Show Heads to the iconic Maggie O's For A Visit With Proprietor Eddie MCVey & Derrick Goold St. Louis Cardinals Beat Writer And Wes Edwards From STL HOF

This is Golf with Jay Delcey. A two-time All-American at UCLA. A participant in nearly 700 PGA tour events. Seven professional wins to his credit. Yeah.

Over thirty years of professional golf experience. A member of the St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame. This is Golf with Jay Dulce. It's like.

It's golf with Jay Delsing on a Sunday morning on 101 ESPN. And with Jay Delsing, I'm Dan McLaughlin. We're coming to you from Maggie O'Brien's. And we're downtown St. Louis on remote.

And Maggie O's has been kind enough to open up early for us. They'll have all the NFL games, a Sunday NFL coming up at Maggie O's. But first, Jay, great to be with you. Great to be in Maggie O's. Oh, Danny, this is a fantastic place.

And to have Maggie O's support the show. My good buddy Eddie McVay, we grew up in the same village up in North County. Eddie, youngest of 11. Unbelievable. He's a great guy.

Guys, you got to get in here and see the new place. Can you believe how cool the new place is? He is. This place is really nice. And it helped out when Citi decided to make sure and become official.

You're not far away from the Blues. You're not far away from the Cardinals.

So this is in the heart of downtown St. Louis off of Market Street. It's a great place, beautiful place. Revamped, redone, renovations here, and the place is already packed for this private party. Yeah, absolutely.

I just love the energy. These remotes are really, really fun. Golf with Jay Delsing and our guests coming up. And we like to get folks from all different walks of life, and it could be sports-related, could be non-sports. But in this edition of Golf with Jay Delson, we have Derek Gould from the St.

Louis Post-Dispatch. He's been covering the Cardinals for well over a decade. He covered the blues for a long time, so we'll visit with him about his career, and also Wes Edwards, who has a hand in the St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame. I know you're very proud to be a part of that.

And Wes Edwards will stop on by as well. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, these are guys that are part of the community, part of the fabric. Why wouldn't we have them on the show? We're also going to help, hopefully, Eddie can stop in and just say a few words to us.

But this is what's so cool about having the show and being part of the community. You get to come to a place, an iconic place, like Maggie O's. And, you know, how many people, as we walked in here, asked about the show, how you guys doing? What's going on? It's really fun.

Hero World Championship, if you want to call it that, is going on. I call it the championship because you got Tiger Back. No, it's like, I just wanted to send a thank you. Christmas came early. The big cat's playing again.

It's awesome. It is awesome. You know, Denny, his first round. I got to tell you, I was impressed. I'd say Rusty doesn't do it justice.

He had a little bit of everything, but I'm talking about the way that he walked, the way that he looked physically, the way that he swung. I thought there was a lot of speed and a lot of good there. A lot of speed in day one that carried over through the weekend, and I think today is the big test. Can he get through four days? And if he looks healthy enough to walk and be consistent in that regard, then watch out.

He has said that his schedule will include one tournament a month, if not more.

So what tournaments do you think? You got the four majors, and what else do you think he'll be playing? I'm sure he'd try to play the players' championship if he can. It all depends on the scheduling, and I haven't looked at the 24 schedule yet to see how much time I'm sure he's not going to love playing back-to-back. But it also, a lot has to do, Dee, about what's going on with the kids, what Charlie's schedule's like, you know, and to kind of see what's going on there.

But the Players' Championship would be. Won Jack's tournament in Muirfield Village and Dublin, Ohio would definitely be on the radar. You know how much he loves Torrey Pines if he can, you know, we're talking about places, Danny, where he's won six, seven, eight times Bay Hill, his respect and love for Arnold Palmer and that great championship.

So it'll be interesting to see what happens. And obviously, Augusta will be circled largely in the springtime. He's got to play in the Genesis, doesn't he? I got to believe. I mean, that's his tournament, so he's got to play in that.

So that would be five. Yeah. That's five months covered. But I would imagine if he starts to feel better as he goes along, he may push this thing a little bit. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, and look, this is as competitive a human being as we know. And what drives that engine is beating up on people. Absolutely. He's got a lot of pent-up energy to beat up on people. And that's why we talk, you know, and we're in December now, and it's his birthday month, so he's.

Oh gosh, I think it's towards the end of the month when he turns 48, but we're under two years-ish. For the Champions Tour, man. That's a thing. You think he's going to play in the Champions Tour? I hope he does.

I think he will, too. I do, too, man. I mean, he can ride a cart, he could play. 12 times out there, Danny, get his juices flowing again, work on the other business parts of his life and. Cream us.

Competition. That's what you've always talked about when you... Mention the name of Tiger Woods. You always say, the guy loves to compete. Yeah, the money's great.

The adulation, I'm sure to a point is great for him, but it's about championships and it's about competition. 100%. 100%. The guy, why would he not go to live and you're not going to buy him? You are not going to buy him, which is so refreshing in today's world.

Plus, he's already got a pocket full, right?

So that helps. But this guy wants his name on every single trophy or record that he can get on.

So the question is: can he win one more time? I can't. I think he can. I mean, watching him so far this week, and I know it's only three rounds, we haven't seen the fourth round yet, but I I I mean I do. I think I've counted them out so many times, Danny.

Don't count them out. You can't count this guy out. We love talking about different things that happen in the world of golf. Paul McGinley filling in as the lead analyst for NBC's coverage after the departure of Paul Asinger. You know Paul Asinger.

You had a chance to text with him back and forth. But Paul McGinley now, a part of the broadcast. Yeah. Okay, so I'm just gonna say this. I mean is is is it an accent?

I mean, listen, I like Paul McGinley. He has a great resume, and I even like him okay on the broadcast and stuff, I really do. But it's almost like if you're an American speaking, you know, obviously they're all speaking English, but with their accents, it's almost like if you don't have an accent, You're out. It sounds kind of like the tradition, though, of golf. I know.

When you have that accent, it just seems very stately, and it's something that you really enjoy. Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's kind of that throwback our Scottish roots in the game and things like that. I'm not exactly sure, but I mean, look at how they've gone. You know, Trevor Ermelman is now lead analyst for CBS and the golf channel, Frank Nabel.

Frank Nabolo's down there, Ian Bakerfinch. It's like we've got these guys from all around the world, and if you don't have an accent, you don't seem to hang around. Coming up, we'll visit with Derek Gould from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. He is a longtime B-rider on blues hockey and now with the St.

