We're Talking Fashion? - - Golf With Jay Delsing

Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing.

On The Range is brought to you by the Gateway section of the PGA. Hey, good morning. This is Golf with Jay Delsing.

I'm your host, Jay. Pearly's back. Pearly, where are you?

I'm in southern Illinois raking leaves, burning leaves, and I got my bow leaning up against the tree just in case one of those furry critters comes crawling on by. He must have already had the porridge of David Bote. The porridge of David Bote.

Oh my God. What did he call him? Booty. David Booty.

I think his name's Chris Bote, isn't it? Okay, well, let's see. We formatted the show like a round of golf.

Okay, we're off to a fly and start. And the first segment is called the On The Range segment brought to you by the Gateway PGA. Oh my gosh, there's over 300 men and women in the greater St. Louis area that are part of our Gateway section.

They work long hours doing all of these things behind the scenes to make our golf experience better. So we appreciate them. Pearly, we were dying. I got, I don't know, countless emails last week because we didn't have a social media update. They kind of hit us with something. How's Facebook? Well, get with the times, Jay. Facebook is now meta, so they've changed their phone number, their address, their emails, and everywhere you contact them. So I'm still trying to track them down. They've run away from their Facebook name and they're starting to call themselves meta. That's the update for the week. Right on, Pearl. Boy, no wonder this part of the show is so popular, Meat. I want to thank Bob and Kathy at Donahue Painting and Refinishing, 314-805-2132.

Anything inside or outside of your home, besides being great humans, they do a phenomenal job at beautifying your home. All right, so let's just jump right into the show. You know, Pearl, we're at kind of a slow-ish time in the golf season. The PGA Tour's got its wraparound thing going. The weather's starting to get crappy here in St. Louis. So we dug up some kind of cool things. Well, wait a second.

Let me ask you a question on that before we get into our cool things, and they are definitely cool. What do you think about the wraparound season? I was listening to another show on the radio. I didn't know there was any other golf shows than us, but apparently there's one or two others. And they were talking about not liking the wraparound season, didn't think that we should have one, because we're more hungry for golf if we take a couple months off.

What do you think about that? Okay, so I would answer that question two ways. I understand that if you're going to have 40, what, 46, 47 tournaments, 48 tournaments out of a 52-week year, that it's going to feel diluted. I get that. As a player, hell no. Give me as many opportunities to play every single week, John.

The winter's cashing in over a million dollars. I mean, just bring it. And I mean, what's interesting is when I played, I enjoyed the fact that right around, if I wasn't going back to the computer school, I really enjoyed the fact that I got to put my clubs away and take time off with the family and just, I was one of those guys that put the clubs away and never touched them at all.

Most of the guys aren't like that. But I liked the idea that there was a more market startup point. You know, we always started somewhere either at Palm Springs or Hawaii. Once they moved the Tournament of Champions over to Kapalua, we started in Hawaii.

But it's a different time, a different place now. And, Pearl, the mission statement of the PGA Tour is to provide playing opportunities for professional golfers. So provide opportunities, man.

Get as many events out there as you can. Let guys get chances to support their families and to start a career, launch a career, gain some confidence in a career, whatever it might be. I think gaining the confidence has a lot to do with it.

Because at this time of year, you see a lot of names that you don't normally see at the top of the leaderboard. And those guys are having the chance. And as you and I would agree, our minds don't know what tournament we won. A win is a win type of a thing. And build that up.

So I think that's pretty awesome. And by the way, for those folks that we're talking about, you know, we don't want to watch that much golf. Don't watch it. You don't have to watch it if golf is on.

Turn something else on if you want to. Because the pomp and circumstance and all the extra goodies that go with the true start of the season will be there anyway when that happens. So I think we're both on the same page. If they can play and they can play for money and they can hone their game, let them play.

Yeah, hell yeah, Pearl. It'd be like going into Major League Baseball and saying, you know, 162 is too many games. This is your rookie year. You've dreamed about this your whole life. And all of a sudden they say, let's just cut the opportunity that you have.

I mean, it's not all that comparable but it's comparable enough to make you think, you know, get an event. They're raising money somewhere in the country for some good charities. They're doing some good work. I like it. That's a great point.

