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Check them out and call them 314-805-2132. All right, Pearl, our gateway PGA Spotlight today is Sally Collins. Sally is first of all a very cool human being. She has dedicated her life to the game of golf and she is working with a segment of the section called the Gateway Hope where they are making opportunities available for veterans, disabled or otherwise, to get involved in the game, teaching the game, showing them how to hold the club, all sorts of cool stuff.

So we got a neat little spotlight with Sally. And then we also have, we got Ferdy coming to St. Louis the end of September. He's coming to Meadowbrook Country Club. He's going to be with four celebrities.

He's going to be with Pearly. No, wait a minute. You're not a celebrity. No, I don't even think you get to go, do you? Wow.

No. Anyway, we got Marshall Faulk. How did you get that part? That was funny. We got Marshall. We got Marshall Faulk. We got the great Ozzie Smith.

We got Brett Hall and we got Chris Pronger and they are playing against Pat Perez. So that's been in the in the media a little bit with his defection over to the LIV. And so he's coming to St. Louis at the end of September. So that's going to be interesting.

What do you think? Are we going to talk more about that Pat Perez move? Or where are we going to talk about that?

There's really not that much to talk about. I mean, he's, it's interesting the way this worked. He chirped and chirped and chirped in the media that said all they had to do was make him an offer and he was gone. And then the next day, they made him an offer and he was gone.

So obviously, Greg Norman's reading about of the media things and trying to figure out how to get more of the PGA Tour players to go over and play LIV. Run the numbers a little bit for folks, Jay. Just the down and dirty rough numbers for Pat Perez.

How does that work? And maybe I'm behind it, but also Reed went? Patrick Reed's supposedly signed up as long as also Bryson DeChambeau has gone. So give the Pat Perez because Pat is, what would you call Pat? Pat's a winner on tour? Yes, he's a winner on tour. What would you call him? A mid level guy? Is that how would you reference him?

I mean, respectfully, how would you reference? Yeah, I mean, he's had a hell of a career. I think he's 47 years old. He's he stayed on tour a long, long time. This is over his 20th year on the PGA Tour. And you know, just doing that it's you're you're a hell of a player winning on the PGA Tour separates you.

I mean, it's not an easy place to go ahead and knock a win off. And so Pat has done that. So I would definitely call him you know, the middle to upper end guy. He's controversial. He's extremely outspoken. But you know what he is who he is.

He's his authentic guy and he throws it out there whether you like it or not. Again, john, he's getting $10 million $10 million. And so this is about the money plain and simple. It'd be refreshing if one of the players would just come out and say the opportunity exists in the money because john, here's the scenario that I put forth pick a week, the Canadian Open Week a couple weeks ago, RBC was playing outside of Toronto and it was the LIV first week. Let's have a scenario where the LIV and the Canadian Open the RBC Canadian Open have the exact same purses. There's none of that crazy guarantee money to lure you who's playing in London, whoever can nobody from the PGA Tour is going to defect over there.

If they don't give DJs not going over there if they didn't give them 125 million head to head to head, they're not gonna they're not going to compete. It was not even going to be close. No, be interesting. This is definitely stirring the pot.

It doesn't appear that it's going away anytime soon. So it'll be interesting to see how this goes. I mean, there's a lot of speculation that Ricky Fowler is going to jump. And then you know, Brooks Koepke Bruxy has got his brother Chase playing over there. You know, Chase has never had a PGA Tour card before he's got a million dollars to go. And you sit there and wonder if any of the rumors are right.

We'll just have to strap strap, put our seatbelt on and wait and see what happens. So Pat Perez end of his career gets 10 million. He's 47. How much is he going to make in the last three years? Would you guess if he grinds it out on the regular tour for three years? Oh, gosh, he's probably gonna make let's say, three, five and a half million, probably something like that, if all goes well, and he gets to go play for a whole bunch more money. Yeah, absolutely.

Different experiences. So what's he given up senior tour potentially, potentially if we don't know what's gonna hold, but I mean, you've got to think that at least right now with what we know the PGA Tour is going to forbid suspend these guys for quite a bit. And so as independent contractors, as we've noted, noted on the show before, john, the PGA Tour is probably going to lose the fact that they cannot tell people where they can and cannot play. But and you made a great point a couple weeks ago, they can say john Burles, I am not hiring you to play on the PGA Tour.

