wrap it up.

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Man, we're getting close. And I am leaving tomorrow morning to go to Calgary to play a Champions event up there and represent the Ascension Charity Classic. I got my ACC golf bag. I'm really excited. But folks, September 6th through 12th, Norwood Hills, you've got to get your butts out there and watch some great golf.

The golf course is perfect. It's going to be really, really fun. I am so excited you're getting up to Canada. I hope you get a chance to really get a feel for playing again. When's the last time you played competitively, Jay? At least five years. Wow. All right. So you need a couple of weeks. You'll be ready for Ascension.

I'll be barking at Pearly when we get out there. Guys, I had this opportunity to sit down with Houston White, and what a cool guy he is. First of all, he's a serial entrepreneur. He started cutting hair when he was five or six years old and cut his buddy's hair charging a couple bucks. And before he knew it, he was perfecting it and charging him $20. He opened a little place where he used to cut hair. Then he's kind of ventured into the fashion world. He's got three different levels and types of design. And what's really cool is he's bringing this into the world of golf.

One of the fashion lines is definitely golf specific. He loves the game. And he's also got a tournament, Be The Change golf tournament in Minneapolis. So let's jump in to this interview with Houston White. Is it his time?

There it is! Can you believe it? Houston White is brought to you by Golden Tee. I'm sitting down this morning with Houston White from Minneapolis, Minnesota. Houston, thanks for joining me today. Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure. Oh man, the pleasure is mine. I saw this little spot on Golf.com and my buddy, Pearly, that does the show with me said, This guy is so cool.

You got to talk to him. And I feel so privileged to be able to hook up with you this quickly, man. Tell us a little bit about how you grew up. I know you grew up initially in Mississippi, but then at an early age, you moved to Minneapolis. Yeah, so I was born in Mississippi in the late 70s.

And I always describe Mississippi as my little African village. And that is, both my grandmothers lived on the same street about three football fields apart. And all of their offspring, both my grandmothers, lived pretty close after they left the house. And so I grew up kind of going from house to house and was pretty much related to everybody. So just like a African village, you know, it's like you're growing up in the bosom of family. And all of that family did different things.

Most of them were entrepreneurs. And so I had uncles that built artisan beds. I had uncles that were welders, painters, musicians, you name it. And so, you know, I was in the bosom of that family and I got to play and I've always been creative.

And so it was a dream come true for a young boy. And my parents divorced in 85. And my aunt, who was the matriarch of the family, she had moved to Minnesota in 69.

And my parents divorced from Little Rocky. And so my aunt told my mom, you know, bring the kids to Minnesota. This is around 85.

And this is a great place to raise them. And so we came here in 85 and my mom and I had one deal. And that was that I come to Minnesota, but I had to go to UC50 every summer.

And that's what I did all the way up until the age of 18 years old. Oh my gosh, that's quite a difference in Minneapolis and Minnesota, just in the weather alone. Yeah, but you know, we got prints. The music is cool. And this is a really creative town. And so that's one of the things that made me fall in love with it. And it is a culture shock, though, I got to say. I came here when I was a kid and I first saw a squirrel running down the street and it scared me to death.

I'm like, what the heck is that? Because we didn't have squirrels just running around randomly. But I fell in love with this place, you know, and it worked out because I got to go and spend those summers with my grandma and dad and everybody in Mississippi. So I always like to say it was the best of both worlds for a young kid.

Yeah. You know, Houston, your story is so interesting because creativity takes on so many forms, doesn't it? And you started cutting hair at an early age in the entrepreneurial side. You started charging your buddies and whomever, you know, wanted a haircut, a couple of bucks. And it turned into a pretty damn good little gig there.

It was a great gig, man. I mean, I was talking about that today in a meeting I was having about, because someone asked the question, cutting hair fashion, what do they have anything to do with each other? And I'm like, look, they're both forms of creativity. You know, cutting hair is like sculpting. You know, you have to look at a person's head and figure out how to shade. The really good barbers cut hair to make the client look good.