And I think that comment of not having it is spoken by guys that either haven't played or have more money than they know what to do with and don't need to keep playing. So anyway, that's the exclamation point on that conversation. What's next? All right. So what's next is we've got a couple of fun topics we're going to talk about.

A, we're going to talk a little bit about the history of golf fashion, which you are on the catalog, Pearl, for the don't. You got a big red X. You got a big red X.

You got a big red X. That's not exact. No, it's not necessarily true. I wear very nice stuff. But the only reason I wear very nice stuff is because you give it all to me. Yeah. Your fashion game is stiff. Your point is if you didn't give it to me, you're right. I would be wearing T-shirts and ripped jeans.

There's no two ways about that. But it's interesting when I remember looking back when we were kids and watching what the golfers would wear, you'd be like, what? That looks like an old couch that's sitting in the house, you know, with the wild plaids. And I can remember, man, I was 16 years old and I got to be on the cover of the Gateway Golfer magazine because I won the stroke.

I had a low stroke average that year. I had the same thing on. I had a green shirt on with a pair of pants that had every color. So you know what was cool about that? I remember thinking, these pants are awesome.

They go with everything. Because they had every single color on it. And I see that picture now and I'm like, brutal. It's brutal. Those pants are so brutal.

You could throw them into a Goodwill and no one would take them. Yeah. I think between our hairstyles and our clothing styles back in the day, I can remember I got this pair. We had Carl's Golf Land.

You see it online now. But back in the day, it was just a little shop outside of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. And actually, I was friends with Carl and Carl Jr., great guys. And they just built an unbelievable business up there now. But we'd go through Carl's. And one reason it was so popular is there were so many clothes choices.

And as you rightly have stated, I'm not into it anyway. But for whatever reason, I'm walking through there one day, probably to go to the driving range. And I see this pair of yellow pants with blue dots on it. And it just struck me as these are like the coolest pants I've ever seen. And I bought those things. And they were flared out bell-bottoms, of course. Of course they were. And they were so tight, I could barely get those things out.

You can imagine 6'3", 168 pounds, an Afro the size of a basketball. That's a good look. And by the way, the first place I played with them on was Oakland Hills, baby.

Oakland Hills South Course, teeing off. And I thought I was something. You were hot stuff, man.

Pearly top stuff with the big... When I look back at our pictures from their UCLA days, everybody had an Afro. Okay, let's talk about this for a second. Why?

Why? We're talking about attire. We're talking about fashion. Yeah. So describe to the listeners what your daily attire, your favorite outfit was when we would sit at the student union and watching the people.

Most of the young ladies walked by. What was your favorite attire? Well, I can remember this. I remember it very well.

Oh, I do. I can remember this. First of all, it was either shorts or sweatpants on the bottom half. With a pair of high top tennis shoes with no socks on because I was pretty cool. And then my T-shirt... So I'm a T-shirt guy. My kids say, dad, your uniform is either jeans and a T-shirt or shorts and a T-shirt.

Right now, I have jeans and a T-shirt on. And my shirt said, get hammered. You remember it. The reason you remember it is because you wore it four or five hundred times. It was from a buddy of mine.

Steve Hildebrandt opened a restaurant called Maxwell Edison's. And the Beatles song, Bang Bang Maxwell Silver Hammer. And that's where the get hammered came from. But I was obviously using it as a pun for something else. Sure, sure, sure. Or maybe it wasn't.

Yeah. It didn't attract any of the attention that we were probably looking for at the time. And I don't know why, do you?

Well, that's the problem. We didn't know why it happened. We don't really know why now. Oh, I know why now. I absolutely know why.

Hey, you know what? We're going to have to wrap up the on the range segment. But let me give a tip of the cap to my buddy, a good friend and a buddy, Blake Scornia, who I'm coaching with his golf game. He just signed a scholarship to Southern Illinois University.

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Hey, welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. I've got Pearly with me and Brad Barn to meet.

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Year one was a blast. All right, Pearl, we are talking about golf fashion and the history of golf fashion. Now this, let's be upfront.

You brought this to the table. Why don't you lead off a little bit with what your take on some of these articles that we've read on golf fashion is. Well, I think it's kind of interesting just to get a little bit of the history behind things.

