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This is golf with Jay Delsing, a two-time All-American at UCLA, a participant in nearly 700 PGA Tour events, seven professional wins to his credit, over 30 years of professional golf experience, a member of the St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame. This is golf with Jay Delsing. This is golf with Jay Delsing. I'm Dan McLaughlin, and that is Jay Delsing.

We're presented by Darty Business Solutions. Coming up, our guest will be Rob Sadorsik, one of the top teaching professionals in the area over at Family Golf and Learning Center. But first and foremost, Jay, pretty quiet week. Pretty quiet week on the PGA Tour. Danny, I can't wait to get into this. It's great to be with you.

Man alive. Golf was sold this week. It really was. Golf was sold this week. I guess we should mention, we want to thank Jeff Thornhill. They give away a dozen TP5 golf balls each week.

Thorny, thanks so much for the support. Send me an email. Jay at jdelsinggolf.com. Put the word balls in the subject matter somewhere, and we'll send you a dozen balls each week. The PGA Tour is forming a partnership with Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund and the DP World Tour. And this just hit on Wednesday.

It was quiet, and then all of a sudden the news hit, and it really rocked not just golf, but the sports world. I, listening to those words come out of your mouth, it just, the hair on the back of my neck stands up, just pisses me off. I'm disappointed. I'm mad. I just cannot, I don't know where we're going to go. I have more, let me put it this way.

I have more questions than I have answers for this thing. What frustrates you the most is a guy that was part of the tour for many, many years, nearly three decades on tour. You set the precedent along with the guys that you played with on the PGA Tour for a lot of the money that is made now. Obviously, Tiger had a big hand in that, but you and others kept playing and playing and playing so that the tour kept growing.

And now you get what happened this past week. What was your initial reaction? It's kind of you to say that. I mean, I probably was the equivalent of Tiger shoelace and all this whole thing. But, so I always wanted to be on the PGA Tour. I wanted to be, I was proud to get out there, to get my PGA Tour card. I wanted to continue the things that the greats before me showed us what to do.

The giving back, the charitable side, the pro-am portion, just the whole thing, man. It was a dream of mine. I never knew if it was going to happen. It happened. And I got to live that life and to listen to all of the lies. Now that our commissioner spoke about 9-11, the importance of all that, the families that were affected by this, this will never happen to now that it's happened.

I don't know what to do with it. I mean, first of all, I feel completely betrayed by our commissioner and I don't want to overblow it, but I honestly do if I'm Rory McIlroy. Oh boy. Oh, I mean, how do you look that guy and you want to talk about getting stabbed in the back? I mean, he was just blown apart by this thing. Let's hear from the commissioner. Jay Monahan was asked about the families of 9-11 that he had spoken to previous and said, no, no, no, we, we want no part of this.

And then was asked about it this past week. I read Terry's comments. I, I, you know, obviously acknowledge her loss and completely understand her position and to the question that you were just asking. I wish I think about the fact that I allowed confidentiality to prevail here and in allowing confidentiality to prevail, I did not communicate to very important constituents, including the families of 9-11. And I regret that. I really do. But as we sit here today, you know, I think, I think it's important to, you know, to reiterate that I feel like the move that we've made and how we move forward is in the best interest of our sport.

We've eliminated those fractures. But for, for any, any difficulties I've caused in that front, again, I have to own that as well. And that comes back to communication. One of the big questions then that comes out of what he just said is what happens to Jay Monahan as the commissioner. But secondarily, he sounded frightened in that soundbite of just trying to answer that question. He did, Danny. I mean, and you and I have seen the video clip of that.

And he looks like, first of all, he's been dragged through the mud for a month or two. I couldn't believe he wasn't prepared to answer that. He was not prepared to answer that question. And it was the worst non-answer I've ever seen.

It almost, you almost heard his voice cracking. It's just a load of crap, man. I mean, how, so first of all, in my opinion as a player, I don't want him as my commissioner anymore. I can't believe anything he's going to say. So you want him out? I want him out. I don't want, you need some credibility here to come in front of the membership and hold your meetings. We need to be able to trust you in some facet one way or the other. Are there some positive things that are going to come out of this?

