Cary Cozby Southern Hill Director Of Golf/Tiger Caddie For A Day--Golf With Jay Delsing

This is golf with Jay Delsingh. A two-time college All-American at UCLA. A participant in nearly 700 PGA Tour events.

Seven professional wins to his credit. Over 30 years of professional golf experience. This is Golf with Jay Delsingh. Hey, good morning. This is Golf with Jay Delsingh.

I'm your host, Jay. I'm sitting next to my buddy, Caddy, business associate, business owner, author, and also the cherry on your resume is to get the Caddy for me a hundred times on the PGA Tour or so. Who's counting?

Exactly. I tell you, the way my feet hurt, I feel like we were out there for 20,000 events. Anyway, we formatted a show like Around the Golf, and the first segment's called the On the Range segment, and it's brought to you by TaylorMade Golf. Man, Jeff, thanks so much for the golf balls. Each week we are giving away a dozen TP5 TaylorMade golf balls. Send me an email, jatjdelsinghgolf.com, and you'll be entered.

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They will help beautify the inside or the outside of your home, so give them a call, 314-805-2132. All right, so, John, I got an interview this week with Kerry Crosby. He is the director of golf at Southern Hills in Tulsa.

Why is that important? Because next week, next Sunday, we'll be crowning a PGA champion, and you know who we have on the show next Sunday, John, is Alan Shipnuck. Alan is the author of the Phil book. I got a copy of the Phil book.

It's awesome. He's on the show next week. We are going to be on the cutting edge of some of this Phil stuff, and man, is it interesting.

But that's for next week. Kerry also got to caddy. Kerry and his son Banks got to caddy for Tiger Woods. Tiger came down for kind of a sneak peek practice for a couple of weeks. He was in the first round before the PGA championship. Yeah, pretty cool stuff. Well, interesting name for his son, Banks.

I'm looking forward to everybody listening to the interview, and what an experience. Father-son caddying for Tiger and Tiger's buddy before a major. Hey, I'm not remembering. When you and I went down and played in the Transmists down in Oklahoma City.

Oh, different golf course. Yeah, yeah. I couldn't remember. How about that fishing trip? We had a couple of afternoons of fishing. We caught some big fish. A couple of times, and we were down there with your brother because he was caddying for you. So no matter what we're doing, it's been a little bit more interesting. We had a lot of fun, didn't we?

I can. I'll never forget this. We're walking through. What do we play for Oklahoma City Country Club, I think, and there was in the height of the oil boom, and there were more Rolls Royces going around there. My brother, about the third day, he said, bro, you're going to carry the bag today. Go. What are you going to do? He goes, I'm going to throw myself in front of these one of these Rolls Royces, and we're going to nickname this place.

Delson Country Club. And I'm like, that's a good idea, bro. Go ahead.

Go for it. And John, so we started talking in the Watson interview about helping folks with their parts of their game a little bit. Let's talk about their iron game. We talked about the putting. We talked about chipping, pitching, and some of the wedge game. That iron game, John, for the most part, getting your body stacked, feet, knees, hips, shoulders on top of each other, especially the shoulders. Crucially important, but that ball position, folks, to our middle to short irons. Make sure that ball position is somewhere back towards the middle of your stance.

That is so crucial. Why is that, Jay? Why is it important that it's somewhere in the middle? Because we need to get hitting down on that ball, John, and we need to catch it in the right part of the circle that we're creating with our swing. And as it gets too for our right-handed golfers, as it gets too far forward towards your left foot, it hits it at the wrong part in the arc of that circle.

Those irons need to be hit down on. That type of play. What do you see when you played all those pro-ams with the amateurs?

What did you see? Ball position was one thing. What's another thing that stands out, Jay? The biggest thing, Pearl, is their shoulder alignment. Their forearms and their shoulders. Their shoulders are usually so far open to their line, meaning their right forearm is higher than their left, and their shoulders are not stacked on top. They're on top of their hips anatomically, but they're not in line. So we want your left hip and your left shoulder stacked right on top of each other, not that left shoulder being kind of behind it or more open. Now, Jay, how often does that align with your previous point for folks to think about? When that ball gets too far forward, isn't that when those shoulders get out of alignment?

Exactly, Pearl. They go hand in hand. Is it the chicken or the egg?

It doesn't matter. We've got to get both of those in control. We've got to get the ball position in the middle of your stance, and we've got to get that open, that lead shoulder for right-handed golfers at your left shoulder. For left-handed golfers at your right shoulder, it's the opposite. You've got to get that shoulder stacked up on top of that left hip. Talk, Jay, about the contact that we're looking for.

