Taylor Twellman Talks Sports Washing, LIV Tua Concussion And Much More-Sunday, -Golf With Jay Delsing

This is golf with Jay Delsingh. A two-time college All-American at UCLA. A participant in nearly 700 PGA Tour events.

Seven professional wins to his credit. Over 30 years of professional golf experience. This is Golf with Jay Delsingh. Good morning. This is Golf with Jay Delsingh.

I'm Jay. I've got Perley with me. Welcome to the show. Perley, what's happening this morning? Nothing much. There's an awful lot to talk about as usual.

Looking forward to it. And one of our favorite athlete announcers today. So that's awesome. Yeah, we've got Taylor Twoman, my nephew. Also, geez, he's MLS media star. He's a star at ESPN. He's doing some hosting. He's one of SportsCenter, that iconic show. He's also an MVP in the MLS, ESPN's league soccer analyst. Anyway, this foundation is about Think Taylor.

We talked a lot about Tua, concussion stuff that's going on. So yeah, so that's going to be neat. So we format a show like Around the Golf.

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I'm not sure if you saw these things, but it's so weird. First of all, the Thomas Peters, the Belgium is standing over about a 30 foot pot. And he's in the middle of his routine going through it makes us he makes a backstroke. Someone in the gallery around the green and very close proximity, coughs or sneezes or distracts him, Pearl, he tries to stop his stroke. He hits about three or four inches behind the ball and the ball literally goes a foot and a half. This is practice putting stroke or his actual his actual putting stroke his actual putting stroke.

He got to replay the stroke because it was deemed according to the new rules of golf that he hit it and was not intending to hit it. I looked at it. I watched it. I'm like, Oh, wow. Well, I thought if you address the ball, you're attending that you're in your intent is to hit the ball. He got through the middle of his he got through.

Well, you know, that's interesting. That's interesting, Jake, because if you go up on the tee, and you tee the ball up, so you've addressed it, and you just nudge it off the tee. You don't have to play that ball. Right?

I know you get three retail no stroke. So So I see where the angle is now. I am Cooper on the 13th green at Norwood. We're standing there and it's his turn to putties 3040 feet from the hole and you and I are looking at our putts and the next thing you know, we turn around his balls nearly rolled off the green. Well, I forgot to give you crap about that because you referenced that a very Jakel incident. So I figured you're you're going you're going and they had changed that ruling and it worked out for the better meant of him. In Barry's case, john, he was probably 45 feet from the hole. We're playing at the buyer Nelson was crazy when he marked his ball went down by the whole wind hit his ball rolled it down to within a couple inches of the hole from about 30 or 40 feet. But the old ruling, he had to put it back.

No, no, no, no, I'm wrong. The old ruling was he got to play it. So he got to tap in for birdie Brian Cooper's ball rolled off the green, the old ruling what he had to play it off the green, he got to put it back. And so my question to you is, how, where does he place that ball because he doesn't know the exact spot. And that's supposed to be a thing.

There's a lot of things I know. So that's the one ruling. What's the second ruling was with Sam burns last week down at the Sanderson farms.

He's a son. Gosh, I forget what hole a hole maybe or something hits this drive and hits an overhead wire and his ball goes careening out to the right. He just stands up as he threw him another bomb pipes went right down the middle and went on like, no big deal. One of his playing partners was like, what's going on? He goes by ball hit the wire and his playing partner said I know, but he didn't realize it is a must replay. It could have hit the wire and gone in the hole.

And he has to replay that. And that is something I don't know if I've ever seen that on the PGA Tour before and you know, we play a lot of college golf, that that there are wires and all sorts of things. So that's one of the biggest shots. One of the biggest shots of my college career was at the San Joaquin Valley, the 18th hole. I'm coming down the third round.

We're very much in contention. I blocked my tee shot. It goes in the right rough. Somehow the ball sitting up. I hit this wild flyer lie three wood right at the pin hits the wire. I have to replay it. So now I have to drop the ball.

Of course, remember we dropped what shoulder hider behind her back, whatever it was at the time. And now that ball goes straight down about three and a half inches of rough. I'm hitting sand.

Wedge trying to slug it out 20 yards to get it to the fairway. So that easily could have cost me I don't know, somewhere between one and three shots. After I got mad, stopped and scoot and shake the next two shots. I think it cost me four shots. No, you had a good tournament there. Where did you finish? I did have a good time. I did have a good time.

