Ted Scott, Scotty Scheffler & Bubba Watson's Caddie-Sunday, -Golf With Jay Delsing

This is golf with Jay Delsingh. A two-time college All-American at UCLA. A participant in nearly 700 PGA Tour events.

Seven professional wins to his credit. Over 30 years of professional golf experience. This is Golf with Jay Delsingh. Hey, welcome to Golf with Jay Delsingh. I'm your host, Jay. And welcome to the show. I'm sitting down with my friend, longtime caddie, former All-American at UCLA.

Caddied over 100 events on the PGA Tour. Successful businessman. I can't believe you actually wrote a book too, Pearl.

Lover of the game, Pearlie. Welcome. Good morning. Good morning, Jay.

Glad to be here. Former All-American. Aren't you like president? If you're president, don't they always call you in? Are we always All-Americans? Should we be? I mean, we could be whatever we want. It's our show. Well, exactly.

They don't even know if we really were All-Americans, if we think about it. But anyway, good morning. Well, we got a lot to talk about. I have an interview with now three-time Masters champ caddie, Mr. Ted Scott, who's just a terrific human being. I know you got to listen to the interview. It's a fun interview, isn't it? It absolutely is. I'm so looking forward to talking about the details. And I'll tell you, I'd mentioned to you earlier, I have to acknowledge I got pretty emotional during the interview. I just respect the way this guy's living and the way he's proceeding forward with his life.

There was a lot more to it than caddie at Augusta. Anything done on your home inside the outside. You need to call Bob and Kathy down to you at Donahue painting and refinishing three one four eight zero five 21 32. I'm going to get Kathy out to my house and get her to help me with some, some color changes in a couple of rooms. My place is in desperate need of painting and they are first of all, terrific human beings. Second of all, they're experts at this stuff.

Three one four eight zero five 21 32. Not very often. At this point in our history, which I'm not sure we really have much history, but have we had someone on the show twice, but Mr. Ted Scott, he came back on. Well, thank goodness he did.

How timely on your on your, your part. But man, what a great story he's got to tell. And I'm thinking this could be the beginning of a lot of hearing a lot from him and old Scottie Scheffler. We talked about this a couple of shows ago, and we are wondering, is this just a really hot streak from a damn good player?

Or is this a new era? That's kind of starting on the PGA tour. And now that everywhere he goes, you know, Scottie Scheffler is going to get a bunch of attention. I'm not sure what to make out out of it. John, you could have argued the same with Jordan Spieth. You could have argued the same, even probably a little more vehemently with Rory McIlroy, and neither of those two has turned out to be this shatterer in terms of in a new superstar on the horizon.

What do you think about? Well, let me ask you a question, Jay, relative to that, because we have talked about a little bit. I'm obviously a big Scott Scheffler fan.

And the more I'm getting to know him, I'm only becoming a bigger fan. But what are some elements that you would point out that the true superstars have? And let's compare that to what Scottie's got or doesn't have? That's a really good question, john, because next week on the show, we got Tom Watson coming on next week, and you want to talk about eight time major champion 39 PGA Tour wins 77 worldwide wins from that gentleman and and spent over five years as the world number one ranked player in the world they have. First of all, there's no glaring holes in their golf game. And one of the things I wanted to point out to you about Scottie Scheffler's legwork, because you and I have always kind of scratched our head with us.

I recently watched and this is a bunny trail, we're going to hop down real quickly. But I recently watched the 30 for 30 Greg Norman show about his losses. And this most specifically, the 96 masters when he gave up a five or six shot lead to Nick Faldo. Gotti Scheffler's lower legwork and Greg Norman's lower legwork are so similar. Wow, I didn't know that that's that's a heck of a point. Well, Jay, you look at some other people's lower legwork, you know, who comes to mind, it's their feet are shuffling all over the place. You look at Justin Thomas, it doesn't have a foot necessarily touching the ground at impact.

That's exactly that's exactly who I wanted you to point out. So you know, this old theory of you know, plant your feet, have your heels planted here, have this leg planted there, that stuff's out the out the window with these guys. None of that seems to matter. I mean, it really doesn't matter if you look at what I mean, john, what matters is speed and some sort of level of control.

Clearly, you need to have some sort of level of control. But with Scottie Scheffler, the things that he does best are from 50, maybe 80 yards on it. So relative to what starts to denote or how do we start identifying superstars people to kind of keep it together for a long time.

No glaring holes, you pointed that out. Now you're pointing out short game. I don't think there's ever been a superstar that didn't have a phenomenal, phenomenal short game. I know there's a there's times where Nicholas was not thought of as much of a chipper or a pitcher, but he was always thought of as a phenomenal putter. So Scottie's got a phenomenal short game, top top, and no general holes. What else do you what else you thinking? Well, I think the most important thing and we kind of started all we kind of kind of scatter shot here like we do on the Gulf of j delsing show but john, mentally, he is absolutely super, super strong and competent.

And as we have seen, there have been situations where he could have folded like a lawn chair, and he rose to the occasion specifically, the third shot on the third hole at Augusta National on Sunday. Yeah, you think that's a huge shot? I certainly think it's a huge shot too.