You hear him on tour, on the commentators, talking about guys that are pickers. Ultimately, where do you believe you want to be hitting the ground relative to the ball? Right, that's a great point. The other thing is, once you get this thing stacked up, let's say you're just hitting a six iron, so it's going to be the dead center of your stance. We want your hands in relation to that ball position to be in front of that ball.

What that will help with, Pearl, is this next idea that you're talking about. We want ball, club contact, and then a slight little divot. It doesn't have to be a big divot.

It can be, as you said, some people are what they consider pickers, where they just leave a little scratch mark. That's absolutely fine. Other people take a bigger divot.

That's fine. We want the divot happening in front of the ball. It happens naturally when the ball's in the right place at your stance. Folks, get your body stacked. Wrapping this up, get your feet, knees, hips, and shoulders stacked on each other. Make sure your right forearm and your left forearm are level so that one is not way above or below the other. Then get that ball position more towards the middle of your stance so your hands can be in front of it so you can get good, solid contact. If you have any idea or you get confused, go to jdelsongolf.com, and I can show you, or you can YouTube anything and look at ball position for some of the great players.

I was just looking at Rory's swing the other day, Pearl. Just absolutely gorgeous the way he moves through the ball, and his setup was perfect. Well, I think you'll notice that the best ball strikers in history, with few exceptions, do have a phenomenal setup. If nothing else, if it's not phenomenal, it's consistent so that they can play certain shots.

I think that's a huge piece. Well, hopefully that helps folks quite a bit because that's so important. And the other thing you are always bringing up is that they hit enough club. I'm actually working on that. The little bit I've got on the course because of the weather, I've determined to have hit my ball to or past the hole. I've been well short much of the last several years that I've played, and you're always feeling like I'm playing catch up.

So hit enough club so that you're not having to over exert yourself and lose your lose your field. Absolutely. We are going to go to the tip of the cap. The tip of the cap segment is brought to you by my buddy Colin Burt 3149660303. He is the general manager over at Dean team Volkswagen of Kirkwood. Pearly's got a vehicle from Colin. I've got a vehicle from Colin, my sister, my daughter Joe had a vehicle from Colin. And I know some of the listeners have gone over and joined some of that if you can't reach Colin J at J Delson golf.com.

I'll personally introduce you to Colin. I'm tipping my cap Pearl to the PGA Tour. I like the fact that they denied access to the live event at this part in my life and this stage of my life and with the Saudi Arabia money and all of the contacts and some of the their treatment of human being some of the stances that they've taken even more in the in the PGA Tour court than I ever was before. I look forward to dig into that subject matter because I know you're passionate about it.

We'll talk about that a little bit on the 19th hole but that's the tip of the cap. It's brought to you by Dean team Volkswagen of Kirkwood 3149660303. Give Colin a call. He's a terrific guy. All right, Pearl, that's going to wrap up the on the range segment but don't go anywhere. We will be back with my interview with Gary Cosby on the front nine.