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Hey, welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host Jay. I got Pearly with me and we're headed to the front nine. It's brought to you by the Ascension Charity Classic. We already know the dates next year, September 5th through 11th at Norwood Hills. Get there. Check it out. It will be fun. All right, we're going right to my interview with Taylor Twelman.

He is ESPN's lead analyst and a former MVP in the MLS. Taylor, good morning. Buddy, we are old. I'm 42 and you're introducing me as your nephew? Uh oh. Start over. Dude, make us younger. What the hell?

Start over. I know. I know.

Jay, go back to Taylor Delsing in Orlando, Florida. Oh, we've got to tell that story. We've got to tell that story. So folks, we are down at the Disney Classic which is, we played on the Magnolia and the Palm golf courses and they have a father-son golf tournament and you are how old? Five? No, I think I was a little older because remember my huge-headed brother was about, say it was nine.

I think nine is the safest bet on that. Okay, so they've got this really cool father-son golf event. Not father-child, father-son and of course I have four daughters. So your mom and dad and James who decided to go flying off the golf cart like right in the middle of one of our turns which we can talk about that later. But anyway, you and I got to play as a father-son so you were Taylor Delsing for an afternoon on the, I think they used to call it like the Wheelings, the Disney Wheelings.

Yeah. And we had so much fun together. I think we played with Doug Tool and his son. We did. And who was our third?

It was Raymond Floyd and his son. Well, and that's always weird. The best part of the whole thing for the listeners though Jay Bird is the fact that, the best part for me is this. And for anyone that knows me, you know how much I love golf, but Jay and I are sitting there and we're going to hit the ball mild. That's what we do. So we do that.

And obviously Doug Tool, Raymond Floyd, everyone in that group is like, wow, this group is going to be good. Until I five-putted the first green. Well, but we got to put a big asterisk there.

So Disney has got all of this property and they do things extremely well, except for the greens on their Little Links course because they were AstroTurf. Remember? And I remember on the first one I go, but this is going to be fast. And then I went and I went and got my wedge.

I didn't get the memo. I just went and got my wedge. I was like, I'll just go get my wedge. And then I chipped it back up there three feet. And then I got my wedge again. Remember? Yeah. It's not the Tiger Woods, Charlie Woods golf tournament that the viewers and the listeners are used to.

This was a lot different. Although I did get a plaque. It's somewhere. I don't know where it is.

Somewhere in this house. And it says Taylor delsing. And that was the end of that career.

I remember, I remember them calling you up to get that award as Taylor delsing. I'm like, I don't know if this is a good idea or not, but we're, we're, we're committed. We're too far along the line, man.

We can't turn back. So much, so much fun. Yeah. So, so how's it going, man?

Tell us a little bit. We are so excited here in the Lou, as you know, St. Louis city, which your dad has got such a huge part of, but Carolyn Kindle, the, the, the only female ownership in, uh, and, uh, MLS, the city of St. Louis, which is such a soccer Mecca tail. I mean, we are so excited to get this thing going.

Yeah. I mean, the one thing we have to tip our cap to is what the Taylor family has done. Obviously Carol Carolyn has done so much of that.

And she's the face of that, but everyone behind the scenes, the Taylor family did everything. And more because to do this in a pandemic to do this when inflation is through the roof and to over deliver with everything that they promise they promise the stadium. They didn't promise the stadium that they built because that stadium that they built is better than what they promised. They promised the training facility. It's better than what they promised. They've over delivered in all the important ways of building an infrastructure and setting the tone. Now, obviously an MLS next pro St. Louis city too, has had great success.

They'll be in the Western conference final this weekend. So they've just done a lot of things the right way, but that city loves it. There's few cities in America where soccer's at the fee at the heartbeat of what the city wants to be and what the city is all about. And so I just, I'm extremely grateful. I'm extremely humble in the sense that I am from St. Louis and I was raised that city made me who I am, but for that family to believe in what they're doing and to deliver what they're doing. Don Garber, every time I see him mentions, buddy, you didn't tell me that that's what this is going to be 50,000 plus season ticket deposits.

