This is golf with Jay Delsing, a two-time All-American at UCLA, a participant in nearly 700 PGA Tour events, seven professional wins to his credit, over 30 years of professional golf experience, a member of the St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. This is Golf with Jay Delsing presented by Darty Business Solutions. I'm Dan McLaughlin. Over there, that's Jay Delsing.
Our guest coming up, Brandel Chamblee, the lead analyst for the Golf Channel, always opinionated, should be a lot of fun with him. But first and foremost, Jay, good morning. Great to see you. You too, Danny.
Good morning. Yeah. Brandel is, he's kind of must listen to TV, radio, whatever, because he doesn't mince words. He's an incredibly bright guy, Danny. He is well read and he researches things like no one in the game. Few things I want to get into because he's been so passionate and opinionated about this, but number one on the list would be Phil Mickelson.
Yeah, no question about it. I mean, to me, strange banter through social media that goes back between Phil and Brooks Koepke and Brandel. Sometimes I like the fact that Brandel doesn't back down and other times I'm like, why are we wasting our energy on this stupid stuff, guys? And I want to ask him too about Liv. He has come out with the merger upcoming with Liv and the PGA Tour. He's also been very opinionated, passionate about that. He was one of the guys that was one of the biggest naysayers about what happened with Liv and saying, hey, basically, if you're a player and you want to go do that, that's fine, but adios.
And now they could be welcomed back into the game. And I say welcome kind of. So I do really look forward to hearing what he has to say about this. Yeah, no question, Danny. I mean, and that's kind of the recurrent theme that we're hearing. Curtis strange, Tom Watson, Lee Trevino, all of these guys said, listen, you're an independent contractor. You sign this deal, go, but don't come back and say, well, I want to come back on the PGA Tour.
I want my cake and eat it too. I mean, there are so many questions that remain unanswered with this, this sort of stuff. And I know Brandel doesn't have the answers either. We text back and forth all the time, but we're all waiting to just see what this is going to look like and what golf and say 2025 is really going to look like and what is Tiger Woods going to look like when I ask him about that? He is around Tiger when Tiger's playing at these majors, he knows many of the people associated with Tiger. Can Tiger eke out one more win? Will he stay on the PGA Tour?
Is it only going to be the Champions Tour? The injuries have caught up. So getting his opinion on that should be fascinating too. Oh, absolutely.
Well, I love it. And like you said, I think one of the things that you said right at the hop here, Brandel's not short of opinion, man, man, he comes out strong. And we were we were laughing and joking. Oh, gosh, a couple years ago, we were, how did you get to be such an authority on this stuff? And I was given him a little needle. But also, yeah, I mean, he comes out strong. And he said, this is, you know, this is what they want me to do. This is what I do. I research.
None of his stuff comes without at least several really strong foundational basis in some sort of truth, at least in his mind. So Brandel, Shambly will be our guest. This is Golf with Jay Delsing on the range is presented by the Gateway section of the PGA and Family Golf and Learning Center located in Kirkwood.
I want to go back to just a week ago. It's kind of a feel good story of the PGA Tour and Ricky Fowler at the head of the class. And Ricky returns to the winner's circle since his last win on Super Bowl Sunday in 2019.
He's since become married to his wife, Allison, and became a father to his daughter, Maya, his sixth career win. Hey, what's up, everyone? Ricky Fowler here. 2023 rocket mortgage classic champion. Thanks to everyone for for the sport over the years, especially over the last few when we've been struggling. This one feels good.
And this one's for all of you. I know you feel this way, Jay, but it's awesome to see Ricky Fowler win again on the PGA Tour. Danny, how many texted messages did we send between each other on Father's Day when we were really hoping that Ricky would get the get the job done at the US Open? It would have been a major championship, his first win, but it didn't happen. This is fantastic. The look on his face when that birdie putt went in on the layoff. He was like, I cannot believe I actually got to the top of the mountain and it's great for the game.
How do you not root for this guy? He's got his adorable little daughter in his hands. And we know this being dads and definitely having daughters how special they are and getting getting to get back into the into into the real mix in the PGA Tour.
It's just awesome. Now he's in contention. He's been in contention a bunch and maybe some of this credit, which goes to the player, obviously. But he reunited with Butch Harmon and that's obviously made a difference. It really did. And Danny, what came to light here, folks, and I'm not sure if you knew this, but the reason that Ricky and Butch split up years ago was because Butch wanted to pull back.
Butch is not a young man. The ball. Look, it's tough traveling all the time and spending all those hours out on the range. And so what Ricky did was he created this, these ideas and stuff saying, hey, how about if we do this? We'll use this app. We'll send these videos. We don't need to be right in front of each other.