And that's specific. There's a form of artistry there. And, you know, fashion is the same way. And for me, I always wanted to be an entrepreneur. And so at a young age, especially in an urban environment, one of the most valuable things to a young black guy is a fresh haircut. And so whoever could provide that at a nominal fee, you know, was winning. And so I was less expensive than going to the barbershop at service. And that got me all those early clients. And then I got all that practice. And then I got as good as the barbers by the time I was 15. And so that's when it just, I was making more money than my mom at 16 years old cutting hair. So it was interesting. Man, yeah, that's really interesting.

And then I mean, from there, you know, you have, you have Houston White's men room men's room and some of the other things that you did. But I was just fascinated by that that story because I'm not sure who was asking you about cutting hair and fashion. But if anybody knows anything about trying to look good, I mean, your do is a big part of that. It's a huge part of it. You'd be better off getting a good haircut and wear and wear some old clothes than the reverse. Right.

Because it all starts up top. And and, you know, I mean, there's a reason why the cosmetic and the beauty industry is such a big business because it makes people feel good about themselves. You know, like, I mean, cutting hair, fashion.

That is the kind of those are those non verbal forms of communication is what you say about yourself before you talk to anyone and they see you and they make judgments whether they're right or wrong. But like I said, especially in urban America, when I was coming today, you know, box tops and Bobby Brown and, you know, all that stuff was all the rage and he could make somebody look like that game over. So Houston, you were introduced to the game at a pretty early age, but it didn't get you in the game didn't really get along all that well to begin. No, I was the worst player on my team. So I'm an athlete. I love I grew up playing basketball.

I thought I was going to go to NBA be honest, which I practice every day all day. And I used to be a pitcher. And so I was pretty good hitter.

Not great. I'm better at pitching. I love baseball. And I had always seen golf clubs like in my in the garage.

And of course, at that time, you know, every Sunday, it would be kind of background noise in my house. But Channel 4 11 was on is Greg Norman and all those guys and doctors what it didn't resonate with me because I didn't get it. So the coach of my high school basketball team. We won like three straight state championships. We had an amazing team at my school that coach. I found out was the coach of the tennis team and the golf team.

And I'm like, wow, a black man. Okay, and that made me try out. And so I tried out and I was I was going to do it, but I was really bad. I mean, you know, going to be on a boxing and I made the team, but you know, I mean, I couldn't get off the tee couldn't put it was too much for my ego at that time. It was such a hard game to start with, but I want to circle back to that. But I know how much Tiger Woods, winning the Masters in 97 it influenced you and I and I, I still say to people, one of the coolest things that I've been able to experience, regardless of my skin color, but as a professional golfer was watching Tiger do what he did, and open the doors that should have been opened years ago.

We're finally open now. Yeah, that whole that that I watched that entire Masters, and I was 19 at the time. And that right there. That's that was what sparked me to really get back into the game.

And when before when I was a kid, and kind of quit at that really rough days because it's hard to push through. And, and I found a really good golf coach. And I just, that was my obsession I have books from from 97 and 98, where, you know, with my coach would say look, here's what you do, Timbo, we're going to hit 10 balls at a time and better range, and you hit 10 balls with one club and you mark down how many, how many hit well out of that 10, and then what was happening with the ones that you hit poorly.

And I still have those books and that process. And so, that was the spark though that and tigers. Just present, you know, the relatability I always talk about now, if we're going to make, if we're going to grow this game, you have to make golf more culturally relevant, and not just like having black faces, but the clothing, the music.

The things that happen inside the roads, right, have to reflect the people that you want to attract. And so that that's what did it for me, too. Yeah, so, gosh, that's really cool. I want to talk about your golf tournament but let's talk a little bit about black excellence the clothing line, tell me about the, you know, there's three different brands within the brand and they're really unbelievable the, the new. I love how you have a name and then then kind of almost like a, like a slang or a street name for, you know, your, your victory sports where you're fresh as more street, where I just I just love how you've done this. Thank you.

