Scott Fawcett Decade Golf Take 2-Sunday, -Golf With Jay Delsing

This is golf with Jay Delsingh. A two-time college All-American at UCLA. A participant in nearly 700 PGA Tour events.

Seven professional wins to his credit. Over 30 years of professional golf experience. This is Golf with Jay Delsingh. Hey, good morning.

Golf with Jay Delsingh is on the air. This is Jay. I got Pearly with me. Pearly, good morning. How are we doing? Doing great, Jay. Looking forward to the second part of the Scott Fawcett interview and a couple other highlights that are going on in the golf world.

Absolutely. We have Scott Fawcett with Decade Golf. We talked briefly, not briefly, we had the entire show last week on Scott and Decade Golf.

Let's just talk about that. Let's jump right in, John. We formatted a show like Around the Golf and the first segment is called the On the Rain segment. It's brought to you by our friends at the Gateway section of the PGA. We really appreciate these guys.

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TP5, pretty damn cool. We'll get to Decade Golf in a little bit. We had the entire show and dedicated that entire show to Decade last week. But John, Rory McIlroy, we haven't had a time because of our remotes and things to talk about him becoming world number one. A lot of significance here in my opinion. Rory has risen to the forefront in such a strong way. Not only with the way his golf game and the shape that his golf game's in, but just the things that he's come up to be a real leader, John, on tour, against Liv, pro PGA tour, and about growing the game.

Yeah. And for me, I think it's about his personal growth. I think he is so comfortable in his own skin, believes what he can and can't do. He's still a very humble guy. He's a family man now. Pulled all of life together. And man, he's going to be tough, I think, for the near future and maybe beyond because he's just in a good sweet spot in life.

Wow. Is he absolutely playing up a storm? He's definitely in that situation where he doesn't even have to play his best to win.

And that's pretty special. When you're out there thinking you've got to hit everything perfect back to Decade Golf in some matters, most likely you're not going to win. But when you're out there like, hey, if I play my game, I'm probably going to win.

It's beyond being competitive. He's probably going to win. There's a lot going on for Rory. You know, it's supporting the tour, but he's a Euro. He's born in Ireland. He is on the other side of the Ryder Cup battles, and he has watched Sergio and Poulter and Westwood and the guys that he's battled with for the last over a decade.

Here's that word again, Decade, but for that long, and they're not going to be playing. Well, it's interesting. When you just called him a Euro, I was like, I kind of like recoiled on that. I'm thinking, yeah, you know, he is. But he's kind of transcended that. He's kind of just the spokesman for professional golf going forward and kind of carrying the torch as far as how to behave, how to speak, how to play, etc. So I think he's, yes, he's European, but he's kind of the world golf dude right now, which is pretty cool. That was a great word to transcend this because I feel like that's exactly what he's done.

He is. He's risen above all of the mess and all the slop, and he's taken the high road, and it's been impressive, and it's been fun to watch. You know what happens, though, when those guys get up to that level, the rest of the world starts chopping them down and finding things wrong with them and everything else. So we'll see how he weathers that.

I mean, everybody that seems to ascend to the very top, all of a sudden they're the top dog to get the potshots. So hopefully he can weather all that. My guess is he can because I think he's taken a lot of potshots for a lot of years. Well, yeah, and he's already been world number one. So, you know, for him to regain that crown, so to speak, is impressive.

It's been fun to watch. I mean, he's been so, so close to knocking off a couple of majors here and there, especially the British Open, the Cam Smith one with a phenomenal round on Sunday, a 64, and I think a 30 on the back nine at St. Andrews. Well, when we're already started swinging that putter head, which he will do because he does on some occasion, when he can do that consistently, I don't think anybody's going to get him anymore. I think he's tightened it up and it's golf, right?

So it happens, but I think he's just taken it to the next level. But I am looking forward to, as we've discussed, him swinging that putter head and not dragging that swing through just ever so slightly, which is why those putts just barely don't go in. A little bit more swinging and he's working with Faxon, I believe. I don't know if he still is or not, but Faxon certainly knows that. And so when he can get Roy to actually do it on the golf course consistently, man, titty bar the doors.

Yeah, it's right. It's I mean, John, it's almost comes almost every single time comes down to whether his how, whether his putters to what degree his putters on. Let's say that because he's still shooting a lot of really low scores without holding a significant amount of putts. Well, but that's the Scott Faucet decade golf program because nobody drives it better than Rory. Some people might be a little bit further, but nobody's as accurate and nobody swings. Gosh, I wish I could do anything in my life as freewheeling as he does with his driver. I mean, you talking about just getting up there and just cold cocking that thing.