I sure hope so. We'll talk about those later, but right now I've reached out to a bunch of players, Danny, not one player that's currently playing now had any idea that this was going on. Now, maybe Tiger did. He's not really playing.

He's almost not, I hate to say this almost not really a factor. He's rehabbing, you know, the ankle surgery, but I know Rory didn't. I, and I did not talk to Roy personally, but some of the guys that I talked to, they had no idea this was going on.

They had a really heated players meeting this week up in Toronto. So what happens then with Jay Monahan, what's his role now as currently the commissioner of the PGA tour, but let's advance the story. You know, if, if the players can't trust him and the golf community, meaning the fans are very upset over what's going on, what's his role moving forward. Well, he's going to be out.

I mean, I really do. And I mean, if you look at this now, this merger, as they called it, Monahan's working for the Saudis, Monahan's the CEO, he's second in charge to the, and I can't, I don't know how to pronounce Ramelan, whatever his name is, the head of the PIF, he's the chairman of that board. And here's another thing, Jimmy Dunn, he's a, he's a well-known huge supporter of the game. He's a member at Seminole. He, he lost in his company. They had presence in the world trade center. He lost, I think 60 or, or, or more of his employees and friends and teammates up there. He's going to sit on this board as well.

So we need a lot more answers here because this doesn't make any sense. Jimmy Dunn has come out and publicly said, I am not going to say what I think about the Saudis and live golf because of what happened to me, my company and their families in nine 11 Rory McElroy, really the face of the PGA tour, especially after what took place with live many, many months ago was asked about it this past week. I still hit live.

Like I hit live. Like I, I hope it goes away and I would fully expect that it does. And I think that's where the distinction here is. This is the PGA tour, the DP world tour and the PIF very different from live. All I've tried to do is protect what the PGA tour is and what the PGA tour stands for. And I think it will continue to, to do that. So like going forward, I hope that there's, you know, there may be a team element and you're going to see maybe me, maybe whoever else play in some sort of team golf, but I don't think it'll look anything like live has looked. And I think that's a good thing.

Just as a follow up. I mean, you do see why fans are upset though. I see what you're saying that it's not live, it's the PIF, but nonetheless, you know, during this back and forth over the past year, at one point, Jay Monahan said a deal like this would never happen out of respect for the victims of 9-11. Obviously you're not responsible for what Mr. Monahan says, but you can see why this has stirred up a lot of emotions and fans, right?

Of course. You know, I, I said it to Jay yesterday, you've galvanized everyone against something. And that thing that you galvanized everyone against, you've not partnered with. So of course I understand that it is hypocritical. It sounds hypocritical. The one thing I would say is, again, whether you like it or not, the PIF and the Saudis want to spend money in the game of golf. It is, they, they want to do this and they weren't going to stop.

So how can, you know, the thing for me, and this is one thing that I've always thought about, how can we get that money into the game, but use it the right way. And I think that's what this ultimately will do. Hopefully.

I mean, that's, that's my hope. Very strong comments from Rory McIlroy. If you're Rory McIlroy, I think you feel betrayed by the commissioner and what's happening now with the tour. If we could swear right now, we could, we could take this to an entirely different, I know we could take this to an entirely different level, but for Roy McIlroy, obviously you and I are in the weeds on this stuff.

We love nerdy golf stuff. And this is, I mean, jump to the top of everybody's discussion list, right? And for Rory, he said, he felt like the sacrificial lamb. Could you imagine if you're him and you said, well, I'm turning down $250 million.

That was the reported number that he had. And then all of a sudden the tour just kind of turns their back on him. I I'd be so upset and just furious at how I was treated because you're right. That's the right way to put it.

He was the sacrificial lamb with this. These guys are going to get paid. We're talking about, there are crazy amounts of potential lawsuits here. We'll get into this later. What about our sponsorships? What about the, the basic structure of the PGA tour moving forward and how much does it change?