So you are not allowed over here. They can do that. Yeah, that's where it's gonna be interesting. How long do you think this is going to take? What do you think we'll start knowing things? When do you think we'll start knowing if the live tours got any kind of a chance of staying power? Yes, they have the money, but is anybody going to give a darn? Right? When?

When's it going to start coming down? What happens with the tour and how you know what leverage they actually do have? Or we'll be looking at a multi year court case here. When the courts get involved, it'll definitely be multi year. But here's, in my opinion, where this thing is going to turn on the Open Championship will be played next month. And we'll and all of that live players will be able to play over there, where this all hinges john is moving forward. And what the powers that be the Masters, the US Open, the PGA Championship and the Open Championship, what they decide on these live players, if they decide that these live players are not allowed in their event, and they are their own entity, so they can have you can be fractured, you can have the master say you're not allowed in the US Open, say you are allowed to totally different entities. I don't think that will happen. I think they'll get together, and they'll make a ruling in unison. But if they tell those players that they cannot play in their championship, because they're a member of the live tour, that's when it's going to get real. But it might want from USGA.

What did he come out? So Mike one had a very interesting comment about that, where he said, we got together, we had a meeting, and we said, these guys could indeed play this year. However, he said, specifically, and succinctly, just because we're ruling this way now does not mean that's the way we're going to rule. As we move forward, we are going to monitor the situation and do what we think is best for golf. He also said, I have a hard time understanding how this tour is good for golf.

He said that. So at the end of the day, the guys that are going there for the money, if they can't play US Open, PGA, Masters, British, do you think that changes their minds for the most part or do they still just go for the money and don't care? Certain players it does. DJ cares a lot. DJ cares a lot. Pat Perez, I don't think he cares quite as much. He's not exempting to probably all the majors every year like Dustin is.

Right, right. You get guys like Bryson DeChambeau and Patrick Reed. Yeah, they care a lot. You get a guy like Kevin Na, he doesn't care. Kevin Na, believe it or not, bro, has actually qualified for the British Open and not gone. Well, that's not overly surprising if you know Kevin Na a little bit. Yeah. Do we know Kevin Na a little bit? A little bit.

We've been very complimentary to him and we should because he's a great player but he's definitely a different dude which again, that's fine but he's definitely a different dude. That's going to wrap up the unarranged segment. We are going to do the tip of the cap segment and this is a perfect segue into the tip of the cap. It's brought to you by my buddy Colin Berndt, 314-966-0303. He runs Dean, Team, Volkswagen, and Kirkwood. Great guy.

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Now it's the Gateway Section PGA Spotlight. Here's Jay Delsing. Good morning. This is golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host Jay.

And this is the Gateway Spotlight. And this morning we are talking with Sally Collins. Sally, thanks for joining me. It's my pleasure, Jay. Thanks for having me on your show. It's my pleasure. Actually, I know you're a nit the lion.

And that's such a cool school and in history. You're a woman that's dedicated your entire life to the game of golf. You're a lover of the game, a grower of the game, former head pro at Wing Haven, and you've been associated with Bell Reeve and just some really iconic places in St. Louis. First of all, congratulations on all those things. Thank you.

I appreciate that. It's certainly been a great ride. And to see the game really take off during the pandemic as has really been uplifting to all of us in the profession. Yeah, it really is a special time and who'd have thought that this would have been a byproduct of this awful other time. I mean, it's pretty amazing. It's so true. I was reading a statistic the other day about how the growth even of the just the women's segment.

Since like 2019. I think we're we've increased women's participation in the game, something like 33 to 40%, which is just incredible. So Sally, let's let's kind of offshoot on that. Let's talk a little bit about what you're doing at Sunset Hills in Edwardsville with with the PGA hope program. Well, I was very fortunate to be invited to participate in the PGA hope program that is this one is strictly a women's only clinic. Jonda priest, the director of golf at at Sunset Hills contacted me whether I'd be interested in helping out.