And you can help me out. And we, you know, he's also got his brother who is a member at the medalist where Ricky plays out all the time. That's also given him some intel.
And so they wound up working it out. And Butch Harmon, Danny, you'd say a lot of funny things about Butch. He's married the same woman twice. He's done a lot of things. He has never screwed up a PGA tour player, which is saying a lot. And he is the quintessential teacher on the PGA tour.
Men guys seem to thrive. You know why Danny, he doesn't try to change what the player does. Well, he tries to take what he has. You look at dust DJ with that super shot club face and Bush didn't try to change that. He tried to just coordinate his body and get him to move more and quit trying to hit draws and hit more fades and things like that. Butch takes what the player does well and he maximizes it. And that is not easy to do. Well, you know, the Ascension charity classic, not that far away.
But last weekend, the U.S. Senior Open, Bernard Langer wins at the age of 65, his 46th Champions Tour win to break Hale Irwin's longtime record. And after that, he was asked, how much longer can you go? I really don't know. It all depends if I'm staying healthy or not. There's a lot more aches and pains right now than there have been 10 years ago. But I still enjoy the game. And if I play like I did this week, I'm going to keep playing. But, you know, there have been the odd week when I saw what are you doing out here?
Go home and play with the grandkids, you know. Congratulations. What a week. The record's all yours. Bernard Langer, U.S. Senior Open champion.
So longer now qualifies for the twenty twenty four regular U.S. Open. Buddy, he's going to be 66 when he's playing in that. He's amazing. The fact that he's German, it reminds me of a German machine. You know, he just he just keeps going and going. And I love how, you know, he's experienced some lows in his most recent play. But man, he just keeps on going. Danny, watch that punting stroke.
That putter wobbles all over the damn place. This guy still battles the yips and he continues to win. He's won over 100 tournaments around the world, over 40 events on the on the DP European tour. And now what? Forty six on the Champions Tour.
I mean, what can you say that hasn't been said about him? We were just talking about Butch Harmon leads us to our tip of the week and tip of the cap, which is I know that you're talking about teachers. We're in the full swing of golf here in the summer. So teachers are taking center stage right now in the game of golf.
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Any sort of vehicle you need. Colin's your guy. You can email me J at J. Delson Golf Dotcom and I'll introduce you to Colin. We're tipping our cap to teachers. We've got local teachers from the Gateway section that are out there eating hooks and slices for breakfast, lunch and dinner, Danny. And they're sponsoring the on the range segment along with Adam Betts and his great team of over 10 instructors down at Family Golf and Learning Center, making people better at their game. And it's happening all across our region, not only at these two folks that that sponsor us everywhere, driving ranges out in the country. Danny, our hats off to him. It's not an easy job.
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Find out more at AscensionCharityClassic.com. Golf with Jay Delson. The Front 9 were presented by Doherty Business Solutions. Our guest Brandel Chamblee, the lead analyst for the Golf Channel, Golf Central and for its live from coverage of major championships. He's our guest today and Jay he is one of the best in the business.
He really is. Brandel, good morning and thanks so much for joining us. I so appreciate you jumping on. How are you this morning?
Terrific. Happy to join you, both of you, Jay and Danny. Of course, Jay, you and I have been friends for I don't know, back when we were riding a horse and buggy to college. A long, long time ago and as we were talking about before we came on, here we are. We're still talking about golf. We still love it. It still takes us to some great places.
It allows us to meet some nice people and et cetera. We never stop. I'm taking a golf trip this weekend with my wife.
We're going to meet some friends and play the TPC Sawgrass and then I'm coming back home and then going to work and then I come back home and go on another golf trip to the East Coast with some good buddies. So, the game still treats us pretty good. We got so fortunate. I mean, I can remember meeting you and I think we were definitely teenagers 17, 18, 16, something like that but here we are in our 60s and the game still provides, man. Between the two of us, we have eight children and they've all done well and this game, we kind of outkicked our coverage in this game, so to speak.
It's been great to us. You're right, though. When I talk to young kids, I tell them and I'm sure they're rolling their eyes but it is a game for a lifetime. It's also a game about lifestyle but I don't know any other game that you can play. I mean, I guess tennis but I don't know that people travel to go play tennis but they definitely travel to play golf. So, you make these great friendships and you get to travel together and it's nothing like it. I was fortunate that I took up tennis. I was riding horses when I took up golf and I'm quite certain I wouldn't still be riding horses or I wouldn't be traveling to ride them. So, golf's been great to me and it's great to all of us. I mean, it's a uniter. It brings people together. You're going to these fabulous trips to play these different courses and have these different experiences and it's something that as young people has no idea but you can provide an invitation to someone that otherwise you'd have no way of getting introduced to this person.
