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Looking forward to hearing some great stories that you have. Yeah, absolutely. We format the show like around the golf. The first segment is called the On the Range segment. It's brought to you by the Gateway section of the PGA. We really appreciate the Gateway section's support.

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So send me an email. Jay at JayDelsinghGolf.com. Spell Jay out on both ends of that and enter the subject in the subject balls and you'll be entered for a dozen TP5 golf balls. We lost a, gosh, just a pillar in our golf community this week. Jay Randolph Jr. was diagnosed less than 10 days ago with a form of liver cancer and given a short time to live. And boy, it really was a short time to live. He passed away last week. And so we're dedicating the entire On the Range segment to him. And gosh, I just had some thoughts I just wanted to share. He passed away much too early.

There's no question about that. At 53 years of age, he was the grandson of a US Senator. He was the son of Jay Randolph Sr., who's a Hall of Fame broadcaster, sportsman and a wonderful human being. Jr. was a father. He was a really good golfer and a multitude of other things.

But most importantly to me, he was a friend. And I can remember back to the Fairway and Green radio days when he and Jeff Smith, he and Smitty were doing their shows and they just started and it was really, oh, gosh, I was an avid listener, sometimes guest, but I was always a fan. And it was really the first true golf show, John, that anybody in St. Louis ever really paid attention to. They were passionate about it.

And they really did a nice job. I'll always remember Jr.'s hearty laugh. When he laughed, we all laughed. His passion for life and our great game of golf was, gosh, it was prominent and displayed in everything he did. He helped grow our game in so many ways and I'll forever be grateful and thankful for all he did and how he treated me as a man, a professional golfer and a friend. We just our show, you and I, everybody, we just send our, our sincere condolences out to the entire Randolph family.

I have a quote from our good buddy Tim McKernan that pretty much sums it all up. Jay was a legendary storyteller. He was hilarious. And he was unapologetically himself, which is why so many of us loved him. He was someone who when you saw him, he would automatically smile and you would automatically smile because you knew he was going to have something that would make you laugh.

He was an absolute legend. Rest in peace, Jr. Rest in peace. We're going to do our our tip of the cap and it's more for Jr.

The tip of the cap. It's brought to you by Colin and our friends at Dean, Team Volkswagen, Kirkwood 314-9660303. And today's tip of the cap, it goes to Jr. Jay Randolph Jr. Thanks for all you did for golf, for all you did in our community. And for every single person, you touched through your 53 years you are loved and missed immensely pal.

Rest in peace. And thanks, Colin and the Dean, Team Volkswagen at Kirkwood for the tip of the cap. That's going to wrap up the on the range segment and our tribute to Jay Randolph Jr.

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That's going to be a Glen Echo Pro. Just want to give you a couple of thoughts about Jay Randolph Junior before we head to our interview with Mr. Stan Grossman. Yeah, I want to hear some stories that you have firsthand, Jay, because I know that he was your buddy and you interacted with him in several different matters.

Yeah. First of all, he was a really good player, played golf down at University of South Carolina and we're probably about nine or 10 years apart in age, but he was always part of the sports family here in St. Louis. His dad was just a legend, you know, with NBC forever and one of the first golf broadcasters that I can even remember Pearl ever calling the game. Then his dad was also on with the Cardinals.

And so Jay was just a natural kind of, and broadcasting was just a natural kind of segue for Junior. He worked with forever at 590 the fan. He and just Smith, as I mentioned earlier, had just a phenomenal radio show. They had a long run.

I don't remember how many years they ran, but with fairways and greens and they had lots of really fun guests and lots of local flavor. And, you know, John, what I, what I love about him is he was so authentic. He just, you know, he'd just throw stuff out there and you're like, Hey, that's who he is. And as, as Tim McKernan said in that great quote, he was unapologetically himself. And, and, and that's the authenticism that, you know, there's, it's hard to be a character these days, John. You know, meaning you, if you throw your, you're too on guard, you're too on guard. Right.

I mean, if you're, if you drop the freak flag out there, you're just subject to so much ridicule and so much, so many things. And he was, he just, he did it. And John, he was, his number one love in life was golf, man. He loved the game. Well, tell us a little bit about his golf game, Jay. I've never played with him.