Thank you. You know, we're all like different people at different times of the day or week right like that's my, at least I am I think most of us are. And I was having a hard time trying to figure out how I had to present my brand to the world and I felt like I had to make a decision. Are you are you urban.

Are you prepping, you know, what are you and I'm like, I'm all of these things and so it took a while but like saying, I, here's fresh. I'm a kid that that that's informed by urban culture and street culture, and we all like to wear our favorite t shirt, maybe on the weekends or whatever. And that's where it's fresh lives and so you can exist in that state, new classic at some point or another need to wear a blazer or, you know, a fresh poplin shirt or an Oxford or something at some point.

And that's kind of what are the new ways we can present that look, and then the victory. And that is where I get to flex my love for golf and sport where in a very culturally relevant way and so it all it all kind of encompasses this idea that black culture is American culture and and black excellence is is the embodiment or the idea or the idea is that kind of houses, those ambitions and if you think about like jazz music. Jazz is a is a all American art form black musicians took classical music. And basically we were informed by it and then just mixed it up and melded into this new form and then pushing pushes it back into the world as jazz.

And so, for me, I am a kid that's like all of my influences from Ralph Lauren from Diddy who go balls, everything all of it. I tried to figure out how can I take all those different influences and create something unique and different and put it out on the jazz music, and that's kind of how my brand architecture is built. And I think that what's so interesting about that Houston is, is that there are some other musicians and just some other really creative people that are crossing over into the game with their different, just a different look for golf and it's just, I just think it's fantastic I just think it gives us such a broader reach and just a fresher look.

You can't, you can't have a Super Bowl halftime show without some kind of urban flair or something that connects with a lot of different audiences. You know, and I think golf, NBA, same thing, even in NHL golf is that last frontier of the very stuffy kind of white exclusive world. The future of the country is black and brown and urban and how do we, how do we not not do away with the history of golf and don't want to overthrow people, it's just how do you make room for culture to exist. And how do these worlds, share a stage, especially if the game is to last, you know, and be a part of this new future that that we're embarking upon, because I think the way that the golf is, the way golf is positioned right now if it doesn't become the cooler.

It will eventually be like the Titanic or like blockbuster. All right, that's gonna wrap up the front nine don't go anywhere, we'll be back with the back nine, and the rest of that interview with Houston White. This is golf with Jay Delson.

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Doing great Joe. Thanks so much for the support of the show. I really appreciate the opportunity. Congratulations. This is your third year and we're really proud to be a sponsor all three years since the very beginning. It's a great show and we look forward to it every Sunday morning.

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Yeah that's great. Well so you're over at Lake Carlisle. Tell us a little bit about the junior programs. I know you're in the top three in the country with some of your numbers. Yeah you know we've been really fortunate. Our PGA Junior League program here is great.

There's not many facilities around us that have anything like that. We were the third largest you know we're trying to get our numbers up. We'd like to you know stay there or if not do better so we're just trying to grow it. We keep it extremely fun so we get a lot of participation and it's just been a great thing for our facility and our game of golf and our juniors in the area. Well Don, what do your numbers look like and are you starting to see some kids turn into some pretty good players?

You know that's the phenomenal thing. You know we were at 175 for the spring and summer and then I've got another 75 for the fall. So we're looking at around 250.

We did have some drop off in the fall due to other sports and stuff going on now that COVID's cleared up a little bit. But that's the thing you know as I get into my teaching business you know I'm kind of waiting for that elite student that I get that wants to really put his head to the grindstone and get going on things. But we're kind of just doing that with some kids that have started up. You know we have a really nice program through US Kids Golf that we use and we really are. I'm starting to get I've got a really group of five or six kids I call them my elite ranchers and they're starting to get into some tournament golf.

I'm starting to medal. I'm getting some scores down and just going through the process of learning so it's starting to really get fun. Oh that's so terrific and you know what I love the fact that you're blowing up that old thought that if you don't have a lot of money you know you can't play this game it's just not true. Yeah that's what I say that to people all the time they really get into oh golf's an expensive sport and I tell them I said well it's as expensive as you want it to be. You know my kids you know I've got two juniors that are growing up to the game so they kind of get a blank check you know anything they want.