It's so true. When I traveled out to Arizona, I was going to school at the University of Texas and we had some college event in Arizona and they had an am-am before it started and I was a pretty big country music fan back then. I still am, I guess, but I was crazy back then. I get paired with Glen Campbell and this is back in the Rhinestone Cowboy Glory day.
He was known as obviously a great country star but also a premier guitar player. He had just bought a brand new Corniche Rolls Royce convertible. We go out and we play in this pro am-am and we win it. To celebrate, he's like, come on, let's celebrate.
I was like, well, what do you want to do? He goes, I just got this new Rolls Royce convertible. Let's go drive up and down Scottsdale Road. We go driving around in this Rolls Royce and he's got the radio on playing Rhinestone Cowboy and he's singing it at the top of his lungs. I'm looking around, it's sunny, it's beautiful, there's palm trees everywhere. We just won this tournament and I'm in the car with flipping Glen Campbell singing his biggest hit when it was his biggest hit. I thought, well, this isn't a bad day.
I eventually moved here. You're right, between all the baseball players and the football players and the basketball players and the hockey players and the entertainers that all love this game, it is a unifier. Everybody else from every other walk of life who loves this game, it is a unifier.
It brings people together from pretty much every fast alike. We're all intrigued by this game and we're all frustrated by it. And the game has kept you very active with television. When you're on the PGA Tour, did you ever envision becoming a lead analyst for this great sport that we love?
No, I didn't. When I was asked a few times in the 90s to do some TV stuff or if I would consider it and I remember being borderline offended, thinking, I'm a golfer, I'm not going to do TV. But the thing I now know about TV is that they really do keep an eye out for people as they approach their 40s and as they begin to matriculate towards the bottom of leaderboards. And they look for anybody that could, they think, put a sentence together because they always are looking for people to do TV. Since I started in, I guess the first year I did TV full-time was 2003 for ABC, but I moved into the golf channel in 2003. But I would have worked with, I don't even know, 20, 30, 40 different professional golfers who've come to the golf channel and stay for a while, left for a while, whatever.
But they're always looking. Even now, a month won't go by when I'm at the golf channel and somebody will ask me, who of the young players do you think would be good at TV? And you just never know, by the way, who will be good.
You just never, ever know because there's people I wouldn't have thought would have been good, who turned out good, people who I thought would have been great. One of the things is you have to do the work. And if they show up, they don't do the work. Well, you run out of stories after about five times on TV.
That's it. Every story you know, you've told. And then you got to come up with some new stuff. But yeah, I never thought I was going to go into TV. I thought I'd play golf my whole life.
But life takes you on all these different trajectories. Randall, who's been your biggest influence on the television side? Not necessarily you wanted to emulate because you have your own style, but is there somebody that you looked at in any sport and said, oh, I like how he's doing that. And that's maybe an influence in your career?
Yeah, loads, loads for sure. Certainly when I first got into TV, it was Bob Costas, Mike Torrico, certainly. As an analyst, Chris Collinsworth, I really enjoy his work, his preparation comes through, his ability to get to the crux of an issue. And that's certainly it.
The fellow that I work with who is work ethic, I certainly admire is Rich Lerner, for sure. I can remember 2003, the Open Championship, was at Royal St. George's that year and then Curtis won. And we were in commercial break right before we went off the air for the week. The producer, I had finished, my hole was the 16th, I'd finished, but I still had my headset on. And I remember the producer, we had about two and a half minutes in a commercial break. And he said, hey, Mike, when we come out of commercial break, we're going to show this video, a two minute long piece of video. So the first time Mike's seen it is when we're in commercial break. So he rolls it, Mike's looking at it and I hear him say, yep, yep, yep, got it. Okay, cool. Nice.
Got it. And then boom, we're back on the air and Mike's got to sign off and he signs off to that piece of video. And you would have thought he had a month to write to those pictures. And he just, you know, every time he spoke, a picture popped up, he spoke perfectly, but it just did seamless. It was wonderful. It was beautiful. And then, you know, that's it. Thanks for joining us. And off we go. And, you know, that night I see Mike and I'm like, man, that was an incredible piece of commentary.
He's like, which one? I said, you know, there at the end of the show, he goes, oh, gosh, I've been doing this 20 years. I've been playing golf 20 years. I don't shoot 61 every time I go out. I certainly appreciate the way they've worked.