So, Oh yeah, he's a listener's habit. What kind of a game did he have? Oh, he had a good game.

I mean, he was definitely a scratch. He could bomb it. He, he, you know what, John, when he swung the club, it just so much of it looked right.

Lot of speed. Um, and you know, to play college golf, hell, you gotta be a really, really good player. And, um, I think as the years went on, I don't think he played quite as much, but, um, yeah, he was, he was a damn good player. And, um, and his dad was, you know, there's lineage there too. His dad, I think one, something like the Egyptian open or his dad was a really, really good golfer.

Just good athletes, sportsmen in general. Just, you know, just that sort of thing. I remember when Jay had that radio show and I called in one time and you didn't know I was calling in and I talked to him and I didn't know him, but I just introduced myself and he let me come on air as a special guest. I started throwing out stories of, uh, you and I at UCLA, you were, I could tell on the radio, you were red faced just that, but he went, he went along with it. He didn't mind yanking your shade a little bit. Oh no.

And then that's fair. And, uh, that was real. And I remember that and I didn't appreciate it nearly as much as I probably should have, but it was, you know, he was a character, John, and he was always smiling. There was always, you're wondering like, is there a prank?

I don't know. There's just, you know, it just doesn't seem like there's words that cover this for me. It's um, I just, my heartfelt, uh, wishes go out to the family and just the whole community. There's, there was a hole in the community right now.

I'm sure there is. I could tell talking to you before the show, it's, it's been a tough one, but I'm really glad that you told some stories about him and, uh, continue to keep his, his work alive. And, uh, you and him do a lot of the same things as far as wanting to grow the game, which he was a huge part of that. Yeah, absolutely.

All right. We're going to segue now into my interview with the great Stan Grossman. Stan is 90 years old. Stan has been a mainstay in the golf community here in town and in the entire Midwest region. John, he's been with the USGA since 1981. Uh, he's a founding member at Forest Hills Country Club.

He's just a lover and supporter of anything that has to do with golf. So let's go to that interview. The first half of that interview, I'm sitting down with my long time buddy, friend, the epitome of what a gentleman should be.

Mr. Stan Grossman. Gross, thank you for joining me this morning. Thanks, Jay. Thanks for having me.

Oh my gosh. I, you know, we've ran into one another over at old Warson earlier this summer and, um, there was a USGA event going on and we start, I, I, we started talking and you started telling stories. I thought, Oh my gosh, man, we got to get you on the show and tell some of these great stories to people. Well, you know, Jay got, uh, I've been a fortunate guy and golf has been so good to me. I couldn't, you know, almost hard to explain, but I happened to be over at old Warson.

I don't know what was last spring or the spring before, but when they were redoing the 17th hole, Roger Knoll and Ty Goldby, Bob's son. And they called me one day and said, growth, what are you doing? I said, I'm just sitting here and he said, watch, take a ride over here to old Warson.

We'd like to show you the new 17th hole. And I don't know whether I ever told you Jay, but Ty Goldby's dad years and years ago came through a lesson over at Forest Hills. Did I ever tell you this story? No, but please keep going.

This is great. Well, this happened about, I want to say, oh, probably in the middle sixties or maybe or very early seventies when Bob Colby was still in his prime. And, uh, anyway, I was walking, I played golf at Forest Hills one day and I go walking through the pro shop and Dutch Harrison was just sitting in an easy chair and said, where are you going, Mr. Grossman? I said, I'm going upstairs in a bowl of soup. He said, why don't you come down here about four o'clock?

I said, for what Dutch? He said, well, Mr. Bob's coming over for a lesson. I said, Dutch, who is Mr. Bob? He said, Bob Goldby.

Well, Bob Goldby is, you and I both know it was a great player back about that time. And anyway, at four o'clock, here comes Bob Goldby in a brand new automobile, opens up the truck and one of those big red Spalding bags comes out. I'm sure you remember those.

Oh, I sure do Stan. Anyway, we go across the street with a, with a bushel basket of balls, the three of us and throw a few balls on the ground and Dutch said, Bob, let me see you hit the seven iron. He takes a seven iron and he hits a beautiful shot up about 160, 70 yards in those days with about a two or three yard draw. And he said, let me see you hit another one. And he hit another one. It was a tracer. He said, Bob, don't change a thing.