But you know I mean there's programs out there there's so much used equipment now. We have kids equipment here. We get kids that get into our golf academy and they don't even have clubs you know and we provide the clubs for them. So they're out here weekly getting that exposure to the game and you know hopefully some of that just kind of takes off for them.

We've got a nice trade in program because we have so many juniors in our PGA junior league that we're able to kind of trade off clubs you know with other families so that that works out really well too. This is Don Cooper this is the Gateway Spotlight on golf with Jay Delsing. Don keep doing what you're doing growing the game and it sounds like you're bringing a lot of energy having a lot of fun. Yeah hey thanks Jay I appreciate it and a huge shout out to our Gateway section or the Great Way section as our president likes to call it.

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If you need something for your business, call Ed 314-398-0101. All right, let's go to the second half of that in my interview with Houston White. Arnold Palmer is the Masters champion of 1916. There it is a win for the ages. That was a great putt.

Jack finishing off. And what a day it's been for him a round of 65. Houston White is brought to you by Golden Tee. You're doing this great tournament called be the change let's talk about that a little bit but one of the things that's my favorite Houston, about the game of golf is its uses a vehicle, it's a societal powerhouse, it can raise money, it can get people together like you and I that have never met, we share some common thoughts and some common loves and some common beliefs, and who the hell knows where our friendship can go.

And that's all because of the game. It's all because of the game we love and how I was walking last place Minicata Country Club for the first time it's one of the oldest clubs in Minneapolis, beautiful golf course. I was invited out and I played, I walked with Bob White, who is the grandson of Hubert White, famous figure in Minnesota fashion and clothing and styles and all that. And here I am a 43 year old man, black man walking with a 73 year old white man who comes from a family legacy and fashion. I was talking new fashion he was talking, the old days, but we wouldn't have spent four and a half hours, doing that, and then we had dinner afterwards, and then towards and we were together six hours. And he goes, can you spend six hours with someone you've never met?

What would you do? You know, and that, that was just an example of how that game, you know, it brings people together and so the tournament was created to do things just like that. And typically you know you go to a golf tournament, and they're great, but you're just playing with your buddies. And when you talk about raising money for especially underserved communities. Well, how hypocritical is it not to be willing to go to those communities or play golf on a course in that community that's just quote unquote raise the money for. And so, we have the golf tournament, intentionally, at Theatre Wars, which is one of the oldest golf courses in the state, and then one of the first golf courses to allow black players to play. And then bring people together, you know, bring, bring a fourth into a group of three, or bring two into a group of two and mix people up. And it is magical what happened last year. The mayor of Minneapolis played with three black women, and the mayor kept the relationship and just spoke at an event that one of the black women through for this great golfer who passed away a couple years ago and our relationship was built.

Last year at the tournament they didn't know each other, you know, and so that is the uniqueness of this this platform with the people change tournament. It's just fantastic but you've also got some really cool plans to kind of expand this idea into almost like a community festival, talk a little bit about that I just love that idea. You know, so Minneapolis. Obviously we didn't want this but we did the social justice capital of the world right now because of the murder of George Floyd and what happened afterwards. And so, our city has suffered emotionally we've been in the heart of the pandemic like anyone else, but on top of all the things that other states were dealing with, we were dealing with increasing violence, we were dealing with things being shut down because they were destroyed always.

And so, our downtown has been decimated. And so, how do you bring back this lively city. Well, I thought that the same way we brought people together during the pandemic to talk and to get to know each other, and to raise money and to raise awareness around social justice and race and all of it. You know, and it could be Thursday, Sunday, Thursday, kick off with conferences around, what does it mean to be the change where you just host different public figures from out of state and state, maybe throughout the world, and start to have some dialogue about things we could do.