Jaybird 50,000. It's ridiculous, Taylor. I mean the, the, the Taylor family, I've had the pleasure of doing some business with them on the golf side and the, these people, the, the, the culture that they develop within their organizations. I mean, they, I sit around listening to dinner and Chrissy Taylor gets up there. And I mean, if she told me, come on, just, just jump off the table. We can fly. I'm going, she's just that kind of person.

She's dynamic. And so it's no surprise that these guys do things at the level they do it at Taylor. And we just finished the Ascension charity classic here in town. And of course, nobody on the champions tour is getting a courtesy cars for the players because of the pandemic and because of the crunch on vehicles, except St. Louis because of enterprise and national. Yeah, it's just what they do, Jay. They, but, but I think the most important part for the listeners is that they believe in the city. They love their city. They love St. Louis.

They stand for St. Louis. They wouldn't be doing this any other place in this country. And so, but they're going to also do it their way.

They want to do it their way. So it's going to be unique. It's going to be extremely exciting to see what that team is like in 2023 and beyond, and what Lutz Fannenstiel is building and what he's trying to do. And I just know on a personal level for my father to be involved with the community aspect and just to deliver a, I would say a service more so than a product to the community that's been underserved in so many ways. And yet soccer still always been there. I just, I think of the players that, you know, Albert pools, who I played Legion baseball with Ryan Howard, David freeze, all of these guys, Jay, that grew up in St. Louis that saw Bush stadium, saw the Cardinals.

They knew what to aspire. Jay, do you have any idea what that stadium is going to do for the sport of soccer? I don't think people fully understand when Jason Tatum for the Boston Celtics is telling me, buddy, did you see the stadium?

Like that. I don't think people fully understand what the impact is that it's going to do for that city, how it's going to make it more inclusive from people, North County, South County, West County, East County, everyone coming to the games. It's going to make downtown more fluent. Jay, I just don't think people can really fully grasp what's going to happen when that stadium opens up.

Taylor, there's no question. I have been blown away watching that thing come together and the, the. Oh, it's so state of the art, the location.

I know some of the things that happened to the Taylor family in this project with the state and on ramps and things like that. And these guys just took on hurdle after hurdle after hurdle seamlessly. And they said, we got this, we've got this. And the one thing that listeners don't get Jane, you and I have been there soldier field when they redid, it looked like a UFO landed in the old soldier field where my dad used to play, right? The difference for this state of the art, it doesn't look like it looks like it's been there for 25 years already. And that it, I, that I think people don't fully understand is that when you're driving downtown and you see it, you're like, Oh, that's, what's that? That's been the, it's not, it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb.

And I think people don't really get that. And when I first saw that, that was the first thing that stood out to me. I was like, wait a minute here. This is 2022. This is state of the art. And yet they did it in a way, kind of like Camden yards was done as the first new baseball stadium that had the retro feel to it.

And yet it was brand new. It's funny, St. Louis city kind of did theirs the same way. And I love it.

Taylor. That's a great analogy between soldier field and this, because I can remember driving, making that turn on 55 and going by and I'm like, what happened? It's like something from outer space came in, but to, to your point with what they've done is, is just incredible talent. Let's talk a little bit about, you mentioned something that is really dear to my heart sport and bringing people together. And, and there is nothing better in my opinion than watching a collective group pull together for one, one common cause. And to have the soccer groups and the fanatics and the fans be included in this now in our city, it's a really big deal, man. It's huge.

Yeah. I mean, soccer's culture around the world, Jay, it's still growing here in the States, but it's driven by the supporters. It's driven by the fan groups. And so it's different in the States in American sports because they're closed leagues.

There's not open, you know, it's not an open system. There's no promotion, relegation in the NBA, NFL, major league baseball, and so on. And so around the world, those supporter groups, those fan groups, their, their livelihoods for the most part depend on where that team is playing and how successful there are. So St. Louis city knew that if they're going to do this right, and they're going to do something that's way past my generation and the generations to come, it's going to be, have to be driven by the city. It's going to have to be driven by what makes St. Louis so special compared to other cities in the United States.

And that is about the fan base. This team better win. This team better be a great product when they open up because there's very few cities that have a standard by which you play the game, a standard by which you win the game. You know, people underestimate here in Boston and around this country, the St. Louis Cardinals, we've grown up with that team winning.