Everything looks fine. Goldby said, are you sure, Dutch? He said, I'm sure, just don't change a thing. We drove back to the parking lot, put the club back in the car and he said, Dutch, do I owe you anything? I said, no, you don't owe me anything.

Just get out of here and play good. Anyway, he left and I was thinking to myself, it's 45 miles from St. Clair where Bob belonged over to Forest Hills. I just drove 90 miles and hit two balls.

Oh my gosh, that is incredible, Stan. Now you're one of the founding members at Forest Hills. How long have you been at Forest Hills?

Tell us a little bit of background about Forest Hills. It goes back to Jay in 1964. One of the developers was Charles, they owned the St. Louis Browns whose brother and his brother's son today owns the St. Louis Cardinals. Oh, the DeWitts? The DeWitt brothers, right. Right. And this goes back to the St. Louis Browns today, which your dad will remember, would have remembered, you know?

Sure. Anyway, he was one of the original investors and that's how I got involved with Forest Hills. To be honest with you, Jay, to join a country club in those days, the initiation fee was $400 and the dues were $20 a month. Oh my gosh, what a far cry from where we are today, Gross.

Right. Dutch Harrison, who was a famous player back in the 30s and 40s and part of the 50s, kind of took me under his wing and that's where I really got started with the game because previous to that, I thought that the guys that played golf and tennis, that was kind of a sissy game, you know? Unless you were playing football or baseball or hitting somebody or knocking somebody down, you know, that was... But anyway, I got started with golf.

My brother was going to the University of Missouri at the time and we were at my mom and dad's house in University City. My brother said, do you want to go play nine holes at Ruth Park? I said, I don't want to play that sissy game. And he said, well, you probably can't hit the ball straight anyway. And that's where it all got started. It's funny how those brothers can say just what they need to say to get you going, isn't it?

Right. It really is. But I couldn't begin to tell you, Jay, how good this game has been to me for a long, long time now. I originally got involved with, in those days, the only golf in St. Louis was run by the St. Louis District Golf Association, which you'll remember. But it only encompassed the private club players and it didn't take in everybody that played the game. And they give a lot of credit to Tom O'Toole, whose idea was to come up with the Metropolitan Golf Association. And today that's been a huge success for golf in this particular area, not only on the St. Louis side, but on the Illinois side. And got to give a tremendous amount of credit for golf in St. Louis to Tom O'Toole, who ultimately became president of the USGA, as both you and I know and know all about. But golf is on the rise here in St. Louis and I'm glad to see it and glad to be a part of it. Jay, you were a part of that as well.

Oh my gosh. Stan, I look back and I think about the early days and I was caddying at Norwood. I know you've been with the USGA. I think your first year was 1982, is that right?

1981, yes sir. Gosh, so I know that you've been involved. I know that running our qualifiers for the U.S. amateurs and things like that, you're always in the forefront. And you know what, Stan, from a guy that grew up on the public side of the game, I didn't know much about St. Louis district stuff. You know, I didn't grow up that way. I was playing with my mom's clubs and we were playing up at North Shore. And Stan, I didn't know any better and I didn't know any different.

I just knew something about this game grabbed a hold of me and it hasn't let go yet. Yes, right. Unless you belong to a private club in those days, that was the only competitive golf that you could play. And anyway, how I found out that I got involved with the USGA was on a New Year's Day. I was watching the college football games and the phone rang about four o'clock and it was a sports department from the post dispatch. It said, congratulations, Stan. I said, what are you talking about? Well, it just came across the wire from New York that you were appointed to USGA.

That's how I found out. Oh, my gosh. And Stan, I know that we've got to talk about 2012. What a special year for you to get the Joe Dye Award. I mean, that had to be such an incredible feeling. And that that also was completely out of the blue sky. I can't tell you how fortunate and lucky I've been. And it's funny because just this morning, I thought about that when I got the Joe Dye Award.

The same night, Annika Sorenstam was given the Bob Jones Award. And in her talk, she made a little speech about when she was a kid growing up in Sweden, that her dad took her to the club one day to play. And she's on the practice range before getting ready to tee off and it started to rain. And she called her dad to come pick her up and her dad came by half hour later and picked her up. She said, as we were leaving the club, my dad said to me, Annika, you say you want to be a good golfer? She said, yes, I'm going to be a good golfer.