And he's not that big of a guy. It's just kind of fun to work. So it's not surprising, again, with the subject matter we have last week showing this week's show with decade golf. We're also talking about the number one player in the world who maybe if nothing else, just naturally does some of those key things that Scott Faucet talks about.

OK, guys, so decade golf, it's an acronym for distance expectations, correct target, analyze, discipline and execute. And so what this is in a nutshell, we don't want to give a spoil too much of this interview that's coming up with Scott Faucet here on the front nine. But what it does is in a nutshell is it has analyzed data over the last 15 years on the PGA Tour. And it has produced those those that data itself has produced this program that was the brainchild of Scott Faucet.

He's used that data. He's he's a card player. He's a poker player. All of that stuff is about knowing what the odds are, knowing what the chances of of you pulling a card are compared to what your opponent's chances are and and trying to use these odds in your favor. And it's it's a fun it's a fascinating component, John, to the rest of the technology based PGA Tour where it comes to supreme power and all of the new equipment and the ball. And now a strategy on how to play the game, which we're debating, which is the most powerful. And, you know, I'm not sure which comes first, chicken or the egg.

They're all important, but I'm not sure that this won't end up being the most important. I agree, Pearl. You put a guy that's got talent and got that sort of game to play on the PGA Tour that can adhere to a system like this.

You got a champion. Well, let's put it this way. I'll take a lesser player that doesn't adhere to this system against a super talented player that doesn't understand this process. And I will take that lesser player over and over the course of time, which is what Scott talks about. Hey, one thing before we move on to the interview, I'm kind of excited about this because I think this is the last time of the year.

Maybe we'll even have to talk about this. What's a quick update on the live? Didn't they just kind of wrap up? They did. They wrapped up their season in Miami. DJ came out of there with thirty six some odd million dollars. Pat Perez came out there with eight and a half million, all sorts of crazy, crazy numbers. Phil Mickelson was Phil. He was out the first day. Cameron Smith whipped his ass in the in the individual thing for their team.

It was it was all over the place. I didn't see any of the numbers yet. I'll I'll I'll get some information report back on there. But it's you know, it's over. They played eight events next year.

There's going to be 14. They still have no television deal, John. And one of the things that the golf world was looking forward to before L.I.V.

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Absolutely. All right, so let's just jump to Scott Fawcett. He is the creator, the founder of Decade Golf. So you're mentioning how taking the decision-making out of the players' hands, so to speak, and going along like Stuart Sink has done.

There's an intangible component there that I'd love to investigate a little bit with you, because there's a lot of pressure and stress that's relieved there, especially for a guy like me. I bet you, you know, you were a good enough player. Obviously, you played on tour forever, but also you weren't an all-time great. I bet you have aimed away from a pin, like, so a pin's four yards from the left. You know I should aim five yards right of it, but then you kind of hope you pull it.

Like everybody on tour that I work with who is like you of the modern day, like a great player, but also we're not talking DJ. A hundred percent of them are like, oh my God, I did that six times around. You've never sat on a driving range once in your life and thought, I hope I pull it five yards. But now you're sitting out there on what is kind of by definition a hard shot, which is why you know you should be aiming five or seven yards right of it. Like that by definition is a hard shot.

That's why you're doing this, either the length of the shot or the surrounding hazards or whatever, is why you know you're aiming away from it, and then you kind of hope you pull it. And so that's where this wishy-washy mindset comes in. And if there's anything that I actually do think that I've brought to the forefront in the game, like I get it, a lot of what I've added a lot of math to what a lot of the great psychologists, the Dr. McCabe's, the Rotella's, these guys that are just great at what they do. But as a player, I'm like, well, yeah, but y'all wouldn't believe some of the dumb stuff we think.

And I think that one is front and center of the dumb stuff we think and do. You know, again, like Dr. McCabe's one of my best friends. He's clearly one of the best sports psychiatrists out there. But there's just this intangible of what we as players do where you're just like, God, that is just so stupid. It's incredible.

And so really giving yourself a basis of why to make this decision, which again is why I work so well with so many of these sports psychologists. We work so well together. I'm like, wow, I don't know.

I started to say a player right there. I don't know why that guy is thinking this thing. Hey, Brett, you get him to stop thinking that thing and I'll get him to think of targets better. It's why we work so well together because it's like, dude, that's a dumb thought.