You know, again, I love, I love Nance and I love Dan Hicks. But I think every single time you, you watch TV, you can pick something up. But the danger I would say is you can, you can certainly be influenced by people, but the last thing in the world you want to do is try to copy them because if you do, it's just, it's just not you. I remember the first few years I was in TV before I really knew where to find information before I really felt comfortable, all of those things. And you had so many people telling you what to say, when to say it, how to look, how to, how to sit, how to hold your hands. And, and they're all well intentioned and none of it means anything until you get comfortable. And then once you get comfortable, you can do all the things that everybody told you not to do. And nobody notices that nobody, because once you look comfortable, you can set however you want. You can have your elbow where they told you not to put it.
You can say things they told you not to say it all works because you're comfortable and it's yours. So, you know, the hardest thing to do and it sounds like it would be the easiest thing to do is to just be yourself because TV is such a subjective world. You know, in golf, it's so objective.
You shoot 65, nobody can tell you, you didn't play great. On TV, you can do what you think was a great show. People say, ah, wasn't that good. Or you can do what you thought was a crap show. People go, ah, really good show.
So it's so subjective. I felt like I just had to come up with my own criteria for success, which for me was to do, you know, as much prep as I could. And that means what do you got to know? You got to know all the players. You got to know everything that's new that's going on with them. Everything that's old that matters to give context.
You got to know the golf course and you got to know the situation. And then after that, you know all that stuff. One, because obviously you have to talk about it.
But two, so you can just relax and listen. And then when you relax and listen, it becomes more conversational. So all of those things you find out along the way and you put it together piece by piece. And again, back to Torico, Mike told me when I first got into television, he's like, look, you know, it'd be about 10 years before you really get comfortable to a TV.
And I would say he was about right. It takes a while to put all the pieces together. One of the things that I love that you do that I noticed when Bob used to do the Olympics and he'd be in Beijing and he was always able to interject some sort of social issue or something that was relevant at the time that had something to do with the region or something, but not detract from the product, which is ultimately golf for you. But for him was the Olympics. That's not easy.
No, it's not. And Bob was great at that. You know, I just think it takes a lot of time. You've got to spend a lot of time doing prep, keeping current and then always thinking about how is this relevant to the sport that I'm in?
What's the larger picture? My wife teaches or she's an adjunct professor at the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism. You know, she asked me one day to come in and talk to the kids.
She's asked a lot of people in journalism to do that. And I say kids, young adults and you know, the advice, you know, they're asking me, how do you do prep? And I said, well, I said, the best way to do prep, really, I think read as broadly as possible, way well outside the parameters of your particular interest, you know, whether whatever sport it is, read as broadly as possible and try not to lean too hard on all of the material that everybody in your in your little world is reading about.
Because, you know, I get the packages or whatever, but I don't use the packages. I do my own research and I try to read as broadly as possible. And then the closer I get to an event, then I sort of narrow my focus more specifically to that. But you'd like to have as many analogies and metaphors and historical events that are relevant to what you're doing. But to do that, you have to read well outside your realm.
And that's what I try to do. Phil Mickelson could have been a great TV analyst. There's no doubt about it. He could have been the ambassador for the PGA Tour, really for the sport. And I'm curious, Randall, how would you describe Phil Mickelson now as he's jumped from the PGA Tour to live and could have had all those different things that I just said?
Yeah, I agree. I think Phil was on that track. I think Phil was, you know, Phil loved the idea, I think, of being a commentator.
I think all the stars were lining up for him to do just that. Unfortunately, his move to live, you know, likely makes that impossible. You know, the idea that somebody's going to get on TV and start talking reverentially about, you know, the back nine of the PGA Tour event when they've publicly talked about atrocities, not in horror, but with seeming glee, because you can use them as leverage to get what he wants. That's a tough hurdle to get over. I don't know that anybody's going to get over that. That's why the sponsors bailed on him. I think, you know, while Phil's golf is nothing but stupefying, you know, his talent and his longevity is Sam Snead-like, Phil has always been, you know, an acquired taste. But watching him implode late in his career has been sad. I think that's about it, to watch somebody, you know, torpedo their own legacy the way Phil Mickelson has. And, you know, it's not like there's any ounce of contrition in Phil.
If there was, I think, you know, this country's very quick to forgive, but I don't see any contrition in him. You know, narcissistic winners in anything. I mean, yeah, sure, people can win their way to popularity, but not really if they're just, if it's all about them, if it is just narcissistic winning.