Just kind of a note here, you know, golf originated in the 15th century in Scotland. So when you started thinking about, you know, what they were wearing, it says thick fabrics like plaid and tweed to protect from the cold weather. Because those guys are out there playing in cold, windy weather the whole time. These Knickerbockers or plus fours were paired with flat caps. I love flat caps even today. I think they're cool. Do you really? You don't know that I wear one once in a while because I wouldn't show it to you because you would make fun of me.

I absolutely would. I'm not a big fan of those, but go ahead. So they're playing with flat caps and heavy tweed jackets. We see that in some of the old golf movies. Pearl, they were also wearing ties and like vests and sport coats and all sorts of jazz. One of the things I've got to say, when we went to UCLA and, you know, I've never been in a golf club that nice before, had you? Well, I guess you were at Oakland Hill, so maybe you had been.

Yeah, I've been in a couple, but they're a little fancier out there on the West Coast, that's for sure. But Eddie Maritz, the head golf pro, and our head golf coach, wore a jacket and tie in the pro shop. He was setting the tone, baby. He was setting the culture for us. How'd that go over? With some of us fairly well.

With some of us who continued to buck the system for four straight years, not very well. I can't think of any names Jay Delsing, other than maybe a person here or there. Yeah, let's not bring up any names Jay Delsing at all. I just, I was like, man, I thought we were playing golf so we didn't have to wear a tie. You ever wear a tie now? No. Maybe once every couple years. None of the Ascension events, you had to wear a tie?

No. Oh, really? I'm surprised. My daughter Gemma just got married, I didn't have a tie on. Well, I wouldn't brag about that necessarily.

I'm not bragging, I'm just telling you how it is. Actually, it was Gemma, so she wouldn't have let you wear a tie had you wanted to wear one. That's a good point. That's a good point. Alright, so when it comes... Who are some of the best dressed guys? This is the thing that used to kill me.

This used to kill me. So Payne Stewart, God rest his soul, is a Missourian. And he grew up in Springfield area. And Payne's about five years older than I am, six years older than I am. So I didn't get to play them that much, but I did get to know him. And then once I got on tour, we played a lot. I mean, I probably played 30, 40 rounds of golf with Payne Stewart.

It was pretty cool. He would get voted best dressed golfer every single year. And we would grill him unmercifully because he looked so bad. He was wearing knickers. He'd have those tight, stretchy socks that went all the way up the calf, almost to his knee. Then his knickers hit the bottom of the knee.

But John, here's what's interesting about Payne. And I said to him, you're not this smart. First of all, he got paid ridiculous amounts of money for one. Remember, he dressed like the NFL teams.

Absolutely. He is that smart. That part, he was that smart. What he didn't understand until it happened, and I said to him, I can't believe how cool this is that you're doing this.

And he goes, why? I said, because you are one of the most recognizable guys on the golf course and one of the most unrecognizable guys off because he had a uniform on. Yeah. He always wore that Kangol hat, always matched.

I mean, bro, if he had some bright canary yellow knickers on, he'd wear bright yellow and white shoes and a bright yellow hat. It was just, wow. We were like, yeah. He's like, look at how good I look. I'm like, you look like a cuckoo.

Anyway. Well, just on our theme here. So actually, golf continued to grow in popularity through the 1920s, and the upper-class players took their fashion to the next level with patterned long socks, two-tone shoes, shirts and ties, and knitted cardigans. So that was very much Payne Stewart. I love the fact that he stood out, and I don't doubt one bit that you guys grilled him mercifully, but I would bet that a lot of people don't understand that in general. I think it's changed, as we've discussed on the tour, but back in the day, you guys had the needle out pretty good. If somebody did something different, tried to stand out, tried to do anything different, whatever, the needle was always out. Wasn't it out there? Oh, there's no question.

There's no question. I mean, my first couple years on tour, I played a lot with Bobby Watkins and John Mahaffey, J.C. Sneed, Leonard Thompson, guys that had been out there for a long time, and the first couple of times playing with him, it got pretty brutal. Then I got paired with Ed Fiore, who just chirped me the entire day. He's like, God, you're swinging really hard today.

Here's what he told me. God, you're hooking a lot of these today. And I was like, dude, who are you?