And here's a dumb other thought. Man, you're talking about my career in a nutshell there right there. Try being a 49-year-old amateur who, again, I went to Q school.

I was trying to think of it earlier. I think I went to Q school five times in my 20s and I was for sure a better player physically, obviously, than I am a quarter of a century later. But I just had no clue how to play the game. I went to Q school five times in my 20s. I made it to second stage once. And I didn't even sniff getting through second stage that year. I entered Q school again as a 35-year-old amateur as well as it, you know, 2009, 10, 11 and 12. And I think I made it to second stage three of the four times I entered then.

And I'm not saying I actually don't. I do not think I'll make it through this week. My body is not doing well, but I'm at a minimum pretty damn close. And that's where it's like, oh, my God, I'm just thinking better. I'm outthinking all of these kids and I'm driving it well. But aside from just hitting a stop cut off the tee and then just trying to hit the club face with a nine iron.

But there's not much else to it. You also hit the ball. How far do you hit the ball off the tee, though, Scott?

Come on. You hit the ball three, three thirty, three forty. I mean, I've got well, but again, like right now, as I'm recovering from my Charles Barkley inspired injuries, my boss, it's about one seventy two maybe in tournaments right now. Maybe it's one seventy five.

But it's it's it's probably two or average or a little bit higher. But I'm I'm by no means long. I mean, Cameron Young would be hitting at hundred past me. I'm playing with donkey tomorrow.

Brad Dahlke, who obviously lost the U.S. amateur in the finals. And I think he hits it pretty hard. I'll be interested to see how I fare against him because I do think I'm driving.

I've driven it really well this week, which again, from there, there's just not much left to the game. And that's again, these things that are just so interesting. If you think of the all time greats of the game, they're all great drivers. The Greg Normans, Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus. I mean, I'll even throw guys like Kenny Perry, Tom Lehmann, guys like that that just were out there for ever and played great. They just did the same thing every single time. And if it didn't fit the hole, they just did something else. I would love to I would love to know if Tom Lehmann ever just stood up somewhere.

It's like, well, rather than hitting my stock draw here, I'm going to try to cut it around this corner. I just highly doubt he did. I don't know that to be a fact. But I do know that, like when Tiger was playing his best, let's call that early 2000s, I shouldn't say playing his best, driving at his best. The people that I've talked to like, man, he just kind of hammered a cut with his driver and a draw with his irons.

And that's ball position, right? That's where when I start talking like Xalator, I'm a huge proponent of this mini driver that I've got right now because I cut my driver exclusively and I draw. I can work my mini driver both ways.

It's about a 13 degree tailor made mini driver. But I can work it both ways because I can alter the ball position. So I'm altering swing path with ball position, not changing my swing. And that's you can't just stick a driver that is exiting left from up in your stance. You can't move that back, you know, four balls because it's only got eight degrees to begin with. So you just you just have to hit the same shot with with your driver only and then you can kind of work your drive, your three wood or mini driver.

But that's where, you know, again, I got myself in trouble with Faxon and Dan Hicks, obviously, on Twitter during Will's, you know, Xalator's win in FedEx. But the one thing I wish I could have said is on 18, when he kept on hitting driver because Will took my mini driver out and he played with it the week before. And I'm like, dude, just put this thing in your bag because when you get up on a hole like 18 in Memphis, just hit a draw mini driver. Three wood is Sepp Straka illustrated isn't quite long enough to take the water out of play.

Driver, the shape doesn't really fit the hole, but a mini driver is just perfect. And we just don't need three within the par fives very often. I think it was a totally useless club. Gosh, it's so interesting because when when I played, I tried to hit my three wood because I could hit it the fairway. And then when I think back about it, I'm like, I'm not sure how many fairways I hit with my three wood because I never played that.

You know, the strategy just it wasn't it wasn't sound thinking. And I when I think back at Tiger in the Tiger five and how the simplicity. Scott of this is just it's staggering, but it makes so much sense when I kind of review how he played.

The problem is we get bad, we get confirmation bias. I played in one PGA Tour event, the nineteen ninety nine years open at Piners. And I swear to God, this is this was my thought process on number one. And it was Harrison, Harrison Frazier, if you're listening, I blame this on you. Harrison told me the first time he played in the U.S. Open, he was so nervous on one tee. He was like, I knew as an iron off the tee, but I didn't want to hosel and play.