And what does that do to everyone's legacy to Jack Nicklaus, the Tiger Woods and all of these records that are standing? There's more questions about that than we even know how to even get into right now. But in terms of, I will tell you this, and this is what I think, and this is early on and I'll, I'll walk this back. If I have to, once I learned something more, but anyone that was offered money from live will now get paid and it'll all come from the Saudis and it'll all come probably under the table or some, but the thing that makes me puke the most about this Danny, it's all about the money everybody sold out of the money. You just saw Jay Monahan sold us, sold, sold us out. We'll take a quick time out again.

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This is the front nine. Let's get into some of the individuals involved with this. Now, we talked about Rory. We talked about the commissioner. Where is Greg Norman on all this? We're not hearing very much from his camp at all. I'm delighted.

I'm just going to say, Danny, I'm just absolutely delighted. I mean, first of all, he's a divisive. He just wants to get his own ego, in my opinion, get in there and just he's never one of these welcoming let's unite.

He wants to get up and blow things up. And so I think it's great that we haven't seen Greg. I don't see I don't see a way that Greg moves forward in this.

I disagree whatsoever. He's got to be. He's going to say, I won. I took these guys away. I was able to form live.

And now I want my piece of the pie. Also, I think he's his egos too big to say I got to be a part of it. I think, well, I think that's I think that's what part of the fun part, right? Because if I'm not mistaken, live is going to be dead. Live as we know it is not going to exist anymore. And these guys are going to have some sort of gateway back into the PGA Tour, which is an entirely different show for us. Danny, we could talk about that for hours. But to your point, I believe the Saudis are going to load Norman's pockets even further and say, thanks, you're done.

That's what I think. If you're Phil Mickelson, do you feel like, you know what? I just won the lotto. I proved to you that Liv was going to work. I got paid my money.

And now I'm coming back to the PGA Tour. He looks as we've said so many times, Danny, how he pretends and likes and wants to be the smartest guy in the room. And guess what? He looks like it now. It's unbelievable how much this looks like Phil won. Period. Yeah, period.

And the other guys are probably feeling the same way. And they're I would assume they're still going to get their money. They're going to get paid in full. And now the question would be those that were offered contracts to leave and go to live. Do they get their money? Because, you know, if you're a player and you said, no, I'm not doing this, I'm taking a stance. I'm going to I'm going to support the PGA Tour.

And now he looks at the other guys that are going to get paid and then come back. That's just not fair. No way. There's no way. There's always somehow some way JT Gary Woodland, Ricky Fowler, Jordan Spieth, Colin Morikawa, go on.

John Rahm, Rory, go down the list. There will be some unbuckling of major cash and hit these guys. And I have heard an LGA Tour loyalist is what you're referring to, right? So the PGA Tour loyalists are going to get paid. There's no we've gone over this a thousand times, Danny.

There's no way to get these guys to come back. Let's just say you made the live guys pay a fine. Where does that money go?

How is that significant to JT and Rahm and into Rory? It's not. There's going to have to be payments made to them. There could be lawsuits galore that this thing just festers if they're not taken care of. I can promise you they're going to be taken care of, whether it's above board, behind the scenes, whatever it is. And it'll all be Saudi money, as I always say. Follow the money.

I don't care what walk of life you're in. Follow the money. And that just seems to be if you really want to break it down. Oh, that's it. That's it. It's that easy. It's 100. You're 100 percent right.

This is entirely about the money. Even Rory said it. And we've gone over so many. You and I have spent so much time on this moment and a fuse now in a short period of time.

I know. And Rory said, look, when the guy has that much money, meaning the Saudis, and they refuse to go away, it looks like it's like we're going to have to just join these guys. But have a little sense in the way that you run yourself and run your mouth and run your organization.

If you're Jay Monahan, then don't say the things that you said earlier, because you can't walk that back. Those 9-11 families are going to look so distastefully at you, at the PGA Tour and at golf now. You just hit the nail on the head. So there is sports washing all over the place. You go to Formula One, you can go to soccer.