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Rolling on, it's golf with Jay Delsing on a Sunday morning on 101 ESPN, and we're on remote at Maggie Yo's private party before the NFL Sunday gets going down here in downtown St. Louis. That's Jay Delsing. I'm Dan McLaughlin. Let's say hello to Derek Gould, longtime beat rider of the St.

Louis Cardinals and the St. Louis Blues. Briefly the Blues, Lance. Not briefly. That's okay.

We're like three years. That doesn't really, though, the St. Louis Blues out in Colorado, is that correct? Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I'd pinch it.

So it took you back to the base. That's a pretty small term. Yeah. Yeah, first place I ever covered in an NHL game was there for the Rocky Mountain News. But you just did it for the post, though.

Oh, yeah, so it got me back in the door at that's not even Pepsi Center anymore. I almost dated myself, but at Polarine. I went to ball arena to cover puck. Go figure. It's okay, back to your roots.

It's good stuff. Derek, we love having you, and welcome to the show. Thanks for coming in. I'm a baseball family. You know, my dad played, and this has been a.

interesting offseason so far for the Cardinals. I have to say some of my friends are underwhelmed by some of our free agent choices, but you're more in the know than most of us. What are your thoughts about what's going on so far?

Well, they addressed the biggest weakness of last year's team. Not the only weakness of last year's team, but the most significant, the one that contributed the most to the fact that they couldn't really sustain anything. You think about all the problems they had last year. A lot of them started, and again, they weren't the only one, but started with a lack of innings and had this cascade effect where it just was like they spent the whole year chasing quality starts, chasing some kind of steadiness, some kind of reliability from the rotation. They've addressed that, you know, with their three signings and Michael's coming back, they have four starters who threw more than 180 innings last year.

That's four of 23 in the majors that are now in the same rotation. Will they get that from them? That's what they want. And that brings a lot of stability that has a trickle-down effect, just like it caught up with them and created like this avalanche of issues last year. There, a little avalanche drop there.

I like it. I caught that. I'll see what you did there. They created for them, they hope that this gives them sort of a bedrock, some kind of foundation to build from. If they get good start after good start, after good start, that's a really good way to contend through 162 games.

Now, we're a golf show, but you notice that we talk baseball a lot. Yeah, a lot. I like it. His dad played in the major leagues. Nice.

Jim Delsing, so he was also involved in the Eddie Goodell situation. Oh, that's right. His dad was the pinch runner for Eddie Goodell. There you go.

Okay. You talk about a fear trivia. We got it. We got a lot of it. What is it like being a B-rider trying to cover now with the advent of the internet in the last 20, 25 years, but trying to cover an offseason?

It's got to be tough. Yeah, I mean, it's changed even from five years ago, 10 years ago. It's just, it's a radically different media landscape. because there's so much more media. And they're not all like, you know, they all want to be first or they want to be more than first.

They want to predict what's going to happen.

Sometimes predictions get passed along as reports.

Sometimes speculation in hindsight is taking credit as scoops. There's a lot of just way different, I feel for readers in this way because they're just, they're hit with this cacophony of information and they don't know what are the standards that went into the reporting that versus guessing that. I mean, now you have aggregators that are in there too, which then collect all the stuff that has been reported and sometimes put it under their banner, sometimes give credit, sometimes don't, sometimes link, sometimes don't, but it's passed along as, you know, Like, I guess, independent reporting or self-generated reporting, but it's based upon the backs of Ken Rosenthal or Jeff Passon or the local beat riders. And again, I feel for the readers who have to differentiate between that. And then I feel it personally from the sense that, like, all right, well, you, what do you do?

You have to keep up with it all. And the way that I've kind of gone about it is like, try to stay ahead. Just try to do what you can to stay ahead. Instead of like going, all right, well, tweeting out what the Cardinals did, write for weeks what they're trying. to do.

and be sourced and report well enough so that You know, along the way, you can tell fans this is what they're trying to do. Derek, it's interesting because we're in this world, besides the, forget the cancel culture and all this other craziness that we're living in, there's so many voices now. You know, and as a big fan and somebody that reads a lot, to your point, half the time we get stuff and it's unverified. I mean, we got a couple things today that said Jay Monaghan is out as our commissioner, and then we also read an article where it said he's meeting with Yasu next week.

So there's just, it's like misinformation and everybody's got a voice and it's maddening at times. Yeah, and what do you as a consumer, what do you as a reader? I mean, what do us as reporters, journalists, and media, what do we cling to? You know, my editor at the Post Dispatch, the sports editor of the Post Dispatch, you know, the Post Dispatch has the Pulitzer, you know, Joseph Pulitzer's call for what journalism ought to be. It used to be on the wall, now it's printed there, and you know, it's like these are the standards.

That you have to go by. And my sports editor, Roger Hensley, there had a really good line once where he was like, Look, you know, we're a digital medium, right? We're on your phone, we're on the website, and everything like that. But we also have a paper that is delivered to some people still.

So we have to be right on the porch. That's what he was saying. He was like, you know, if somebody gets a tweet wrong, they can go delete it. You can't go around and collect all the papers. You have to be right on the porch.

And so it's, you know, you want to be as fast as the phone, as fast as social media, but you got to be right on the porch. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall when guys are playing golf? I'm talking about the ball players. When they're out playing. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall in some of the conversations that probably take place on a golf course?

I don't know. Maybe. I don't know if I'd be like, I wouldn't mind being there to be part of it. Like, I don't know about being a fly and not being able to say anything. You know what I'm saying?

No, I know. But wouldn't I be able to get some barbs in too? No, you're there to report.

So if you were there to report, what would it be like, you think? I mean, I'd enjoy it because it's a new chance to tell you, I actually have done something like that. What was it? I remember Albert Pujols' golf tournament in California. Yeah, yeah.

So it was out, and I believe CJ Cron, the former angel, and moved around, I think I'm pretty sure it was him, and a few other folks. There were a few other big leaguers. And it was like I was with them. I was on the car with them. And they invited me along.

You know, I didn't golf or anything like that. But to see the golf course, to see the event, and it was interesting to see, Jock Peterson's brother was there. Jock Peterson was not there. And so I got to meet him and the Peterson family.

So yeah, I've gotten to do that. It's interesting when you get covering baseball players, covering hockey players, get them away from the ballpark, away from the rink, and get them in a setting where they're comfortable. Absolutely. And try to write that story. You might also hear different things, right?