Says, well, a little rain doesn't bother all those other kids still out there on the range. And she said that right then and there I learned a real lesson. Oh, my gosh, that's something, isn't it? You just never know, Stan, when those sort of those little jewels will hit you and take root because they're out there. Sometimes we just don't hear them. Right.

Exactly. And, Jay, you know, you had a great career, too, babe. And I just I don't know how old you are today, but I know you're a lot younger than I am. But I hope that you're still playing competitively a little bit. I still do get to play a little bit. I'm going to get to play in the Ascension Charity Classic next year, Stan. And I'm 62 years old, Stan. So you want to talk about the game of a lifetime? I mean, we can we can continue playing and continue enjoying it and tell the listeners how old you are. How old am I? Yeah, 90 years old. Oh, my gosh, Dan, that's terrific. Well, I've been a lucky guy and, you know, fortunately, my health has been halfway decent. Just keep walking up and down those hills, Jay.

Keep on going until you can't go anymore. Right. So, Stan, the Metropolitan Amateur Golf Association, talk a little bit about how important that was. I know you mentioned Tommy. Tommy O'Toole has just been. Oh, my gosh, I don't know the right word to use for what he's meant to golf here in the not only St. Louis, this whole Midwest area.

Yes, right. I would say that the Metropolitan Golf Association here of St. Louis has been has become one of the premier associations here in the Midwestern part of the United States. And it's all attributed to Tom O'Toole, who had this idea, because as I talked about a little bit before, golf in St. Louis was only encompassed the private club players. And Tommy thought and had the right idea that golf was a game for everybody and started the Metropolitan on a shoestring and in a little bitty office down in a basement.

And that's where it all got started. And shortly after that, Tom took a young man from who graduated from St. Louis University by the name of Kirk Rowie. And today, Kirk basically runs the association on an everyday basis and does a great, great job. And the Metropolitan has become really the the real force for golf here in the Metropolitan St. Louis area, which encompasses not only this side of the river, but the also the Illinois side as well.

Tom O'Toole deserves a tremendous amount of credit. He really does, Dan, because if you think about that, if this there wasn't this unity, it wouldn't be the same game, Stan. It wouldn't mean the same. It was one of the things that is so special about our game is when you look and see a tournament called the San Diego Open or the St. Louis Amateur Open, or that that word open means everyone's welcome.

You can if you qualify, you can play. That's important, Stan. That's exactly right. And that's, you know, that's the whole idea, not only here in the United States with the USGA, but that's the way the RNA runs golf in the rest of the world along the same lines. And it's nice to be a part of that. I'll be very honest with you.

I agree. And Stan, you were you were one of the lead officials for the U.S. Amateur in the U.S. Open from 1996 to 2007. Stan, give us some memory or two if you recall anything special about that.

I'm sure that there are some interesting moments there. I've known Tiger since he was like 11 or 12 years old. In fact, the last time I saw Tiger a couple of years ago at the Open, he happened to see me in the locker room and said, hey, Stan. I looked at him and said, hey, Tiger, I used to be Mr. Grossman.

What happened? And he just said, I'm getting older. But it was it was kind of it was a real thrill of mine to see this kid from the time he was 12, 13 years old just blossom to maybe the best of all time. And that's controversial, too. But Tiger was a great, great player and had every part of the game, every part of the game.

And on top of that, as much as I knew him, was always a very polite young man. And it's just glad to see things like that happen because he changed the game a little bit. And not only the planning of it, but encompassing of the of anybody who wants to play and has the ability to get to that point, which wasn't always the case with golf, not only here in America, but the rest of the world as well. OK, that's going to wrap up the first half of this interview and the front nine, but don't go anywhere.

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Those doors, Dan, I never grew up that way. I never saw or thought of color as being significant, but it really is. And for those people that were not included that are included now, it just seems like there shouldn't be any other way. That's correct. But that's that's, you know, that's what makes the world go round and the world to change. And most of the changes have been for the good.

That's for sure. There have been some controversial figures, you know, in our game and in every walk of life. But for the most part, you know, they always talked about golf as a gentleman's game.