I'm like, that makes sense to me. So I didn't want to hit drive because I'm like, I'll just hit three within play and then I'll knock it on the green. And so I literally hit three would off the tee on number one at Piners and I put it in the fairway and I had a seven iron left. And I put it on the green to 18 feet and I to put it apart and moved on to two tee.

And I'm like, I'm a genius. No, you literally you will hit the fairway more often with three within driver. And for most people, it's like five to seven percent of the time. But one hundred percent of the time you will be 30 or 40 yards longer. And that's just getting back to like the idea of if we're flipping coins and every time you win, I give you 10. And every time I win, you give me 20. That's a bad trade. Hitting five to seven percent more fairways while having one hundred percent of them being 30 or 40 yards longer. That's a bad trade.

And so you should be hitting driver almost everywhere you possibly can. And then figure it out. You just won't. I'll just put this three within play.

It's just not how it works. Scott, how tell us how decades do and tell us about the app. Tell tell folks how they can get in touch with you. I know you're such a you're such an authentic, open guy. I mean, I know you'll respond to people if they want to reach out to you.

What's the best way? Honestly, at this point, if you just Google Decade Golf, you'll find it. I do hate saying it because it's my app, but it really does a great job of eliminating what we all hate after every round of golf. Just the stupid mistakes. You know how it's doing. I mean, honestly, I just sent off this morning. Not this morning, yesterday morning to the PGA Tour. I had thirty seven guys on the PGA Tour this week that I've worked with. And it is, you know, 30.

It's 30 to 45 every single week. And again, most of them are the younger players. So these younger players that are coming out of college, you know, Morikawa attended my seminar in college. Obviously, he's done great work with Rick Sessinghouse. Colin told me, he's like, you know, it's nothing new. It quantified a lot of what we're working on, but it's all the same thing. So you've got, you know, Doc Redmond, Bryson, Maverick, Xalator.

It's like it's just it's it's endless. And so when you see why is this the tour making this shift younger. It's not like something special happened with younger players all of a sudden where they've got better skills, which obviously actually shouldn't say that they do. They better instruction, better. Yeah, they do. But also they just understand how to play the game like a 32 year old tour player.

That's it. I mean, you just that was that was posted this on Twitter back when we'll finish second at the Masters last year. And all of the announcers were freaking out about like, God, this kid just seems so composed. That literally goes back to the Texas Center in 2014. And I'll finish with this in the 16th fairway in the practice round of the Texas amateur that year. Will it will hits the ball really good. Maybe you've noticed he doesn't.

Yeah, but we get out there in the fairway and the 16th hole the practice round and he hit just another shot to three feet. And I picked up the bag and I started walking. He's like, and he's wrong. He's like, you know what? I got a really good feeling about this week. And I literally I set the bag down and I'm not kidding. I grabbed him by the shoulders and I looked at me and this is a quote, actually, in an article he wrote. And I looked in the air and I said, dude, you're going to win this tournament as long as you do exactly what I tell you to do.

And this wasn't what I tell you to do statement. It's like, as long as you play this game correctly. But if you start thinking about I'm going to win this tournament, I've got a really good feeling like we're in trouble. What's up? What's up with just what? There's there's a there's a thing that companies do when they fail. It's called a post mortem. What went wrong?

I was doing I was doing a pre mortem. What's going to go wrong? And I thought, what's going to get how is this kid not going to win this week?

And the only thing I came up with is he's going to focus on winning. And I said, dude, I'm telling you right now, I want you to not think about winning this golf tournament again until we pick the ball up out of the 72nd hole. Period. And we're and we literally we laughed about it the entire week.

There were three or four times every single day. I said, you haven't won yet. You realize that. And he would even joke to me like, have we won yet?

Like, no. And I actually forgot to tell him I had this whole thing and I was too busy crying on the side of the green. But I had this whole thing planned. Like, I start to tear up right now. Like, it's such a great experience. But I had this whole thing planned out.

We're on the 18th hole. I was just like, say, hey, dude, you want you can relax. And I forgot until I was driving home and I sent him a text like, hey, I forgot to tell you now you can relax. You won. But we have we've rallied on that constantly. And Saturday night before he won in Memphis, I literally sent him a text as like, look, dude, I know you've been close.

I know you know what you're doing. But just think back to the Texas amateur that year. We we rallied. We literally focused on not trying to win again.

Not trying to win is the wrong way saying, but like, no, I don't thinking about winning. Right. You just stay in the shots and just see what happens. Yep.

Yep. And it's just that's the key to everything. You just you start making emotional decisions. And again, that's I've got plenty of detractors and haters, whatever. And I think that's what most of them don't realize is all I'm trying to get people to do is realize stay in the present moment. Once you start getting ahead of yourself, emotion starts coming into play.