You can look all across the world. The Saudis are involved in sports. But when you made the statements that you made that you say, we're not going to do this on a matter of principle and then walk it back, that is what is infuriating, I think, to the players on tour and certainly to the golf fan that's out there.

Well, the word hypocritical, the word, you know, double talk, I mean, use them all because they all apply here. It just is going to be really interesting, Danny. These next couple weeks are really going to be interesting to see as this information starts to filter out to us to see what the hell this is going to happen. One of the things that I thought was a no brainer is when the PGA Tour reached this agreement with the DP World Tour last year that the PGA Tour would absorb some of the better European events, bring them on to our schedule and then kind of make some of the other DP events part of the corn ferry and almost like a feeder league. So you made it in like a worldwide, more of a worldwide feel to the tour. Absolutely. And that that made makes perfect sense.

But what doesn't make any sense? None of these live events are worth a damn. No, I mean, they had eight last year, they have 14 this year, they're not any there. There's no desire for the PGA Tour to have any of those events come under our umbrella. But what's going to happen with some of the questions are with the Saudis type of money that they're throwing around. What's going to happen to our sponsors?

Yes. Are our sponsors going to want to stick with us? Do we need sponsors anymore? The kind of money that they're going to dump into it? Do you really need the sponsor? We need a sponsor or this whole thing got to be Saudi based PIF based, you know, and brought to you by the PIF. What about 501 C threes? You know, we've talked about it a lot.

The PGA Tour is one of the most charitable sports entities in all of in all the world because it's even greater than MLB, NBA, NHL, I don't care who you put out there, maybe all combined would not add up to what the PGA Tour does with 501 C three. And that's going to be interesting too with this. I think I think he hit the nail on the head. There's a couple things that we'll talk about before the end of the show.

But the 501 C three, I have been told that the way that the rules are written for 501 C threes and I'm no attorney and I don't know this for sure, but our business model hinges on this 501 C three being, you know, look, you're, you're FedEx and you come in and dump this much money and you're going to get X amount of tax benefits from the money that you're playing with here and donating and subsequently raising all of this, this charitable money. I have a feeling that there we did not want that to be heavily scrutinized and I have a feel something Danny happened and Jay Monahan got his back up against the wall and it was either this or that and this meaning our merger was more palatable than that, which might be opening the books, which might be somehow or another, you know how they say they know where the bodies are buried or they have the negatives, something in there did not want to come out and could not come out and somehow this alternative was better. I wonder how quickly this came about and I also wonder how were they able to keep this under the wraps. Now, apparently when Jay Monahan made this announcement, it was already recorded, so it was something that had been done, had been recorded. It was an interview with CNBC. How in the heck did they keep that under the wraps?

It's the biggest story that's going on in sports. I don't know how they did that. I don't either.

I don't either and it makes you wonder. No one down at the PGA Tour headquarters must have known. You wonder who's Jay's confidant, like who is, who does he go to for advice? Who does he look to? Because the way that we have this set up, Danny, this thing has to pass through the Players Advisory Council, which is four independent, four player directors and then four independent businessman directors.

So somehow or another, Jay's known that he's going to be able to get this through there and maybe it's already been some sort of kangaroo courted through there, but it's, I don't know. How about the fact and we'll wrap up this segment, the front nine with this and coming up, we'll visit with Rob Sudorsik, one of the top teaching professionals in the area for Family Golf and Learning Center. But how about Brooks Koepka winning the PGA and he finishes second in the Masters. As we know, he's part of live Phil on the final day of the Masters that back nine he had was really historic for his age. I wonder if this had any impact or just had any feeling that we need to bring these guys back in and again, follow the money. The money is ultimately what it's about, but I do wonder if this was somewhat of a minor factor in their decision making. I think you're on Danny.