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Don't forget about the advocate PGA, that's going to be a Glen echo that week, lot of great golf happening in St. Louis we appreciate the support of the Ascension, and we look forward to being a part of that event, let's just jump right to my interview with Kerry Cosby he is the director of golf at Southern hills, the host of this year's 2022 PGA Championship, I hope you enjoy that interview, Kerry Good morning, how you doing this morning, I'm doing great Jay Good to be with you, you are the director of the golf at the prestigious Southern hills golf club Tulsa Oklahoma man, first of all congratulations on the gig I know you're seven years in, and being a kid from Oklahoma that's just got to mean the world to you to be where you are, it really does mean southern hills is obviously the place in the game with its with its golf and championship history but but I grew up in Bartlesville just north of here about 45 minutes to an hour and home of Phillips petroleum Phillips 66 is what most people know Barnes will form actually grew up at a Hillcrest Perry Maxwell golf course as well but southern hills championship pedigree and to be a kid from Oklahoma my first time to ever attend a professional golf tournament a major championship and my first time on southern hills all happened at the same time, the whole moment for me as a young guy, you still remember the players that you saw in the smells and I was able to get the autographs or the during the practice rounds in my program with Arnold Palmer jack Nicklaus Lee Trevino had 20 other names on there which is, which is really cool and, and I had a, they served cups or they serve cokes and plastic cups and this one has the US Open logo but also had the had every winner of the US Open from 1895 to 1976 and at that age by the time you know, a month after attending I had every I had every winner memorized, and I don't know, I've gotten pretty close on some of them but back in the older days I've kind of forgotten, I really was impressed I think by Willie Anderson you know with my with all his wins like I got one of funds you know, it really left an impression on me as just as a young guy and a golfer and growing up in a golf family my dad was a PGA longtime member passed away recently about a year and a half ago and so southern hills is special so it's, I'll say this even as a Dodger fan, you know this is kind of the New York Yankees job for me. It's, it's really really special to drive in the, in the gates here every day and take care of a great membership and be part of small part of this first of all, I want you to talk about the very first time if you remember where the golf bug bit you but I'd be remiss if we didn't just jump right into your dad and his legacy your dad very 41 years at Hillcrest and I mean tell us a little bit about that life growing up. I don't realize I think sometimes how cool something is when you're growing up you know I was growing up in town of 35 40,000 people in Bartisville, Oklahoma and you know the bigger totally cooler places to grow up and sometimes you think about those but you look back and if anybody's ever been to bars it was a very unique town with the Phillips petroleum influence there in the town so vastly different but I'd back up even further my dad was an assistant professional at Oak Hills in San Antonio I bet you play the Texas open oh I sure did is terrific, and old filling has golf course my dad was an assistant for Hardy louder milk who is the national pro year in 1968 year I was born, great mentor to a lot of PGA professionals around the, around the country, Randy Smith, David a lot of these guys worked my dad they all work for Hardy, and I was born in the rain on the hospital that butted up to the range you remember that I do there, that's I was born in the hospital, and the only thing out there at that time was the golf course in the hospital by the I would would take a cart over to meet my mom for her appointments when I was she was praying with me and so golf family, and we just when I was pretty much a baby my parents moved to Bartisville, we got that position, my brothers two brothers, two brothers I'm the oldest of three and we're about you know basically three years apart, we all played other sports to to is, you know, it was a, it was a good time back then where you weren't specializing in, you know, better for your development physically and I played football, basketball, baseball, and always played golf and we were around it we worked, you know, picking the range and cleaning clubs and cards and weeding and doing all kinds of stuff we were just the club mascot, you know, for, for a lot of the membership and they were they were so incredibly gracious and I'd say this I, I've worked at four clubs, so Hillcrest where I grew up, I had an assistant's job at oak tree golf club and admin. After I tried, I tried to play for a few years and I worked here at southern hills for five years as an assistant and in Wichita country club is the head professional for almost 15 years and then back to southern hills and the way I've been treated at all four of those places and my family has been treated it's just it's just remarkable, and I'm thankful for for people that just make our life better. And you know we try to take care of on a daily basis, but it's been I've been blessed to be at four awesome clubs and thankful for that but our upbringing is really cool. We, we, like I said we play golf all the time Davis, that was a pro and he gave lesson, he was a great teacher and a great player and a great merchandiser and one of the things that that really stuck out to me is he treated every single person to walk through the door.

Great. I mean didn't he had, you know, they're, they're friends my parents were friends with people at the club that they did things outside of the club socially, and of course and anybody walked through the door if you if you play golf or you remember that club or you just love golf, you're automatically a friend of his, and, and I'm the same way so you know I don't, I don't care how somebody plays but if you just dig the game, you're a junkie and you love it. We're buddies immediately without having to even talk about it, and that's one of the things I love about southern hills you know when somebody gets in here, they want to, they want to play golf, and that's that's one of the neat things about the club is that it's, it's a golfing membership just happens to be a country club but it's, but it is, it is a golfing membership and they love it and love the game love the history of the game and, and so I those things like that really stick out to me. I'm visiting with Terry Cosby here, the director of golf at southern hills which is going to host the 2022 PGA Championship and, and I'm sorry to hear about your data I still miss my dad, every day and he's been gone. Every day. You're talking about this new project underway at Hillcrest in honor of your dad, the Cosby Learning Center talk a little bit about that that's gonna feel good.

Well hey I'm impressed you've done your homework Jay. Nice. Hillcrest. My dad passed away some guys the club that he taught for years and years and years, they, they had the idea to build a golf performance center, you know, teaching facility for the professional staff there the members of the club, it was really humbling to watch these guys work because year from his passing the exact day, our South Central section, they had a groundbreaking or they had an event at Hillcrest and then the club had a groundbreaking ceremony, one year from the day and it wasn't like hey we've got plans of money and we hope you can still in a couple years, they had all the money raised, they had the plan and they were, they had utilities in the ground and footing for being poured, when we did the groundbreaking, everything has been funded everything is being delivered for the membership there's you know they had a few hurdles with supply and some of those things but knowing how much my dad he was a, he was a true club professional and the fact that he valued all the assets we that we were as, as PJ members but he never lost sight of playing and teaching, you're a better instructor you're a better golf professional if you still play golf and you love to play golf because you can empathize, you know that the pain this game can bring to us all. And so if you're out there with him doing it and it's just the relationship side of things but he would look down at this and go this is the coolest saying ever and just be over the moon with excitement. They're going to fill some of the inside areas with with some pictures of his era, so speak at the club and it's really special for our family for my mom is still in Bartlesville my brothers and I were scattered around the country now but to have that it's like I said it's, it was such a special place to us for them to honor him like that is really just crazy, really neat, it's one thing to have this history it's another thing to have your mother, be able to meet you someplace and go, this is an honor, you know your husband my dad what the heck, they're building it right on top of where the lesson to buy the images I have of walking from the parking lot down to the kind of the golf area of the club. The first part of green grass you saw was the lesson tea, and I can't tell you how many times I walk, what made that walk, and I'd see him there leaning on the club and bucket hat on and helping a guy, and like most great instructors like you know if you're fully immersed in it, and you're like asking questions and you're ready to go. He'd sit out there and work with you all day.