That leaves a bad taste in your mouth. There was always that sense with Phil, but I think his transition and trying to recruit players to live without being able to see the big picture is at the very least narcissistic. And it makes him tough to listen to.
He's easy to watch play golf, but he's very tough to listen to. Two-part question. Do you pay attention to live, number one? And number two, do you think the players regret it to some extent, jumping from the PGA Tour to live? I do pay some attention to live. I was talking to, I won't call him out, but I was talking to a writer who covers live at the Masters.
There's not many, so you can, you know, it's one of five probably. So I was talking to this particular writer, you know, he came over and dropped paper at my table. I knew he'd been covering live. And in preparation for the Masters, I said to him, you know, look, I was unable to find your game day stories, game day stories, you know, the wrap up of the three rounds. Every night they'd have a wrap up.
And then what happened on the last day and who won and why they won and all that. And he goes, Oh, I haven't written a game day story. I say, what are you talking about? You don't write a game day story. And he goes, no, nobody writes a game day story about live. And I said, well, I think that tells me all I need to know about live. And he said, yeah, you're right.
We don't write one because it's, it's not so much about who won. It's the phenomenon of live. How much did money have to do with Phil making this move? I mean, I know we're not involved in the back room of Phil's inner circle, but something just reached so much of this quote unquote 200 million that he got. It was almost like he had to do it.
Even now it's sad. You watch Phil holding that coffee cup everywhere he goes. You know, it's like his little teddy bear everywhere. Everywhere you see Phil, he's got this coffee cup in his hand. He's peddling his own coffee. You know, he's made hundreds of millions of dollars playing golf and he has to be peddling something to make more money. You know, I, obviously we don't know his finances, but the fact that he talks so much about money and it's so obviously trying to sell things, you know, it's not hard to connect dots and say that he either has an endless greed for money or needed the money. Either way, it seems to me that he's got this narcissistic, narcissistic bent to him or itch and live, live is helping him scratch it. You know, Phil was always seen to me like the guy who didn't matter if he was playing with a fellow who, you know, created an artificial heart.
He would know more about artificial hearts. You know, I've been around Phil a fair bit. I wouldn't say we were ever friends, but his friends are my friends and you know, I've listened to him enough to know that, uh, he tends to think he's the smartest person in the room, even if he's in a room with the smartest people in the world, felt like he, he thought he could run the PGA tour better than they could.
I mean, the numbers that he threw out, uh, it was a little more than a year ago, year and a half ago, the numbers that he threw out, uh, one, they were wrong. They were all wrong, but two, it just spoke to the fact that he thought that, that he could run the PGA tour better than they were. He was talking about the NFTs and the billions of dollars that, you know, he had to should have the digital rights to just, it showed a, an unbelievable naivete naivete about somebody who ostensibly a bright guy about the business of sport and no other sport allows the media rights, the players to own their media rights to the extent that, that Phil was talking about.
Otherwise it makes their telecast, uh, less valuable, which means sponsors go away and the rest of the people who are making money in the sport are not going to make any money in the sport. So it was very selfish and narcissistic on Phil's part. Randall, if you can hold on great insight into Phil, and I want to get into another guy when we come back, that is a major player in the game of golf and has been for years. Tiger Woods, your opinion, what's his future?
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Okay, let's jump right into it here, Brandel. What is, in your opinion, the future of Tiger Woods on the PGA Tour? Now, isn't it amazing that he's, except for Genesis where he made the cut, but he's played in what, four majors in the last year at 47 with every single part of his body in obvious pain?
Point to any part of his body that hasn't needed surgery. You're hard-pressed to do it from the neck to the back to the legs to the ankles to the feet all the way up and down, and he still manages to make these cuts in majors. I think that in some ways is as telling as him winning by 15 shots. It just speaks to his never quit. I mean, him grinding the cut out at the Masters was amazing to me.
He ran out of ways to sum him up. I don't, after watching at the Masters and watching over the last year and a half and listening to a lot of smart doctors tell me what likely transpired with his injury, everything they told me a year and a half ago seems to be spot on, the doctors. They talked about a very specific bone in the bottom of his foot, essentially crushed in injuries.
The right foot is either on the gas or the brake and going at a high speed. It generally breaks this bone. If it's a clean break, it'll heal up. It's called a talus bone. It's likely crushed. They said to me a year and a half ago, his foot will be likely arthritic the rest of his life and it will swell up every time he walks. Well, that's exactly what it looks like to me has taken place.
Apparently last year at the PGA, some bolt came out of his knee or femur or ankle or leg, one of the injuries since, and then apparently he needed another surgery after the Masters. And I read what the doctor said. There's no reason that you can't compete at the highest level. Okay.