I think you're on. I mean, the fact that a live player, really, if you break it down, Koepka slept on the leave both Saturday at Augusta and then Saturday at the PGA Championship and winning. I mean, we've said this on the show before, Phil's performance is arguably a bigger story than John Rumm winning the dark, right? I mean, at 52 years old, Phil finishing with what closing with what, 31 or 32 in the back nine, finishing second as you unfold the Ryder Cup and that coming up, Brooks Koepka going to earn his way on that team without a doubt.

Yes. And and and now we've got two more majors. And I think it all had a factor. I don't think it was the biggest factor. I think what we talked about before the 501 C3 or whatever the lawsuits we're going to expose, I think that's the biggest factor.

But this is definitely important. Speaking of the Ryder Cup, by the way, Rory said that Koepka should be on the United States team. He said, look, look at the body of work he's put together. There's no reason why he shouldn't be on the team. When he talked about the Euros, he said, I don't want those guys. He said, I don't think they should be a part of the team.

Well, they're not playing worth a dang either. Yeah, but it's interesting because Rory has not hidden his disdain for Liv and the fact that he hated it. I know. And he's also said he's lost friendships over. Yeah. So it's a big thing for for him. This this this live is a big thing for him in Rory's opinion. And he just said it a minute ago is he wants it to go away. Yeah, he wants. And to his point, though, moving forward is this thing all folds back together somehow.

There's no reason any of Liv stays. It's what what's what? You want to play music? They already play music at the PGA Tour. You want to wear shorts? They're already wearing shorts in the practice round.

Really? Follow the money, man. Follow the money. But Danny, there's not going to be three round no cut tournament. No, no, there's not. And there's not going to be shotgun starts on the PGA Tour, period.

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Not that I've seen. Adam had a unique vision. He's been able to capitalize on it and it goes back to the concept of if you build it, they will come and they're coming. Have they been coming from the onset or is now the word just getting out about Family Golf and Learning Center? Well, I would say that, so I got down there in 2018 just after he bought it and you could start seeing it building through the time. Adam put new mats in, new paint job, new golf balls.

People started hearing about this and so all of a sudden they are coming. How much do you teach the new golfer and they just show up and they say, alright Rob, Christmas time, got a set of new clubs, I need you to make me scratch. How much time do you spend with the new golfer? I don't spend as much time as a lot of other people on the staff do. My target audience is a competitive junior golfer, but I do get a few of the beginners that come in and say, I want to be the next. And it's like, okay, well, the next requires a lot of time and effort.

It does. A little bit of work and a little bit of time on the rock pile, hitting some balls. One of the neat things that Danny and I were talking about the other day is the different, you know, we have a double-decker teas and everybody knows about that, but the new grass teas that you guys have out is pretty impressive. We have two large grass tea areas that we allow people to hit off of. We have the West tea, which is, I don't know the square footage of it, it's probably about a little over an acre I'm sure, with the West putting green there as well. And then the East tea, the new East tea, which is a nice size tea as well as we've just added some mats to the back of that.

So therefore we can have that tea open all the time. Rob, you mentioned that you're working with competitive junior golfers. How much has it improved over your years, starting in 1980, the kids and how much better in a cold weather area that they're getting in the game of golf? The thing that I'm seeing is that all these other sports are not having their off season. So I noticed this a few years back and I started a program at elite football that allowed us to teach kids during the winter.

And so it's kind of progressed on. I don't see an off season for golf any longer. You know, I've got kids that come every Saturday during the winter for their golf lesson. And then during the summer, I see them once a month because they are playing tournaments. You know, it's, I think it's so important, Rob, for, for even the, for these competitive juniors.

Absolutely. But even the guy that just loves the game to do a little work in the off season, you don't have to go crazy. But so many of my friends will, will sit around, they'll be on the couch. They might put on a couple of pounds and then all of a sudden, you know, springtime comes along and their games in shambles. And there's no reason for that anymore. No, there's not.

There's absolutely not. You've got heated hitting bays down there so you can practice during the winter. I've seen, seen people down there when it's zero hitting golf balls.