And of course, it was count me in. I mean, these are the women and of course, the men that have given you and I the opportunity to go out protect our freedom so we can play and enjoy the game and teach and be involved in the game that we both love so much. It's certainly been so rewarding. We have between 10 and 12 lady veterans, women veterans in our program. This will be the culmination week, the graduation week, but over the course of the past five weeks, we've seen women that didn't even know how to hold a club or swing a club. They're now signing up over at the Arlington greens Thursday, playing opportunities that Mark Marcuseau and Brian Maine, I think Sam Gilliland's involved and I'm sure there's some others there as well. So to have women that never swung a club before and now they're, they're talking, Hey, how how do I get involved?

How do I get on the golf course? It's just so rewarding. Sally, there's no question you know, the old adage freedom isn't free. And you look at what these women have done and sacrifice. It's amazing. And we get to talk golf and teach golf and try to grow the game. But it would we wouldn't have that opportunity without them.

It's so true. It's it's our time to give back. And that's, that's how I was always raised by my parents is go out and do things that benefit others and what better way than through PGA hope. It's just another thing that the gateway section in the PGA of America and you great men and women professionals are doing for the community that people don't know about.

Thank you so much for doing that. And is there a way that folks can get involved in this whole program? I know Fernando Molinaro at the gateway PGA section, he and I had a conversation last week about what programs are coming up. And of course, it's very important and all of us that we have to be certified adaptive instructors.

So this time of the year, when everybody's very involved with with all their golf events, tournaments, at their clubs, sometimes it's a little difficult to get enough of the certified instructors. But I know that in our conversation, we're definitely looking to get more of the clinics just for the women in the next few months. Sally, thanks so much for you for all you do and please keep doing it. Thank you. I appreciate that Jay and there's, there's no better way to grow the game than give back to those of our fellow Americans and people that have really protected our freedom and get them out there and get them enjoying life. Thanks to Sally Jenkins of the gateway PGA section. Coming up, it's J&J.

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For tickets ascension charity classic.com. Good morning. This is golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host Jay.

I'm sitting down with dear friend fellow St. Louis and Jay Williamson. Willie Good morning and thanks for joining me. Good morning Jay and happy like I told Frank yesterday. Happy belated Father's Day we we didn't communicate so I know that's important to you. So happy I hope you had a good one.

We did and you as well. I know you and Marnie get the three kids and yeah, it was a really really fun day Jaybird there is so much going on in the world of golf. I'm not sure golf has ever been more in the front page of our sports discussions first of all and foremost. Let's talk about where you are. You're getting prepped up for the U.S. Open. It's at Silicon Silicon Valley. Tell us a little bit about your game.

Tell us a little bit about what's going on and get ready for a senior major. Yeah I'm here in in in the Lehigh Valley which is really an idyllic place. Beautiful golf courses you know Silicon Valley has 54 holes beautiful club. It's a great a great place to host a senior open.

You know it's not a it's not a huge market but but there's a lot of golf interest here you can you can feel it. And you know I just think that I'm really excited for the opportunity. You know you get to our age Jay and I think you can relate to this you just never know when you're going to get another tee time. And so to have this opportunity here this week I'm really thrilled for.

You know I wish that I was you know 15 years younger but I don't think we can do anything about that. But to have this opportunity is very unique in sports and I'm looking forward to it. You should be and you know what congratulations on getting into another USGA event.

That is not an easy thing to do. Is this your third or your fourth senior open. This is my third. I played in Boston.

I played in Notre Dame. I've been. Gosh I've been first alternate to the last couple. So it was really nice to get the phone call last week that I was in. I actually took pretty couple spot which I know is a bummer for you know for the tournament in general. But but it's nice to it's nice to get the call and to get into the tournament with a little time to prepare.

Yeah. And you know what Jaybird your game has been good. It hasn't been great but your game has been good. You've been qualifying for a few events and you're kind of right there. What is for you personally what do you feel like needs to happen to just get over that hump for you.

It's a great question. And I've been you know certainly contemplating that the last you know couple of years because I've had I've had some opportunities and I just you know whether it's whether it's the senior opens the last few years or you know like the Ascension Charity Classic which I know you and I are both fond of and involved with. But you know I just don't seem to have the same mental toughness that I used to have earlier in my career and I'm not really sure why. I certainly put probably an inordinate amount of pressure on myself to perform. I'm sure that has something to do with it but I'm just looking forward to you know what when I make a mistake which I know is going to happen you know not compound it and be able to overcome it quicker than I have been recently.