I mean, because some of the guys that I've got to play with from the crossover from the different sports, you get to, you know, when you're playing golf with someone, you get four or five hours with them. Yeah. You know, and it's also very intimate, whether you're in a cart together, whether you're walking, even if you're in separate carts, you still are getting to spend this time. You know, with some of these people, you're like, how the hell did I get it? that happen and that's really through the game of golf.

Danny, I talk about this all the time, Derek. I've gotten to play with presidents of the United States and things like that, and it's just insane. Who did you play with that? Gerald Ford and Bill Clinton. I didn't know that.

Yeah. Click Willie. Did they talk to you, or did they want a lesson on the course or what? Gerald Ford could hit the ball in any direction. Yeah, he was scary because when you were in this gallery, they didn't know whether to look out to the right or look to the left because down the middle was not in jeopardy.

Yeah, it happens. But a lot of baseball players, in particular, the starters. Yeah, the pitchers. They're the ones that want to play golf. Yeah, they're the ones that play golf, which sometimes relievers bring up and roll their eyes.

Like, nice to have a day off where are you going to go play golf? You know, like, I was talking with a player recently just about playing golf, and I asked him if he won. He goes, I was going against a starter. Do you think I won? Yeah, paraphrasing.

And I said, well, you know, you have to take a stroke off for every day off that they have between playing.

So, you know, how'd you do? If that's like, if that's the measure. If you take a stroke away for every day they have off during the season or for during a week, he's like, oh, then I did much better. I like that measure. We just had Ricky Horton on the show, and Horts was talking about how he played, and he was with a teammate that had, remember, he said he had to play golf and walk on the day that he started because he wanted to kind of take the edge off a little bit.

Get the blood flowing. Yeah, get the blood flowing a little bit. Yeah, I mean, the Cardinals have had their fair share of position players who golf. I mean, Dexter Fowler will golf a lot. I used to play every day with Tony Womack.

Yeah, every day. Colonel Wong played a lot of people. Colt Wong played a little bit. And Paul DeYoung plays golf quite a bit. Yep.

There are guys who do it. I find it interesting because they say, some will say, well, it changes your swing. It could have an effect on your swing. And the baseball player's like, absolutely not. No, Paul Goldschmidt talks a lot about it.

I mean, he doesn't play during the season too much, or if at all, I'm not sure, but he plays a lot in the offseason. He loves it. He talks about that, like it's not going to change his swing. Derek Gould from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, and I can say longtime baseball B-writer is our guest.

Very true. Christmas is around the corner, and I love getting into the 100 things. Oh, yeah. You wrote the book, 100 Things Cardinal Fans Should Know and Do Before They Battle. That's a great book.

It's awesome. Great bathroom read.

Well, whatever. Whatever you want to read it, it's a great read. How were you able to nail it down to 100? Because I know you're a very, very thorough reporter, and how were you able to nail it down to 100 things?

Well, this is an interesting question. I mean, because you could do 150, 175, 412. You could do any number. But I wanted to, so the premise of the book, this was early on, now they've done them for a lot of different sports. The Cardinal one was one of the first ones, along with the Red Sox and maybe the Dodgers.

But the notion was like, all right, how do I get the right blend of history, people, places, and Of things, like things to do, places to visit, and I wanted to create a good blend of that and then have it have some logical order so that it was like a little bit of a roadmap for fans. Like, I need to know this event happened, oh, I can visit this old ballpark. You know, and it wasn't like, here's a list of old ballparks, that's nine through 18, but that is scattered throughout so that it has some kind of logical flow, even if I was the only one who got a kick out of the order of it, but is that it had some kind of Yo You could read it and you could pick it up and read it at any point. But if you read it all the way through, then it kind of took you on that journey and it had a logic to it. That was the goal.

And so I shaved it down from there into 100 that did that. Derek, what have you seen that's changed the most in the game and your job in the last 10 years from when you started? Because the athletes are different now. They're younger, the older, you know, there's just a wide variety. And you're dealing with a bunch of different guys from all over the planet, right?

So you get some guys from the Dominican, maybe from Puerto Rico and South America. And what's changed the most from your position? That baseball teams are now run like insurance companies. They're all about risk management. You know, it's the analytic revolution that went to a point as far as evaluating the game and putting a value on the game, both of which, I mean, those are great things.

And that was a revolution that needed to happen. But now it's dictating the game. And that was something that I, a spillover that we should have seen coming that I'm not sure we all did. The notion that analytics would go from being able to measure and put the proper value on base percentage as some way to simplify it, or on defense, or all these things that we can measure, to then dictating how the game was played, I think was the leap that I've seen is the biggest one. And that's all risk management.

And it's basically, I mean, it's the tail wagging the dog. And is that a good game? We saw some correction this past year, but we haven't seen it in the marketplace. And I'm waiting and wondering if some of the changes, I'll give you an example, we've seen with starting pitching and the risk mitigation with starting pitching, some of that has a real effect on limiting the cost teams spend on starters. If you don't have them go six innings, don't have them go seven innings, you can pretend like, oh, it's for their benefit, oh, it's the third time through, but you also are surprised.

Cost. When the market catches up, we'll find out. It's really interesting because who would have thought, I feel like we've taken the analytics and gone, we've hit 90 miles an hour, we need to peel this thing back because they're handy, but Yeah. Danny, to me it... It seems like the manager has so little say in what's going on, and or that immediate feel like he knows the players better than everybody else.

But some of these decisions are made at two o'clock in the afternoon. Average starter last year went five and a third. It's a joke. It's amazing. It's a five and a third.

No, an average starter in major league. And it's under the guise of third time through, which is real. And again, the analytics driving. But you have to have a feel for the game. But you have to watch the game, but you also have to have a feel for the style of pitching.

Look, if you have a guy who goes out there, max effort, you know, RPMs all the way up and can give you five at that, well, what if he dials back and gets you seven at just a slightly less max effort? You know, gets some contact. You know, it's all about missing bats, missing bats, overpowering, overpowering. And like the notion of like the Dave Duncan, hey, man, soft contact every so often with a good defense behind you, that helps you be efficient. It's like we don't talk enough about pitch efficiency, and we don't talk enough about the benefits of those seven.

Inning starts to a bullpen, but also the game isn't paying for that.

So the market has to correct before the game will.

So, Derek Gould, by the way, is our guest from the St. Louis Post Dispatch. You're not supposed to be biased in your job, you're supposed to be down the middle, but we're human beings, so there are some that probably are easier to deal with or not supposed to be down the middle, I'm supposed to be fair.