What possesses you to come out with a zero, but, but they're still coming out there. So yes, you have an opportunity to keep your game, maybe not at top shape, but at least to where you are sustaining what you had at the end of the season throughout the winter. Jay Dorsick is our guest from Family Golf and Learning Center, one of the top teaching professionals in the area for a long, long time, great reputation.

And it's been that way for a long time. How much satisfaction do you get from taking a young man, a young girl and starting them, you know, you mentioned they're competitive, but then taking them to the next level and to see that success, it's got to feel great. Jay and I have had a lot of success playing golf tournaments and we still do when we play and compete, but I get just as much pleasure and drive from this golfer that has hit there, but had their best score, had their, you know, their first birdie, you know, shut the lowest round of their life, won their first tournament. You know, I mean, I get chills about just thinking about those things. I mean, I just had a lady on your forearm. I see it. So I just got, had a young lady that I've worked with for about five years now and, uh, she's moved up to a longer golf course and she shot 82 the other day in a competitive tournament and finished second.

That was the lowest score she's ever shot in an 18 hole tournament. You know, one of the things, Danny, we go back and talk, we've talked about this before and Rob, I'd love to get your opinion on it. It is so important in my opinion, for, for someone to come to you, a guy that knows how to play a guy that knows what it's like to be nervous.

There's, it's hard to explain what goes through your body when you go through competitive golf, the adrenaline, the crazy thoughts. That's really important to be able to convey that to these young people. Yeah. I think that, you know, you know, Brian Foat and myself, we tell stories down there about how we have been in that situation. We've had how we handled it.

So I agree completely. How much is the mental side of the game that you work with kids? And I know you're doing a lot of the physical and the techniques and things like that, but with kids, they can go up and down. So how much do you work on the mental side of just approaching a young man, a young girl to make them the best golfer they can be that part of the game has as take is a little bit different than it was when, when Jay and I were growing up, we didn't have sports psychologists. So as a teacher, you do become a little bit of a sports psychologist and talking to them through how, how they were feeling, how, how they were, how they reacted and how are they going to make that change differently when they're in that situation. I try to create a competitive situations for the kids during our practices.

So how do you do that? Well, for example, one of the things that we just did the other day, I set up five chipping stations. They were able to practice at each one.

And then I said, okay, we're going to go through this again. And you have one ball, get the ball up and down. How many strokes does it take you to get up and down from here? Your goal is 12. That's two per there's six stations. There's two per that's your goal.

So we try to do it. And the best one of my kids had 13. Well, that was pretty good. He's 11 years old.

13 is not bad, but I go and we're going to get better than next time we're going to do better. Yeah. You know, you can actually chip one of those in Robin.

That's right. You know, they put a club in your hand, you'll show them how to do that. And I think that's really important.

Absolutely. How about putting and working on kids with the kids with putting and give us the idea of some of those drills that for moms or dads out there that you're working on with the kids that you teach? Well, putting is extremely important and most kids are terrible at it. Don't sugarcoat it here.

They are just not good at it. Yeah. And you know, so trying to get them to understand that it is we want to get it as close as we can to the hole. And if it goes in great, but then you want to be able to make the next one. So we do a lot of a lot of drills where creating repetition. So they they had from one putter length, they got to make five in a row and then they go to putter lengths. They make three in a row and then one putter one one more putter length out and they make one.

And so they make they go 531 and then they go through and try to make all eight putts in a row or nine putts in a row. You know, so then, you know, creating some repetition and confidence. You must have the patience of a saint. You're working with the kids. That's got to be tough on you.

It can be at times. I've had a number of strong stern discussions with some kids and with parents, too, because parents, many times I hate saying it this way, but they live vicariously through their children and they think, well, you know, I'm going to get my kids all these lessons and they're going to be the next whomever. So dealing with parents is not an easy thing to true. And, you know, that's one of the hardest things, especially with because the kids are the parents want to help the kids. They're wanting to be supportive of them. Sometimes I tell the parents that, you know, it's it's up to them. They have to do the work. They have to be convinced to want to play, too. It's not just the parent.