And if I can do that I think that I think I can I can be OK. It's just getting over that but that adversity that we all feel on the golf course or that we're all presented with and getting over it and moving on. This is golf with Jay Delsing and I am speaking with fellow St. Louis and Jay Williamson a Bell Reeve member fellow ambassador for the Ascension Charity Classic and now a contestant in the twenty twenty two U.S. Open at Salkin Valley there in Pennsylvania. So let's shift gears a little bit Jay and talk a little bit of the U.S. Open was one hell of a great finish. Actually in my opinion the last two majors have almost been must see TV for golf fans.

How are you feeling about those last two events. You know I think I think it's a it's a general trend and I actually think it aligns well with where golf is today internationally or globally however you want to describe it. I mean I think right now with the pandemic you know the pandemic hasn't been great for a whole lot of things but it's been great for golf certainly around the world also.

And I think that that the U.S. Open was able to capitalize on that on that energy. I think people have discovered that it's it's just it's a great pastime. It's a great sport. You're outside and I just think that what these guys are doing these younger players is really amazing.

It's amazing how good they are. Now what's going on in golf right now. The problem is is it's a little bit of I don't want to say growing pains but it's a symptom of this this this popularity that the game seems to have you know worldwide. You know the live tour I'm sure that's where we're going to go here. You know the live tour is you know it's a consequence of that. You know I don't know where that's going to go.

It's going to end up in the courts unfortunately at some point. But I think I think the performance that Fitzpatrick had and Zalatoris and you know all these younger guys at the U.S. Open in Brooklyn last week I think it was great theater. And it really you know I have a hard time watching golf for four hours. But you know I did tune in a little bit and you know that's the way golf's supposed to be played. It was a great championship. You know there wasn't any controversy which is always great. And you know a great champion was crowned on Sunday afternoon.

Yeah I know I totally agree and it was nice to see Justin Thomas get a second major win at Southern Hills and in kind of a tragic fan fashion for Mito Piera. But yeah let's jump into the elephant in the room by the L.I.V. tour live tour.

I don't even know exactly what to call it. I know it's all about 54 holes but OK so what's your first take. I mean gosh there's a lot for us to unpack here. We've both been PGA Tour members for a long long time spent a lot of time representing the PGA Tour. You know there's a lot to unload here.

Yeah there really is. And so you just you know the more I talk about this I'm probably going to get in trouble at some point because I do have opinions like you. I mean we both have opinions strong opinions probably we're passionate about.

You know the time that we spent on the PGA Tour as you just alluded we're both still PGA Tour members. And I guess one of the questions I would ask you you know kind of playing devil's advocate here because I think competition is great for everything. Now sometimes it gets a little dicey it gets it gets ugly and that's kind of what's going on right now. But competition at the end of the day is good. I mean if you're if you decide to be a professional golfer I mean it really is at this level it's legalized gambling in a sense and you're playing for someone else's money when you're young you play for your own and then when you get older and better you start playing for other people's money in this case the sponsors money. There's a lot of money that's being thrown at golf right now and it's it's it's putting some pressure on the PGA Tour but it needs to in a way. The PGA Tour has been rolling along for a long time you know the players have really never had anyone looking out for their best interest and so there's there's a lot going on here and I would just ask you this Jay you you're a PGA member you still are what does that actually do for you?