And if they're not winning 80% of the time, then there's something wrong. And so that's where this is going to be extremely unique. I think MLS is going to see something they've never seen before because it's not a big market. It is more of a Midwestern Southern market, you know, smaller markets, so to speak. And so when that comes and yet there's going to be sports talk radio talking about your St. Louis city five days a week.

Jay, I just the magnitude is actually hard to describe and hard to articulate because it's very hard to measure what that's really going to look like in the city will tell you're absolutely right. And that's why having the Taylor family as we go as we walk this back just a little bit is so crucially important because what the DeWitts have done when they stepped in in the late 90s and bought the Cardinals and and continued this extremely high level of standard is, it's, it's not easy to do look at around the major leagues, I'm not talking about just the big leagues in baseball, the NBA the NHL the NFL man you can't. How many teams have winning seasons back to back in the NFL anymore. I mean this is not an easy thing to do.

No, it's not. And especially when baseball you rely so much on your farm system and development. I mean obviously the Cardinals, you know, could be at the forefront of the top five best franchises in the sport for the last 5060 years, and they've done it at a monetary value that's a lot less than what the Dodgers Red Sox Cubs Yankees have done so that's where St. Louis City's more than likely going to aspire to be they're not going to spend with the likes of Toronto and Atlanta, and LAFC. However, with that Academy, and with the right, I would say spending on key players within the league.

I think that team should be successful, I think they have to be successful, and if not the fans are going to hold them accountable and there's not a better place to be. No, there really is until the growth of soccer you know we're both baseball junkies we're both sportsmen, we just love them all but baseball is really in a tenuous spot right now with just the length of the game the loss of spectators, but soccer's headed the other way. Give us some give us some feedback and your take on that because, as you said earlier it's growing so much in the US. Yeah, I think the most important thing to look at is the demographic by which every corporation is looking at and that's 18 to 35 18 to 38 however you want to define that, and baseball is not even on baseball is not even on the, on the radar. Three years ago Jay, to give the listeners a good idea of this, they did the top 100 quote unquote most popular athletes among that generation, and among that demographic, Mike it wasn't on the list.

There was one baseball player in the top 101, those Bryce Harper, and yet when you look at the list. It's littered littered with soccer players. And so I don't think people understand the magnitude of what the video game FIFA did. I don't think people understand the magnitude of we now versus when I was a kid can watch any soccer game in the world, and any given moment with the internet and with games being, you know, streaming and all of that so I can watch any soccer game I want, I could literally not watch a single game until the World Cup came around every four years as a kid. So the only thing I knew was 1990 in Italy 1994 and here in the United States, and then 1998, as I was going to Maryland, then all the Sun Champions League start showing up FIFA start showing up. And so, soccer has always been quote unquote the sport of the future.

Since my dad was playing in the NFL J. But now that future is actually here and what you're starting to see are measurable of how to define that the NHL is nervous at their ratings, not Stanley Cup playoffs that's different but the regular season ratings on ABC are the same as Major League Soccer. There's now measurables we're like, wait a minute, what's going on, baseball is the one that is sweating baseball, the one that is Fred, they don't know how to do it, they don't know how to fix it.

They're talking about shifts, they're talking about all this stuff. The kids do not, do not want to go and not run around and not be engaged because they don't understand how in 2022 with all the other options they have, they got to go to a baseball diamond for two, two and a half hours, have two, three at bats, maybe touch the ball two or three times. J, it's weird and people in St. Louis are going to think I'm not, it's not. The Aspen Institute showed the numbers, they've gone down like 600% in participation in the last 10 years. Nobody wants to play it anymore. If you look at the initiatives and things like that, they've fallen so far short of the things that they've tried to do and MLB, I mean, again, we're going to say this for the record, you and I are baseball lovers. MLB doesn't do anything right when it comes to trying to market their stars, to market their game. They just don't, they just seem to be completely out of step with our world today. Yeah, a lot of it is just, they're stuck on tradition and unfortunately if you're stuck on tradition, eventually enough people are not going to be around to remember what the tradition was. And that's the real issue with them. That's the real issue. It's always been that way.

And now they're chasing their tails a little bit, trying to figure it out. Now granted, the World Series will always rate, J. That's never going to go away. But the regular season games of 162, my man, I live in Boston, the Red Sox, the Red Sox this year are fourth in the city with regards to community outreach in the sense of, let me rephrase that, on how they are perceived in this market.