Well, okay, let's go on fair. Who's the middle between falsehood and fact? I can go for the fact. Who's been a guy that you really enjoyed covering?

Well, I mean, the right answer and the obvious answer, I mean, I covered all of Adam Wainwright's career here, and actually, all of Yadier Molina's, too. You know, give or take a few weeks. We kind of arrived there at the same time. But Adam Wainwright, I started in 04. He had already been traded to the Cardinals, but not yet in the majors.

And to see him. Grow with the team, grow a family, grow a career, 200 wins. The long conversations we've had, the stories that he's shared with me, the stories I've got to tell about him, about his brother, about his mother, and how strong she is and how influential she is. You know, for two boys who grew up without a dad, you know, the stories of him trying to get permission to propose the day he was traded, all those things that he has shared with us and allowed us to tell. I've enjoyed that.

Career has not been linear. You know, he's had the injuries along the way, he had to find a role. That helped the team when he couldn't pitch for a team that turned out to be a championship team. These are compelling stories, and his honesty and his ability to tell a story, and his interest in being a part of the team, part of the history, but also part of the community. I've enjoyed telling that story.

It's not over with either. I mean, he's got more stories to tell. No, no doubt. He'll be with the club in some form, capacity, whatever the case may be. How about the most frustrating guy?

Huh. There's got to be a few that come to mind. There are a few. Can I? You can do whatever you want.

Yeah, so I mean There are times that I enjoy. Covering a frustrating guy. In fact, a lot of times I do, and I'll be honest with you in that regard. Like, there are guys who are difficult interviews who will acknowledge their difficult interviews. The Cardinals recently resigned Lance Lynn, who enjoys sometimes being a difficult interview.

You remember Jeff Supon, not a difficult interview, but a guy who said, I'm not going to give you much, and I'm going to do that on purpose. And it's like, all right, cool.

Well, I'm going to try to get it. But I'm like, all right, well, then it's up to me to find a way. To uh To get a good, like, what can I engage you in? What conversation can I, you know, what can I learn about you? How can I approach questions?

How can I gain your trust to do that interview? Or, in some cases, how can I be as combative as you are so that you get, you know, you give it back? And I enjoy that. Like, try to get a good interview from a guy who is reluctant to give one. That's a good challenge.

Wouldn't you love to cover as we wrap it up, Tiger Woods? Wouldn't that be a compelling story? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, come on, wouldn't you want to get into his head a little bit if you could? He doesn't let many in, but wouldn't you love to find out?

I don't think I have the expertise to cover golf. I know I'm on a golf show. I mean, you cover the human, right? Yeah. If you don't have the expertise on the sport, I did once get in a, I did go cover a golf tournament.

In New Orleans, when I was at the Tom Spicy, and Freddie Couples and I got in a shouting match over a practice. I kid you not. Like, I was a young reporter, and I didn't think the way he kind of blew out the reporters when he hadn't made a mistake. And he was frustrated. Totally get that.

Cool-down period, fine, whatever. But the way he kind of handled it, I was like, well, I don't have to put up with this, and I'm not going to be here tomorrow.

So it was pretty good.

So we just got a shouting match with each other. Love it. Hey, buddy, thanks for coming in. Really appreciate it. Yeah, very much.

It's great to be here. Thank you, guys. Thanks for the invitation. Good to see you in person, Dan. Nice to see you.

Happy holidays to you and your family. You too. All the best, Eric. Thanks so much. That's Shay Delsing.

I'm Dan McLaughlin. That's Derek Gould of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. In hour number two, we'll visit with Wes Edwards from the St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame.

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I'm looking right now: one, two, three, four, five, seven, eight. There's at least nine TVs from the chair that I'm sitting in right now. Oh, and one right behind us. Actually, two. Yeah, two right behind us.

Two right behind us here at Maggie O's. That was fun to visit with Derek Gould. I know you love talking baseball. I just love it. And it was interesting.

You know, he's. I could almost feel a little bit of his intensity. You know, he's an intense guy, and when he talked about. Almost felt like he looked at certain interviews as challenges, you know, and he kind of liked to match energy with energy. And, like, you know, he's going to have a hell of a lot with Lance Lynn for a whole year, isn't he?

I love Lance Lynn. I love the addition. Dude, I love the fact that he's got that edge. I just love it. Who was a guy on the PGA tour that was like that, that had the edge?

He mentioned Freddie Couples, but Couples wasn't like that. He wasn't, you know, so much a rusty nail against the media, was he?

Well, what happens with Fred is that when he's had enough, it doesn't matter if you're in the middle of a wedding or if you're out. He's out. He's just out. He's out. I've had enough.

And so, like, in the middle of an interview or something, he'd be like, I gotta go. And so that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Hey, Derek didn't take this the right way, in my opinion. I do want to be a flyer. I don't know.

That's the other thing. I'm like, Derek, Danny's trying to say, think of the conversations. Think of the juicy nuggets you're going to get from the players when they're out, you know, hanging around with a buddy and they're hitting five irons. That's the beauty of golf, though, isn't it? It is.

That's a relaxing environment. We've had, I mean, over the course of my career, the conversations that I've had with the people I've been fortunate enough to play with are ridiculous. Absolutely. You know, all walks of life. Hey, you got to tell me.

Yeah. I didn't know you played with a couple presidents. Yeah. Yeah, what the hell's wrong with you? Why didn't you tell me this?

I don't know. How did you get involved with that? How did they did they seek you out or what? Yeah, so I got involved.

So Gerald Ford, I got to play in his tournament.

So I got to play with the the former president several times. And then he had his Gerald Ford event in Vail. And it was like... He's just walking around like a normal guy. Weren't you nervous still playing with him?

I would have been afraid of the money. I really wasn't. I really wasn't. I don't know why I wasn't. I don't know.

Like I said to you, most of my life I've been not smart enough to be afraid. I probably should have been petrified and I wasn't. I don't know what I would ask.

Well, actually, I do. I'd ask a lot of questions to a president. Including how's my 401k doing. But other than that, other than that, there'd be a lot of questions. There'd be a lot of questions for a president.

So what was the conversation like? Oh, it's just normal. Just talked about golf. I asked him, you know, because he's a Michigan guy. He's, I think, I think President Ford's from Michigan, isn't he?

I think it's been a while, but yeah, just we were just walking. I mean, Danny, there's guys in sunglasses around every tree. You know, there's Secret Service and all that stuff. And his wife was there. His tournament was a real family-oriented thing, dude.