You spent you spent more time on the tour than I did what does that actually do for you today? I don't think I would actually say really nothing yeah you get to play the TPC courses every once in a while if you want to for free but it's you know they really like to take care of their stars at present but they kind of forget about the guys that spent a lot of time out there you know in their early years so I think that the competition is good for the tour and it'll be interesting to see where it all plays out. Now there's no question I mean I have a hell of a lot of limping from all the years that I walked out there buddy and all of the bogeys and I've got a lot of mental anguish a lot of gray hair and a hell of a lot of wrinkles but I don't know if we can we can blame all that on on golf but no to your point I mean you know all of the other sports have unions all the other sports have a some sort of player representation in the room when negotiations are happening when television contracts are happening and things like that Jaybird we have never the tour has never even been able to we get 25 of us in a room and it doesn't seem like we can agree on anything. Yeah and that's that's that's probably one of one of the issues because quite honestly everyone has their own agenda we're all independent contractors and the tour the tour beats that into your head for you know forever you know and so so you can't you can't blame a guy I mean Brooks Koepka definitely surprised me blame some of these guys you know for making the jump I mean quite honestly if you're a professional golfer you you do have now this might take it a little bit too far and but you have a fiduciary responsibility to your family to make the right financial decisions now whether they're right or not you know history is going to be the guide on that I do think though that what the tour the tour's decision yesterday to come out with their new eight events at 20 million dollar purses I mean that's a obviously that's a reaction to the live tour but that's that's that really is hypocritical for the tour to do that all of a sudden and find this money that who knows where they find it they seem to always be able to there must be a money tree in the backyard that they just shake when they need it you know it just it really doesn't sit well with me that all of a sudden they're coming out with you know these these big purses they should have done that years ago you know if the money is there why why does it go into a reserve you know for this type of situation I don't know there there is a lot going on there's probably a lot more going on that you and I don't know about but but it's going to be interesting and it's going to be great for the players in the top 50 that is that is for sure the guys in the top 50 world rankings this is they're they're going to be smiling at the mirror this morning Jay there's there's so much this new player incentive program where they're actually rewarding people for trying to move the needle via social media and things like that you know 50 million dollars in that pool these are sort of this this type of of deep pocketed dollars that are being thrown around are so foreign for for players like you and I because we didn't have huge purses to play in all the time we didn't have all of these different you know if you kept your card you got X amount of extra dollars thrown into your retirement you got X this you got X that but Jay I was on the player Advisory Council for probably 20 of my 30 years that money is everywhere with a PGA Tour it is everywhere and we had to decide several times and vote on several issues on how and what to do with this money and my opinion was to always always give it back to the players I'm not sure I again I I've never sat in those rooms I do know that you know the financials are public because the tour is a non-profit organization and I know those those financials are released and people are going to be taking a closer look you know should the commissioner be making more than you know I don't know it's it's going to be real dicey as to how this proceeds but again like I said competition's good I'm not sure this is you know this is the right competition because who knows where that money is coming from really and how sustainable is it I do think that that what could make or break that live tour is what the reaction is to you know from the the major tours the PGA of America the PGA the USGA and Augusta National if they prohibit these players on the live tour from competing in the next couple years that's gonna that's gonna really throw a wrench into that into that series as they call it so we'll see but it's it's fun to talk about and it's you know a lot of people are talking about golf which for you and I is great right absolutely Jay I mean I think that is going to be a cornerstone on what you know the RNA USGA as you said PGA Championship and Augusta what they decide but let me ask you this is this really a competition as it sits now this first event had 48 players you and I are in the weeds on on anything golf I didn't know 30 of them Phil Mickelson finished tied for 33rd and I couldn't tell you one of the people that he that he beat I don't know if they're pros I don't know if they're amateurs I don't know if they're left-handed I don't know anything that's that's a really good question and you know Kelly Gibson who you know longtime tour player you know never never won but had a really nice career out there great with sponsors great with fans popular guy and I would say an asset to the tour he and I always laugh you know Tiger Woods Phil Mickelson all these guys wouldn't be great today if they didn't have people to be you know good competition they you know they need people to be in order to be a champion you can and that was a full field of 156 guys oftentimes that Tiger would be so now you've got you've got this live tour where you've got only 48 guys and most of them you really never heard of before so so I agree with what you're saying how are you going to award