I'm going to say that again, the Boston Red Sox are fourth. It's not going to change, J. It's just not going to because sooner or later you and I are going to be gone. We're old farts, dude. We're going to be gone and everybody's going to go, yeah, I didn't grow up with it.

I didn't play with it. Okay, that's going to wrap up the first half of the Taylor interview, but don't go anywhere. John and I will be back with the back nine and wrap up the second half of the Taylor-Twilman interview.

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He's got probably a brand new set of clubs, which we got to talk about because you went to an unbelievable track and had a great experience from what I understand. All right, so we're going to jump to the conclusion of my interview with Taylor Twelman. So let's shift gears a little bit because you talked about tradition and I love to get your take on Liv. L.I.V., Greg Norman. And I'll share my opinions as well because I was a huge Jay Monahan fan, our commissioner, coming into this and I'm really disappointed in some of the things we do. But, Tilly, you talk about tradition and, you know, we look at the other leagues, the NFL and the AFL and all of the things that have happened across the ABA and the NBA, the WHL and the NHL and all of these leagues that kind of popped up.

And now we have Liv and we have Greg Norman and we have this disruptor and he loves that term and loves it to a degree that is a little nauseating for me. But what's your take? I'm going to start it with this as we get into it. First off, the biggest thing I have an issue with is the hypocrisy of all the parties involved. And here's what I mean by that.

I need the listeners to fully understand where I'm coming from here. Sports washing has been in sports for 35 plus years. F1 racing, soccer around the world. Now all of a sudden sports washing now comes into the golf world, which is 99.9% white, rich people. And now we have an issue with it. The hypocrisy from the media, the hypocrisy, listen, if someone wants to go do it, that's fine.

That's totally fine. Now I'm not saying I'm for Liv. What I'm really struggling with, Jay, is now all of a sudden the standards and the goalposts are now moving from media, the hypocrisy from the PGA Tour, for God sakes.

When you think about the PGA Tour, condemning Liv, condemning everything and then immediately four months later, Jay Monahan and the parties completely construct basically the Liv Tour now, but it's on the PGA Tour? The hypocrisy or Greg Norman? Miss me with the disruptor, dude. Who are you? You're not the disruptor. The Saudi money is the disruptor. You're the face of it.

So don't sit here and say take credit for it. So Jay, I am struggling with the entire coverage of it because everyone is being hypocritical of who they are and what they were. Where was this sports washing with Chelsea, with Manchester City, with Newcastle? F1 racing has been literally washing cash for 20 some odd years.

And I know a lot of your listeners have watched the Netflix series. What do you think that is, people? That's washing cash.

So now all of a sudden these white people, privileged white people, want to go do it and join that party. Now we have a problem with them. Like, wait a minute here.

It's either you're against washing or you're not. Where I understand where some of the, I would say, critical comments have come from is, Jay, the disingenuous comments from some of these players making this. If you literally just come out and say, you know what?

The money was too good. Nobody's going to, honestly, no one's going to even talk about you anymore. And here's my example.

Jay, you'll like this. Andy Pettit admitted to steroids. Does anyone talk about Andy Pettit?

Nobody does. White. He raised his hand. He said, I needed it. My arm was falling off. I didn't want to do the surgery. So it got me through the injury.

I did HGH. Nobody talks about him anymore because he raised his hand and said, yep, he was transparent. He was honest. So all these guys going to live, just come out and say it. But like Brooks Koepke here at Brookline in Boston comes down and says, I just want to play golf.

I just want to do this. Well, not really. You just wanted your brother Chase to get a $15 million payday and then you'd go, which is what happened.

So Jay, it sucks. I love golf. I love the fact that it's open.

It's very similar to my sport around the world with promotion, relegation, and you got to compete the Q schools, the most underrated competition in the entire world of sports. And so Greg Norman, quote unquote, the disruptor wants to come in and start a new thing. Sure. Go ahead.

No problem. But the coverage of it has just driven me nuts because quite honestly, I don't understand how now all of a sudden sports washing is a bad thing, but the same media people, Jay, that when Chelsea signed Christian Polisic and another player like, yeah, we got him. What do you think Abramovich was doing people? The analogies that you made with soccer and F1 are fantastic.