Because let's let's take the drastic approach. And let's say it's a bad shot there. It makes both your double that would have been tough at that point. Really tough at that point. You know, had he hit it up there two feet and made par. That would have almost been as good as him having chipped it in. But my gosh, yeah, just phenomenal.

Okay, back back on task. What else do you see from the superstars that what trait other traits do they have the Scottie Scott or doesn't have, you know, john in the modern era, and I'll talk about the last 2520 years or so 2025 years or so. You'd say they have to be exceptionally long like Mickelson and tiger. Now, Scottie, I only got to back up that a little bit and say, Scottie is long enough. He is certainly long in our generational standards. I don't he would definitely not be considered a long hitter on the PGA Tour today. But he is more than competent in the length department.

So you can check that box. He is definitely a good iron player. He's a good iron player. But I don't think anything can hold a candle to a his mind and be his short game.

I think those are where he where he is going to hang his hat. Well, how about that ultra ultra competitor? Where does that fit in on the on the superstars? That's the my that's that's in the mental side these these guys. They don't give up on anything. They are uber competitive issues as you're speaking, and they just have the ability when they need it the most, or when their chips are down, so to speak.

They can pull rabbits out of their hats. And we've seen Tiger Woods do that on countless occasions. Phil Mickelson has done that innumerable times as well. And Scottie Scheffler points out if you break down Scottie Scheffler's final hole on Saturday with the ball that doesn't fade and get into the fairway on 18th got to take an unplayable lie the whole deal. And then his first couple tee shots on one and on three on Sunday. Do you think why his ball striking? Maybe that driver is going to be his Achilles heel. But you know what? He pitches that ball in for birdie at three, writes the ship and basically finds his way around this thing with with no drama whatsoever.

And Cameron Smith, I think was completely deflated at that point on number three. Oh, had to be absolutely had to be, you know, you're into your own game. You don't want to worry about what the other guy's doing. But by the same token, you're at one point thinking I might pick up 123 shots in this guy in this hole.

And next thing you know, he plops that puppy. And, you know, then then he's got that sense of, you know, I can't be beat. I can I can miss one or two shots and still make a birdie. And I'm playing Augusta National in the Masters.

That's a nice mindset to have for sure. Jay, what about his what about his his driver, though? Go on that a little bit longer. Okay, so he's in the upper echelon of distance, not the top but in the upper echelon. What about the shape? He seems to pretty much be a fader of the ball. Can you work the ball? Do you need to work the ball out into her now? off the tee? You know, john, I really don't think you do.

I really don't think you do. And for the guys for faders of the golf ball that that have trouble turning the ball from right to left a lot of times, john, you'll see them go down to their three wood, which is an easier club to hook a little bit. And they're not really dropping off dramatically distance wise three wood compared to their driver. I mean, it's not these bombs that are that occasionally touch 350. But you know, they're hitting that that three one out there between 275 and 300 yards as well.

And they're on par fives, they can turn it, they're still getting home and two on the par five. So it doesn't really matter that much. To your point, I totally agree with you there. So then I think another big picture and not picking on anybody, but it's the reality of the situation.

What about the longevity and the staying power? You know, what does it matter off the golf course, the family situation, how they're living that kind of stuff. And then the other big thing, which is one thing I think has gotten to Rory at least a little bit doesn't matter anymore. After you've won after you have more money than you can spend your kids can spend your grandkids can spend, how do they sustain the this still matters to me to where they're still going to work as hard so they can maintain that that leadership level of play. Yeah, and that's a great point.

We could probably do an entire show on that. Because think about it, as Roy keeps pursuing, he wants the career slam, he needs to get that Augusta win, which is really, really got to be difficult. And as he's doing this, he is amassing a fortune. And he's not winning all that much.

He wins maybe once a year, which still, it's so difficult to win on the PGA Tour, I shouldn't say he's not winning much. But to the way to the degree and to the level that he came out firing, you think, Well, gosh, this is going to be a different, you know, a different kind of player, the old things that used to motivate these guys, they change. And what happens is the greats are able to adjust and take that same tenacity and that same willpower and, and keep it going. And that is really something to be said. Now, to get back to what you said, how important is what happens to you, how you handle your life off the course, until Tiger, and then you can even use Tiger as an example on both ends of it.

You'd have thought that the stability in the family life was crucially important. You know, Tiger was going through some of the best golf we'd ever seen and not really doing what you'd expect, or at least what had been done by Jack Nicklaus and some of the other greats ahead of him in terms of family life and kind of being the that sort of citizen off the golf course. Now, when Tiger's stuff hits the fan, you see Tiger fall off and go into a cavern. And even more significant, John, than all of his positive stuff that Tiger's done is what happened to him because of the Thanksgiving Day 2009 incident, because it's left the big hole in his once in a lifetime resume.