world ranking points how is that going to be a champion how is that going to be you know competition I do think that Greg Norman had something 20 or 30 years ago when he came out with this whole world tour idea I think that's where it's eventually going to morph into and there's going to be 20 events and they're going to have who knows what the first size is going to be but I do think it's going to morph into more of a world tour because that's essentially what it is now at the highest level it's just everyone's got their own interest in the PJ tour and the DP tour in Europe and now you got the Saudi tour if they could all just get together and be happy and you know have one tour that's that's really where everything eventually needs to go you're listening to golf with Jay Delsingh Jay's visiting with Jay Williamson their conversation on LIV continues on the back nine Shondalyn Hutchison was admitted to the emergency department at SSM Health St. Louis University Hospital for unusual swelling cramping and tremendous pain in her legs life-threatening blood clots were 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get let's say they get a quantitative number you know let's say they keep it at 48 or 50 you know and 48 people in each field let's say they sign 55 people now you know now there's alternates now there's these how do they rank those people according to play you know you and I know where we stand from the year prior or whatever I'm not sure how that works well I'm sure there's a computer program that they're trying to figure out how to write and create I don't know how that's going to work you know whether whether they're going to even be allocated world ranking points and if they if they don't get world ranking points then like you said you know the premise how is this considered competition is is it really more of an exhibition pay the guys just to show up but but eventually you kind of lose your status if you don't you know if you're not top 20 in the world or whatever I you know I don't know how that's going to play out but I do know this as long as they're offering guys the kind of money that they're offering to switch you're going to have the Rickie Fowler's and some of these younger guys saying man golf's really hard the older I get man to have some sort of a guarantee because as you know professional golfers really don't have much of a guarantee you know when you start getting that guarantee that that's gonna that's going to be very very intriguing question for these guys the older they get but look at the guys that they're taking aside from Koepka aside from D Shambo Reed and Dustin Johnson most of the guys are on the back end of it but Sergio's the pointers the Westwood fans you know and one of the other things that you know because I know that you're heavily involved in other businesses you have your family business that you just entered recently with your your wonderful family and some other things but my take on a business is that a business is run for profitability and run to try to make money and this clearly is not the case with lib no I don't think I don't know how they make a profit you know I don't know how it's structured who knows you're right the interesting thing about golf is you know yeah we're independent contractors you know using using the question that you know that you just posed you know other other businesses you know a professional golfer has equity in what they're doing but the problem with professional golf is you don't have a lot of equity you know as you as you move forward you know you're really just kind of playing as much as you can for that weekly purse and that's why this guaranteed all off course money you know to get these guys to switch is is very attractive to them again Brooks Koepka really surprises me especially with his reaction last week at the US Open you know that that seems a little hypocritical too but again these guys are in a tough spot when you're dangling that much money guaranteed in front of them and he just finished 55th he hasn't played where the hoot he's dealing with a bunch of injuries I mean you know you and I've said it you've sat at your desk at home and looked at the balance sheet your personal balance sheet and tried to figure out how the hell this is going to work you had three kids I had four they're trying to go to you know we're trying to send them to good schools and things like that I mean I guess I really don't begrudge the players for taking the money Jay what what I really don't understand is why they just can't say that this is just about money this isn't about competition you're leaving a competitive tour a way more competitive tour that's a fact you're going for the money you're not then this to grow the game they didn't have that event in London to grow the game but there's no way yeah that's a tough sell yeah and I don't I don't think that they should be ashamed to you know to admit that they're going for the money I agree with you hey I got a better offer I mean you know again the tour is is pure capitalism and again capitalism sometimes is ugly and right now the tour is learning a lesson on how ugly that can be I mean quite honestly you know they're they're they have a worthy adversary here whether it's moral or not we could certainly debate that for days but but they're worthy because there's a lot of cash and I just think that the reaction hasn't been great and I don't know what's going to happen in the future when these guys you know if in fact that live tour doesn't make it you know then then it's going to be weird too because you're going to have these guys wanting to play again I don't know it's it's going to be interesting but but again at the end of the day it's good for golf I think but maybe not I don't know I don't know if it's good for golf to be honest with you you know I'm I have a lot of conflicting thoughts so you know I sometimes I say things and then I have to catch myself because I'm like well I don't know if that's really true so it's it's it's it's definitely