Those, those are the students that you want right not the ones that argue and I can't do that or that's not right or whatever like yeah this is not going anywhere but the ones that are like just fully. Let's get going with it, he would be all over so that to see a building like this it's going to help their, their programming there and juniors and all that stuff I mean it's just going to be a really special addition to what Hillcrest does and they've got a great golf professional john ron, he's a local guy group, you know 60 miles to the west in Ponca City and he's going to be carrying on the tradition and the legacy there it's gonna be it's gonna be a neat neat asset to the club and it's a great asset to any club to have that because you can keep golf going year round and keep growing the game and that's that's what's fun. A couple of things to point out what sort of professional your dad was me he worked at Hillcrest for exactly 41 years, exactly 41 years to the day to the day.

Yeah. And then in 1985 and this is super cool in 1985 he was awarded the PGA professional of the year. And in 2016, you were awarded PGA professional year and you guys are the only two father son in the history of PGA to ever accomplish this where we are today to share that with him in 2016 was, it's really more special now maybe less than it was then just because I remember the phone call he received from the president of the PGA 1985 as PGA kids we knew that was a big deal, my youngest brother chance he couldn't quite understand how he beat out jack Nicholas but we he was he was only nine at the time so we explained it to him but Craig and I understood what a significant recognition that was for our dad and we were biased of course, he did a great job. So when I got the phone call in 2016 and just you'll you'll love this, I just picked up my son banks, and we stopped at the local quick trip, which is every mile and Tulsa, to just grab a bottle of water because it was a coke or something just really hot and I got a call from the president of PGA that and so I was sitting with my son, when I got that call to I wasn't at work I wasn't somewhere else and so you look back on that and to share that evening where they do all the special awards for the for the PGA and have my parents there have my brothers and their families my family of course, all in tenants with a lot of members and some friends to that that made the way to New York City for that really really special my dad actually Dave Mar brought my dad up on stage after I had my little interview with him and he got the standing ovation as as very well deserved but it's a tough to put that in words how special that was carry when you can put your name in the record books and something like that that's never been done the first one down the path it's super special it's, you know, especially now as time's gone by and, and he's not with us so it's he you know he's with us but you don't mean by that, Carrie let's talk a little bit about southern hills, I mean, 1935 was when it was kind of created land was donated by weight Phillips part of that same Phillips petroleum family, great history the club itself opened a year later in 1936 and the major championships and stuff. Tell us a little bit about folks don't realize what a big deal it is to get this championship done you guys had the 2021 senior PGA championship at southern hills last year that you got to play in, but there's just a lot of time and work and effort and energy that goes in by a lot of people, there is a army of people that are finished in the build out of everything and, and they've been there since February 1 so it's, it's a massive undertaking the, the former golf pressure Olympic Club, now moving to answer the catch club in Atlanta just stopped it this morning we toured the property he was just like, get me. So, I bet there's four or 500 extra people on property right now they're working that are not members of the southern hill staff, I want to say it's 4000 volunteers, you know, for the week to make all that happen plus the plus our PGA of America staff, plus the PGA of America staff, it's a big big undertaking in clubs got a history of major championships. This will be our eight professional major we had personally we have is the 1958 US Open in 1958, so we're the first club to ever have five PGA's and we've had three us opens but we've also had women's and we have the US women's am in 2024 so be our second women's and we've had the men's am twice that senior and we've had the women's man the very the inaugural women's medium, we've had a great championship golf pedigree, big ones like this or they're going to, on average, you know, happen every 10 to 12 years so it's a, it's certainly an inconvenience to a lot of our membership but they they supported they understand what it does for the city of Tulsa, saying about $150 million impact to the city, hotel rooms and restaurants and all the things that are coming into this. But just putting it all together, when they decided to pull it from Trump Bedminster in New Jersey, hope I'm not speaking out term I think I heard 30 clubs that approach PGA of America and threw their hat in the ring, what we had going for us was we already had an agreement that we were going to host 2021 senior PGA and then not to exceed the 2030 PGA and it looked like it was going to be 2030 so you know nine years after the senior, this is a little bit about the membership of Southern Hills. So the morning after that all happens they decided they're going to move it our GM next to Dorcas and kind of a three main committee tournament tradition committee those guys they rallied the rest of their group, and we got every, every member who's chairing a committee for the pj there's, I don't have any other 25 of them writers, tons of them, they all agreed to be do this handle the same committee for the 22 PGA that they're handed from 21 senior see 60% of a normal PGA corporate kind of hospitality that's generated we had that done by noon, so we were, we had. We went to the membership or went to the PGA with committees in place, corporate hospitality and all that stuff in place, we already had a relationship with the, with the city going on with fire and police and think we made a pretty compelling argument obviously we were successful in doing so but they love the game of golf and they want it, they love the city as to we're very biased about the city.