I mean, john, he rewrites every single record book on the BGA Tour, if that doesn't happen, you know, I call it when I work with folks, the what matters. And you know, how can you I think there's quite an art to Okay, at some point, we're motivated by having enough money so we can have a house and a car and food. And then when that goes away, what's the next level of motivation the next level. So I think the common denominator might be more important is how personally competitive are they in I think, in talking to you and knowing you and being out there a little bit with the other guys. I think that the competitive juices that in many ways that we're kind of born with or develop awfully early, sustains us through these changes. So even though there's rocky, rocky places, there's plenty of guys that have had issues out there. Tigers is front page.

Granted, there's been plenty of challenges by different people. It's life. But maybe it's that that deep competitive juices that gets us over the hump continue to compete. I've got to do the tip of the cap and we've got to wrap up the on the range segment. The tip of the cap is brought to you by my buddies over at Dean team Volkswagen of Kirkwood Colin burnt 314-966-0303.

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He's a former foosball world champion. Let's go to Ted. I am sitting down this morning with my good buddy Ted Scott who now is a three-time Masters champion Ted. Thanks for joining me this morning. Absolutely Jay. I would do anything for you buddy.

You've always been good to me. First of all, the magnitude of what just happened with you and Scottie at Augusta. Let's talk about that first winning that championship three times.

Come on. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. I mean first to be able to work with players that are that good that are capable of doing it and then to actually be tagging along while they win is pretty spectacular.

So it's it's something that I never set out to be a caddy and here I am 22 years later surprises everybody else. The most important thing is but does Scottie know that you're the 1994 world foosball champion. Oh, yeah. That's my one thing.

I got to hang on to so I tell everybody that story is so good. So Ted, let's just go back through the week at Augusta a little bit because we have so much to unpack here. You guys wanted Phoenix you won at the match play which is a marathon people have no idea how much golf you guys played and what great golf you play there in his home date. But let's start at Augusta.

What is there? Was there any significant point in the first three days that stood out to you from your vantage point for Scottie? Obviously, it was good that Tiger was playing because you know, he was the newly crowned world number one Scottie and it pretty much took away.

I mean, there wasn't many people following us in the practice rounds wasn't people beating down his door to do interviews. So I think it felt a lot like a normal week even though he was three-time winner this year already and just became the number one golfer in the world. So I think that certainly helped and then you look at his record in the majors in a short two years on tour. He's a very high performer in the big tournaments and he was consistent at Augusta. I think you finished 19th and 18th the two previous years. So coming into the tournament with a lot of confidence got an incredible short game.

He's very, very smart, very golf smart. My thought was, man, we got a great chance to contend. You never know in this game, you know, you could I think Sam Burns was four under whipping us on every practice round four under on every nine holes.

We played I think we played about four or five times within that week and it was destroying us. I mean, he was a minimum of four under on every every nine holes. So, you know, it's you just never know in this game. But yeah, I thought we were going to have a probably have a good chance to compete.

And then you just don't know how the cards are going to fall after that. If we walk it back to the 18th tee on Saturday and you guys hit that hook over an 18 and got kind of on that grunky sort of lie with the unplayable almost still made par, which is remarkable. But and then the way that that Scottie started on Sunday was a little alarming to me because he had his ball going left quite a bit and I hadn't seen that much for him. Yeah, the shot on Saturday wasn't a left shot. The problem was his driver is kind of made to not really go to the left and the wind was blowing super hard left to right on that hole. And on Friday it was blowing super hard from the left as well. Hit the shot on Friday and the wind blew it over into the trees, gets up on Saturday and he goes, man, I'm just going to try to hold this against the wind. I think he probably sensed how much he would have to hold it because his driver is not really built to go that way. And he just slowed down and really tried to square it up to hold it against the wind and smother hooked it, you know. So that one really wasn't characteristic of the one on Sunday. Sunday I think was nerves. Probably had the best warm up session we've had since I've been working for him.

I mean, he couldn't miss. Super focused, super free. And then, you know, you get to that first tee and I slept on the lead a few few nights. So no doubt that the pressure was mounting.

I think the first few holes it was just trying to get through them and then settle into the nerves and start playing good golf. Tell our listeners, in your opinion, and this is, gosh, what is this, your 18th year on tour, 19th year on tour? Yeah, 22nd. 22nd. Gosh, I'm not good at math. Sorry.

So 22nd year on tour. Tell our listeners how important and what the value in your opinion is of a short game like Scottie Scheffler's. Yeah, well, it actually frees up a lot of things. You know, if you've been chipping putt well, you don't want to hit your irons as well. You don't feel the pressure to hit your irons so perfect. You know, you can knock it in the woods off the tee, punch it out, knock it near the pin and make it. So, you know, we saw some of that with Shane Lowry. It's got a great short game.

We saw that at Hilton Head. You know, he lost by one and was really struggling Sunday. So it certainly is important and it's often overlooked, you know. But the other thing that people don't realize is how much time Scottie spends on his short game.

You know, you can't just go to the chipping green once a week for 10 minutes and think, oh, I got it, you know, because you hit a couple of good chips. I mean, this guy's a relentless worker. He finds difficult lies and experiments and tries this and tries that and figures it out. So there's a lot of time and effort that goes into how good he is.