And the other thing for me, for these players to come out and say, Oh, I just want to grow the game. Oh, this is a great opportunity. Give me a break. Give me a break. The only person that, that, that, you know, and it's not one of my favorites, but Pat Perez is like, dude, the money was too high. I'm gone. This is like a lottery ticket for me.

I'm 46 years old. This guy hasn't broken 75, but a couple of times he's making all this dough and I don't begrudge them at all for taking the money. I can't stand the way that they just can't, they just can't man up. Jay it's so well said because Pat Perez to my credit, to your credit, I watch him. I'm like, he owned it.

I mean, Harold Varner, another one, he literally put an Instagram post and a Twitter post out there just saying, listen, I struggle with it, but my wife said, what do you want to do? And he's like, I'm going to use a lot of this money for my foundation. He owned it. He literally owned it. He wasn't disingenuous. He literally raised his hand and said, I'm sorry, I can't turn down this amount of money in my lifetime and not try to use it for good. Now I think all of them, Jay, are going to have a very, very, very difficult time if it stays up.

You and I can have another discussion when they don't play in the majors. That's going to be extremely difficult for them because I don't care how much money you make in the world, nobody has memories when you die. That money doesn't come with you. That money doesn't go with you.

None of your goods come with you. What comes with you is the memories and the experiences and what you did and how hard you competed. That's the intangible that nobody can quantify.

Nobody. And I'm telling you, Jay, I don't know if you saw it, but did you see A-Rod and Barry Bonds the other night on ESPN2? And they were talking about the Hall of Fame and everyone wants to sit here and tell me, yeah, but Taylor, look at them. They made 700 million. Really? And I saw two grown men that have a huge pit in their stomach of how they are perceived and how their legacy within the game is changed because of those steroids they did. Live tour.

If it doesn't work in the world rankings, don't give them enough to get in the majors. Jay, I get it. Great. You made 200 million. Awesome.

Congrats. What now? Because you're going to be watching every major and every tournament. Jay, it's a tough one for me to fully wrap my head around.

Because honestly, it's changing your sport for the next at least five to seven years. And I don't know what it means. I don't know what it means either, Taylor. I don't see a clear ending here.

And you can't tell me. So now I see next year's schedule supposedly has 14 events. They're going to be all over the place. And God only knows how they're going to be run, how many people are going to see there.

But you're not going to tell me that one of these guys isn't going to sit there and watch the Memorial event and have Jack Nicklaus and Barbara Nicklaus and the number one family of golf out there running this world class event on a phenomenally pristine golf course and seeing this great competition. And I know to the man that they're going to be, damn, I wish I could play that week. I know they are, Taylor. If they're saying they're not, they're full of baloney. They're lying. Yep, they are.

They are. Now granted, you and I both know where it's very different, Jay. And this is something that only you can speak of is golfers are mercenaries. It's up to you. There's no team, there's no union, there's no collective bargaining. And so the hard thing for people to wrap their heads around, especially when I'm at ESPN talking to the NFL and the hockey guys, and even some of the basketball guys that are now so much into golf where I think over the last 20 years, that sports gotten into more golf than ever. Jay, they don't fully understand how you guys operate.

It's up to you, my man. It's only you. It's you and your caddy. And you're on the golf course. You're mercenaries. And so for those players to be offered that amount of money, I get the human element.

I totally understand that. Golfers are not given guaranteed cash. You got to play. You and I both know the players at the highest of levels.

Dude, they're making guaranteed money. At the end of the day, I'm talking more golf than I ever have talked in my entire career. You know, I could talk to the wall.

In fact, I do talk to the wall sometimes, but I don't know where we're going with this. And Jay, more people at ESPN are talking golf than ever. And I've been there 13 years. So everyone's talking golf, and everyone's having the conversation. And I'll end this with it.

I go back to my point. Everyone's been hypocritical about it. Now, all of a sudden, sports washing's a bad thing. Now, where the hell have all of you been for the last 30 some odd years with F1 sports racing and world soccer, football, clubs?

Sports washing's always been there. Now you're concerned about it. That's where the conversation started. But the conversation is going to have to end at some point.

It's going to have to end with a middle ground. So the viewer and the consumer, which is also the most important part, is engaged with your product. Because if you separate the tours, you're literally separating the fan base.

And the ratings have already shown that with the PGA tour events that have been happening without the live tour players. I don't care if you like them or not. Bryson DeChambeau is electrifying. You want to watch him? You want him on your tour? Like, miss me with all this.