Now it's a vastly different town so it's gonna be a fun week, you know, talk a little bit about what's happening to the property itself. I mean, you were talking right, you know, we were talking earlier about how I know that Ben crunch I'll put in a nine hole West course, not too long ago which is really a cool feature to have. But you guys are basically using one of those holes for the corporate hospitality merchandise tab and, you know, it kind of breaks your heart to see that thing destroyed. It's tough right they came in January one or January 2 started port and travel down the first fairway on the west nine, the merchandise to the tenant itself is like 50,000 plus square feet, then you add the peripheral tents to go for storage and all the different administrative offices and all that stuff around it the first fairway is a city it looks like a movie set you know production wise with trailers and tents and all this stuff going on the ninth fairway is the main entrance to the tournament, and then the seventh fairway and part of the fifth fairway are being used for the TV compound, we have four holes are pretty much destroyed, you know, not the greens or the teas, but the fairway and the middle of the whole everywhere that they're, you know, right outside the window I'm sitting at they're building a display for Cadillac you know it's one of the, one of the presenting sponsors of the PGA and the concession stands and the grandstands and the corporate chalets and all of those things. The good news when we reopen Memorial Day weekend we're gonna be closed for about four days as we try to move back into the clubhouse, you know, inside the ropes will heal pretty fast and it's it's gonna be a high growing time so walk past things like that will be healed up, you know, probably by July 4 that the PGA would not will not have backed out of here, so to speak, until probably August 1, so we've got a lot of healing to do outside the ropes, if you will, of course our west sides, like said it'd be it right now it's it's certainly probably feels like an inconvenience for anybody trying to come up the drive with this beautiful entry drive just oak tree line up to the clubhouse, and go through the middle of the west nine you see the championship course on your left practice areas and right now we've got, you know, fencing up with windscreens and, and I'm sure there's a lot of people that are annoyed with it but it's going to be it's going to show well that we've had great weather it's had kind of another thing to kind of brag on the membership. Last year we actually had winter and in 2120 and the 21. And everybody remembers that real cold brutal cold staff that we had February of 21 and we had some significant damage to the Bermuda grass and we were pretty, pretty banged up at this fall.

We reduced the amount of carts, just to medical exemptions and so everybody else walked we raised the place a little bit as we were moving into dormancy. As we came out of dormancy as soon as we started seeing green grass we took the carts off completely so we haven't had a card on the property since March one, when the players and the fans get here on 16th, they're gonna, I think they're going to take a breath away it's gonna be really, really good. Had eight inches of rain in the last five days so that all that water sitting in the ground right now and it's supposed to be 90 beginning on Sunday so that 90 degrees and 65 at night is prime growing Bermuda grass weather for down here so we're gonna have, we're actually gonna have rough, we won't even work for it looks like we're not plenty of rough for these guys as well.

I'm just hoping we have a little win for them. Yeah, like the courses and hard enough right here we just got to get all elements, one of the things I want you to talk about just a little bit please is the, the superintendent in the ground crews in it. Typically in a course, your size you probably have somewhere between 40 and 60 ground room and, you know, for, for 27 holes but tell us tell the listeners a little bit about how the entire golf community rallies around an event like this.

We normally have about 60 to 70 on on our staff that's during the primary season obviously it's smaller during the, during the shoulder in the winter but. But one of the really cool things about the golf industry is like Russ Myers our head golf course superintendent and he's got about 100 superintendents coming from all over the country they're going to come in, leave their facility for one week, come up to make sure that it's that it's perfect. And that's what they that's what their, their association does the PJ of America is very similar in that way.