It was really fun. We'd get together at night and have cocktails, and all of these celebrities would play in it. And there would be a movie star occasionally, and then we golfers and then a lot of businessmen. And we were just. You know, it seems odd to say this, but...

Because of the way It started for me on the PGA tour where, Danny, back in the day when you went to. When I first played in the AT ⁇ T, it was called the Bing Crosby Clam Bake. That's how I'm aging the hell out of myself. But so, Danny. And then, so Bing Crosby was there until.

You know, he wasn't able to be, and then Danny. Bob Hope Desert Classic. Bob was there every year. And I met Bob. Bob handed the Dutch Harrison.

Junior Stroke Play Championship award to me when I was 16. And I said, Mr. Hope, I'd met you before. He goes, I know, you're from St. Louis.

He was nice as hell. I don't know someone. Teed him up for it, but he could have been nicer. And then we had the Andy Williams classic in San Diego, and then the Jackie Gleason, all of these celebrities. Danny, back in the day up at Pebble Beach.

All of these guys just walked around. Clint Eastwood just walked around. Clint Eastwood. Clint Eastwood, I'm like, this is the coolest piece of the game. Did you ask about Dirty Harry?

I didn't. I didn't want to ask him about it. He was just intimidating as hell, you know? When you're out on the golf course, it's kind of like, okay, when you see him walking down the street, He's with his girlfriend. He's a normal dude.

I'm not good at, you know, I'm not that guy. I'll be like. Hey, what's going on? And that's it. You played with 007, though.

How about that? James Bond. Which bond were you playing with? Yeah, Sean Connery.

Okay. The bond. He is Devon. Devon. Devon.

The coolest thing about that, Dee, is we're walking up the Ninth Fairway, and I'm in love with this guy. I mean, this is the coolest. And you and I are sitting at? I was at 18-year-old freshman at UCLA. And you and I are sitting, what, three feet apart right now?

Yeah. We're walking down the ninth fairway in the pitch black. Because it's that late at night, and I said to him, Mr. Connery, do you want to play? And he said, quit calling me though.

He said, James. Sean. James. Sean. Do you want to play the back nine?

He goes, I don't think I could see my ball at all and I go, me neither. I don't care, I don't want this statement. Sure. Yeah, so why would you? He goes, well, why don't you come up and have a drink with me when we're finished?

I'm 18. Like, hell yeah. We're gonna go have a drink with James Bond in the men's grill. And, Danny, we go through this tunnel. Go into an elevator, go up into the men's locker room, and we're walking into this back way into the men's grill.

And these two guys come up to us. And he goes, hey, Steve and George, this is the newest addition. This is Jay Delsing. He's from St. Louis.

He's the newest addition on the UCLA golf team. George and Steve, and I said, Hi, nice to meet you. And they said, You know, Sean, we'll see you later. And we walked around the corner. He goes, You may want to remember those guys.

George Lucas and Steven Spielberg. He said, They're really going to do some neat stuff.

Now, this is 1979, they haven't done anything yet. Is that right? You never told me this. Lucas and Steven Spielberg. Amazing.

And I'm like. What? That's amazing.

Now you reflect on it, you think. What the hell's going on? How did I get here?

So did I get here? You play with Bill Clinton too. Yeah. Swick Willie. He did not know how to count.

You mean his strokes? Correct. Slick Willie. Give me a four. And you had no problem doing that, did you?

Oh, hell, whatever. And then at the end of the thing I remember most at the end of this, it was like somebody interviewed. Mr. President, what did you shoot? 82.

And what was he, what do you think the real score was? 107. Did you bring 100? No way. No way.

Not if you're playing golf. Like, like what you and I do, you count all of your stores. Yes, I try to give you putts, and you're like, I'm not taking it. I'm going to putt it. And if you miss it, you miss it.

What helps my handicap? I know. Well, He had that other handicap. And what did the Trump do? Who's going to tell the president no?

Yeah, that's true. Hit another one. Hit another one. Hit another one. That was the theme of the day.

There were balls flying D every direction. That's Jay Delsing. I'm Dan McLaughlin. We're at Maggie O's on this Sunday morning in downtown St. Louis, coming up later in the show.

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Louis. And we're also presented by Darty Business Solutions. I wanted to throw some news and notes at you. We're going to visit with Eddie McVeigh from Maggie O's. Also, Wes Edwards is coming up as well from the St.

Louis Sports Hall of Fame. But this is a story I love. Ricky Fowler bought his childhood range where his dad worked. His dad used to deliver the sand for maintenance and gravel for the parking lot in exchange to allow his son to hit balls. I think that's one of the great stories.

So, Ricky goes back and buys the range. How cool is that? It's awesome. That is, you know, I got to try to get Ricky back on the show. I talked to his agent, and you know, you've got to jump through a couple hoops here and there, but he'd be great.

He's such a down-to-earth dude. Why do you think he's so liked on the PGA tour? Because he's down-to-earth, he's willing to take the pictures, sign the autographs, and whatnot. Danny, he is relentless when it comes to the kids. And if there's somebody out there, he'll stand there.

If it's an hour and a half, if it's, I've seen it before, and it's just impressive as hell. He's just fantastic. And how great is it to see the resurgence in his game? Yeah, bounce back here. It's so difficult, Deep.

One of the things I'd love to talk to him about, too, is like getting married, having a family, starting a family. You know what that's like. You've got this whole section of your family at home, and then you go on the road and call the Cardinal games. You may not see them for two or three weeks longer. And it just is an entirely different.

Different animal.

So it leads me to this: downtime for a PGA Tour player. And outside of what's happening in the Bahamas this weekend, it really is a downtime on the PGA Tour. What is that like for a player? Like, what do you do? What's Ricky Fowler doing to kind of maybe get the family time, but also making sure that his game stays in shape?

Yeah, everybody's different.

So, one of the things that I did right at the end of every year, Dee, is so weird. I got sick almost at the end of every year. I think you told me that too. At the end of the car, it was now 162. You kind of let your guard down, all of a sudden, you wind up with a cold or some, you know, the flu or something weird.

So, everybody's different. What I did is I would just put my clubs away and I stayed in the gym because I still like that physical, you know, stayed physically fit, and I love that for my mental health. But I put my clubs away for at least a couple weeks, depending on what it looked like. I didn't touch them. And just to blow the cobwebs out of your brain, you know, you just get sick.