It's got to be the kid that's bought in. My wife says this all the time and drives me crazy. She goes, success builds confidence. Confidence builds success. Now, I don't know how many times I've repeated that after she said it, but I'm like, I want to say, well, really? Yeah.

Yeah. It's it's it's difficult. I mean, because your job is you golf instructor, quasi parent, quasi sports psychologist. And, you know, some parents, to your point, Danny, will just almost like they'll dump their kid off and it's almost like a daycare for them, you know, and that is not who you are.

I mean, you're a competitive guy even even now. And with a good resume that that's got to be difficult to do. Those situations where it becomes where you're watching their kid while they're doing other things and the kid doesn't want to be there is the hardest ones to teach. Rob, what's the best way to get a hold of you at Family Golf and Learning Center and get these kids with you? I've worked with you long time ago. You kind of helped me need some more work with you.

Don't put that on. So now you were great and you helped me a great deal. So what's the best way to get a hold of you and start signing up with those lessons with you? They could email me at at Rob at Family Golf online. They can give us a call down there at the golf shop or they can call my my cell phone at three one four five six zero fourteen forty six and five six zero fourteen forty six area code three one four.

OK. And those are the two best ways to do it. Awesome. Hey, thanks for coming in. We really appreciate it. Family Golf and Learning Center is just exploding. And I know we're going to see you down there very, very soon.

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That's Jay Delsing. I'm Dan McLaughlin. We have talked in our show so much about the PGA Tour forming a partnership with Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund and the DP World Tour. We just had Rob Sudorsik, one of the top teaching professionals in the area from Family Golf and Learning Center pop on in. One of the things that was interesting about hearing Rob talk about dealing with the competitive junior golfer is the fact that the mental side of the game is something that has got to be a little bit developed on the player, but you can only do so much. But then also what you try to do is to take them to the next level with drills and different things that you have to do to make yourself as a young person a very good golfer.

Absolutely, Danny. And you know what? For the young player that wants it, some of the mental stuff just falls into place. For the ones that are being forced, you know, they're like, practice is boring. I don't ever remember thinking practice was boring. I was like, I get to hit golf balls again today. I love how you made games within practice. Oh, all the time. I'd be like, when I, I, I never got bored.

I was over there, you know, I, I guess my game wasn't that good. I could go, you know, I'd stick balls under a tree and go, how am I going to get this ball on the green? And I would just play for hours by myself, you know, which is probably why I'm so weird.

No, you're not weird, but it is. I've watched you under trees. It's unbelievable how you get out of all these situations.

I know how to do that, but it brings up the point. You can pound as many golf balls as you want, but still nothing replaces getting on the course and finding yourself in these odd situations. Danny, that's exactly. You're sitting on the driving range. You got a level lie and no, no distractions. You got targets, you get on the golf course. You got water, you've got OB, you've got your buddies giving you grief, you know, all of this, all this, maybe a little money game, money here and there. And the other thing is you only get one ball. Yeah. And that's what you've got. You've got to be able to perform when you need it the most.

And that's the tricky part. The PGA Tour, wrapping up the RBC Canadian Open today, I know in talking with you and I know you very well, you're one of my best friends in the world. You loved playing in Canada. Loved it.

I loved it. I loved loved it so much that even as little as three years ago, I would fly up there and try to qualify for the Canadian Open. I just loved playing up there. I always loved Glen Abbey. One of my favorite courses. It's a Jack Nicklaus design.

It's right in the middle of Oakville. And I had several chances. If you asked me, I should have won that tournament at least twice. And I, the Canadian, you know, we have some, we are lucky enough to have some hockey players that are dear friends of us, just quality salt of the earth human beings. And that's what I feel like the average fan is up there, Danny. They turn out in droves to see everybody come out and play there. They appreciate the fact that you came up there. And, um, I, I loved playing there.

The only thing I didn't love was the taxes. Every time you play well up there in this, in the country takes out 25% of your earnings before you see any of it. Yeah. Well, we were talking about what's happening with the PGA tour, follow the money.