But these guys will all come in with them up in hotels. I'll use St. Louis and maybe St. Louis Country Club or Belle Reeve or sunset or something like that he may be raking bunkers, you know, the morning of the tournament, but they're all here to do any job they need to make sure that that the golf course is perfect for the, for the players. So Russell do a lineup and assignments, beginning at 430, and they'll go out there and get all that done before everybody's here before the people start rolling in and they're set up for a while plays going on where there'll be, they've got a, you know, kitchen set up down there so one of our sushi has to be cooking these guys meals keeping them said they've got a big viewing area to watch the, a bunch of different feeds so they can look at look at their work and it but it's just it's a. It's one of the many great things about the game and the business of the game that you don't always hear about or know about is, you know, these guys come from all over the country. This is golf with Jay delsing and I'm visiting with Carrie Cosby who is the director of golf at Southern hills the host of the 2022 PGA Championship.

What I noticed too is that these guys would just kind of appear out of nowhere and start, you know, putting pumps and bunkers and getting water out of here and squeegees out of there and then, and then you turn around the horn goes off and all of a sudden they disappear it's like they just fell into a tree or they walked into the, they walked right back into the trees and they just like feel the dreams they walk out of the corner they're gone. Yeah, they're just like, it's really really cool from that standpoint just, it's just a bigger operation there's more stuff to cover and these guys are, you know, Russ is like said best in the business and kind of a welcome party at three o'clock and he's going to feed everybody kind of go over the week and, and I'm looking forward to being down there the day before everybody gets here just shaking hands a lot of these guys and make some connections with the superintendents around the country just for thank them for being here because it's, it's really special what happens. All right, so don't go anywhere that'll just wrap up the first half of the Carrie Cosby interview. We'll continue that interview on the back man. This is golf with Jay Nelson, boy is this housing market tight right now. Are you tired of having the second best bid on your dream home, call my friend Joe Schiezer at 314-628-2015 Joe's been helping my family and I for over 30 years, he closes millions of dollars of business every year, and he will help you understand the importance of a pre approval letter inspections and pricing your home or your offer.

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Tell us Tiger. We just can't wait to hear The PGA connected Nick Sodorkis and myself and our onsite PGA guy Brian Carnes and said, Hey guys, we just need to keep this under wraps and they connect us. They said, Hey, we would show up this time and love to have a couple caddies and do all that.

And, and if you could keep it under wraps, there's not a circus. He wants to just get some, get some work in and then get on the road on back in the, on the road to Vegas. And so, um, I ended up carrying the bag for him. Uh, and then my son carried the bag for Rob McNamara, his, his good friend who runs TGR ventures. But I, but also you said, you know, you can tell they're very close, close friends.

And, uh, uh, I didn't tell, I didn't, I got in a little trouble for not telling my wife, but after I told her the night before and, uh, she was a little upset at the time, but I just didn't, I didn't want it to get out because of me or, you know, something like that, because it's, you know, he lives in such a different life, uh, than, than everybody else. And, you know, even the, we had Scotty Scheffler here yesterday and Ryan Palmer, just awesome guy. I spent some time with them on the golf course, just kind of showing some of the new stuff. Scotty had won the, the big 12 championship in 2015.

So I had a little different look when he, he was here last. And so we kind of went through some of those and tiger just, it brings on a different level, kind of an Elvis Beatles type of, of, uh, excitement, uh, when he shows up. So the morning of, and just by half a chance, uh, the PGA was here filming a promo on PGA junior league, which if you haven't learned it yet, I think it's the greatest thing that PGA of America ever done is PGA junior league.

These kids playing a three hole scramble for a flag. And I mean, it is, it is an awesome, awesome way and avenue to get people playing the game and, uh, at a, at a very safe level, you know, versus posting the scores and doing all those things. And, um, team Oklahoma, which I had, my son was on banks, was on part of the team. Um, just happened to be here that morning and they were filming this promo with Cameron young, a great rookie and his dad's a golf professional at, uh, at sleepy hollow up in New York. And, and, uh, he's a super, super young guy.

Tiger was about to land and do all that stuff. I was coming to Tulsa. So I showed, I showed, pulled him in the office down at the performance and I said, Hey, so now he goes, is he coming today? And I go, yeah, he goes, are you serious? I go, yeah. And he goes, I go, you know what else? He goes, what?

I go, you and I are going to carry in this group. He went to his knees, put his hands over space and just kind of rolled on the floor. Like, are you kidding me? And I said, I'm going to carry a tiger's bag and you're going to carry his best buddy Rob's bag. So they were filming in the golf performance center was rain was going on, but they were going to go on the golf course and hit three locations. And the first location they were going to hit, we had put the flag exactly where tiger had made the famous putt on eight, where he stepped on doing a fist pump. And they think, you know, messes me up, uh, after you remember that on the, on the final round. Um, so the kids were, the kids were going out to recreate that putt and that fist pump, hoping not to knee injury.