So wrapped up in the same stuff every single day, and it's that recurrent thinking, you know, and you're like, what's wrong with my driver? I can't find my driver. But that begs the question, though. Do you sit there and say, all right, this part of my game was not great this past season.

So I am putting my clubs away, but there's my putting, my driver, whatever the case might be, my chipping.

So it's got to be something that you work on. Oh, absolutely.

So what I would do then is I'd take that couple, you know, maybe 10 days off or so and not touch them, and then put a plan together on where my game needed the most work and most attention.

So like you said, you can never, as far as I'm concerned, you can never putt well enough. You can never, no one's ever said, yeah, I made enough putts. Never been sent. Ever. Tiger Woods has never said, and he holds everything.

I never made enough putts. All of us want to make more. I don't care if you're Jack in his prime. When Jack was putting into a trash can, it looked so big, and this ball just disappeared all the time. You can't make enough putts.

And so you're always working. I was always working on my putting, and I was a left aimer. I aimed too far left and kind of cut and pushed my putts. And so I was always working on trying to get that aim better so that I could start a ball on the right. If I wanted to hit a putt on the right edge, ball started on the right edge or very close to that.

So do you think that's the part of the game that most players are working at, or at least they're saying, I'm not taking this time off. I'm going to keep a putter in my hand. Danny, some guys don't ever take any time off. They don't necessarily play, but they're going to go hit balls for two, three hours. They're going to do their fitness for a couple hours.

You know, there's all these teams associated with everything. And so there's a plan in store, and there's very, very little D. Is taken for granted. You know what I mean? There's nothing is left, no stone is left unturned, and they just keep on going.

First time in a long time that we're going to have a mixed. Event, mixed PGA with the LPGA. It's a team event, and this is something that I know you used to compete in, and it's something you really enjoyed. I really did. I'm glad it's back.

Danny, it's so fun. I used to, I never got to play with her as my partner, but Julie Ingster is one of my favorite humans on a planet. And you looked at me after the show. We had her on the show. Yeah, after she was on the show, and you looked at me and said, Wow.

You know, just some of the comments off air. Just, this is such a cool human being. And so it's fun to get to know those gals, to get to know what they're going through, to know what they're up against out on the LPGA tour. It's a lot of fun. Team event.

So how will that work, you think, for what they're trying to accomplish? Oh, well, I think it's just more exposure. I think it really helps the women's tour more than it helps us, just to bring them up a little bit and play with the men and get some more attention. And look, geez, these women are playing great golf. Their swings are impressive to watch.

We've said this a hundred times. Might as well go ahead and say it again. Folks, you want to get better. It is much more relatable to watch the LPGA player swing. Their technique and form and rhythm is spectacular.

No surprise here. Luke Donald named the captain in the Ryder Cup for the Euros. That'll be in a couple years in New York. No surprise whatsoever. How about that?

We're going to have to get him back on again. He's been doing it? Oh, my gosh. Danny, we've been texting him, saying some things on Twitter or X, whatever the hell we call it now. And he's just got a great sense of humor.

We got him last year on the show, but it was a little close to the event. It was about a month away or so? It was actually 30 days out. Yeah, it was like 30 days out. And so he was a little bit reserved, but he's got a great sense of humor.

He's really a good guy. And why, if you're the Euros, why wouldn't you want him back on? I can understand why he was reserved because there's pressure. I mean, there's so much pressure, and I think especially on the European captain. Not to say that there wasn't pressure on the Americans, but man, to be the European captain, there is so much pressure in that job.

Yeah, absolutely. And look, they haven't lost on home soil in 30 years. You do not want your name next to the guy that gave that up. No way. Eddie McVay is coming up.

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Let's get back to Jay and Dan. Golf of Jay Delsing rolls on on a Sunday morning on 101 ESPN. A little later in the show, we visit with Wes Edwards from the St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame. We've already had Derek Gould on, and we've gone through some of the news and notes around the PGA tour.

But let's welcome in from Maggie O's, the owner and proprietor of Maggie O'S, Eddie McVay. Great to be with you, Eddie. I really appreciate it. I'm sure Jay filled you in briefly, but they have it, baby. They love it.

The Delsing McVay family go way back, so this is kind of a cool little collaboration between us when Jay reached out. I was excited to do this, and then, of course, really cool that you're part of it too, Dan.

So, this is really cool. Thank you for being down here. You bet. Oh, Eddie, when I think about what I must have done to your dad from watching my career. The ups and the downs.

You guys had to swear at me on Sundays or Monday. I think I told you, I think I was 30 before I realized my Uncle Duke wasn't a president, Bobby Rooney wasn't better than Pele, and that you weren't better than Tiger Woods. Because in my family, buddy, you were loyal to the core. My dad was old. He followed you.

My family, we followed you every week, you know, and we enjoyed it so much, you know. But we really did it. What great memories for us. But my dad was so proud of you. And he was a good friend, everybody wouldn't know this, but he was a good friend.

Came from the same neighborhood, Glasgow Village up. north. And he was good friends with your father. And so that meant a lot to him. And we really enjoyed following you all those years.

I always wanted to go to the McVay house because there was always a game going. Yeah, there's 11 of us. I'm the family there. We always had a game going. It was so much fun.

So you was a blast. It's just a good Catholic family. All of you good old Irish Catholics. You better believe it. And I'm talking to kind of Catholics like when you went to Mass, you didn't just get to bring home the bulletin because he'd ask you, well, yeah, I know you got the bulletin.

What was the homily about? Dan, don't ask me that. Come on. No kidding. This place is remarkable.

We're at the downtown location on a Sunday morning, and you just had the blues game on Thursday. You're here with City, you got baseball. But you redid this whole facility. Tell us about the facility and what you've done.

So, Dan, the Maggie's has been here since 1979. Original owner was Harry Belli. My brother Pat worked for him forever. I park cars here and bus tables here forever growing up. And we bought it from him.

I guess we're right almost to 20 years now. And since I've lost my brother, but it's me now. But it was just the old school. Everybody knew Maggie O'Brien's. Man, if you're from St.

Louis, you had a Maggie O'Brien story. Everybody kind of knew it. But when I found out, they kept switching where they were going to put this stadium. And we always did wonderful with the Cardinals. Just a good crowd.

Nothing great, but good. You know, we shuttle everybody to everything. Any concerts, of course, the Blues. I would argue that we're probably the biggest blues bar in St. Louis before and after blues games.