And Ted, I think that often gets overlooked, my friend. I think people are like, oh, he's just gifted. You know, I remember when I had the great Wizard of Oz, Ozzie Smith on, and we talked about how he kind of revolutionized the position of shortstop. And he talked about how hard he worked and how he was continually fielding ground balls.

And he was continually doing this and continually doing that. And it's the same way with the great golfers, isn't it? Yeah, it's like that story that I heard about Kobe Bryant.

I think he missed a free throw to win the game. And they said the next morning, you know, 2 a.m., that he asked somebody to open a gym and he was in there at 2 a.m. just shooting hundreds of free throws, you know, kind of bowing to never let that happen again. And that's the competitive drive of the great players in any sport.

They're willing to do that extra that maybe some people aren't really willing to do so. And Scottie certainly has that kind of drive. I mean, this guy just really wants to be prepared and wants to compete. And I've played a couple other things with him in a short period of time and he's crazy competitive. So I can see how easily it is for him to get out there and just get the work done.

I think he enjoys it. When I look back at what you guys did and what happened on Sunday, pitching the ball in on number three to me changed the entire complexion of what that championship was going to play out like. As soon as that went in, I was like, OK, here we go. So I wasn't panicking because obviously Scottie's great at match play, which is what it kind of felt like a little bit on Sunday. He only had about three or four guys that were really close and I didn't think he would go backwards.

I thought they would have to come catch him. You know, with Cameron burning the first two holes and narrowing the gap, you know, it's like, hey, we've got to fight. We've got to scratch.

We've got to call and keep fighting. And then when that happened, it's like, oh, boy, here we go. Now something good happened. It's almost like a fumble in the NFL and the other teams about the score.

You know, it turns the ball the other direction and you kind of go, oh, OK, this is different, different than what was happening. So, yeah, that was a huge moment. And then I think the point that he made on 11 after Cameron made his birdie putt, you know, we had a tough little part, but they're ahead by two was massive as well.

So on Sunday, those are the two biggest moments for sure. And then the 12th tee. I was almost shocked and I don't know why, because I know how diabolical that tee shot is, but I was almost shocked to watch what Cameron did. I really wasn't that surprised if he was aiming at the pin.

You know, you only know until he says he's aiming the pin or he's not even at the pin, but there really wasn't a lot of wind, Jake. So he just made a birdie to get within two. And you're trying to win the Masters. And that's something that I think a lot of people don't realize that you don't win the Masters by playing safe on every single hole. Sometimes you just have to go for it. Sometimes you have to stand there with a two iron in your hand on 15 and you're not sure if this is going over the land or in the water or on the green. And you just got to go for it and get the shot.

And if it's your time, it lands 20 feet and then you make the putt and you go on and make eagle and win the tournament. If I was Cameron's caddy and I don't know what he and Penner were saying, I was just trying to focus on our job. I would have been saying, hey, let's stuff it right here.

You know, let's win this thing and go for it. He just didn't make a great contact, kind of came out of it a little bit. And sometimes you come out of it on the wrong hole at the wrong time. And that was certainly the case there.

So, you know, that was unfortunate to our fortune. But at the same time, I mean, you know, there was Rory just close to the score and doing wonderful things. So, you know, it's just never over in Augusta. You know, on the background on Sunday is so exciting.

Ted, isn't it so true? I mean, I think about you guys up on the tee next on 12 and I was sitting there going, how far left is Scotty going to hit this next ball? Man, because I thought if it's myself, I'm thinking I might take this thing and hook it long left of the green. Yeah, for sure. That's what happened. And I was just saying, wait, stay out of the bushes.

Okay, that's a good start. When Cameron didn't make the good contact with his nine iron, did you guys know? And I'm not saying you're consciously thinking of this, but did you guys know that his ball was in the water?

You know how sometimes you can just tell? Yeah, I mean, as soon as he hit it, it was in the water. Like I said, there wasn't there wasn't much wind and the contact wasn't great. And the line it was on, it was like, okay, there's no way that can cover, you know, because even if you would have covered pin high on that line, it was still would have rolled back into the water.

So no chance, you know, right away, you'd be pretty much new. You can't focus on on what anybody else is doing. You know, I remember Scotty said to me on hole five after Cameron hit his tee shot. He said, I think he's between the bunkers. And I said, I don't care.

I don't care where he is. Let's just do our job. And whatever happens after that is going to happen, you know?

So it's really easy to get caught up in what everybody else is doing. But at the end of the day, you have to go out focus on what you can do, do it to the best of your ability. And if it's your time, it's your time. And Scotty did a great job of focusing every hole until 18 green. One of the things you just said, Ted, is so crucial. And I think the listeners will so enjoy this for you to be able to say to your man.

He's the best world number one ranked golfer in the country. And for you to say to him, don't worry about where his ball is. Let's just do our job.

That's incredible. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, these guys are incredible at golf, but it's the carrot is dangled and you want to look at it. You know how we are as human beings. So the temptation is always there.