Patrick Reed, whether he's a cheater or not, he's engaged. There's something there. You want your guys playing in the big events. The consumer's going to honestly be the ones that hurt here, Jay.

And that's the worst part because then, ultimately, you're stunning the growth of your league and you're stunning the growth of your sport. Yeah, 100%. And, you know, Patrick Reed wears the black hat on the tour. Everybody likes watching the guy with the black hat every once in a while.

And the guy can play and he's mouthy and he's this and he's that. I mean, you need villains, Jay. We need villains. We can't all be like, you need villains. Villains sometimes are the best athletes in the world and they're the ones that you want to watch the most. You know, it's interesting, Taylor. The best two players in the last 25 years on the PGA Tour have brought more drama and more controversy into golf than Jack Nicklaus, Arnold Palmer, Raymond Floyd, Ben Hogan combined. It's an amazing world we live in and with Twitter and everybody having a voice, it's never-ending soon.

No, it's not. Taylor, my man, I could sit here and talk to you. I only got an hour and we're already burned up 45 minutes. It's like a normal Thanksgiving dinner. I know, right. And you and I are screaming at each other and we're having so much fun and we're all passionate about whatever the hell we're talking about, whether we're pitching pennies or we're trying to see who can eat the fastest.

Who the hell knows? But we all do it and it's a lot of fun. I so appreciate your time. Please keep doing what you're doing. And St. Louis City and soccer coming, the big time soccer coming back to St. Louis is so exciting for our family and for the city. I just can't wait. It's going to be a blast. And for the listeners at home, Jay and I have one thing in common. Off and wrong, sell them and don't. OK, folks, that'll wrap up the back nine.

But don't go anywhere. John and I will be right back with the 19th hole. This is Golf with Jay Dawson. Hey, we have just crowned our twenty twenty two champion and boy, what a champion he is.

Padraig Harrington took away the Ascension charity classic trophy and the three time major winner also grabbed the three hundred thousand dollar winner's first place check. We are already ramping up for our twenty twenty three version on September 5th through 12th at Norwood Hills Country Club. The final numbers are still being calculated, but the real winners are our North County community and our associated charities. They are Marygrove, the Urban League and the Boys and Girls Club of St. Louis. We hope to donate over one million dollars to these folks this year.

We don't want to leave out PGA Reach and the first tee as well. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, St. Louis, for all of your support and all you do to make this possible. Well, we just wrapped up our second Ascension charity classic presented by Emerson at Norwood Hills. Guys, one of the highlights of the massive hospitality presence was our veterans and first responders viewing deck brought to you by Marcon. Final numbers are not in yet, but as of the Friday before the tournament, September 2nd, we had over 700 of our men, women, first responders and firefighters apply for their complimentary tickets. Wow. What a great turnout. Thank you, Marcon, for all you do in our community.

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It's going to be a blast. So, Pearl, any other parting shots that you want to chat about with Taylor and his? I guess, John, what I was really, and he hit home so strongly, to me at least, was about the Saudi and all the other sports washing that's been going on for years and years and doesn't understand why everybody is so sensitive now that they're involved in the game of golf. Well, you and I have talked about that. We haven't really been buying into that part of it either. He also doesn't like the hypocritical vantage points or stories that the players and the PGA is telling and that kind of stuff. The one place I want to really challenge you guys, and we've talked on this a little bit, is when he's talking and you're talking about, well, we should have approached Greg Norman differently. We could have started.

We could have shared seasons. In my opinion, Greg Norman's ego and maybe the ego of the PGA Tour as well, nobody's going to share. I don't think there's any hope in anything like that. That's just my two cents. But when I've heard that argument, I just sit there and go, not a chance. Is the argument that, hey, maybe you should have given it a shot? Okay, maybe. But I think giving it a shot from the PGA standpoint is you're automatically offering a sense of credibility, if you will.

And I don't think that that's the right hand that they wanted to play either. So I just think with the – I don't know Tim Fincham. You mean Jay Monahan? Jay Monahan. I didn't know Tim Fincham either for the record, but I definitely don't know Jay Monahan either. I don't know him, but what I know of Greg Norman, again, great player, great sportsman, et cetera, but ego the size of whatever room you're in.