So we always did well with that. But Dan, when they said they were finally agreed that they were putting this soccer street at market and this soccer stadium at market and 20th, and I'm at market and 20th. I just finally said, you know, I went to the bank and said, hey, let's do this. Yeah, they couldn't wait to get me buried. Oh, Eddie, this is so spectacular.

Thank you. I mean, the TVs and the atmosphere, the people working here are so friendly. Thank you. I told Danny, coming down here, best. Ruben sandwich I've ever had.

Well, thank you for saying that. I do really appreciate it. And really, the whole idea was when we did it, open it up a little bit more for the flow of not only the customer getting through, the employees getting through, that kind of thing. And to be able to, I made the bar so much bigger for the very simple fact that I always knew we could do bigger numbers if more people could get to it. It was just, so by being able to do that, that's really helped overall.

And during soccer games, it is just like, it's almost like St. Patrick's Day in here every game, and everybody's rooting hard. And then the same thing for Blues, Cardinals, and anything going on downtown. If it's a concert, whatever it is, we tend to do well. And then, of course, we have the other location there in Sunset Hills, right off of South Lindbergh.

We'll get out there. We'll put our two butts over in a chip over there. We'll do one of these shows on a Sunday morning over there, too. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, man, we appreciate you guys being out.

And it's gone well so far, but you know how it is, guys. I always feel like you're one day away from making that wrong decision and you're back to square one.

So I'm very blessed, very lucky, keep trying to work hard and hope for the best. We mentioned this place is big. How much square footage do you have here? We're down here on this first level, Danny. We're right at about 9,600 square feet.

Wow. And of that, you know, you got that does include some of the kitchen, and the kitchen's big too. But, Dan, if I showed you what this place looked like, like when I talk about the facilities for the worker before to what it is now, I mean, it was night and day. The size of our walk-in coolers now and our free stuff that a guy that comes in to get a sandwich and a beer would never think about. But it makes such a difference in what we're able to do, how fast we're able to do it, how quick we can get to things, and all the equipment behind the bar.

Everything's brand spanking new.

So it's been wonderful because believe me, this place has been open seven days a week till 3 a.m. for a long time. That's a lot of late nights and early mornings beating up equipment and stuff.

So it was time. That really wasn't, there wasn't any sort of significant upgrade, Eddie, since you've been around until. then right? I really do think this, it can be kind of people can get down on some St. Louis, and I can be one of them sometimes, but you really stop and think about it over the years, ever since they got to the arch grounds and redid that, and then headed down further, like with Soldiers Memorial, Keener Plaza, and then Union Station when he Laughlin bought that and has changed that and made that nice over there.

And then, of course, the soccer stadium. I mean, it's really kind of moved in this direction, and it is some positive things with all of that. And I think it's, you know, it's a credit to St. Louis, and we should be proud of it.

So, what is your message then to people that wonder about downtown? And should I go there and make a stop before a game? What would be your message? Because, you know, there can be some things that people are worried about if they come down. There's no doubt about it.

And I'll speak for myself. My location here with Maggies is we try our very best. Everything is lit. You can see us from the moon. We're lit all the way.

Around, I've got cameras in every direction. Typically, I have security out depending on the days and whatever, but in general, Like most things, you guys, this is how I feel about it. If you're on this main strip where you're hearing that action and stuff, there's people, there's things going on. You know, I'd feel very comfortable in saying, Come do that. I just think it's when you get in those secluded areas and stuff, and maybe not a lot of people are around.

You can get a little sketchy, a little questionable about how you feel and stuff. But I will say this to the day my big ass goes underneath. I'm from St. Louis, and I'm proud to be from St. Louis.

And I will never ever not say that. I'm a St. Louis boy born and raised, and I'm proud to own a bar right in the heart of this city.

So take that, whoever don't like it. Yeah, I love it. I love it. Eddie, to your point, this west corridor from the Arch on out west. You know, my brother, my family's been in soccer, like your family have been in soccer forever, but this stadium is state of the art.

Dan just looked at my body when Jay said that, by the way. Yes, Dan, way back when, way back when. But I mean, this stadium is state of the art. We were talking about this as we drove in. that they are copying the concept for having all the training and everything right on campus here.

I've heard, and I don't know because I'm certainly not in the know in the soccer community world, whatever. But I've heard there's literal consideration for the U.S. team to consider having their training. I don't know what our weather does to that. That is maybe a little bit of a curve.

But because it's all so enclosing and because it's so top-notch, there are rumblings of that, and that has to tell you right there. I will tell you this: I don't know if both of you have been over there or not. I do have lucky enough to have season tickets, and I wanted them to make sure they knew, hey, I'm supporting you, too, you know, just for sure. They left no stone unturned over there, you guys. I mean it.

I mean, what a, and you know, both, and the other thing, two St. Louis families. The Taylor family, you mentioned, you know, Soldiers Memorial, the Arch Crown Fronts, the area around the park forever. They've done so much. They're front and center with everything.

You know what it reminds you of is the old days with Anheuser-Busch. Absolutely. It is. If we're going to do something in St. Louis, they're going to be part of it.

And you have to appreciate it. I've said it so many times in so many interviews about, hey, what do you think from the very beginning when they didn't even break ground yet? I've talked on it. And you have to thank those families. They could open up.

They could be anywhere they wanted to be. And they stayed at home. And you got to appreciate that. The little guy, Eddie McVay, appreciates it. I'll tell you that.

Eddie, what are your hours down here for fans that want to come down? Shuttles to and from games, all those things that you do.

Okay, briefly, for the downtown location, we will shuttle everything down here. Typically, when I say that, there might be. I should say this, not to City, though, because you're really going to walk across the street. Only guys that look like me will take that shuttle straight across. No, but yeah, Blues, Cardinals, any of the concerts, even if it's at Bush Stadium or the dome, we shuttle to all of that stuff.

And we do have a 3 a.m. license. We typically just utilize that on Fridays and Saturday nights. We do a lot of late-night business with weddings that get done and stuff like that. We'll get them in the middle of the day.

You know what we are, really, you guys? I really mean this: come in here on a Saturday, or a Friday afternoon at Happy Hour. You'll be sitting next to a guy that just got done working on the highway, who's sitting next to a lawyer, who's sitting next to a secretary. You're just that you're in an everyday bar that everybody feels comfortable to.

So we do do 3 a.m.s on the weekends when needed. The rest of the week, we're till 1:30, like most bars. And then the Sunset Hills location is the 1-1:30 time. Thanks for what you're doing. It's great that you're here.

Here in St. Louis, so thank you for doing that. Thank you, Dan. I appreciate it very much. And, guys, I really mean this.