Okay. If this doctor was able to find something to do something that no previous doctor was able to do and sprinkle magic dust in there, that'd be great because it is, there's nothing that, that compares to watching Tiger Woods, even when he's hobbled and aging, there's nothing that compares to that in golf, maybe not even in sport. Every time he plays, I feel like this is the last time we're going to get to watch Babe Ruth at bat.
That's what Tiger is. He's probably already given us, I don't know how many comeback stories he's given us. You can go back to the 2008 US Open. That was a comeback story and 1213 was a comeback story and 1819 was a comeback story.
And every one of these is more improbable than the one that preceded it. On the one hand, he's given us plenty and yet we still want, you know, wouldn't it be cool if he won one more time and was 83. It seems to me it'd be the rightful place for him to be the, the outright leader of all time wins on a PGA tour. But, but perhaps some time Sam Snead is romantic. As I said at the Masters, when Tiger came out and said hello world, he didn't say hello America.
He said hello world. And he really did take golf and expand it globally. I have no doubt that it's in the Olympics because of Tiger Woods. I have no doubt that the reason that a certain dictatorial autocrat murderer in Saudi Arabia by the name of MBS thought that he could sports watch his legacy with golf is because Tiger Woods elevated the game to well the level of other sports in terms of interest. You know, for him to win his 82nd event in Japan, the first year that the PGA tour went to Japan in some ways brings his career full circle because hello world and for him to win in other parts of the world in the US in some ways seems fitting to me. With his multi-ethnic background and his multi-ethnic appeal it seems fitting to me that he, that he was able to win in Japan for his 82nd victory in the PGA tour.
So I think that's a hell of a story if that's the final story of his career. I don't think there's any doubt in my mind that if Tiger had the ability to manage himself a little better off the golf course and some of these things would have broken differently. He would have probably won, I don't know, 25 to 35 majors, well over a hundred tournaments broken every single record that was ever written in the record books just wasn't meant to be for a lot of reasons.
Do you see it that way? And also I was told that if Jack Nicklaus had had more of a goal in terms of numbers of majors to shoot for, that Jack probably would have had 25 and not 18. If you listen to Jack, sometimes he say he was chasing Bobby Jones record of 13. Sometimes he say he wasn't.
Sometimes he said he didn't even pay attention to it. So it's hard to know, but the rest of the world was paying attention to it back when they counted Bobby Jones's amateur victories and British amateur victories as majors. It was 13. Other than that it was Walter Hagen 11 professional majors and Jack passed that pretty quickly and then blew by Bobby Jones 13. And yeah, there was no top of the mountain that Jack was trying to get to.
He was just making the mountain harder to climb for somebody else. And it turns out, you know, the victories that Jack had in 1980, we won the US Open in the PGA at Oak Hill, by the way. And the Masters, those were important because that's the number of majors that separates Jack and Tiger Woods. You know, Tigers got 15 professional majors. Jack's got 18. So Jack won those last three after turning the age of 40. And I hear your point about Tiger.
I've made that point. If you go back and you look at, you know, him changing his golf swing 98-99. And then again in late 2002, three, four, and then again in 2010-11.
And then again in 18-19. And you take all those downtimes, droughts in terms of his victories, and you just apply the win percentages that he had before with whatever swing he was using, and that he had after whatever new swing he was using. It's easy to extrapolate to over 100 victories and 25 major championships.
But I don't think you can separate those. A lot of people will ask, you know, it's an oft-asked question, who is the most overachieving golfer of all time? People love to say Corey Pavan because Corey didn't look like he possessed any great athletic skill, and he was diminutive and had little hands. And as you well know, having played with him at UCLA, he was one hell of a player. I don't think that you can separate. I think the mistake people make is that they try to separate someone's tenacity, in case of Tiger Woods, curiosity from who they are as a person.
You can't do it. It's more a part of their DNA than I would say their talent is. We tend to look at talent and we'll say, God, that person is blessed with so much talent if they only have just a little bit more discipline. But discipline is more, and there's a lot of data, a lot of documentation on this, discipline, if we're going to call it that, tenacity, is more a part of your DNA and who you are as a person than your talent is. Whatever intangible quality you want to put to someone's athleticism, if you want to call it that.
Tenacity is who you are, and it's a part of who you are. So curiosity, I guess, was a part of who Tiger Woods is. And who's to say that Tiger Woods' career would have gone on in those downturns if he hadn't piqued his own interest trying to climb another mountain? I think Tiger's only real competitor was himself.