Temptation to go forward on 12. And, you know, things like that. So you really have to have a lot of self-awareness. Recognize like, hey, what should you be doing?

Not what they should be doing or what happens here and there. I think you did such a good job a couple of weeks before in the match play that that probably helped him to go into Sunday's round being ahead and have the confidence. All right. This is kind of a mono and mono type of battle. And I just have to go play a solid round of golf.

And if they catch me, they catch me. I think that people don't realize how important some of the conversations and the timing of the conversations are once you're in the heat of the battle. And Ted, it looks like you and Scottie were like peanut butter and jelly, man. It looks like you guys have been together for 20 years out there. You're really getting along well. I mean, he's a fun person to be around.

For some reason, he's one of the few people that laughs at my dad jokes. So that helps me to keep telling them and that keeps the mood light. And, you know, when we decided to work together, that was one thing I told him.

I said, look, you know, I've been out there a long time. I don't want to go out there and just be miserable if I'm going to go back to work. I wanted to go out and enjoy it and just be grateful for the moment no matter what happened. Hey, man, you know, we're out here competing on Sunday at Augusta.

How fun is this? You know, if somebody beats us, man, that was pretty sweet that we got a chance to win. And maybe we can do it again, you know. And so that's kind of the attitude that we're trying to take. And I think it's such a great way to look at sport in general and just be grateful for the moment you're in and not get ahead of yourself.

And that helps you to perform at your highest. Take us to this scene on the 18th green. I mean, it can't be a whole heck of a lot more fun than having a five stroke lead coming up the 18th at Augusta Cannon. We were walking off a hole 17 and just said, hey, it's time for a speech, you know, and I asked him, I said, hey, you only get one chance in your life leading the 72nd hole at the Masters to swing like you mean it on the tee shot.

So let's go do that right now. And so he goes, you got it. And he made an awesome swing, you know, again, it's a tough tee shot because it's narrow and his driver drifts a little bit to the right. So he drifted just barely into the first cut there. And we had a little punch niner and had to kind of keep it low under the tree and wasn't sure if it'd get a flyer or not. So just, you know, say, hey, this is a little punch and hopefully it ends up on the green and went a little long. And it's like, OK, I don't know, like seven putts or something. I don't know how many putts we had.

So we got way ahead of ourselves for sure. Mostly him. You know, I was trying to tell him to lag it down there and knowing Scottie Scheffler, he's probably trying to make the first one. That's how he is, man.

He's just a competitor, you know? And then the second putt, we read it and he was focused and had a great putt and we misread it. We played it to go right and it didn't. It was a solid stroke for sure.

And he's such a great putter. And then the next one, I think he was putting the cart before the horse. So then we both we both had a laugh. I just said, look, man, if you're going to do this again, make sure that it ends up close to the hole. And he said, don't worry. So I'm going to make this one.

I said, perfect. So he focused and buried that one. And we had a good giggle over that. I was kind of wondering what he said to you when he missed the third one.

The look on his face was like, what's happening? You know what I mean? He asked me how many shots he had, like kind of joking me. And I said, then I'm not that good at math.

Just knock this one in. And if you don't get it close. So that was kind of the conversation. It was a little bit of seriousness and a lot of comedy.

And, you know, I knew he was going to make that next one. Isn't it interesting when we golfers lose our focus and take our minds off of our out of the mentality that got us into that good play? Golf is probably one of the hardest sports because of that exact reason. You know, you're out there for five hours, but you can't concentrate for five hours. So you have to get in and out of focus. And the other part that's difficult about golf is talking about 72 holes, which is overplayed over four days. And if you make one or focus, you know, swing and hit a ball out of bounds, you might lose the tournament by two shots. It really doesn't afford you at the highest level to play the game and lose focus.

So you really have to dial it in on each one. I don't really think it's a great idea to try to be focused all day long. Probably why majors are so hard to win because there's so much stress between shots. Your mind is just racing and running.

Very important that you could that you figure out a way to think about something else. Talk about something else and kind of relax your mind between shots, especially in the big ones. Don't you think the majors to just accentuate all your your errors or your mistakes?

I mean, even marginal, even really good shots get penalized heavily in majors. Yeah, the courses are already super difficult, so requires tremendous precision. Then you add crazy adrenaline and you're trying to do something with finesse. It's like I say, it's like playing that little game operation and you just ran, you know, a hundred yard dash.

So your hands are shaking and you're trying to get the wishbone out without touching the sides. Man, it's freaking hard. So it's just a tough, tough scenario. And that's why a lot of people just don't have the capabilities to win, even though they might have the game. They just don't have the mental capacity or the guts to pull it off. And I'm in admiration to stand there and watch Bubba and Scottie be able to do that.

It's very impressive. All right. That's going to wrap up the front night. But don't go anywhere. We'll have more of the Ted Scott interview on the back night.

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So, yeah, he's been very supportive and it's been nice to hear from him. Take us through a little bit about what it's like for you as you've just tapped in the winning putt on 18. So now we got to get the scorecard sign. And I know you got to get that flag off the 18 flagstick. You got to get that flag for you, because that's a huge memento and keepsake, isn't it?