I don't even know. And the grip, he was such a good guy and a very dear friend. But this first run of golf, I'll never forget, I'm playing at Westchester, and he has just given me all kinds of hell all day long. And he's laughing at me, and I've never met him before.

And finally, I stand up on 18, and I hit this big duck hook into the left rough trying to get to this Part 5 and 2. And we're walking off to T, and he says, Son, I do believe you swing as hard at every shot as anyone I've ever seen. And I said, Ed, coming from a guy that looks like you, swings like you, and has a body shape like you, I think I'm doing pretty well. I mean, I had had it.

And I didn't swear, but I was thinking swear. And I said that, and he started laughing, and he came over, and he put his arm around me. And he said, let me just explain something to you. I like you. And I'm thinking to myself, is that good?

Is that good? Did you like me? And he says, I like you.

Because if I didn't like you, I wouldn't say, beep, to you. Yeah, he was a character. I know you liked him for a long time. He was terrific. And there's the guy, you're talking about having a great game out of that body and that grip. The guy could flat play, and there was no real expectation if you were just kind of watching him walk around that he could do anything, but he could play.

Well, Pearl, I think of the first maybe 50 times Tiger Woods had a lead going into Sunday, the only time that he was caught and didn't win was by Ed Fiore at John Deere Classic at Oakwood. That's awesome. Yep. So back to the clothing. So who was some of the better dressed out there? So you went through Kane Stewart.

That's for sure. He stood out for forever. You liked to knock Johnny Miller. And he was kind of considered kind of a flashy dude, too. And he had a little bit different look. Well, he had the Johnny Miller. Remember at JCPenney, he had Johnny Miller menswear. He had the big thick white belt, the triple knit pants, and then the pop the collar. Remember, he had the collar popped like up in the late 70s and 80s. And when I played with him in 85, I thought, wow, this guy, I don't know what's going on.

He did not. It was my fourth tournament on the PGA Tour on Sunday. I got paired with Hale Irwin and Johnny Miller.

And Hale Irwin is just, he is just competitive and mean as a hornet out there. And Johnny Miller is just in a different planet, walking around just kind of dazed and confused. Got his collar popped and picking up his ball, telling him he's going to take a drop. I mean, it was a crazy, crazy day. But Johnny had his bright white shoes on, his light blues, triple knit, collar popped.

You know, one of those deals going. Well, he stood out. I mean, there's two guys who stood out.

Maybe the other way that struggled a little bit with their... Brad Bryant, who is a fun guy. He, we used to call him Dr. Dirt because no matter what, right out of the shower, he looked dirty. Everything he did looked dirty. He just, he never got the hair off his face when he shaved. He never, everything was rumpled. His shirts were always never ironed, never clean.

Had a cigar, you know, stain on them or something like that. He started off calling him Dr. Dirt and then we called him Commander Dirt. Then we called him Commander in Chief of All Dirt Forces because it just kept, because he kind of enjoyed it. Then we just called him Dirt at the end.

He was just dirt. It's like Phil Blackmore's nickname. Phil was 6'7 and weighed almost 300 pounds. And we just called him Big. You know, and because we're not that smart, we might not be able to remember anything else. But Brad Bryant, you know who else struggled on that is our good buddy Steve Pate. He struggled.

He'd spill everything on his clothes. Let's pick this up, Pearl. We'll continue this kind of fun conversation on the back nine. This is Golf with Jay Delson. Hi, this is Peter Jacobson and you're listening to Golf with Jay Delson. Hey, this is Jay Delson and this is the Gateway PGA Spotlight. I want to highlight this week the folks in town that have opportunities for you to work on your golf game when the weather's bad. CJ is over at Pro-Am Golf Centers and he has a simulator.

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His number is 314-647-8054 or you can visit him at ProAmGolfUSA.com. All right, so, John, we're talking about fashion, lack of, whatever. I can remember our buddy Steve Pate wearing a Tabasco, a shirt, and Scott Hoch wore a lot of this too, that had a bottle of Tabasco hot sauce on it. Remember that. Remember those? Those were really, really good looking. They're hard to forget actually.