And and really and truly, it has turned out to be exactly that. This is golf with Jay and Jay. You're a part of that because I can remember when you were a young man, you were always polite. If there was a rules question, you ask in the right the right way.

You weren't looking for an edge. And that's that's that's a feather in your cap, Jay. Oh, it's kind of you to say my parents would have killed me if I hadn't addressed you as Mr. Grossman and been polite to you, whether I was in a bush or in the water somewhere stand or in the woods. I dragged you a lot of places you probably had never seen before in some of the places I played.

That's right. I can remember I can remember I was in the bushes on a number nine, the old number nine at Norwood. And I said to Mr. Grossman, I think my ball is sitting on a mole cast and runway and you had to get down on your hands and knees. You said you're right.

And I said, do I get a drop? And I think you said I did. I don't remember exactly, but I can remember you crawling in this bush and looking at my ball. And I thought, man, I hope he could get out of there because there's not a lot of room in there. Oh, I remember, Jay, as if that whole now I think we used to be a par five, I think. And you hit the ball to the left underneath some bunch of pine trees where the bushes are growing all the way down to the ground and you're moving stuff in and out. I said, hold on, Jay.

You can't be moving too much of that stuff. Right. I didn't. You know, Stan, it's interesting because in that that my first experience with real golf where I were there were, you know, where I was playing against men and I was it would have been the St. Louis district.

And this is so I screwed up so many things and innocently, but still, you know, had I broken a rule, I was responsible. But I can remember playing in the semifinals with Mr. Jim Jackson. Just an iconic, super, super gentlemanly guy, great player. And stand on about the fourth hole. He's getting ready to he's getting ready to hit and stand. I'm over in the side taking practice swings. You know, I'm just I no one's taught me that I'm supposed to sit still, stand still. Don't make noise and let him play and watch him play.

And I didn't know that. So I was over there, you know, brushing the ground with a three iron or something like that and making all sorts of noise while he was playing. And he was so kind to me, Stan. He could have he could have bit my head off. And I wound up beating Mr. Jackson that day one up. I'll never forget. And I felt like, you know, I just kind of I don't know, it was a big day for me.

And as I look back on it, I must have irritated the hell out of him, Stan, because I was all over the place. That's what makes this whole game grow. That's the evolution of it. And we all grow by that, you know, and just be my age. You look back on things and there were a few things that were a little on the funny side, but for the most part, we all did it the right way. Whether it turned out good or bad, at least you knew that you did the right thing. Right. And we were trying to do the right thing.

Exactly right. Sometimes it didn't always we didn't always get there, maybe the quickest way, but I think we wound up getting there in general. Stan, you told me a story. Did you ever you got to play in the the Crosby Clam Bank, which is now the AT&T National Program. You got to play a couple of years. Tell us about that experience.

I know that had to be special. I played two years with Dutch and one one cute little story about you remember Phil Harris, the bandleader who was married to the movie star Alice Fay. Dutch had won the Crosby with with him a couple of years previous to Dutch and I playing. And we happened to meet in the parking lot and he came over and said to Dutch, who are you playing with? And Dutch said, why do you ask? He said, well, you used to play with me, but now you bring this band in here.

He's pointing to me. But he told a funny story that he was married to Alice Fay, who was a famous movie star. And Dutch said to him, how is Miss Alice doing? And he said, Dutch, don't even ask me about her. He said, you won't believe what's going on. He says every Sunday.

Now, she was a movie star and he was a world known band leader and also in the movies. He said every Sunday she gives me five hundred dollars. He says, by Tuesday, I don't have any more money I got.

And I have to wait till the next Sunday before I get another five hundred. Don't even ask me about her. Oh, my gosh. But the neatest thing that happened one year at the Cross, well, two neat things. We were paired with Bert Yancey and Bert was in contention to win a tournament one year. And we were playing at Cypress Point and it was a cold, rainy, windy day.

And we were playing the 18th hole and the 18th green is kind of elevated a little bit. And there were two people standing back there and finally got up on the green and it was Mr. Crosby. And I said, walk back there. I said, Mr. Crosby, what are you doing out here?