Thank you kindly for being here. I look forward to our relationship here moving forward. Absolutely. I can't thank you enough, you know, and it's cool to be with you guys. It's phenomenal to have someone like Maggie O's associated with the show.

Like you said, it's been as long as I can remember being. Wanting to come downtown and have a cocktail, this has always been the place. Right on. I appreciate that. Please come down and see us, you guys, seven days a week.

Open up at 11 a.m. We love you for lunch, happy hour. Any of your private parties, any of your to-go foods, we do it all. We'll cater to you. You name it, we'll do it.

Just give us a call. And I look forward to seeing you all down here. I'm the fat guy at the end of the bar, usually got a cocktail in front of me. I'd be smoking a cigar if they'd let me, but they won't let me do that. Hey, real quickly, how did COVID affect business and did it change what you did as a business?

Yeah, COVID affected it big time. And I'll speak for probably a lot of the guys that do what I do, but I mean, everybody. Danny, the craziest part of that was typically what I learned in doing this, because I really feel like in this business and probably a lot of businesses, you just throw stuff against the wall, see what sticks, and then you go with it. If you don't, maybe I call you and say, hey, Dan, when your dad used to this or your mom used to do that, or Jay, when your dad was pitching, or are playing in the big leagues. You had somebody to call that maybe already did it, and your son was trying to do it.

When COVID hit, there was nobody to call. Like all of us, all these, you know, I know all the bar by now, all the bar and restaurant owners, you know, most of us all talk semi-regular or meet and see each other. Nobody knew, we were all looking at each other like, what the hell are we going to do? We didn't know. I mean, we literally did not know.

So that was the big effect. Who do you call to even get advice? And then you just kind of rolled with it. Then they basically shut you down. Then it was 25%.

Then it was 50%. Then back to 25. But now you got to put things up between you.

So then it was like you had to spend money to not make, you can't stay open on 25%. Much less they made you spend money on separators and stuff. Point being is I don't even think the people making the rules knew what to do. Everybody was trying to figure it out. We went along with it, and we got through it, thank God.

And I know a lot of people didn't. At that time, was when you better have ran your place, whatever you were in, I think, correctly all the way up until that point, because that was when the proof was in a pudding. And if you hadn't, you know, you needed those banks to know they're going to back you and stuff, you know.

So it was tough, but I'm happy we got through it. And hopefully we never do it again. Eddie, thank you. Thanks for everything you're doing downtown. Thank you guys very much.

I appreciate you being here. And Dan, you know what? You're a way better looking at person, I gotta say. Good to see you, boys. Thanks for being here, fellas.

Check is in the mail, Eddie. Go Irish. That's Eddie McDonald. Bay, Maggie O's, golf with Jay Delsing. That was fun.

Fun to visit with Eddie. What a great character, what a great guy. Absolutely. That's what this is all about. This is what's so fun about having someone like Eddie involved in the show.

This is a character. This is also a guy that cares deeply about community and family, and he's just fun. I tell you, he mentioned the Taylor family, we all did. And we're looking outside now through the glass windows on this Sunday morning. And that stadium, if you haven't been down here, is just spectacular from the outside.

I know what the reactions have been on the inside, but when you look at it from the outside, it adds to St. Louis like none other, man. It's spectacular. No doubt, and it's such a feather in our cap. And you're going to hate what I'm going to say next, but I'm saying it anyway.

There is A huge chance that had you not been able to go in front of that board of aldermen and tell them to pay attention. You know this is true, you're a humble ass guy, but you know this is true. And you said, I need you to listen to me. I watched you do this, I don't know how many times on YouTube and everything else, and you said, if you're going to say no to these families, this, this, This group, who are you going to say yes to? And you said, look up, please, put your phones down.

Listen to me. And that was, in my opinion, a turning point and crucial to get that vote to go the correct way.

Well, I appreciate that. Is that not true, though? I mean, you've had a lot of people tell you that, and you got up there relatively unscripted and dropped. the bomb that made people pay attention. And I gotta tell you, Dee.

It's hard to imagine, as well as Carolyn and the Taylor family has done this, that this thing almost didn't happen. It almost didn't happen, and we were driving down here and traffic was non-existent because it's Sunday morning, but you could see from the highway, we were going down Highway 40, and you could see all the construction that had taken place. And you touched upon it, all the youth that now has a chance to play for City, the development, and pretty soon we're going to have multiple kids playing MLS and overseas because of what's happened here with. EPL, there's no telling what. And Danny, how about when we made the turn, we got off of 40, went over the overpass, the new overpass at 22nd Street, and we both looked to our right, and we got that youth.

There's probably four games going on in that little turfed field over there with the little pup goals. And it's just amazing. And it does, I mean, I just reminded me that you had such a huge part of it. And you'll never bring it up, but it's true, folks. Check it out.

It is. It's on YouTube. It's on YouTube. Check it out. It is one hell of a speech.

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Okay, this is going to be open for debate. You're going to make some people happy. You're going to make some people sad and mad. But your top five courses, public courses to play St. Louis, Metro St.

Louis area. What do you got?

Okay, so I'm going to start on the east side. And I'm going to go. Is this in any particular order? No, we're just going to go top five. Yep, top five.

Okay. Ann Breyer, which is. I love Ann Breyer. Ann Briar's a great track. If you haven't gone and played Ann Briar, it is fantastic.

And then I'm going with Gateway. And Gateway has. Acres and acres of bent grass, fairways, and surrounds, and everything. It is, it's, it's, there's only. I know they're redoing Foxrun right now.

Mr. Budrovich is redoing that.

So I'm not sure what they're going to do grass-wise there, but right now, we'll leave Foxrun out of the equation. But right now, St. Louis Country Club. and Gateway are the only two all Um Ben Grass. Ben Grass.

Fox Run used to be, but I think they're redoing that. And then, Danny, when we go on the. the St. Louis side. We're going to throw one, the Lynx of Darden, out in St.

Charles. You really got to check it out if you haven't seen it. It's a cute, fun little golf course to play. Um the bluffs. has had a Nike event there.

The bluffs is a really, really good layout. Really good layout. And then lastly, I'm going to say this is probably... One of my favorite public courses to play is Aberdeen. When I go to Aberdeen, I just like, it reminds me of Scotland a little bit.

Dee, there's always the heather, there's always the wind is blowing a little bit, and you get the ripple effect on the fescue and stuff out there. It's really super cool. And so there's so