Yeah, they're brutal. Well, the hard part with Pater is a couple guys had this issue, but the guys that like to chew out there, it was tough for them to keep. You know, just imagine you're out there playing, you're playing in the wind, you're chewing, you're focused on your game. You know, some of that chew, besides going down your chin, it's on your collar, it's on your pants, it's on your shoe.

It's on your caddy. Yeah, exactly. I'm sure Al loved that. But yeah, that had to be tough to hold it all together when you're chewing.

Yeah, and I mean, like I just played with Pater the first round of the Ascension Charity Classic last year. And as we're walking to the front, I mentioned to you, I go, look at him. He's got dip on the front of his shirt. He had dip on his hat. He had it all over his teeth. And that was, we hadn't even started.

I do remember that. And he's used to it and he doesn't care. Pater doesn't care about a whole heck of a lot other than making one more putt. But relative to clothing, attire, that kind of stuff, on more of a serious note, you've really seen, we've really seen a change in clothing that has really mattered to the game. That really matters, especially you guys out on tour. But even the weekend player, you know, anywhere, Jay, between the shoes nowadays to play in different kinds of weather, the rain gear, the wind gear, to play in hot weather. Talk a little bit about how much you've seen. Because back in the day, we played, we wore the same basic clothes no matter what the conditions were.

We just struggled through it. Yeah, there's no question. I mean, first of all, you started with the shoes. The shoes are much more like a tennis shoe or a sneaker.

They're super, super light. Not tremendously great on the support area, like maybe the older shoes might have been a little better. But, John, so much nicer and calmer and more comfortable on your feet. Those, some of those old wooden-soled shoes that we'd wear were fantastic until they got wet and the bottoms got soft. And then it was like, didn't it feel like the spikes would come right down through the bottom of your foot? Absolutely.

And speaking on that, how much different is it? Again, it's all these little things, but they matter when you're out there playing that much and you're doing it for a living. How much did the steel spikes versus soft spikes matter to you, Jay, as far as kind of comfort and being able to get, you know, to play all day and sometimes play two rounds or a round and a half if there's rain delays? Yeah, no, it was interesting because I never thought we'd get rid of the nails. I never thought, you and I talked about that.

Remember, I remember when you were in the heart of running your business, I said, Pearl, why don't we get into these soft spikes? This was before anybody was thinking about them, and for whatever reason, we decided they weren't going to make it. Well, let's talk about that for a second because what's interesting, and I'm sure at some point we said they weren't going to make it, but then if you remember, then there was 50 companies doing it. So now they're all just beating each other to death trying to make any kind of a margin. So yeah, there was a host of things, but there's no doubt.

There was a point where I said there's no way this will ever work. I was thinking the same thing, and I mean now I'd say 5% of the players are still wearing spikes. Yeah.

It's crazy. So the shoes changed a great deal. The lightness, the, gosh, what would you, they're so much more athletic.

You can be so much more of an athlete in the shoes nowadays compared to the stuff that we were wearing. And then if you start talking about the fabrics, John, and the clothes themselves, let's not even, we'll get to rain gear in a second, but we started talking about when we played, we had to iron our shirts. They were burlap cotton, hotter than hell. They didn't breathe. They were great when it was cold. They weren't worth a damn when it was hot. And let's face it, we played in 90% more hot weather than we did cold weather.

And when it rained, they got heavy as can be. So what we have now where this, it's some sort of blend of probably rayon, some sort of synthetic blend in the fabrics. But the pants are so much better.

Your yellow with blue dots on them were probably, didn't breathe a whole lot and move with you very well. But the stuff that we're wearing now, action wear, whatever they want to call them, are just a tremendously better product. Their shirts come right out of the dryer and right on and never need to be ironed, which is a gigantic bonus for the player. I remember our UCLA shirts, how excited we would be to get them.

And like you said, the rain would be one thing, but even a hot day, you start sweating. And that large would suddenly turn into a double XL and it could barely keep that thing from falling over the shoulders. It was just, you know, we didn't think anything of it because that's just the way it was back then.

But if you try to sell or convince somebody nowadays to try to play something like that, it wouldn't hardly be worth it. I can remember this with our UCLA clothes. I remember we'd all get in line to get our stuff. And I remember being right behind Pavin and Pavin walks up and the guy goes, what's your waist size?