Friday. You would begin to have, you know, maybe jazz in the streets with the music that Saturday would just be a bang up festival with different staging First Avenue, Viking symbols everybody involved, and just take over the streets of Minneapolis and have everything from family fun to, you know, some different kinds of music that folks can go to and all kind of food, and then bookend it with the golf tournament on Sunday. Raise a ton of money, bring people together. And it'd be a different way to think about connecting community. I love one of the things I read that you said, when it comes to getting involved and just, just whether it's the golf tournament whether it's the music festival whether it's sitting around talking that your presence is more important than your pocketbook.

And that that says a lot about the way that you see this thing happening. I mean, obviously, we need money to do certain things, but it starts way before the money. Way before the money relationships. If I want a loan from a bank. I need to have a relationship to a banker, and the better my relationship with that bank is that bank is going to go and speak on my behalf. But if I can show up to a financial institution right and divide.

Well, fill out this application and we'll take a look at it, but they're going to look at you, just as a random number of customer and they're going to judge you by things that have no humanity. And for me, along this journey I've learned that all transactions, everything is relational everything. And so if we're going to move society forward. We're going to have to take away the titles begin to address people through first names, like doesn't matter if you're a CEO or politicians or struggling with people first. And if you start to see that and build relationships.

I think that especially coming off these last whatever six plus years, it seems like an eternity where we've been more divided than I can remember in my lifetime. I think there's really important to start to get together and end with different people can't just be talking to folks in our bubble. We do have to talk to folks that are different than us to expand and grow. This is golf with Jay delsing and I am visiting with Houston white Houston, what's next for you, tell the folks, a little bit about how they can follow you how, if you want to pop your social media stuff, your, your websites your clothes, anything please come on let us have it. So what's nice for me I'm in the throes of a development and a little area that we call Cameron town. And I'm really excited about that, then bring different people into inner city communities and changing communities by scaling enterprises that then benefit those communities, like to get down coffee company, which launches and 42 target this Sunday. Get down coffee company, get down coffee calm. And my fashion brands are all under the Houston white umbrella, and it's simply Houston white.co.

And some people say you did you miss him. I've been on all of the social media channels, I G Facebook Houston white.co get down coffee and be the change golf tournament which will happen. September 11 a theater where golf course. We're at be the change golf.com, you can look us up, even if folks can't be there physically you can donate. What we're trying to do is have a conversation about how to move society forward, and also raise money for a lot of small organizations that are doing great work that typically get overlooked by big philanthropy. So that's our mission right to use this game that we love game that I love to really help benefit these youngsters who are future and if we don't do it then who will, you know, Houston, there's a little boys and girls club called Matthews Dickey's here in St. Louis and they go up to the club that I grew up at, and on Wednesdays from six to eight.

They boys and girls come, you know, most of them are African American they're not all African American but most of them are in there, they've just never been presented the game before. And it's so so I'll go up there and help them, you know, try to hit it a little better and talk to them and just, I come out of there feeling just just my eyes are so much more open than when I started, but watching these kids get presented this thing. It's amazing. When I, when I think about what you're doing with the game, how the games affected you how the game is absolutely dominated and provided for my family and I my entire life, and I'm like, man, just even if one of these little boys are this little these little girls take on to this thing. It was all worth it.

This game. I mean, that right there is the gift that keeps on giving right like it's teaching how to fish not giving a fish. That's why your presence is more important than your pocketbook, because your presence is inspiring and then your presence gives the information.

And if, to your point, it sparks interest. Well, that's a lifetime. That's a lifetime. You know Harriet Tubman brought 300 people from slavery to freedom. And I read something recently, and think about it like this and it says, think about the kids and those 300 people the grandkids the great grandkids. You know, it can you say well just 300 people.

But there's a catalytic effect to helping this one person. Man, that's just fantastic. This is Houston White Houston, thank you so much for jumping on with me today man I could talk to you forever. I'm going to keep following you I'm going to do anything I can to help if you ever get down to St. Louis gosh you. We got to tee it up and we got to talk man I don't know what should be more fun. Yeah, let's tee it up and talk I like the sound of that. Thank you so much for having me I appreciate it. Yeah, look forward to meeting you in person.

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All right, welcome back. This is golf with Jay Delcey. I'm your host Jay Pearlys with me and we are headed to the 19th hole.