Right. And, uh, they didn't know what was going on. Cause you know, they hadn't been making up the clubhouse. And, and so they had taken a convoy over to number eight green. Well, what, when you come down one, one grade of eight grader, you know, 75 yards apart and there's nothing in between the two, really. So the PGA guys were in the loop and they, they walked over.

And so these, these kids just, and they're all great kids, great families and great, uh, great players. They all got to watch tiger. His approach shot into one and watching putt and get a little works around to what one grade.

So it was a special timing for, for team Oklahoma to be able to, to get that done. And then it's, it's unbelievable as you were well aware what the worry hits it on this. I mean, it's the same every time, even at 46, even after back surgeries, even after horrific car wreck, it is, he is a complete savant with a golf club in his hand and watching it. I could, I could watch him pitch and putt. It was so for me as the guy who loves to play golf, I think I've said it to you before.

I, I mean, I love it. And, and, uh, like I would go right now and I'd go chip and putt or play. I'm not, I wouldn't, I shouldn't have been better at hitting balls, but I would go and play right until dark. And I just, I love the game. I, you know, I watched the golf channel. I watched the other stuff, do other things too, but like I do in the pelts on the morning, I'll have it on GP world tour. And I just like to watch guys and try to learn and see what's going on a bit. So to see that, that caddy view, uh, watching him hit shots, he was super, super, uh, gracious.

I took, I only took my phone out of my pocket. One time I took a picture of, I'd thrown a water bottle away and I was 50 yards behind the guys or 30 yards behind the guys. And I look up and there's banks and tiger just walking down the fair, fairway to 14 green and banks, Terry and Rob's bag. And, and they're talking about, but I asked us, what are you guys talking about? Because we were talking about Charlie and where he's going to play a tiger son.

They're about the same age. And, um, so just a surreal moment for, for me as a golfer and, and, uh, and he was very inquisitive. You know, what's different, you know, on different lines and different angles to kind of look into it.

It's more of a, I'd say more of a strategic, uh, approach shot than it maybe it used to be. And so he was, but he, you know, what am I going to be able to tell him? Right.

Not much, but, um, you know, it started every, every, ever since when I think you might want to, you know, and, uh, just cause, you know, like I said, I'm not going to be able to get that much information, but, um, but it was just a, it was special to watch him do that. I told banks before I said, Hey, listen, I don't know if they're going to want to talk or they're going to say nothing or they're going to get anything in between. So I said, just be ready for them. Maybe they don't, they don't say maybe they're going to be talking about other stuff, but, um, the one thing you can do is we can watch him go about his business for 18 holes. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity, and it may mean something to you immediately.

It may mean something to you five months from now, five years from now. It's certainly going to mean something to us as father, son, uh, the rest of our lives to, to be able to do that, uh, together. But, um, to what, you know, I think it's the greatest of all time. It's obviously it's, it's he and Nicholas are the two that everybody agrees upon. And, uh, he's certainly the most dominant of his, uh, golfer never to ever play, but, um, just to watch it up close.

I just, it's hard to, it's hard to put in words how, how good it is. And he didn't, I know you as a, as a player, I mean, he never missed a shot left of any target he looked at and he hit didn't matter what club he could hit it through any window. He could hit a three iron through a phone book. He hit one over a tree. I mean, uh, he could, he just, you know, as three wood is five wood. He'd hit a high three wood on a hole in the next hole in the winter here, low five would, you know, it should be the exact opposite, but not for him.

And then the click changes anything in his setup either. I'm sitting there just like, what's he doing different? How's he doing that? And he dropped three balls and he hit three pitch shots, all different heights, all end up, you know, a foot from each other.

It's like, you know, and so it's just, it was, it was really neat. Um, you know, my son loves to play golf. He likes to play tournament golf and, uh, I'm a very hands off dad and, and not over the top. You know, my dad was great. The only time my dad ever got mad at kind of questioned me on anything sports wise is when I told him I wasn't gonna play football my junior and senior high school. He grew up in West Texas and he was like, you're going to do what? Yeah, no, I know.

So to him, it's a religion out there. And he was, he was a little bit like, I said, Hey, I want to, I want to play college golf. And I, I think I'm a little behind, you know, a bunch of the guys that play a little more year round season than I do. And I want to catch up with him and play college golf. And, and, um, uh, so he, I'm kind of the same with banks. You know, I, we, I caddied for him in certain events and let you have a caddy. And we talk a lot of preparation and practice and short game stuff, but our director of instruction, Ryan ready, who's outstanding. He teaches banks. Um, you know, I, I, you know, Ryan and I talked behind the scenes and just stuff, but, um, I'm, I'm not a, what do you call them? Helicopter parenting like that.