And I've had a number of even a couple of different announcers who actually get along with fairly well now. But initially they told me I always played better with emotion and I told them, no, you didn't play as good without emotion. It's it's it's it's not semantics either. You can't play better than you are. You just weren't trying on Thursday. But once you put yourself into the battle on the back then on Sunday, you thought you were clutch.

No, you were just paying attention. Right. And that's all we're trying to accomplish for people.

And again, not just for golf, for life. Like that's my bigger mission with everything. Teaching people meditation and just everything is like we've got a lot of stuff to figure out here in this world right now. We're really trying to help people understand that some meditation, remaining present, lack of emotional control. That's what's going to help us get back on track as a world.

All right. That's going to wrap up the front line in the first half of this interview with Scott. It's actually the third part.

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I hope you enjoy. Give us a quick update please on Will and how the injury is going and when we'll get to see him play again. My understanding is he's doing good. He's got some herniated discs but my understanding is the treatment he's doing good. It's not herniated. I had some herniated discs in my neck that were three and five millimeter. They told me those will actually retract. So the herniation will actually come back in. So I'm assuming, I haven't asked Will exactly how many millimeters his discs are herniated. But since they're not doing surgery, I'm assuming it's in that three to five millimeter range and personally I can speak from experience. They actually did.

I didn't do anything for like a year and a half and they did so. But this is the thing that's hard, man. I do think that golf isn't is a twenty five year career anymore. I think that it's more not quite a fullback.

But this is a violent game and hitting it further is the most important thing you can do to get better golf period. Like it is the number one thing. And so you get a guy like Will who's six three. He actually is one hundred and seventy five pounds. People don't believe that because you see these frail arms. Well, if that dude could take his pants off, I haven't seen with the pants off, but I've seen the shorts on that guy's legs like Fred Couples.

You've probably seen. Oh, yeah. Powerful legs.

He couldn't he couldn't fit in cowboy boots if he had to. Yeah. Will is the same way. And so you get these frail guys like Will, like Tiger. They are going to have lower back problems.

Again, I'm six one to twenty. I've never had a back problem. I've had upper neck problems, but not back problems.

You look at guys like me, Bryson, Mickelson, Nicklaus. We don't have back problems because we're just big dudes. You're thicker. You're thicker.

And the slender guys are going to get you have those. Yeah, it is what it is. And again, this is where, like people talk about changing is to me a swing.

And I'm like, no, he just he needs to make seventy five million in about 12 years and then figure out something to do with his life because he's probably going to be hurt. Like, I don't think you can slow his swing down and him like Jamie said, Lasky is a guy who's wiry. Yeah, but try to slow that swing down.

No way. You can't play. But but but Scott, that also doesn't make him who he is.

That's you're taking away like his left arm and like, OK, now go. You can't do that. And you can't have the same player.

It doesn't work like that. And again, that's that's my point is like, well, sure, if you want him to have this injury free twenty five year career, maybe they can do something else. But but then he wouldn't be the same guy. Nicklaus, his longevity and greatness was as much. And again, I actually shouldn't say this because but I'm assuming he wasn't injured very often because he finished in the top in the majors every single year. That was his greatness was just being a big dude.

I really do mean that to like Jack, you're the second goat. My surrender is he's the greatest major champion of all time, but he's not remotely close to Tiger in form of as far as the best the game's ever been played. And and I think that's just a function of body type. I really do believe that.

Well, I mean, you run into slippery slope to go compare ages and everything. But I mean, let's be honest, if Tiger doesn't get that have that Thanksgiving Day massacre that happened to him out in Orlando, he's blown up every single record that we have. Scott, let's be honest. I mean, he's he's going to have 30 majors.

I mean, come on, literally. But he's definitely still going to have injuries. No doubt the back problems aren't going away. And yes, that is probably a lot of Navy SEAL training, but it's also a lot of his body type. And I shouldn't say because he's obviously a huge dude. It's his mid.

Yeah. Maybe maybe I'm just compensating as a fat guy, but I'm a pretty big guy with a 37 inch waist and Tigers like a 32. Like you just he's just Braille in the middle, which is kind of where it counts. Well, for the examples that you used with Mickelson, Jack and some of the thicker guys, Trevino and things like that, you know, they were always thick around. Look at Ernie else.

Same way. Ernie's Ernie's six foot three, three and a half. But he weighs 230 pounds and he's got a 40 inch waist.