He had no other competitors. And as much as I thought it was crazy, him building these great golf swings and dismantling them only to build something back that was just as good as before and carry on winning, to me seemed like the craziest thing in the history of not golf, sport. It'd be like Michael Jordan changing the way he hit a free throw or a jumper in 1998. Or shooting left-handed or something. It's so crazy.
It makes no sense. But that was it. It was Tiger's quest for perfection. And the amazing thing about it is, and I think this is, at least in my view, this is the most unreachable aspect of Tiger's career amongst all of the things that no one else is going to do. I promise you, no one's ever going to win majors with four completely different golf swings, ascend to number one with four completely different golf swings. Hell, it takes a lifetime to work out the problems in one golf swing.
And he did it four different times and came back to be number one. I think that was part of the fascination of Tiger. Early on, Tiger, not that I'm friends with Tiger now, I see Tiger a few times a year. He's been nice and said hi the last few times I've seen him. His friends are the nicest people in the world though. His friends are Nota Begay, can't find a nicer guy than Nota. Steve Stricker, can't find a nicer guy than Steve Stricker.
John Cook, Mark O'Meara, Sean O'Hara. These are the best people you'll ever meet in your life. Those are Tiger's friends. So kind of easy to say, Tiger must be a hell of a guy if he's hanging out with those guys. I don't know Tiger, essentially, but I know his friends.
And it speaks volumes about the type of person, at least in my view, type of father that he is. I think he's got other long-term interests now besides golf. And I don't think he gets enough credit for his philanthropic. Tiger is not so quick to talk about the Tiger Woods Foundation. And I think to me, that's like the true essence of charity, is somebody who more or less, not that he's doing it anonymously, but it's not the first thing you hear Tiger Woods talk about.
It's the 20th. And yet he's helped thousands of kids make their way through sort of STEM classes, fund their education. And I think that speaks volumes about Tiger Woods' legacy and the fact that he doesn't offer it up so quick, I think is another feather in Tiger's cap. Absolutely. Brando, you've been amazing with your time and we were talking off the air. I think you're the best analyst in golf.
You're honest. You educate people and you've educated us during this visit. So thank you so much for doing this. Well, it's my pleasure, Danny and Jay. Danny, I hope our paths cross. Jay, look forward to seeing you again down the road. I've so enjoyed our friendship over the years and I look forward to talking to you all again in the future and talking about some fat Greek. I'll be thinking about you guys when I do it. We can't wait to listen, buddy. Thanks so much.
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We're presented by Darty Business Solutions. Our guest today, Brandel Chamblee. A lot of things that he got into from Liv, Phil Mickelson. I love the stuff though on Tiger Woods.
He said the only real competitor for Tiger Woods over the years and maybe moving forward is himself. Danny, so much. So, so true. I mean, so many self-inflicted massive injuries. I mean, even the physical ones, you know, with the car accident and then you start thinking about, you know, the stuff that happened in 2009 and that kind of chasm that he fell into and then that the return, man, you know, the one thing that golf had never had, they never had such a charismatic champion since Arnold Palmer, right?
That was just so out there. And then you have Tiger, but Tiger brought in a drama to the golf scene too, Danny. And then you couple that with Phil Mickelson and his gambling and his this is and his that's. And all of a sudden the, the PGA tours is soap opera. Like Brandel said, when he came out, it wasn't hello United States.
It was hello world. And how indicative of what was to come was that sort of statement. And that's what he saw. That's what he was raised to do.
I mean, we've talked about this so many times. The biggest thing that I noticed about Tiger Woods when he would play on the PGA tour was the fact that he had already seen the movie. He had watched himself.
He had prepped himself. He was knowing that he was going to win these championships and then went, did it. He said is the craziest thing in sport.
And I happen to agree with it. Tiger Woods was number one in the world by a long shot. I mean a long shot.
It wasn't even close. And he changes his swing four different times. Explain to the listener out there changing your swing and how dramatic that is in the game of golf. Oh, it's like, it's like shaking hands, left handed. It's like doing whatever you do the opposite way because this stuff gets so ingrained into the way that you move, the way that you swing and things like that. Danny, it takes such effort and so much time and it just tells you what kind of work or what kind of work ethic this Tiger Woods had.
I mean, this guy got something in his field of vision and just was relentless. It's our final segment. I forgot. We need to give away some golf balls. Let's do it right now. We got to do it guys.
Anybody, gals, you too. Anybody wants a dozen golf balls, compliments of Jeff Thornhill and the TaylorMade Golf Company TP5s. Danny Mac, I saw you playing them last week. Left, right. Duck hooks. They keep the straight ones. They don't give us the straight shooting ones, but just send me an email. Jay at jdelsongolf.com.