What does Pavin say? 25. And I'm like, 25? I mean, I had that in fourth grade, Pearl, easy. And then his inseam, 25. What the hell?

Oh, my gosh. But I can remember getting mine. I was 34 and he's like, what's your inseam?

I'm like, I need them as long as you got. And then Pearl, they didn't have them long enough, so I didn't even have my pants hemmed at UCLA. I just wore them all the way down.

I didn't have any money either. That shouldn't surprise anybody, but that's kind of a fashion faux pas, right? You look very sharp in them.

I can remember that for sure. What other clothing? What else has changed?

What matters out there? Oh, my gosh. How about the umbrellas? The umbrellas, remember every time we had an umbrella and it would blow, the umbrella would go inside out right away.

Right away. How many times did that happen to you? And back in the day, the inside of those little spokes were all made of metal, John. And so they all broke and your umbrella was toast as soon as it went inside out. These gust buster type umbrellas now, it's amazing what they can stand up to.

And they can go inside out, outside, and they can turn around and you can still use them. So that was a big deal. But the rain gear, John, when Gore-Tex first came out, remember the stuff we had at UCLA?

It did not keep water out of anything. No, it was brutal. It was just heavy to carry. So were the umbrellas. The umbrellas back then probably weighed three times what an umbrella weighs now.

And when you're toting your bag all the time, and we're playing 36 whole days, that mattered. You got those shoes that each weighed about three and a half to four pounds, that's where the dew in them. Then the dew would come halfway up to your knees, sucked up by your pants and your socks. And then your shirt's getting all, if it's misty or you're sweating your shirt. I bet we could have taken, if we had rain gear on at any given day, taken all the clothes off at the end of a round where it was raining. And I would bet, I don't think I'm exaggerating, I bet you'd be looking at somewhere between 10 to 15 pounds that all that stuff would weigh that we were toting around on the golf course.

Oh, I don't doubt it. I mean, just the shoes alone, after they got wet and soggy, oh my gosh, they were like blocks. But yeah, the rain gear, the Gore-Tex, now there's this lightweight fabric that is water resistant and that has come a really, really long way.

If you haven't tried, you ought to check out these, it's called Stormtrooper by Puma. It's lightweight gear and it's really, really awesome and it keeps you dry. But everybody's got great stuff like that, Adidas, FootJoy, they've all morphed around, come around to the different side of the fence on this. What's interesting too, John, is we talk so much about the changes in technology just from ball and clubs, but all this other stuff has made a big difference as well. And I'll tell you the last thing that we never wore that is almost frightening, that all the kids are great about now, sunscreen.

Yeah, I was going to say sunglasses, but talk about sunscreen for a second. Well, the sunscreen, I'll never forget, John, I'll never forget Andy North, besides being a two-time U.S. Open champ and just an all-around great guy from Madison, Wisconsin. He was one, and he was a tall guy like I was, he was about my height and he kind of took me under his wing. We played a bunch of practice rounds and I didn't see him for about three weeks, four weeks.

And I said, you know, we obviously didn't have the internet, we didn't have cell phones, it wasn't like we were sending each other emails or texts. And I saw him and I said, Drew, what's going on? He said, Delce, you got to put sunscreen on.

Look what happened to me. And he pulls out, he had half of his ear cut off and a portion of his nose. He had skin cancer on them and had skin grafts and all this other stuff. And it freaked me out, Pearl. This is my rookie year and I put on sunscreen religiously every single day from that point on.

He had a part of his nose cut off. And, you know, obviously Andy is several years older than I am and been playing for years and years. But back in the day, John, until we started getting paid for it, we didn't wear hats. Yeah.

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That jingle can only mean one thing, Pearly. What is it? 19th hole.

I tried to tee you up. I love the 19th hole. 19th hole? Grab one. I thought you'd only pop a Michelob for me to tee me up for the 19th hole, so you threw me on that one.

I popped one for myself, so you're going to have to pop your own. Welcome to the 19th hole brought to you by our friends at Michelobultra. All right, so John, we are talking about the history of fashion and gear and how it's changed. We always talk about technology changes with the ball, the driver, the gear, meaning equipment. And we today have jumped into the changes in clothing, the changes in shoes, the changes in the different types of gear, meaning, you know, rain gear, things like that.