There aren't men. There are fat guys that have had back problems. There aren't many guys in that six foot five, eleven to six, three, one ninety to 220 ish range that have just had back problems. We don't have my hips are maybe 30 degree open at impact.

Whereas Wills are 90. Yeah, exactly. And there you go. That extra torque is the killer.

I mean, it also gives him all the speed. But I mean, there's look, it's like anything else got right. There's there's gives and takes. There's ying and yang on both ends of the spectrum here. One hundred percent. Yeah.

But again, that's why I like like where I got so mad, like there's yin and yang is here. His first five years on tour, all they talked about was this guy's going to need to change his swing. And finally, after five years, like, you know, he kind of stripes it. That's all.

That's the only thing I'm trying to push along when I argue on Twitter about salad horses putting like, hey, I don't disagree, man. I don't want to I don't want to watch his fourth. But like if it was a four footer for my life and it was him or someone else, I'd be like, can I take someone else?

But also, he's three percent worse than two or average. It's it's just not that big of a deal. It just looks so uncomfortable. That's what the problem looks gross.

I'm not disputing that it looks disgusting. But guess what? I've watched that up close more than anyone else on this planet. And there's times even back to your sugar when he was putting with a short putter, I'm like, how does this thing keep going in exactly?

It keeps going in. And that's I swear to God, like as I'm sitting here in Q school, haven't played a whole lot of golf. And but every single four foot putt, you can ask the guys I'm playing with. I literally have held my putter out, not by measuring it like if you're measuring to see if it's in the leather. I've kind of been doing that on the three to four foot range to show myself. This is a ninety five percent putt. Yeah. Just shut up and put it. Just shut up and put it like I literally like I bet you the guys in my group don't realize that's why I'm doing it. But I've done that on at least I bet six putts or seven putts.

And guess what? Even still, I missed one of them. Yeah.

But also it's not the big deal. I'm positive strokes and putting because I have good speed. I've made a decent amount of mid-range putts this week.

Yeah. Got a best of luck in the school. We got to keep you on the show.

This is really super fun. We got to get you some rest. What's that? We can't just talk until November. Yeah, exactly.

We don't want you to miss your tea time. But man, we definitely know you're the oldest guy in the Corn Fairy qualifying school tournament this week. We know that for sure.

We wish all that is most likely also synonymous with the dumbest. Thank you so much for being on. Thank you.

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Pearl, go ahead and open one. Well, I'll tell you one thing. I got to get a little bit more comfortable with how straightforward Scott is. He's more endearing to me now. He's quite the character. As you mentioned last week, he can certainly be abrasive. But to me, the more I hear him, the more I hear his fun stories. What a character.

I mean, what a character across the board. And I'm glad that you pressed him on, by the way, on how far he hits the ball. Because I guess he's extra long. Extra, extra, extra, extra long. So, but his system still works whether you're extra long or not extra long.

I just think it's a little easier these days to play when you're that long. There's so much good stuff. It's so thick with interesting stories. The one I have to take away, and I had a question for you. So, Stewart Sink going out there, buys the app on his own on the side. You know, it's a crazy surprise. Because tour players don't normally buy anything. So, I'm surprised he didn't ask for five free ones. That's a good point. Then he goes out there and wins. Not only wins once, wins twice. I have a question, though.

Inside Baby Scoop, possibly. His son, Stewart Sink's son, Reagan, who carried for him. Also, about that time, I'm pretty sure announced that he was going to go and caddy full-time on tour.

Do you think it's because of this system and him being one of maybe the foremost guys of having the experience of walking a tour player through wins with the decade system? I was just wondering that off the cuff. It's a good point. I mentioned to you the open one because we're on the 19th hole brought to you by our boys at the loading dock. Go ahead. Sorry, I'm so excited. I know, you forgot to open your cocktail beer. Anyway, thanks to the Allen family for supporting the show. Wait a second, wait a second.

The loading dock, I'm opening two. Yeah, you got to 618-556-7951. Great place to go. John, the point about Stewart Sink, he hadn't won a tour event in over 11 years, John. He was what, 47 years old. Finally gets back in the winner's circle. John, it didn't stop with one. He won multiple times. I know, I know. That's what I was saying.

You know what's so cool is Stewie has been on the show. We should get him back on the show and talk about this and let him break it down and talk about why this is so important, what's so important about it, and what is so meaningful to him. I think that'd be a great thing, even if it's just a shorter blurb. I think this is something we should carry forward and continue to investigate a little bit more. The other most stunning piece to me, which I didn't think at all coming through this, was when Scott Boston starts talking about how many of the young players are up and coming that are using this system.