That's spelled J J Y on both ends of that. Put the word balls in the subject matter somewhere and we'll put you in for the drawing. We just gave away four dozen the week of June and we're, we're doing it again in July. So the ladies playing the TP5s, you know, the guys are as well. Speaking of the ladies, it is the U S women's open at pebble beach. My favorite course in the whole world.
I love it. I got to play a U S open there, played numerous, I think 26 AT&T pebble beach pro ams out there. Such a so fortunate to have that happen. And this golf course is so iconic.
I can't wait to see how the other women do. How about the fact that you said this is your favorite course. You played all over the world. You played the best places of the best places.
So why is this the best place? It's it's it's right there on the Pacific ocean. All of that history, Danny, you've got the lodge there, the tap room, the it's just, it's just driving into that area. It's one of my favorite areas in the whole world, that moderate peninsula, you know, Cypress point is out there. You've got great golf courses around every corner. You've got 17 mile drive for, for a Midwestern kid to get to play pebble beach, you know, two or 300 times. Like, I mean, pinch me and then shoot me.
Hey, you're honestly, I'm no one's going to do that yet, Jay. So when you're on the ocean though, the course can literally change throughout the day. Like, like nothing you've ever experienced. Danny, I remember playing in the 92 us open and I had, I had birdied for the first six holes in the, with, with no wind stood up on the seventh tee, that 98 yard par three, and I hit a seven iron 98 yards. You're hitting a seven. I kicked up the wind blew. It was a monster. It was a beast after that.
And it, it was some kind of fun. And if you're watching to the Marine layer, it comes in as well. That makes it a, and anybody that watched the men's us open saw that with LA country club, but that happens at pebble beach too, without question.
And it can get extremely cold. Danny. I played in a us amateur when I was, I think a Southmore in college and that was it. The Olympic club, which is down in San Francisco. I walked, went out to California. This is how much I knew California with one sweater. I wound up going to Walmart, buying a bunch of turtle X and I didn't have any money.
And I wound up buying one, you know, us amateur sweater. And we never saw the sun one day. So the Marine layer is a thing in June and July.
If you go out in October, bright and sunny and beautiful, it can be, I think that Mark Twain said one of the coldest summers I ever, our winners I ever spent was a summer out in San Francisco. The Ascension charity classic is around the corner. It's going to be at Norwood Hills. I keep asking you every week for an update and let me tell the listeners about my man here. So that's going to be played from the tips, which Jay's shooting at least part, probably two to three, four under, but a couple of times we played up for different events that we've had out at Norwood. He puts up a 64, a 66.
I'm not sure you're really interested anyway, but you're still putting up low scores. Your game is really in shape, man. It is.
Thank you. It's really good. I've been, I've been enjoying getting to play you play with you and watch your game, your money proving we'll take a little money here and there just for the hell of it, but no, but the golf course is in great shape and I can't, I can't wait. It's I didn't realize, and I told you this as soon as it happened, I'm like something completely changed in the way I'm able to move and hit the golf ball. I picked up almost 15 yards with every club and you've seen it and, and my iron game has come back.
So I'm hitting quality iron shots every single day, still driving the ball pretty well, still putting the ball pretty well. So lot of, lot of fun stuff. I just can't wait. I can't wait to be really, really nervous Danny. Gosh, I think of Nick, Nick we're going and Steve Spratt and the whole essential group for, I just thank them for, for bringing this to St. Louis, for bringing me on and for giving me an exemption.
I just, I can't wait to play. I want to remind everybody. We have a podcast together that drops every Wednesday.
It's called beyond the fairways with an S beyond the fairways with an S we have some of the biggest names in golf. And as we wrap up the show, Barbara Nicholas was our guest, the first lady of golf this past week. But Jay, we got to run in just a moment. So what did you take away from the Barbara Nicholas interview very quickly? Just the sort of human being that she was as soon as she jumped on the, on the call with us, I introduced her to you. It was like, she'd known you her whole life. And she was just, I mean, she has a certain light about her. There's love.
Then you go, Oh yeah. And by the way, she and Jack have raised over 200, $300 million since 2004. Incredible.
Forget about what happened before then. And you know, she's, she started, she gave it some advice about for, to her wives. She counsels Ricky Fowler, who calls her her second mom, who, and she talked about how delighted she was about him winning again. And so, I mean, she just puts a smile on your face and makes you feel good.
She really does. This has been a lot of fun. Brandel Chamblee, our guest and for Jay Delsing, I'm Dan McLaughlin.
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