a debate it's a conundrum you know and I'm not sure where it's where it's all going to settle. This is Golf with Jay Delsing I'm Jay Delsing your host I'm visiting with Jay Williamson a fellow St. Louis NFL PGA Tour member fellow ambassador for the Ascension charity classic and we're breaking down the world of golf right now as we know it and I want to ask you something that I was thinking about as we were chatting here Jay we both agree that the PGA Tour should not be able to limit an independent contractor if that's where we are and that's what they've told us we are for all these years you cannot limit them where they can independently contract themselves to work I don't think legally that's going to make any sense or hold up for the tour however Jay Burke two things I want to ask you the tour on the other hand should be able to exclude any independent contractor it chooses so it shouldn't have to hire everyone I want to get your take on that and then I also want to get your take on I have an opinion I want to get yours on do you think these players that have defected Dustin Johnson now Koepka Reed de Shambo de Shambo do you think they think they're going to get back on tour if this thing fold so the players that you just mentioned let's just say let's say the lives who are survives for you know a year and then and then fizzles out they've made enough money now to really support them where I don't think they probably need to work again so whether they get back to the two or not I'm not sure they're totally you know I mean something will happen in the future maybe they'll be you know another tour here you know that somehow gets created you know with the laggards you know that that aren't allowed to play anymore who knows I just know that people still like to watch Dustin Johnson play Patrick Reed you know probably not so much but but I would say that you know I don't think that they're that's I don't think they're worried about that as as far as membership man that's a dicey question because the tour you know it gets it gets into this whole name image and likeness thing that the you know college is dealing with right now and I know that you and I have debated this a little bit you know the tour basically owns us and that's what Phil Mickelson's that what that was one of his biggest complaints is you know why does the tour own you know your name image of likeness I don't know that's where you know if we're if we're independent contractors do they have the right to actually own you know our rights I don't know that's that's again probably going to have to be clarified you know legally which no one wants to see this go to the courts but but I think eventually it will and and I don't know I you know I don't have that legal background to say well if you're a member of a certain tour you should be restricted from going anywhere else you know that's a that's a fundamental question that someone's going to have to answer at some point I love your opinions I got to tell you my take on it is this these guys have jumped for the money I don't begrudge them one iota I wish someone had enough authenticity to say guys this is a business like Bryson DeChambeau said it's a business decision which means this is about the bottom line no problem at all I think these guys haven't thought it through though that if this tour folds they've got a huge amount of money in their pocket but they're still going to want to compete and they're still going to want to play golf and they're thinking somehow or another that they're going to be able to get back on tour maybe it's a year suspension or something like that but I can tell you this in my opinion this tour goes away their bank accounts are full assuming they are all paid in full right up front I don't know how long they're signing with LIV Dustin Johnson 120 125 million for how many years what does that look like I don't know but I can promise you this if they're excluded from the majors and if the PGA tour says fine you've made your bed you got your money we do not allow you back on tour they're going to be bummed they're going to they're going to have a lot of money but they're not going to be able to compete with the best players in the world anymore and that's a consequence no question but again the reason a lot of guys are still playing golf in their 50s is because they have to and a lot of these guys that jump to live they won't have to play golf anymore they can they can still play golf but they they don't they won't need to compete or they won't need to make the money now they're going to miss the competition certainly as you've alluded to before but you know I don't think there's going to be a whole lot of sympathy from the tour if they come back they can deploy Jay Williamson thank you so much for your time I so appreciate your opinion one of the things I love about our friendship is not very often do you and I sit on the same side of the table I love the spirit we both love the game it's been good for us it's also irritated the hell out of us and beat us and beat us up but I'm a huge fan I hope you I hope you'll win the senior open this week but well that would certainly change my life I would I would love to have a chance that's all I ask myself you know just have a chance on Sunday so I appreciate the time to be on with you Jay it's always it's always a spirited you know debate and you know we'll see you soon thank you very much folks are you in the market for some additional protection for your ride you need to call my friends at vehicle assurance their number is eight six six three four one nine two five five sherry fain is the owner and president and she and her team are committed to helping you with your unexpected auto repair bills they are committed to finding the right protection for you your budget and your family they only work with the top vehicle service providers in the country get the protection and the peace of mind you deserve that's vehicle assurance eight six six three four one nine two five five for a free quote 