Yeah, John, I spent obviously way too much time on this. The only thing that I could think of that would be some way of coexisting was that way because try to keep some of our sponsors intact. Try to keep some of the tradition of the PGA Tour intact and try to fold this thing in. But to your point, it was a long shot at best that, A, the PGA Tour not even amicable to that decision. And Greg Norman I don't think would have gone for it either. Well, and if he did, he would have said, great, I got my foot in.

It won't be too long before I got the whole thing. So, yeah, I just don't see that as a starting point because they already know his MO. This isn't the first time down this path for him. No, it's not. You're absolutely right.

All right. So, John, one of the things I want to talk about, and we don't have a lot of time to talk about this, but I did some digging about what are some of the cooler things that people may not know about tour players and their caddies and stuff that goes on on the PGA Tour. And I started thinking about how cool it is once a player and their caddy win together. And the tradition of taking the 18th whole flag and the flagstick home with them to the caddies as a sort of memento. And it's like the supercharged trophy for a PGA Tour caddy to get that 18th whole flag to get their player to sign it for them. And there's all sorts of drama around this. First of all, I read an article, they tried to figure out where this was started, and nobody could come up with the origin of it.

They just know that, oh, gosh, it's been around as long as we can remember. Second of all, there's a funny story about Pete Bender, who used to caddy for Greg Norman. And in 1986, Norman won the British Open at Turnberry. And they're standing on the 18th green, and Pete is trying to unscrew the flag. You know how they've got that little washer and nut on the top of the flagstick holding onto the flag. And he's trying to take it off, and all of a sudden, the greenskeeper from Turnberry runs up to him and says, what are you doing? And he goes, this is the 18th whole flag, and we just won the tournament. This is my souvenir, my trophy. And the guy snatches it out of his hand and takes off running and goes, you're not taking this one.

So he didn't get it. So Greg and Pete Bender, along with Greg's wife, are sitting in the crowd the next day, and Pete tells them the story. And Greg says, go down on the green right now and go get the cup out of the hole. So Pete runs down there, gets a screwdriver, plops the cup out of the hole, and he's got that cup that was on the 18th green as a souvenir. That's even a better souvenir. I like that. And then there was a bunch of drama. I don't know if you read the Mickelson book, but Phil would never let Bones have any of the flags. He wound up taking them all himself and giving them to a grandparent.

Just some really odd stuff. But I really think that tradition is really cool. I've only won two tournaments of note, you know, where that was a thing. But getting that flag stick and that flag on the 18th and having my caddie take it, see how proud he was. And, you know, it's almost like you came through the battle and you made it out in this.

I got a nice pad check and some other cool memories that they did, too, but they got the flags, the flag stick and the flag. And it was I don't know. I thought it was pretty, pretty neat.

I thought it's interesting because I don't know. People know about that. Well, and I think it's been going on at least for quite a many years, I would guess. But when Hideki's caddie did it at the Masters, it kind of bowled to the golf course, if you remember. That kind of took it to the next level as far as a tradition. And maybe maybe a tradition was more identified by the general public because they played that scene with that picture a lot. That was an awesome picture. Well, and there was so much respect and there was just so much you could tell, like this caddie was super humbled by the whole experience and that he was getting to, you know, to do this.

And obviously it was I mean, maybe it planted out in his mind, but we'd never seen anything like it before. Yeah, no, I think it's awesome. And, you know, you could talk about the caddies probably all day long. Most of those guys are out there for the experience to be in the ropes. You know, yeah, they want some money.

Of course, everybody needs money to live. But that next level, if they can take something with them that they can have forever, make that kind of special. That goes a long way. That goes a real long way.

It absolutely does. Pearl, that is going to do it. We got another show in the books. Well, actually, thanks for doing this with me. And we will be back at them next week, Pearl. Sounds good. Sounds good. Have a great week.

All right. Hit them straight, St. Louis. Hey, we have just crowned our 2022 champion. And boy, what a champion he is. Padraig Harrington took away the Ascension Charity Classic trophy and the three time major winner also grabbed the $300,000 winner's first place check. We are already ramping up for our 2023 version on September 5th through 12th at Norwood Hills Country Club. The final numbers are still being calculated, but the real winners are our North County community and our associated charities. They are Merry Grove, the Urban League and the Boys and Girls Club of St. Louis. We hope to donate over one million dollars to these folks this year.

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