It's a miserable day. And he pointed down. He said, Nathaniel wants to meet Bert Yancey. And Nathaniel turned out to be a pretty good amateur. Years later, won the U.S.

Amateur and was also captain of the Walker Cup team here a couple of years ago. So those kind of things are the things that you kind of remember and that's what makes this game so great. You know, Jay, you were a part of that as well. Oh, my gosh, Dan, I look back at those Crosby days and I can remember a story because there's movie stars just walking around all over the place.

You know, and I can remember, you know, not knowing who half of them were. And I was, you know, when you go out to Pebble Beach, there's no designated driving range for the normal play. And for this thing that, you know, turn the polo fields into a beautiful driving range and they make a little area for you to go grab something to eat before you're around. So I'm in there just kind of getting a plate full of breakfast. And I sit down and this young guy says to me, hey, man, do you mind if I sit next to you? And I said, well, gosh, no, no, no problem at all. I didn't introduce, but we just start talking and we hit it off and we're having a great conversation. He talked about his round and I talked a little bit about that's that and the other thing.

And 15, 20 minutes went by Stan. And we said, you know, we always get up to leave because I'm going to leave as well. We got up to walk out and I met my caddy at the door and he went to subways today.

Man, have a great day and I'll see you later. And he goes, yeah, same to you. And my caddy looks at me and he goes, how long have you been friends with Justin Timberlake? And I said, who's that?

And then Stan, you got to remember I have four daughters. And so I went home that night and got on the phone and said, girls, you're not going to believe who I had breakfast with. And they said, oh, who was it this time, dad? And I said, some guy named Justin Timberlake. You know, he was in the boy band stand and he was all this.

He was all the rage. And my girls were like, you got to be kidding me. You know, did you get his autograph?

I said, no. And I didn't even get his name. You know, Jay, along those lines, my wife, Barbara, who doesn't go longer here, but love the movies and the movie stars. And one year at the Crosby Dutch and I walked in to have breakfast and we sit down and 30 seconds later comes a guy and says, can I sit down with you? And it happened to be Dean Martin. Barbara thought that she had passed and went away to heaven, you know, because he spent maybe an hour and a half with us.

And all she could always remember that he had velvet shoes on. Oh, my gosh. You know, Stan, those days, that tournament, I actually played in that event my rookie year on tour.

I think my first two years before they had changed the name to the AT&T. And you know what, Stan, there was something that was so quaint and something that was so different about that event with the celebrity fields, the celebrities themselves. There was just this commonality or something, Stan, that the game brought everybody together and it seemed almost normal.

And even though it's not, you know, you could go on with these stories that all of a sudden they pop into your mind. But this game has been just so good to both of us, Kurt. You know, and Jay, I sit here once in a while sitting in this big easy chair and think about how lucky I've been, to be honest with you.

Oh, my gosh, Stan, I feel the same way. Stan, tell the listeners just a little bit about Dutch Harrison that they don't know. I mean, I know this guy was a great player and a great ball striker. His nickname was the Arkansas Traveler and he had a big, big following and a big imprint here in St. Louis, didn't he? You know, Jay, he was a wonderful, wonderful man.

He was from Little Rock, Arkansas, grew up, he said, in a poor neighborhood. And he started catting down there and that's how he got involved with golf. And I only knew him later in life. You know, originally when old Warson here in St. Louis was built, he was the original pro there.

Wow. And he was there, I think, for two or three years. And then he was hired away by the Olympic Club out in San Francisco. And he was there for about four or five years. And then when Forest Hills was being developed, they brought him back to help promote that. And he was, as I mentioned, an old farm boy from Little Rock, Arkansas. And I said, Dutch, you know, why did you leave a prestigious job like that out in San Francisco to come back to Forest Hills? And he said, Mr. Grossman never got warm out there.

It's so true, isn't it? Right. And another story about Dutch Harrison played, he made, he was picked for four Ryder Cup teams.

That's a period of eight years. But he only played three times. I was looking at the record one day, I said, Dutch, you know, you were picked for four times, but you only played three.

What happened? As an uneducated boy from Little Rock, Arkansas, he said, Mr. Grossman, he said, the first year, he said, we played here right after World War II in Portland, Oregon, which was the start of the Ryder Cup matches again. And he says, then two years later, we went back over to England to play.