And he's, of course, in his abrasive way, said, What do you think it is? They're better players. They're not better players.

They have a better system that they're playing under. It was like, ding! That went off for me. I thought that was fascinating. I think I buy into it.

What do you think? I'm going to say they're still better. I'm going to say they're still better. I believe they're better. I think they're bigger, they're stronger, they've had better training. But, like we said, this is a game changer, Pearl. But now they have a better system.

They're all those things. But I guess my point is, all those things you just mentioned, why they're better, didn't just happen in the last 12 months. I mean, this has been kind of trending, so why is it so much more dramatic? It's another thing that I think is why the health of the golf world, the professional golf world is so healthy. There is so many good players. I'm such a golf geek. I watch these European events.

I watch the Asian events, that kind of stuff, whatever I can catch on TV. There are so many good players, Jay. Week in, week out, there are so many good swings out there. So that is happening. But taking on this approach is a huge piece.

Oh, there's no question about it. But plus, John, when you can say, look, my decision-making was off today. I put myself, I tried to hit shots I shouldn't have tried to hit. That's different than saying I made a bad swing. I mean, you know how difficult the PGA Tour golf courses are? You can be six inches off from 200 yards, John, and talk about the difference between a birdie and a double bogey.

Absolutely. And I mean, that's what we're talking about here, and that's why it's so crucial because the razor's edge is so fine. Stay away from that and get that thing out and play more towards the mean. Play more towards the safe side. As Scott talked about, play to not make mistakes. Give yourself more room for error. And, John, what do you think?

Here's what I've seen. One of the things that struck me about Zalatoris is how calm he looks. And you want to know why he looks so calm, John?

Because he's… It's a decision for me. Exactly. And, Pearl, he's got a lot of control over his golf ball already, and he's not trying to knock the flags down. Hey, Jay, but when you're calm, when you're relaxed, when you're confident, you're going to have more control in your golf ball.

You have less when you're none of those things. I also love when he came out and said, you know, these guys are playing to the right side, the left side, this angle, that angle. He said, sorry, you're not that good.

And I love what you and him agreed to. I think you were talking about a layup floor iron when he had a 20-yard wide fairway. That was a number six at Wing Foot. Oh, he's talking about a fairway with a four-yard or five-yard in our hand when it was 20-yard wide. Just wanted to kill myself. Just wanted to kill you and kill you first and then maybe myself if I still needed to.

But the point is, you're right, John. And he's like, all of a sudden we thought, you know, we were swinging poorly. It's just, you're not there. You're not, you don't have nearly the control over your golf ball that you think you do.

Just that one stat caught me too. From 160 to 180 yards. How about this? When they go to the back. Yeah, back pin. They're missing, they're hitting the green 71% of the time. Back pin. When it's the front pin, same distance.

They're only hitting the green slightly over half, 57% of the time. Wow. Wow. So just as a caddy, just as a caddy, every time I would just go slightly in doubt, take more, take more. Hit the shot that you can hit the ball a little bit further type of thing.

Yeah, just that kind of stuff. Again, you got to buy into it, but they have so many stats to support it. You just buy into it and you just make that decision every time.

I just love that. Well, John, so let's break this down just a little bit for the listeners out there, you know, because we talked a little bit on the last show, but this is absolutely for them as well. Think about how many times, John, we have seen amateurs not take enough club. I mean, 99% of the time, very seldom, we could run through 10 pro amps and not see three balls past the flagstick in regulation from any amateur that we played with and 10 different pro amps. No question.

No question. And it's that sort of game. I loved the example Scott gave where he wanted, he knew it was a perfect pitching wedge if he was swinging great. But according to the system and according to what he knew about himself and how his game was progressing or not progressing, it needed to be a three quarter nine iron. A flight of nine iron.

What did he do? He hits his full pitching wedge and mis-hits it a slight bit and comes down in the front bunker. And it's just so interesting because those decisions are everything. I mean, I start thinking about how many times, John, I would stand out there and say, I'm hitting this shot. And you, if I was confident, you would just back off. And now I'm thinking, you should have never hit that shot.

I don't care how confident you would. You should have never hit it because even though I was confident, I didn't always pull it off. Well, but to your point, it's such a different approach, as you said to him.

And I think you generally agreed. You got to put your ego to the side. It's a whole different thing. It's a what am I not what am I feeling? Where are we? What do we have in front of us? What's the what's the statistic on this?