Oh, yeah. And unfortunately, this year, I just I just took the whole flag itself with the pole and everything. I had a rental car and I said, I'm going to drive this thing home if they let me have the whole thing. So I took the whole thing and they let me have it.

I was like, so wait. So that was pretty fun. But yeah, you know, the first thing you want to do is make sure that the scorecard is right. And you don't want to be that guy that lost the Masters by one because you sign an incorrect scorecard. So we're going over it several times in there and playing it back to your head to make sure that it's right and asking the officials.

That's not right to you. And so, yeah, that was crazy. And then after that, we we did a few interviews and they had the winner ceremony. And it was really cool to sit with Scotty's family and Meredith's family, just wonderful people.

Salt of the Earth, credible folks. You can see why Scotty is so comfortable out there, because away from the game when it gets done, yes, it's a great support team from both sides, from his family and his wife's family. So that's that's even more impressive. You know, you probably remember that. It's even more impressive.

You know, you probably remember what his dad said to him after he won the match play tournament. And that's really who they are. So, so cool, Ted. So you're right in there in the mix now. Did you get to do many interviews and what is it like as a caddy who's just been who's just conquered Augusta with his man?

I did a few interviews. People are obviously excited for you, just like they are for Scotty. And it's a kind of a surreal moment.

You know, it really hasn't sunk in yet. And, you know, it's just people, people have questions and you go and you answer them for the best of your ability. And then after that, you go and celebrate with your team. And we just had a great time, great dinner that night. And then I got in a car and drove two hours, went to sleep, got up about five hours later and finished the drive and tried to answer about six or seven hundred texts that I ended up receiving. So it took me three or four days to do that. You know, I made a promise that I would return every single one of them and not ignore anybody because that's how grateful I am.

So it was a tiring week the next week, but well worth it. I'll do it again next year if you want me to talk to us a little bit about your family. They had to be so excited for you because I know this decision because I know you teach a lot of golf. You love the game.

I know you live in Lafayette, Louisiana, your wife and your daughter. And it wasn't a slam dunk, was it? We had an opportunity to caddy for another player after Boban. I split and it wasn't right in my heart. I really like the player. Great guy.

Great player. And I was like, I don't really know if I want to be away from home. And so I kind of decided with my wife and kids that I was just going to stay home and coach golf for a while and, you know, really soak it up. The family time. And then I got the call from Scottie.

And, you know, the first thing I did was I just went to my wife and kids and said, hey, look, here's the here's an opportunity. Here's who this guy is. Here's what he stands for. I don't y'all pray about it for a week.

We'll reconvene in a week and see what each person has to say. And my son went first. He's 11. And he said, Dad, I really feel like God's leading me to tell you that you should do it. And then my daughter, who's 15, said the same thing. And my wife said the same thing. I said, OK, perfect.

Let's pray for another week. So we did it for one more week and they came back with the same answers. And then I said, OK, well, now I can talk to Scottie about details. And I tried to make it difficult on him to hire me. And he was like, yeah, absolutely.

I'll accommodate you in that area, in this area. And I was like, oh, OK. That's when I kind of knew it was God's plan for me to go back to work. I had no idea what what it would be like, you know, what the road ahead was going to be like. But that really makes it exciting for my family to know that they were a huge part of the decision. Really, they made the decision. Honestly, I didn't even decide I was just going to let them have it. I think that gives them a sense of pride and that they you know, they were dedicated to the decision and to see where it's going.

It was really cool. Clearly, your faith is a huge part of who you are and what you do and the life you're living with your family. And that's super important to Scottie as well.

And that's one of the huge, I'll say, benefits and connecting tissues here. I really feel like his wife and his family have such a great perspective on things. And that goes along with how my wife and my kids, we all try to do life as well. So when you look at the whole group, you know, we're all trying to live for the Lord. And, you know, the Bible says to whom much is given, much is required. That's really been on our heart, my family to take this for granted and really try to use it for something else.

Not other than our our glory and our good, you know. So we're trying to use our time and our resources to help others with the gifts that we've been given. So it's it's really cool to see that Scottie's family and Meredith's family are on that same page. And, you know, it just makes it even more exciting about this whole team and partnership. Ted, it makes such a difference to have so much in the line. It just makes things so much simpler.

At the end of the day, Jay, having won the Masters as a caddy twice with Bama, realized that it doesn't change your life. You know, it changes your life in a way more people know you financially as you get some game popularity. But at the end of the day, your friends still have fights. Your wife and you still have fights.

Your kids argue. People get cancer. Things go on in your life that are difficult to deal with. You have to still live your life. So it kind of put it in perspective for me going into this one thinking, hey, you know what? It's not the end all be all.

It's not the most important thing. It's going to be really fun. I'm super pumped about it.

I'm excited about it. But at the end of the day, it's a golf. It's a game. It's entertainment. Love it.