And then two years after that, back here in America, and then two years to go back to overseas. I said, how come he didn't go back? Now, Jay had to remember, he's an old farm boy. He said, Mr. Grossman, he said, you couldn't win any money over there.

All you could win was those pounds. Oh, my gosh. Stan, isn't that something?

I'll tell you, just, you know, you could go on with these Dutch Harrison stories. He was a Damon Runyon character, to be very honest with you. Oh, right. But he was wonderful to me and wonderful to my kids. And just, I miss him. In fact, I'm looking at a picture of him on the wall right here right now, Jay. Oh, that's so special.

Stan, I really appreciate your time. I got to tell you just the last little thing about the Dutch Harrison, the first award I ever won, when I had the low scoring average as a junior golfer, it was called the Dutch Harrison trophy. And I think it was the first golf trophy I ever won. And I didn't know who he was, and I got to meet him, and it was special. And I got to tell you, Bob Hope was there in the very first time, which was really, I mean, if you think about that, that's amazing. He knew them all, and they also knew him.

You know, he really and truly was a Damon Runyon character. But he was a wonderful, wonderful man to me and my family and to my kids and to almost everybody at Forest Hills for sure. And Jay, I can't tell you how much I appreciate you calling me and we're talking about this.

All of a sudden, I'm thinking about things that I haven't thought about for 15, 20, 40, 50 years. Well, to our benefits, Stan, I so appreciate you. Thanks for all you've done for the game. Please keep doing it. I know you're still involved. I love seeing your face out there.

And all these young guys need to know these stories. Well, thanks a million, Jay. And that's all I can say is thanks. And you've been an attribute for people in golf and St. Louis, that's for sure.

Keep it up. All right, John, I could have listened to Stan Grossman's stories. I mean, I hated to pull the plug on the interview. It was just so much fun for me. Well, he just rolled so well with the stories.

And it's fun. He really enjoyed telling them. I'm glad that you had him on the show. And he dates back to your whole career and some. Yeah, I mean, when he starts talking about the the Dutch Harrison days and some of those, oh, my gosh, it's a he told a story to me, John. And this is was when I was kind of like, gosh, this is one of the reasons I got to get him on the show.

We were over at Old Worson and we were watching a couple of younger guys play and it was just so fun to get the visit with him. And he said, I can remember, Jay, one time when Dutch Harrison asked me if I would if I could carry for him. And he stands at Mr. Dutch, what what are we playing in? He goes, it's a U.S. Open qualifier. It's thirty six holes.

And it's a you know, it's an instance that, oh, my gosh, would be an honor. And so he shows up in the morning as a younger guy and going through the bag, you know, and he says, hey, Mr. Dutch. There's only two golf balls in here. And oh, boy, and then Dutch Harrison said to him, we're only playing two rounds.

And so stands thinking to himself, wow. All right, well, I'm not bringing that up again today. Jeff, he said he walked off the 18th green of the second round. Playing the same ball. Well, he played thirty six. Could you imagine, John, just knowing that if I hit pop two in the water, I got to go in.

That would drive me crazy. Well, you know, the only other player I've ever heard that type of story from before with Jack Nicklaus. The story goes that Jack carried three golf balls and I can't fathom that that could be true.

I carried like a dozen and a half. The Davis Davis had practice out of or something like that, but I wasn't going to come up short. No, that's right. Well, that let's wrap up the this is going to wrap up the back nine, but probably now be back to the 19th hole.

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618-556-7951. All right, John, as we look over the week, it's still it's still hard to do a typical kind of show with a heavy heart. You know, and what happened this week with Jay Randolph Jr. But he would absolutely want us to still cover the game, talk about the game and do it with the love of the game that he had. And that he knows that, you know, we both have.

So the big thing, a big, big deal, the race to Dubai out and for the DP year end championship. John Rahm, boy, you know, it's interesting, bro. It's almost like when John Rahm plays well, he wins every single time. I don't know if you get that sense, but he's he's he's he has this. Maybe it's even more of a persona than it is his game. But obviously he's got the game to back it up. But he he just is he gets near that lead.