It's brought to you by Michelob Ultra. Before we get into the Simone Biles thing, I want to give a shout out to Crystal Highlands. They are reopening. They've been closed for a few years. Go check them out. Good golf course down in Festus.

Crystal Highlands is back open for business. John, the Houston White, just a really cool guy. I love the fact that he's bringing his stuff into the world of golf and it's unapologetic. It's different and it's fresh.

We need it. Yeah, there's lots of ways to look at it. I told you, I kind of had, I felt this way and I felt that way about it, but he made me think about different things. I love his energy. I like what he's bringing. The true entrepreneur, he doesn't see any boundaries. He just sees all the possibilities. It's a lot of fun listening to him. It really was. He'll be on the show again.

He was really fun. All right, so John, Simone Biles. I mean, what Simone Biles is dealing with is this thing called the Twisties and it just reminded me of how great Rick Ankiel was for us on the show to talk so frankly and so honestly about, you know, that kind of version of the yips with his pitching. And having this gymnast experience this thing called the Twisties. So I did a little research on a pearl and it's like these folks get up in the air and they're 10 and 15 and sometimes even higher off the ground twisting and turning and they lose the sense of where they are in the air, John.

And the biggest fear is obviously landing on your head and it could be, even for the speed and the height that they're coming from, it could be even game over for some of these guys. Well, that's why it's hard, right, to relate it to other sports in other situations, you know, say, hey, you're not on your game. You still have to go out there under the pitchers balance. You're not in the game. You still have to go out there in the ring and box. You're not in the game. You still have to go on the football field, but that's where I guess it's different, right?

Because you're not on your game and you come down sideways and you break your neck and you're dead. So it's a different, it's a different deal across the board, but you were talking a little bit about also she hasn't lost before. Yeah, so where does that fit? So the pressure has a lot, in my opinion, the pressure has so much to do with this and we're talking about expectations. You and I have talked about that in so many different walks of life. And when you start setting this bar so high and the commentary with her went something like this, it's not proper to compare her to Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods and Tom Brady because she never loses. And I mean, we were talking at the break and Meat was just saying, you don't get this full effect when you're watching him compete, but she jumps off the mat and there's six cameras surrounding her, you know, three and a half feet from her face. It's like this, this world that just was probably feeling like I was closing in on her. And then this happened and then it happened to her once before in her career. And it's, I can't even imagine what it feels like.

Well, not to the degree that it costs us our lives, but you can as far as having to compete and knowing that you don't have your game. That's, that's, that's a tough situation. But yeah, I think it's interesting how it got cleared up over time. You know, you know, what was my first thought when, when she did I'm like, well, listen, you know, you got to show up. My thing was then, then, then do a simpler version of your, of your exercise and then, you know, you're not as competitive because you're doing two twists instead of 15 twists or whatever the heck she's doing.

But I guess that doesn't work either. So, so much of it was trying to really understand that. And how do you, how do we understand what a person like that is going through? Because really no other person on the planet is dealing with that scenario. Yeah, no question about it. I mean, it's just one of those things. And to have it happen, Pearl, it's no coincidence.

You know, I don't believe in those anyway. There's no coincidence that it happened on this stage. And, you know, after all this training, not four years, John, but five years because of COVID, you know, that she'd waited, waited for it to try to get another stack of gold medals into her trophy case. Yeah, it was just so impressive. But then I love the way she kind of hung in there, cheered on her teammates, did a lot of other things that, you know, are the way to do it as a leader, which was impressive as well. So it's, I don't know, the rest of us just can't really relate. I'm just trusting her that she did what was right for her and her team. Yeah, absolutely.

It's hard to relate. I'm glad that they kind of backed off and walked back on some of the strict criticism that they started off with on her and tried to understand this from a different point of view. Pearl, that's going to wrap up another show.

Thanks so much for being with me. I loved it. It's going too fast, but I loved it. Meat, thanks for taking care of us here at the ESPN Studios, and we will be with you next week with more of Golf with Jay Delsing.

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