I want to do it, but it's not going to change my life. Really, spending time with my friends, my family. That's the most important thing. And enjoying experience is like a chance to win the Masters. So super grateful to be a part of it. My favorite tournament in the world to attend. Caddy Inn to watch. Honestly, just humbled by the whole experience. Ted, who was the first caddy that you heard from this time around? Well, I would say it's probably Steve clean or, you know, one of the guys when I walked into the one of the guys, I walked into the caddy house there at Augusta.

You know, there's a few guys in there still. It's a whirlwind, man. I've returned so many phone calls and texts and I'm not very trivial.

I can barely remember what I had for breakfast yesterday. So not the best at answering that type of stuff. But, you know, I do remember seeing Steve clean and who's a local caddy that I stay with and pick his brain all week. And, you know, he was in there and he's always excited for me. So just a great dude. You know, there was a few other guys and Sam Penner, Cam Smith's caddy was in there and he was awesome, too. So there's just a really good fellowship of guys that were there and very supportive.

Tell the folks a little bit about that. Each week we go out there, even if we are best friends and we went to college together, play junior golf together, whatever, we're going to come to the 18th hole tied. We're trying to beat each other's brains in, man, and we're trying to win this championship. We don't want to hurt anybody physically, but we don't mind beating somebody pretty badly on the golf course. But there's a real true camaraderie and brotherhood on the PGA Tour between the players and the caddies, isn't there? Yeah, I think at the end of the day, you have respect for one another because you know how hard it is, one, to be on that stage and then two, to compete at that level. I love to watch the UFC and you see leading up to the fight, two guys bickering and saying bad things about their families and stuff. But at the end of the day, once the fight's over, they have a lot of respect for one another because you've laid it all out and you've went on.

One person won, one person lost. But the respect is there. And that's something that I think is really cool about the PGA Tour, you know, is that at the end of the day, of course, you want to beat everybody.

But you can certainly, it's a gentleman's game, you can look them in the eyes and congratulate them when they beat you and say, hey man, I'm really happy for you, but next time I'm coming for you. You know, we'll just make this a regular thing. Every time you're hoisting something, we'll just call and get your thoughts. Sounds like fun, man.

Talk to you next Monday. No, I'm just kidding. That's awesome. Okay, Pearly, you get first shot here. We're going to wrap up the back nine here, but I want to hear a couple of your first takes from the Ted Scott interview. Just the solid guy that he is. I mean, and what a fit for him, his family, Scottie Scheffler and his family. What a fit. I just, that story was so much fun on the time they took, the patience they took to make sure that they had a fit, and boy is it paying off. There's a calmness, there's a peace, there's some sort of contentment, an incredible difference for caddy life from now until back in the day when we're out. Oh, absolutely. You know, that starts popping into my brain on several occasions, but just that, you know, a caddy that's raising a family has got the choice of not wanting a caddy anymore. And, you know, go be a local coach, which is, you know, generally a huge cut in pay. But that's how much they're making, and the fact that he was on Bubba's Bag and they were so successful for so many years.

Yeah, it's just a completely different lifestyle across the board. You know, where does his piece come from? Well, I think we know where it comes from. I thought he, I think he kind of presented that very well, and just kind of keeping his values in order on decisions he makes, who he works with, who he works for, his team.

I think that's where the piece comes from, and it was just wonderful to hear that, and I think it's a great reflection on our sport. Bubba Watson and Ted got together, and they were like, what's this future going to look like? What do you need?

What do I need? And Bubba said to Ted, he's like, man, I just don't know how much more I have. You know, I think Bubba's in his early 40s, and Bubba said to Ted, Ted, what do you want?

What do you need? And Ted said, man, I'd love, you know, if it works out, I'd love another 10 years. I could do a solid retirement for my family with that sort of, with the success that we'd have and that sort of money. Bubba's like, man, I can't, there's no way I can commit to 10 more years.

There's no way. And so they amiably agreed to part ways, which, you know, John, that doesn't happen very often on the PGA Tour. That's pretty classy. That's pretty classy. Jay, that doesn't happen in life, right?

Business-wise, general business-wise, family, any relationships, that's first rate, that's classy. And listen, we were talking earlier in the show about what makes superstars superstars. That's part of it.

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Hey, welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delson. Pearly is with me. I'm your host, Jay. We are going to the Michelob Ultra 19th hole.

Pearl, go ahead, open one. Alright, so we want to thank our folks at Michelob Ultra. We have an exciting announcement coming in a couple weeks about a new official sponsor, an official 19th hole of the Golf with Jay Delson show, but stay tuned for that. John, let's talk a little bit more about the Ted Scott interview. I was fascinated, and John, when I was working for Fox, I was one of the ground soldiers. I was out on the course walking with groups. Any time a player and a caddy would start talking, and we had a microphone close enough to pick up anything, we were always told to lay out because they considered those conversations TV gold.