You know, the game you have to touch the stove and make sure it's hot every once in a while. And, uh, so, you know, if I'll tell you this, Patrick Reed was here for about 20 hours and he was awesome. And we spent some time together just talking about the golf course. We had one of our best caddies with him. They literally spent 20 hours, um, charted every green and, and, um, uh, on the first day was here. I took banks out to introduce him and, uh, to Patrick and Kevin Kirk, as you know, great instructor out of, out of Houston and national teacher of the year, a few years back and great guys.

So they, he goes, no pro season hanging with me for the next two holes. And, um, so Patrick showed him how to chart a green and then it pitched around the seventh grade and chart charted eight and pitched around number nine. The membership was loving it.

Like, Holy cow, how cool is this? And he took a bunch of pictures with a bunch of our juniors and did all that. But, um, you know, the, the, um, um, when I said, Hey, what'd you guys talk about? And he said, Hey, really kind of something on my putting, he helped me with. And so he, he almost said verbatim what I had said, like five or six days ago, he asked me a question, you know, but his dad's saying it goes in one ear, not the other, the other year. But Matt, you know, a master's champion, Patrick Reed, Ryder cup hero says that it's, it's gospel.

Right. You know, so, um, that's, that's the reason I don't, uh, I don't try to, um, get in the way I, you know, I'm, I'm here to help and support and, uh, push every once in a while. If he, if he wants it, but, but, you know, let him, let him ask me questions, but so, you know, you get, you get a chance to, well, it's a good chance to, you want to want to guide chip it as well.

Patrick Reed, that guy could flat just golf all around around. Holy cow. Is it good? He's got a sick pair of hands. He has got a sick, it is awesome. And, uh, uh, they were, they had a blast and he, he was very complimentary on banks and his chipping. And then of course, helped him with his putting, um, uh, which, which was funny, but, uh, he, he does, he, he'd be a good candidate here to win. He's put some work in, it seemed like his forms coming together.

I know he had a little health issue visiting with him, uh, last, last fall in pneumonia or something like that. And he started to start to play pretty good. And you know, everything here, there's no rough around the grades. So I think the person who wins is going to be somebody who's really, really good at chipping and pitching the ball is going to be tight Bermuda, uh, to crown greens. And, uh, he certainly fits that bill. He, he was impressive as I'll get out to watch, uh, chip around the greens. I saw him just kind of talking to him was getting his work in.

So, uh, uh, you know, that's funny on how that all, that all works with, uh, being a dad, you know, um, but, uh, but the, the, the tiger deal was beyond special. We had helicopters flying over. There were news media and, uh, uh, you know, in a property fence, you know, hanging out in the landscape in there, we walked on the six, are there guys in the, are there guys in the bushes?

Yeah, I think there are. So, uh, I looked up as one of the news, like channel six guys, like, oh my gosh, you know, so it was, it was great, but, uh, he handles it. He's, he's got such a, he's got such a different life that, that he can, he can put himself in that bubble. He's really amazing. Hey, I'm visiting with Kerry Krosby.

He is the director of golf at Southern Hills, the host of the 2022 PGA championship and got to caddy with his son banks for tiger woods last week. Kerry, was there anything that stood out in your mind about tiger's game? I can't remember this iron shots. They just, they just were, I mean, they're almost flawless, right?

Yeah, no, they really are. And the golf swing that you're looking at the grip, I mean, you're, for the most part, he hadn't missed me when he starts doing it counted, but, uh, the windows that he could hit it through. I mean, he, he did a five wood, like I said, neck high, and then he followed with a three wood. That would be, it looked like an eight iron. It's all in six hole, part three, straight up in the air. Cause he needed to land it soft.

It was downwind and downhill. And he said, turn around on five is blowing 25 miles an hour. And it's kind of into him right to left. And he just hits this little bullet hole cut that just didn't move.

That was, you know, it was a third lower than the one he just hit 10 minutes ago. Eye-opening to see how, you know, just how good he, he really is. I mean, he's just, he really is. He's just a savant.

I mean, when he gets down to it. So appreciate your time and the insight, not only into around a golf with tiger, but just the coming to goings of the club and the major championship. And we can't wait to watch this unfold and we just wish you all the best of luck.

Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be on with you guys and to be on with you and, and, uh, I need to, I need to get up there and we need to play some golf. I, you know, I've got one of an old teammate, Grant Mastin is at St. Louis country club as a head professional.

And I know tuck well at Bell, Reeve and Ryan Johnson, former seven-year-old assistant at sunset. So I've, I've got some reason to go. Maybe when the Dodgers come in to play the Cardinals, I can slip up there and play some golf. All right, pro that's going to wrap up that interview. We're going to take a break right now and we will discuss a little bit of this and a lot more on the Michelob ultra 18th hole.

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