Big difference. So, John, at break, you were talking about squares, the shoes squares, weren't you? Yeah, when I watch the commercials, as you know, I watch a lot of golf. And when I see the commercials, and it's Patrick Harrington or Sir Nick Faldo, you know, you're supposed to say Sir Nick, Jay.

You're not supposed to call him Nick Faldo. So Sir Nick, then they're saying that their club head speed goes up, they're hitting the ball four yards, five yards further, whatever the heck it is, because of their shoes. How much do you buy into that? First of all, I bought into none of it, initially. Now, guess what I got sent to me three days, four days ago?

A pair of squares. Really? And I talked to, I ran into the VP, and he said, look at, there's technology, and there's data in this. Here's a pair of shoes, try them, and let me know what you think. Now, I've done a little bit of the research, and it's interesting, John, it is interesting about how, from a physiological standpoint, we load up, you know, through our feet.

I've always known that we transfer energy from the ground, use the ground to transfer energy, and there's data, and there's research behind us. Now, I've put the shoes on, and you know how jacked up my feet are. They are super comfortable, because they're a little wider, and they are way more supportive, John. We were just talking about foot care. So they're way more supportive, but I have not been outside yet to hit any.

But I will, I will definitely try them, and I will definitely give you a full report. But, you know, when Faldo, would you say his first name was Nick? Where? When Faldo, it just seems like Sir Nick straps his name to just about anything. And so, I don't know, if I'm just a little cynical on that, or maybe just a little cantankerous, I don't know. A little of both of them. Yeah, I'm going to, thanks, I'm going to check these shoes out for myself, and then I will give everybody a full report. You know what, I probably ought to do a little, I'll do a little thing on YouTube for them as well. And see what they're like, because as I'm preaching about these fittings, I'm getting fitted by CJ.

I am getting fitted by CJ at Pro-Am Golf. I'm definitely doing it. I definitely want to do that too. You and I have talked about that.

I'm totally a believer, I'm way behind in the technology, but I'm way behind in all that stuff, so I want to do it. It's past time. Yeah, we're ready.

So, when it comes to, I'm trying to think, John, of all of the other things that we take for granted, when I think about times like in our UCLA days and early tour days to now, I mean, first of all, the thing that comes to my mind is private travel, where so many of the guys travel privately now because the tour has been such a, oh gosh, everyone's made so much money playing the tour. The word I'm looking for is, I can't think of it, but anyway, it's making a lot of... Well, mime it out for me. Mime out the word for me a little bit so I can get this.

Oh, let's see. The word that keeps coming to mind is ludicrous, but it's not ludicrous. Extreme?

Extreme? Something like that. We're lucrative. Lucrative. Lucrative. Lucrative. I do want to get there. Wow.

See your moments at the same time. One more fashion question for you. What is your favorite attire to play golf in? Shorts. Shorts. Not PGA-approved shorts. You love playing in shorts.

Absolutely. So much more comfortable. Usually the weather's good. I love playing in shorts. And then just anything.

I don't really care. I always wear a hat now just to try to keep the sun off my eyes. Sunglasses are a gigantic thing, and it took me at least five years to get used to playing in sunglasses. But the dermatologists come out and the eye doctors come out and say, you do not need to be out in the sun without some sort of UV protection. Man, I can remember I'd hit every single shot fat for the first five years when I tried playing in sunglasses. It just distorted it just enough to where I wasn't comfortable at all. And I suppose it's like any glasses.

You've got to wear them for a while for your eyes to adjust. Who was one of the first guys that got out there? David Duvall. I remember David Duvall. Was he the first one that really pressed it? I think so. I think so.

I think David Duvall. You know, John, one of the other things that we don't talk about at all, but would have made a huge difference when we were in college and stuff now, is the rangefinder. Do you remember how we do? We'd have to try to triangulate around these lakes and guess and add a couple of yards here and there. My steps were always the longest on the team, so I always had the shortest yardage in. And I'm like, that's not a hundred yards. It's only 80.

They're like, we don't even listen to you because your steps are too long. But the rangefinder made a gigantic difference when you hadn't been to a golf course before. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Absolutely.