What stood out in your mind about some of those conversations? Well, in the fourth round, fifth hole, Scottie commented to his caddy, Ted, hey, I think Cameron's ball has gone someplace over by the bunkers, and Ted, the caddy, to his credit, immediately shot back, let's not worry about where his ball goes. We're just going to, in essence, follow where ours goes. So I just wanted to talk about the dynamic that you understood as well from the interview and other things on the golf course and how important you think that is and the caddy's job to maybe get the player refocused or stay focused or back on track. That's a great point because I wanted to bring that up as well because the player and the caddy, and you and I did this, oh, my gosh, numerous times. We had a plan. One of the things that you were great about is keeping us on that plan, meaning here's what we're going to do. Here's how we're going to play this hole. Within the plan, there were opportunities to make some modifications, but for the most part, here's how we're going to attack the golf course. Here's what we're going to commit to do, and here's what we're going to do. There are so many options when you're out there playing, John.

Maybe you're playing partner's ball, going into a hazard or going out of bounds, and as you're keeping score from here in charge of protecting the field to make sure things are done right, how much energy do you spend there? We could talk about this again probably the entire length of another show. First of all, it's important to have that conversation ahead of time so that when the caddy, when it's you or it's Ted Scott or when it's anyone, when the caddy brings that back up, it is just a real quick correction and you're back on track.

It's not like a shocking thing that catches him off guard or catches him by surprise. Absolutely, and we're out there so long. Sometimes, and I don't know how often people kind of clue into this, I think golf, and you agree, golf should be played about 3 hours and 20 minutes, 3 hours and 30 minutes.

Often on tour, you're out there for every bit of 5 hours plus, let alone if there's any rain or weather type of delays. So the whole effort to get back on task, and I love what Ted talked about as well, is you can't really be intense concentrating for 5 straight hours. You've got to kind of come in and out, in and out of the conversation, in and out of the concentration, in and out of the focus, and that's a tough thing to do because, man, can it get squirrelly in between. You can get a ruling that's upsetting. You can get another player that's upsetting. You can have some weird ruckus in the crowd that gets you distracted or gets, you know, someone says something to you about your family. There's a lot that can, you know, upset the apple cart. There absolutely is.

You know, it's interesting. Part of that whole caddy job is, and the player's job, is to expect the unexpected. Just promise yourself that no matter what, and it's great to go through the scenarios that could happen, but even if we go through a whole bunch of scenarios of things that could happen to be prepared for, there's still even more things that could happen. You know, I work with my 8-year-old grandson and 15-year-old grandson talking about soccer.

I know nothing about soccer except that I know you've got to be prepared for anything. How do you keep from getting pulled off of your game, off of the game plan? How do you keep from losing that focus and let somebody else interrupt your concentration? And that's just immensely important when we're playing, let alone the competition, because what's harder, Jay, when you see a guy hit it in the trees, chip it out, thinking he's going to make bogey, maybe double, and ends up making a birdie? That's why if we're not focused on our game and we let our mind wander, then all of a sudden we can be completely shocked in a situation where we just can't believe that this just happened. At best, we have control of our own game, so let's keep our mind and our thoughts off of the other guy's game.

That interaction, though, is just crucial. And you know, John, sometimes the best thing said is nothing at all, and you change the subject and you go on to your banter. I know some of the most fun conversations we've had since I've known you is talking about sports or talking about this or talking about that while we're out there trying to kill the five-plus hours, as you said.

Absolutely. The number of times my sisters would call after I was catting for you and just say, what were you guys laughing so hard about out there? And I'm thinking, I don't even remember laughing or not laughing or whatever, but we had a pretty good time in between. You were not the type that was going to overly grind away between shots. There are certainly some times in holes, nine holes that were more intense than the others, but you always did a pretty good job of keeping things loose. We might have had the problem with actually focusing when the shot was on more so than over-focusing.

We could have been under-focussers. When I played my best golf, John, it was in and out. It was a spurt of concentration, and then this relaxation mode tried to get – I mean, literally, I can recall that when I could hear the birds chirping and the birds singing, realize that I'm playing out on the PGA Tour and this has been a lifelong dream of mine and it's happening, there was some sense of gratitude and how fortunate things have worked out for me to be there. Well, that's what Ted talked about when he made the transition away from Bubba, when Bubba couldn't commit to the long-term situation. He really talked about what does he want going forward.

And when he sat down and had that conversation with Scottie to see if their perspectives, their values, their worlds aligned, I just thought that was absolutely fantastic. You know, I'm fortunate enough to work with business people, and so often when the joy is gone, the grind is there, the fear creeps up is because we've lost our way relative to are we enjoying what we're doing? Does this align with our values?

Yes, we have to make money, that kind of thing, but there's lots of ways to make money. We have to make sure that these other tangibles align. And of all the conversation that you had with Ted, that was probably the part that hit home most for me and that those two guys could come together and the families could come together was absolutely just the best part of the interview because that can be applied as we often talk to any part of anybody's life. That's what we're all after.

Gosh, I think this is going to wrap up another show. We've got to announce my man Steve Vinson. Congratulations, you own a dozen TP5 golf balls. Hey, thanks for being with me this week. The Ted Scott interview was absolutely fantastic, and we will have a blast with Tom Watson next week.

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