So that leads me into this. What do you think Jack Nicklaus is saying right now about live? He mentioned earlier this week, he said, this is good for global golf as he took the, the big view of this, the 50,000 foot view of what's happened here. And I do agree with that. There are some positives that maybe can come out of what's transpired this past week and leave it to the great Jack Nicklaus, right?

To go, let's go for the silver lining, right? I mean, he's of all people would know probably more than you and I and could have some really stern words for our commissioner, but he doesn't go there. And Rory said something similar. Danny, we are putting so much money now into the game. It is sits directly on our shoulders to utilize this in a way that makes a big, big difference. And I'm not just talking in the charitable dollar because that'll blow everybody out of the water to the sort of money that we'll be able to raise, but we can really make a difference and maybe just maybe some social change somewhere, Danny. I mean, I'm Rebecca of Sunnybrook farm.

I'm a, you know, rainbows and butterflies sort of guy, but I mean this type of money, maybe we can make that kind of change. So Rory wasn't consulted. I mean, he said, I was blindsided by this. I do wonder, was Tiger brought in at all? Was he just asked about it? Was Jack asked about it at all? Or if this single handedly fell on the shoulders of Jay Monahan and maybe he's got a personal confidant or two that he knew would not leak this. I just wonder if some of the greatest players in the world, whether they're impactful now on the course or not, meaning Jack, meaning Tiger, were they brought into this conversation at all?

I wonder the same thing. I mean, judging by the Tiger, has he made a statement? Yeah. But judge, you're fascinated by what he's going to, I am too. And judging by what Jack said, I mean, I don't think, I mean, Jack's response is so broad, you know, that it makes me think, you know, that he's, he's gonna, he, that's how classy a human he is. Listen to the stupid stuff that I'm saying. Cause I'm pissed. He is so much more, ah, take a breath and, and let's, let's look at this from the big picture and, and dump the positive out there.

And he sure did. Moving forward, how fractured do you think relationships are going to be with this? And again, we're, we're not even a week into what's happened here. How fractured do you think the relationships are going to be on tour amongst the players?

Yeah, probably not nearly what most people think because Danny, the one thing about the PGA tour player that there is not, and that's unity. And so I've had people say to me, they call me my phone. Well, you were right next to me.

My phone ran out of juice at nine o'clock in the morning because of all the different information that was coming in. But the one thing that comes back, people had said to me, why don't the players walk out? Why don't they strike? Why don't they make a stand? Because they're not unified. There's no union, which I'm a, I'm an anti-union guy, but you could have an association of PGA tour players.

We are so all over the place because we're independent contractors and it's, you know, the delsing family, the McLaughlin family, the McElroy family, everybody is, you know, does their own things. They have their own schedules and, and we are friends and we are competitors and we love a lot of the same thing, but there's no unity, Danny. And so unless you unite the players in some way to make a stand against this, you have nothing. I think there's going to be some players that get together and say, Jay Monahan, you're out. Oh, you're absolutely out and we're done with you.

It's already, it's already happening. It's I totally agree with you. I don't know if Jay knew he was going to fall on his sword or not by this decision. I don't know if he was, how much clarity he had in his mind to know how what he got paid.

I don't know if he cares. I know this is about the money. This is all, this is, it goes back to the same thing. It makes me want to puke. This is all about the money and it's only about the money. Well, you've been listening to the show. You can tell Jay is really behind this and thinks it's a great thing for God. My head's blowing up over here.

Danny Mac, you are fired up and you were fired up this past week. We were playing golf and we're on the course and you couldn't stop talking about it. I just, I, I feel so, I felt so strongly against live and against the fundamentals of paying the players ahead of time.

No cuts, the exhibition style versus the, and we had the great Tom Watson, Lee Trevino, uh, David Farity, all of them talk about the exhibition nature of live, which is fine. Let the guys take the money. Let the PGA tour exist now.

Okay. I want David Farity back on the broadcast. We're going to get him back on. We'll have a blast.

That would be awesome. Jay, this has been a lot of fun as always. Thanks for doing this. Danny. Thanks for being with me.

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