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unwind and unpack a major there's so many things that are so much more difficult in a major than at a typical pga tour event so let's talk a little bit about one of the most glaring things you can go back all the way to 1982 when tom watson hit that phenomenal little hole out pitch shot to the left of the 17th green let's talk about the extreme rough around the greens yeah and you know their philosophy and how to play around it it's so hard and it's one of the things that kind of sets the us open apart doesn't it jay from from any other majors if we watch the guys for the most part they wouldn't take the chance of hitting a real bad shot they would go for kind of a safety shot because they didn't want to have the same problem again we've talked about that from spring golf when you're in trouble get out of the trouble and start again don't compound your problems and we saw multiple instances in the us open where guys tried to do something a little extra fancy they didn't get out of the stuff now they're looking at double or triple something like that how about rory to the right of the third green on third day he took three shots and didn't move the ball it took him three to to move the ball one foot yeah because even those guys in general they're not used to those severe that severe of conditions so it's just enough where their mind's saying hey i can pull this off and the us open grounds crew is saying no you can't don't even don't even try it there's just a certain amount of respect that needs to happen that next level of patience i want to chip this thing three feet you know what buddy take your 12 15 footer and try to make the darn puck because trying to chip at three feet might leave you with 60 feet or leave you still in the rough i think it's such a great lesson for everybody to kind of learn to get away from the fancy stuff often just figure out something that you can advance that back into play where you can maybe make a putt but you won't make more than two shots after that that that's what i think needs to happen and i think we saw that from the guys that hung into contention the longest this last weekend yeah one of the things that it brings up to you john is that if you played in the us open like i have you realize i there is this is extremely difficult first of all high cabbagey rough that's thick and gnarly your ball often sits way down or in between some lights are just all really really difficult lights and then let's go to the green surfaces i'll never forget when you first started caddying for me on the pga tour i'll never forget this you said to me i cannot believe how hard and fast your greens are and you know i've been doing it for a while i'm like oh really he's like yeah i mean it so accentuates your ability to have touch and feel with your short game around the greens because it just makes it that much harder doesn't it absolutely absolutely i played a us junior i played a us amateur so they weren't quite severe like you guys had but relative to our play at the time it certainly was and it just makes you think differently and if you don't and by the way i would say there's plenty of times this last weekend where guys were trying to hit the conservative shot just get it out and on the green 20 feet and it didn't come off that way so i'm not i'm not calling these guys out like they made the wrong call sometimes even it's your best effort to stay conservative it's still not good enough john last year last us open i played and you caddied for me in the qualifier then you went off running off to your fishing trip i'm up at wing foot i hit my ball and the heavy rough three times and made three double bogeys and each time i was trying to go straight out to the fairway to just get out and i couldn't even do that yeah amazing it's it's amazing stuff it's just it can really play on your on your emotions so folks when you get around the greens any even if it's not as extreme as the us open one of the things that i noticed for most amateur golfers that is missing in their short game is an up and down or an angle on their backswing that will when they come down to the ball it'll create an angle of attack that's very sharp and very steep what that does is it eliminates the interference of a lot of grass on the way to the ball john how important is that we talked about this at nauseous through all the years pearl where if you've got to rip out 10 to 14 inches of grass on the way to get to the ball or two to three inches of grass how much more beneficial is eliminating all that unnecessary unknown you've got to get the shortest path through the grass to get to the ball and it's it's it's so uncomfortable especially for folks that kind of pick and try to swing up at it to begin with that's that's big time trouble and that's why you'll see certain guys depending on the type of swings they have they get in tall rough and it's tough for them to make that adjustment because it's a different it's a very different angle of attack and it can really best mess your head up well that's going to wrap up another show before we go i want to announce the winners of the tailor-made tp5 golf ball giveaway thank you jeff thornhill thank you tailor-made golf our four winners this month bill mudge mike chapus doug perrish and scott t you will be sitting by your mailbox we're going to send you a dozen tp5 golf balls compliments tailor-made golf and the golf of jay delsing show girl thanks so much for being with me and folks thanks so much for listening we will see you next week more golf with jay delson get up straight st louis i've been looking for over three years for the perfect place to be the official 19th hole the golf with jay delsing show and the search is over please welcome the loading dock to the show what a great place it is it is located at the confluence of the mississippi and illinois rivers in beautiful grafton illinois their patio is killer with seating for over 800 and every 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