And then you just go from there. You know, it's kind of fun. You mentioned last week that the different sports are doing it. You hear the commentators in football say it a lot. OK, they're fourth and one on the one. What statistically is the way to go? You're checking the field goal or going for it, you know? And they'll say, well, there's a two percent deviation in in the right way to go about this type of stuff.

So a lot of times it's kind of a flip of a coin anyway, but it's just a different way to play. I'm excited to learn more about it. I'm excited to go out there and try to play that way.

And my guess is it's going to feel just right. It is probably going to feel like some of the times that I play for better golf. Anyway, what I've just had a different approach to not try to hit these perfect golf shots. Wait a second, John. Some of the best golf you played in college is when you were working with Bruce Ogilvy and you were deliberately taught to play away from the flagstick.

Yeah, well, he taught me to be comfortable playing away from the flagstick. Exactly right. Exactly right. Because we didn't think of it that way back then. But he's just like, yeah, you know, you're exactly right. It was a big deal. Pearl, let's talk through that process a little bit, because I can remember you coming back to me and I was like shaking my head like, what the hell are you talking about?

You know, when he was like, you play to two balls and he would say to you, John, this second ball is mine. You have no dog in this fight. So I want you to aim instead of it, that flagstick that's in the back left corner of the green. I want you to aim at the center of the green in that tree right there. That's your target, not the other. And he I remember you saying specifically, he made sure you understood that is your target, not the other one, not the flagstick, even though that's where the hole is. Your target is this new thing right here. And it's my ball and focus on that.

Well, then they're exactly right. I had a ball that was my golf ball. I also played two balls, one that he deemed is his and made it very clear to me that was his.

We probably played this game on four or five different occasions for nine holes and I never came within two shots of beating him relative to that mind that mind game that he would play with me. It was just fascinating. He was he was kind of pre Bob Rotella stuff. Yeah. And just love that man. He was he was huge for me.

But you're right. It was a piece of it was the ego. But another piece was just to be able to play and look at the game very differently. And probably to this day, he was teaching me things that I still vaguely understand. Jen, did you have any sort of sense while you were going through this like, I need to start playing away from targets and stuff or have alternative targets? Sure, I learned a lot from that.

I mean, across the board, I just that approach. I mean, I remember I hit the ball further. I played much better. I played much calmer.

All of those things. You won a tournament shortly thereafter as well. Well, I won a tournament when I made the team. I mean, I was I wasn't making a team that all of a sudden get all American honors and all that kind of good stuff and get to play with you guys.

We can wake out against the best what turned out to be the best players in the world. Yeah, so yeah, there was there was just a lot to it. And again, I let that slide by the wayside.

You and I have talked about things that work through that slide by the wayside. But this is a piece that I think we're going to see front and center. And I'm really pumped that we get to talk about it on the show because I think people are going to hear a lot more about it.

And hopefully we get their ears perked up from from the show so they think they can better understand it when they hear it on the TV coverage is coming out. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, it'll be it'll be interesting, john, when the with golf commentary, where a commentator might say, Well, he's pushed it way right of the flag.

You got to start thinking about it now. And you're like, did he really? Well, also, look at some of the commentators, you know, is it Curtis strange going to buy into this is a Lanny Watkins, these are pretty stalwart guys to believe what they believe. So are those guys going to buy into this, you know, especially when Randall Shanley is not a surprise is one of the ones to kind of break it nationally more often. Type of type of thing.

And that kind of grates on some of those guys as well. So there's going to be a bit of a power struggle would be my guess on buying into this, but I think they're there. It's Curtis doesn't want to do it because it'll be a second event like he had with tiger the first time he doesn't want to go through that again. I don't think I wouldn't if I were him, you know, Pearl, that's gonna wrap up another show we are going to announce the winners of the two golf balls. I win this time. Finally, I finally when I put faucet of what you text to you that said balls, balls, balls, let me see. You didn't win.

You didn't win. You're close. So the two Alex's one last week and this week, Alex Wolsey and Alex Patterson, you guys won TP five dozen golf balls will be coming to your house, hang out by the by the mailbox and don't let pearly have any because he's got plenty. You got your money golf balls. You got new gear.

How about a new gear report before we we sign off this week? Well, I'm down in Texas and I have to admit I'm starting to hit the ball better and starting to feel good. It's starting to kind of click in that I had a session the other day and it was just so much fun and starting to starting to click in with it.

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