I'm trying to think of anything else like the green books. I got one. I got one though. Back to the tire a little bit because you wear it. What about golf gloves? I can remember loving them, but the materials changed so terribly much. They last so much longer. But as far as playability, what have you seen? So I only like, I'm spoiled. I love the Titleist Player's Club.

That's it. That's the only one I wore. I also have worn the Foot Joy glove. For whatever reason, all the other manufacturers, the medium larges didn't fit me that well.

The Titleist Player's Club fit me so well. It just was perfect size for my fingers and my hands. And I didn't need a bunch of the, you know, they call it like Technoflex, where they put some of the meshing in there to try to make the glove fit better. I just, those gloves, every time I put that glove on, John, a new glove on, it still feels like a treat.

Yeah, it kind of gets you in the mood. I do like that you're calling them Technoflex. I like those. I also like some of the newest materials. One, they last a heck of a lot longer. You know, back, you know, we keep referencing college days, but you get on a hot day or a rainy day, that glove had one round in it for the most part. Nowadays, I think the material, I'm not up on it like you are, but I like a lot of materials. And some of these things last for a long time. And you can play in any kind of weather, it still feels good.

The old glove, you get a little bit of rain, that puppy was slick as could be as well, so it really didn't help. So just across the board, there's just a lot of things that have changed with a tire from head to toe. Yeah, there's no doubt.

There's no doubt. And John, this goes with golf grips as well. The grips we used to put on our clubs. When I was paying for this stuff, I'd get a thick cord grip because it would last forever.

And I never had to change it. And the same with my glove. When I was paying for gloves, I'd get a thick glove that wouldn't wear out because those thin ones that felt so good would last a day.

Once I got them for free playing on the tour, I used the green victory grips, which I'd change every month, and I used some timeless players gloves because it fits like a glove was perfect for me. But that soft cabretta leather, oh man, it just felt great. That's awesome. Does that sound spoiled enough? I could, what else could I?

Listen, listen, if I haven't helped the listener through the years, I'll add another one here. The golfers on the tour, good guys, great guys, great players. Spoiled, unbelievably spoiled, playing great golf courses, getting everything. As you would always say, if it's free, get free. And you guys would always take free.

So yeah, it is a tough life in many aspects, but they are spoiled beyond spoiled in many aspects as well. Thanks, Earl. No comment, huh? That was cool, it was kind of tossing a grenade over there and blowing right up. No, I used to, it used to, I'd walk in the locker room, I'm just getting, I'll never forget, I was just getting to, I think it was the Honda Classic down in Fort Lauderdale. We pick up a brand new car, you know, and I listen to one of the players pitching, because there's not a full tank of gas in this car. You pick up a brand new car for free, tell everybody, you pick it up for free. Oh yeah, we get to drive it for the week, we get to drive it for the week.

It's unbelievable. Remember when I played in the PGA, Senior PGA Championship here in St. Louis in 2013? I got a Mercedes 550 to drive for the week, and they gave it to me for two weeks to drive it around. I'm like, you shouldn't have done that, you may not see this sucker again, we're going to take this thing all over the place. But I mean, the way that, John, one of the things that people don't know, is these tournaments are also giving away gifts now to the players to try to attract them to come to their field.

And we're not talking about like, oh here's a, you know, here's a fifth of scotch. We're talking about some sort of really cool remote control car, you know, that they drive around. They're talking about iPads, they're talking about all sorts of pricey, pricey gifts that people get for coming to the event. Well, there's a lot of competition, isn't there, to get these guys to come to different events. They talk about that a tiny bit on the TV, but for the most part, that's much behind the scenes, is how to get these guys to show up, because at the end of the day, it's a big deal in your draw on who shows up. The best way to get people to show up on the PGA Tour of Pearl is have a really good golf course in great shape. That's how to get people to show up. Well, that's awesome. That's a good thing. That's one reason Ascension is going to do so good for so long, because it was a great golf course and it's always in great shape.

Yep, yep, that's right. Well, hell, Pearl, that's going to wrap up another show. Man, that was a golf-fashioned extravaganza. We didn't think we could do it. We didn't think we could do it, of all people, but we managed to pull it off. We made it through another one. Meat, thanks for taking such good care of us, and we will be back next week with more of golf with Jay Delson. Hit them straight, St. Louis.