Pearl, it doesn't seem like he he goes away easily. Well, when his game's on, to your point, he's pumped up and he's rolling and he he's got that the attitude that you really want. When his game's a little bit off, you can see what I would call the anxiousness of that when he gets a little bit hot under the collar, when he has a tough time with kind of controlling his emotions. So he really battles back and forth. But when that guy is on, he just has a ton of confidence. He's feeling it. And he I guess in his head, he's like, well, why would I stay on the rest of the week?

Because I got it. And he's quite the force. But I think there's another guy kind of settled in with the family. I think they've had a child to getting himself set. Rory has done the same thing. You know, we talk about that on the show and how that affects. I mean, there is life outside of golf, you know, and these guys are human.

They get affected by it. But but between him and Rory, which I know you've got to know here to talk a little bit about Rory. It's it's these these two could be an unbelievable force in twenty twenty three. We know for sure that those two guys will be playing the Ryder Cup.

We don't know who the hell else is going to be joining him, but that's a hell of a good nucleus right there. You know, John, Rory locks up the top the Harry Vardon trophy for the for the DP player of the year for the second time. Wrapping up the years, the world number one. You know, Johnny said something really interesting post interview after winning. He said he's never been as complete a golfer as he is right now and today.

And, you know, John, this is to your point. When you're young and you do what Rory did, where he was a single man, he was he he he made his mark on the golf world immediately. He won four majors. He's, you know, and all of a sudden you're like, wow, Rory McElroy is this guy. And then you back it off the backs off a little bit, John, or you don't win a couple of majors that you should have like you did at Augusta. And things happen to you and you age and then, you know, you get married and now he's a father, you know, and there's all of this juggling, John.

And the reward that he's feeling right now is this combination of being not a one dimensional dude. You know, he's a golfer at the top of the world, but he's also a dad. He's a husband. He's a and you can tell it's extremely important to him. And I got to tell you, John, some guys don't slide into those things easily and some of them don't even fit. Well, that's why I'm glad you said that I was going to bring that up for multiple reasons. There are plenty of people wouldn't have made it past a few of the barriers that he's had. Plenty of people just kind of shrink and shrink away.

We're going to talk in a minute a little bit about Lydia Coe. Same thing. Somebody that was at the pinnacle and then slipped way down. You know, there was times when when Rory was really kind of falling back and then everybody starts questioning them. What's wrong with Rory? He doesn't care.

And it doesn't matter. He's hurt. He's this. He's that.

It takes a lot to kind of regen that thing up again. And he's done it in spades. I'm not sure there's a guy too much more comfortable in his own skin that's playing professional golf right now than Rory McElroy, which which speaks volumes to what I think he might accomplish in the future.

Yeah, no, I totally agree, John. It's it's it's very impressive. This whole this whole live golf has been something. And he's emerged from this thing extremely strong, extremely powerful and and powerful might be the wrong word, but just prominent, John. You know, he's at the forefront. He's leading is what he's doing. And it's really interesting to see. And he also, you know, bows to Tiger. He said that multiple times. So it's interesting what he's doing and some of the strong comments this week about saying Greg Norman needs to go and and things like that.

So, yeah, really, really interesting and love to see what's what's going to happen. It couldn't be a better ambassador for the game. Love him as a human. And man, he's another guy that's game. His game's really, really, really rounded into. I mean, almost the best. He's probably better now, John, than he's ever been.

And I mean, that is a player, too. I don't have a whole lot else for this show. Pearl, have you got any update? You want to give us a little update on your progress? How's your new how's your new gear coming along?

Are you getting to get more comfortable with your driver? Let's talk about fishing or something. We're talking about fishing. I went fishing not too long ago.

We caught a bunch of smallmouth up in Ashland, Wisconsin, up the Lake Superior. That was a great time. You know, Jay, I'm traveling.

I had the dang sinus issues like I think everybody else in the world seems to be having these days. And I'm slacking off. I am down in Arizona, so I'm going to get a couple rounds in when I'm down here and looking forward to it. And no, man, it's right now the golf game is on the shelf. It's hard being pearly, folks. It's hard being a lot of traveling, a lot of fishing gets in the way of playing golf. I totally understand. I'm giving you a hard time over there. That's the best problem I figured I could have right there. That's great.

Well, that's going to wrap up another show. Pearly? St. Louis?

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